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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great tip about Google alerts.  Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Previously, on Corporette&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Previously, on Corporette&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 10 Things: About the Art of Saying Goodbye [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Law School Advice &#171; No 634</title>
		<link>http://corporette.com/2008/07/31/10-things-about-the-art-of-saying-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>Law School Advice &#171; No 634</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 01:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  The art of saying goodbye: As the summer dwindles for summer classes of future MBAs and JDs, we thought we’d give some advice on how to say goodbye (and hello). (here&#8217;s the advice). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  The art of saying goodbye: As the summer dwindles for summer classes of future MBAs and JDs, we thought we’d give some advice on how to say goodbye (and hello). (here&#8217;s the advice). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://corporette.com/2008/07/31/10-things-about-the-art-of-saying-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-365</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think comment #5 is BS.  Linked In is a way to make contacts with colleagues, superiors or not.  Linked is professional with a brief resume... not facebook with frat party pics.  It is perfectly acceptable to stay connected with superiors on linked in.  It&#039;s better than poking them on facebook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think comment #5 is BS.  Linked In is a way to make contacts with colleagues, superiors or not.  Linked is professional with a brief resume&#8230; not facebook with frat party pics.  It is perfectly acceptable to stay connected with superiors on linked in.  It&#8217;s better than poking them on facebook.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://corporette.com/2008/07/31/10-things-about-the-art-of-saying-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob&#039;s insistence that recruiting has no impact on hiring, and that &quot;any firm of any standing gives 100% offers&quot; (whatever the heck that means) is short-sighted.

If all the attorneys like a SA, but the recruiting staff doesn&#039;t, then correct, the recruiter&#039;s opinion isn&#039;t going to result in a no offer.  But recruiting staff members have more day to day contact with summers than almost any attorney does.  And at any firm with a halfway decent summer program, those recruiting staff members will be reporting to attorneys who head the summer program and the hiring committee.  They&#039;re a filter, and they can shape how the attorneys perceive that SA.  In sum, be courteous and professional to everyone, not only because your job may depend upon it, but also because it&#039;s the right thing to do.

As for this sentiment that good firms give 100% offers... Nonsense.  Some do, but most firms don&#039;t give 100% offers, especially this year.  Any many of the firms that say they gave 100% offers included some &quot;soft/cold offers&quot; in that tally to help their numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob&#8217;s insistence that recruiting has no impact on hiring, and that &#8220;any firm of any standing gives 100% offers&#8221; (whatever the heck that means) is short-sighted.</p>
<p>If all the attorneys like a SA, but the recruiting staff doesn&#8217;t, then correct, the recruiter&#8217;s opinion isn&#8217;t going to result in a no offer.  But recruiting staff members have more day to day contact with summers than almost any attorney does.  And at any firm with a halfway decent summer program, those recruiting staff members will be reporting to attorneys who head the summer program and the hiring committee.  They&#8217;re a filter, and they can shape how the attorneys perceive that SA.  In sum, be courteous and professional to everyone, not only because your job may depend upon it, but also because it&#8217;s the right thing to do.</p>
<p>As for this sentiment that good firms give 100% offers&#8230; Nonsense.  Some do, but most firms don&#8217;t give 100% offers, especially this year.  Any many of the firms that say they gave 100% offers included some &#8220;soft/cold offers&#8221; in that tally to help their numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, recruiting has a huge amount of contact with you once you join.  You&#039;re going to be asked to do nice things for them, like take Summers and Callbacks to lunch.  You&#039;re going to be put on the recruiting website, which entails getting your photo taken at an inconvenient or a convenient time; ditto for the interview hit-list.  You might be sent to schools you&#039;re not interested in to read resumes of kids you&#039;re not interested in in order to satisfy the curiosity of the hiring partner.  Recruiters have a lot of pull; not so much for whether you get the offer, but for what the non-billables look like when you do.

The point of this is to ingratiate yourself.  You write thank-you notes to your interviewers as a callback because it&#039;s the right thing to do: not because they&#039;re just doing their job, but because that&#039;s what gentlemen do.  Since when was etiquette all about social gain: it&#039;s what you do because THAT&#039;S WHAT POLITE PEOPLE DO.

And you just made $3,000 / week.  The &quot;save your cash&quot; attitude when thinking about a $25 gift-card makes you out to be an ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, recruiting has a huge amount of contact with you once you join.  You&#8217;re going to be asked to do nice things for them, like take Summers and Callbacks to lunch.  You&#8217;re going to be put on the recruiting website, which entails getting your photo taken at an inconvenient or a convenient time; ditto for the interview hit-list.  You might be sent to schools you&#8217;re not interested in to read resumes of kids you&#8217;re not interested in in order to satisfy the curiosity of the hiring partner.  Recruiters have a lot of pull; not so much for whether you get the offer, but for what the non-billables look like when you do.</p>
<p>The point of this is to ingratiate yourself.  You write thank-you notes to your interviewers as a callback because it&#8217;s the right thing to do: not because they&#8217;re just doing their job, but because that&#8217;s what gentlemen do.  Since when was etiquette all about social gain: it&#8217;s what you do because THAT&#8217;S WHAT POLITE PEOPLE DO.</p>
<p>And you just made $3,000 / week.  The &#8220;save your cash&#8221; attitude when thinking about a $25 gift-card makes you out to be an ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://corporette.com/2008/07/31/10-things-about-the-art-of-saying-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;While they may not have input as to whether you get an offer, more likely than not, you will be assigned the same support staff when you come back.&quot;

Highly unlikely. But secretaries gossip, so a little hush gift may be reasonable.

&quot;They don’t have direct input, either, but if you alienate them throughout the summer they can affect whether you get an offer by what sort of gossip they allow to be spread about you,...&quot;

A law firm of any standing gives 100% offers. You don&#039;t need to bribe recruiting for doing their job (esp. considering they will have 0% contact with you once you join).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While they may not have input as to whether you get an offer, more likely than not, you will be assigned the same support staff when you come back.&#8221;</p>
<p>Highly unlikely. But secretaries gossip, so a little hush gift may be reasonable.</p>
<p>&#8220;They don’t have direct input, either, but if you alienate them throughout the summer they can affect whether you get an offer by what sort of gossip they allow to be spread about you,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>A law firm of any standing gives 100% offers. You don&#8217;t need to bribe recruiting for doing their job (esp. considering they will have 0% contact with you once you join).</p>
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		<title>By: sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...how about just giving the secretaries a parting gift because they were your secretaries? They likely did alot of your bitchwork. Its the right thing to do- who cares what input they have?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;how about just giving the secretaries a parting gift because they were your secretaries? They likely did alot of your bitchwork. Its the right thing to do- who cares what input they have?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF?  Linked in is more serious than Myspace or Facebook?  This is the first I hear of this.  When did these protocols go into effect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF?  Linked in is more serious than Myspace or Facebook?  This is the first I hear of this.  When did these protocols go into effect?</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
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		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: secretaries and recruiting staff, there are actually two different lines of reasoning here.

Secretaries have absolutely no input into your offer, and do not have the ear of anyone higher than them.  It&#039;s also highly unlikely that they actually did anything to be truly helpful to you over the summer.  They WILL, however, gossip about you when you leave, and if everyone else got flowers and they did not, your name will be mud when you return (even if you get someone else).  And one of the most important things you learn is thus: do not alienate the support staff.  Furthermore, if everyone&#039;s secretaries&#039; get flowers and yours does not, it will be a visual cue to the rest of the firm that all the summers who had that secretary were a) unorganized and/or b) cheap and/or c) so self-important they couldn&#039;t spend $25 on support staff.

With the recruiting staff, it&#039;s much different.  They don&#039;t have direct input, either, but if you alienate them throughout the summer they can affect whether you get an offer by what sort of gossip they allow to be spread about you, as well as what kind of work you get and who you get to meet.  But that&#039;s all played out already by the end of the summer.  The reason you get the recruiting staff a spa gift is because with 30-60 summers at a firm, just a few bucks ($10? $15?) goes a long way to showing your appreciation and everyone going in for a spa gift.  And while you may not realize it now, the summer is the social life of the firm -- the parties, the plays, the restaurants that you took for granted this summer are valued treats that are doled out to the deserving associates when you come back.  Those deserving associates not only get to have fun with the summers and take roles of responsibilities, you get to mingle in a social way with partners and senior associates, when is a much more rare event when you&#039;re actually working at the firm.  So is THAT worth $10?  Is that worth a five minute effort to write a thank-you note and do what you ought to be doing ANYWAY in life, being a gracious and polite person?  You bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: secretaries and recruiting staff, there are actually two different lines of reasoning here.</p>
<p>Secretaries have absolutely no input into your offer, and do not have the ear of anyone higher than them.  It&#8217;s also highly unlikely that they actually did anything to be truly helpful to you over the summer.  They WILL, however, gossip about you when you leave, and if everyone else got flowers and they did not, your name will be mud when you return (even if you get someone else).  And one of the most important things you learn is thus: do not alienate the support staff.  Furthermore, if everyone&#8217;s secretaries&#8217; get flowers and yours does not, it will be a visual cue to the rest of the firm that all the summers who had that secretary were a) unorganized and/or b) cheap and/or c) so self-important they couldn&#8217;t spend $25 on support staff.</p>
<p>With the recruiting staff, it&#8217;s much different.  They don&#8217;t have direct input, either, but if you alienate them throughout the summer they can affect whether you get an offer by what sort of gossip they allow to be spread about you, as well as what kind of work you get and who you get to meet.  But that&#8217;s all played out already by the end of the summer.  The reason you get the recruiting staff a spa gift is because with 30-60 summers at a firm, just a few bucks ($10? $15?) goes a long way to showing your appreciation and everyone going in for a spa gift.  And while you may not realize it now, the summer is the social life of the firm &#8212; the parties, the plays, the restaurants that you took for granted this summer are valued treats that are doled out to the deserving associates when you come back.  Those deserving associates not only get to have fun with the summers and take roles of responsibilities, you get to mingle in a social way with partners and senior associates, when is a much more rare event when you&#8217;re actually working at the firm.  So is THAT worth $10?  Is that worth a five minute effort to write a thank-you note and do what you ought to be doing ANYWAY in life, being a gracious and polite person?  You bet.</p>
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