May 2009

Reader Mail: How “covered” must your arms be?

by C May 12, 2009 Business Etiquette

Today’s reader mail comes from someone curious about the “no bare arms” rule…

I’m soon going to be a summer associate at a relatively conservative NYC law firm (not business formal, but a notch below), and I was wondering what you specifically mean by “no bare arms.” While I’m obviously not going to go sleeveless, can I be seen outside my cube in a short-sleeved dress w/o throwing on a cardigan? Like this? Will partners look askance at a 3/4 sleeve cardigan? Do I simply need to cover my elbows?

As far as we know, the traditional rule was always that short sleeves are fine — the elbows can be showing. There is no problem with a 3/4 cardigan or even a short-sleeved blouse (like the one we featured today).

Stepping away from that particular reader’s query… we were thinking about this the other day — why this rule still exists, in this day and age. Michelle Obama appears on cover after cover wearing strapless dresses and people think, that looks totally work appropriate! And on her, it does. And there lies the rub, we think. The basis of many rules in corporate fashion is about the lowest common denominator. The no-bare-arm rule exists because it’s gauche to say no-bare-arms-unless-you-have-amazing-triceps-and-deltoids. Who would judge?* Another basis for a lot of these rules is whether a man could wear it. If you saw your male, 55-year-old boss in a short-sleeved polo or a t-shirt, you probably wouldn’t think much of it — put him in a wife beater and you’d be stuck thinking “ohmygodohmygodohmygod just act normal.” This is not to say that if you DO have Michelle Obama arms, that you’re the exception and you get to wear sleeveless dresses — but rather to explain why you cannot; you do not set the standards and you are best advised to adhere to the standards set by others. (At least until you’re the boss, at which time you can choose which rules to break.) Are the rules stupid? Well, maybe, particularly if you and your trainer have spent hours on those arms. But this is the choice that young women entering corporate America are faced with: which is more important, your career — even if it means following stupid rules — or your vanity?

* Wow, lots of reader comments, and so we’ve edited the text a bit to remove our suggestion that you might not want to see your boss’s arms if she had anything but the leanest body. Lots of interesting questions that we’ve unwittingly stirred up, though — does the rule try to avoid sizeism, or does it perpetuate it? Is our hypothesis for why the rule exists totally off base?

Just our $.02 — readers, please weigh in.

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Tuesday’s TPS Report: Marc by Marc Jacobs’s Swiss Dot Voile Top

by C May 12, 2009 Fashion

Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices. We begin the week in splurge mode, with our most expensive suggestions, and wind our way to Friday, where a less expensive item of clothing might be just what you need to make it to the weekend.


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iconWe like this great black blouse by Marc by Marc Jacobs for today’s TPS. We’re loving the tiny swiss dot pattern and the tonal trim on the placket — we even like the Peter Pan collar. We’d wear it with gray slacks and colorful pumps (red, yellow, purple) or perhaps beneath a beige suit. Available at Nordstrom’s for $178. MARC BY MARC JACOBS Swiss Dot Voile Top
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Splurge Monday’s TPS Report: Just Cavalli’s Black Dress

by C May 11, 2009 Fashion

Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices. We begin the week in splurge mode, with our most expensive suggestions, and wind our way to Friday, where a less expensive item of clothing might be just what you need to make it to the weekend.

Just Cavalli - TO640347854900 Dress (Black) - ApparelFor today’s splurge, we’re loving this fitted dress from Just Cavalli. We like the high neckline and its flattering keyhole; we also lurve the wide, fitted waist accented with the thin belt. We’d wear it with black pumps and a cardigan or blazer for the office, and with strappy sandals and a wrap for a night out on the town with friends. It’s marked 20% off at the moment, also, bringing it to $639 at Zappos.com (was $799). Just Cavalli – TO640347854900 Dress (Black) – Apparel

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Weekly Roundup

by C May 8, 2009 Fashion

Liking these posts? Follow Corporette on Twitter — this is the edited version of what we’re reading! (We also Tweet if we hear about a good sale.

- Our new Solicitor General, former Harvard Law dean Elena Kagan, is fine with being called “General” but is still pondering what to wear for her first argument. [Law.com] Of course, she might not be SG for very long, what with Souter retiring — but then again, some people think that Kagan or other potential nominees wouldn’t be good fits because they’re overweight. Yes, seriously. [Jezebel]

- The WSJ advises mothers on how to get their daughters to dress appropriately for their first jobs. Duh, send them to Corporette! [WSJ]

- If you travel a lot, a variety of networks exist to help you both network but also to enjoy the sights during your travels. [NYT]

- Interesting article on the difference between MBAs and entrepreneurs. [Business Week]

- Everything you need to know about personal finance on one page. [The Simple Dollar]

- Greatarticle on how to eat well without thinking. Our favorite tip: eat dessert. [Women's Health]

- How to recycle your shoes, electronics, and more. [Wise Bread]

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Bargain Friday’s TPS Report: Ann Taylor’s Ruffle Ponte Wrap Dress

by C May 8, 2009 Fashion

Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices. We begin the week in splurge mode, with our most expensive suggestions, and wind our way to Friday, where a less expensive item of clothing might be just what you need to make it to the weekend.

Ann Taylor is having a great sale for Mother’s Day — 25% off all items (through 5/10). Which means that lovely, basic dresses like this one go from being marked down to being a serious steal. This one is your basic wrap, with some not-too-frilly ruffles around the neckline. We like the wideness of the belt (it’ll probably smooth out any imperfections) and the inset waistband at the back. Was $129, marked to $59; use code MOTHERSDAY to bring it down to $44. Ruffle Ponte Wrap Dress

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Reader Mail: Can I Wear a Longer Skirt to an Important Court Appearance?

by C May 7, 2009 Fashion

We’ve been thinking about this question since we first read it…

I have an important court appearance coming up. I will be arguing an appeal on a fairly significant issue. I have been wearing pants for years to trial. But are they appropriate before the more conservative court of appeals? Also, I have terrible legs (calves and ankles mainly ). Got them from my mom. I have always been insecure about them (thus the pants). Are there any suits out there with longer skirts. I don’t ever see them anymore. Are such skirts hopelessly out of style?

Obviously, long skirts had their heyday a while ago (we’re guessing at least 15 years) — but we remember thinking it was very chic when a friend of ours in law school wore a suit with one (about seven years ago, admittedly). In fact, the only skirt suit we could find that looked vaguely acceptable was this Austin Reed skirt suit, available at Overstock.com (size 4 only). If you have a longer skirt suit, or you can find one, we’d say go ahead and wear it if you’re comfortable in it — the people who really care whether you’re in a skirt suit will be sated by the longer skirt, and the people who don’t care what you wear — well, they won’t care. And you, you’ll be comfortable.

Otherwise… you’re in a tough spot. Obviously, appellate judges should be intelligent enough to see past a pantsuit (gasp!) and listen to the merits of an argument. But, then again, we know of at least one federal judge — blind! — who made his clerks tell him if a woman lawyer was wearing a skirt suit or not when she appeared before him. That’s how important it was to him. So, regrettably, our advice to you is that if your gut is telling you to wear a skirt suit, then wear a skirt suit — after all, you are an advocate for a client and this issue is bigger than you. And it’s only one day (not even the whole day!) and, hopefully, you can find a suit that has both pants, a skirt, and a jacket, so the purchase isn’t a total bust.

Readers — if you have any different advice, please weigh in. (Or, if you’ve seen any long skirt suits, please let us know!)

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