Weekend Open Thread

Steven – MelaneeSomething on your mind? Chat about it here.

Admittedly, I am late to the brogue/oxford party — they’ve been in stores for more than a year and a half, and so many chic New Yorkers wear them all the time with skirts and dresses. Yet I’m still hesitant about them for a conservative office — hence my weekend recommendation. I like that they have a higher vamp than flats, making them easier to walk in, and I think they can look amazing with tights. This pair from Steven is on sale today at Zappos — was $99, now $68.77 (available in black, brown, and olive leather).  Steven – Melanee (Black Leather) – Footwear

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  1. I saw these online the other day at JCrew and think they are darling ..


    • Anonymous :

      Really like these! Unfortunately, every pair of flats I’ve ordered from JCrew has gone back to JCrew – they never fit right (too wide, strange toe box, I can feel the texture of my carpet through the paper-thin sole, etc. etc)

    • soulfusion :


    • I love those!

  2. Sigh. I just lost my temper and snapped at my boss (deserved, I think, but still). Now I’m half mad at myself because I lost control, and I’m half mad at myself because I got my control back before I got it all out there and I really want to finish my tirade. There are some things that need to be said to the partners here that I’ve tried to bring up in diplomatic ways to no avail, and I need to be more direct in the future, but yelling at them isn’t going to help anything.

    • What was the nature of the snap? I know folks will probably heartily disagree with me, but I have actually found that with *some* managers, and *some* situations, saying something rather sharply when all other options are exhausted can actually be productive. I’m almost always working with all men, and I actually think I’ve earned respect this way–and also solved some problems that otherwise weren’t going anywhere. Obviously no raised voice, no personal attacks, no blanket statements like “this sucks” or “I’m angry” or “I hate working with you.” Come to think of it, no show of emotion. Just a contained, blunt statement addressing a specific issue.

      • The gist was that we need more help and my coming in on weekends isn’t going to do it. And I said that it was bs that our paralegal hasn’t had a lunch break in months PLUS works even longer hours than I do and that she needs help even more than me. If nothing else, maybe she’ll get a lunch out of the deal. Sometimes I feel like you need to whomp them in the head with a 2X4 to get them to wake up and pay attention.

        • No advice… but I did the same thing this week. I’m waiting to hear from several interviews (as you girls now because I’ve been whining non-stop) and so ready to give notice that I just found myself talking without thining first. Can’t hurt to have them know that you’re unhappy though…

        • I have to say, Anon, it sounds like your snap was the kind I was talking about. I.e., might not have been a mistake at all. Feel good about having taken the risk on behalf of someone junior to you, too. If something ugly comes of it, then lesson learned–but otherwise it sounds ok.

          • Thanks for the reassurance. If I’d continued, it probably wouldn’t have been the right kind. Oh well, I am trying to get out of here, anyway. Like Hopeful, I’m so ready to give notice. Just need to find another position first.

        • Beginning to think maybe I need to have a similar snap…

      • I agree with Monday that sometimes that works. Also, from discussions with my husband (who works as a manager in a mostly male retail store), I think that that is particularly true for men, even if they don’t realize it at the time, they hear it and remember it later.

      • I agree that sometimes the best way to get respect is to lose our temper. Men get that, for some reason. On the other hand, when it happens monthly due to hormones, it is not so good at all!

    • I started a new job 6 weeks ago and had a similar heated discussion with my new boss last week. I knew I hadn’t handled the discussion well, but I knew I was too upset to address it that day. Late that night, I asked him to have lunch with me the next day and was better able to articulate my frustrations after a good night’s sleep. It actually worked out great. Cleared the air, set us on a good path, and he now understands that I will be blunt (not rude) and expect the same in return.

  3. When is it okay to start wearing white pants and skirts to the office? Do I really have to wait until after Memorial Day or are those rules outdated?

    • Corporate Tool :

      It depends on your office culture, and how conservative it is. But the current trend is wearing white as soon as it is warm enough to warrant it.

    • I have some coworkers who will go on about how horrible it is, but for the most part people think it’s fine to wear white as long as it’s warm enough to do so. My thoughts are that it’s already almost 90 out so I should be able to wear white if I want to.

    • Anon in TX :

      In Texas, it is certianly warm enough. My rule is that when the highs end up hitting 80 all summer wardrobe is acceptable.

  4. I have been wearing oxfords with my suits for about 5 years now after I discovered my first pair at Fratelli-Rossetti in Chicago. I love the freedom of being able to walk anywhere without changing from uncomfortable heels to tennis shoes (ugh). I must own 15 pairs now!

    • Anonymous :

      I think FR make the cutest oxford-inspired shoes out there. I am incredibly jealous that you have 15 pairs. They are generally out of my price comfort zone, but a girl can dream.

  5. Hi ladies:

    Someone posted yesterday (I think) about Re-Mix shoes and having to size down. I am currently salivating over a couple of pairs of their shoes but don’t have a source near me so will have to order online. What is your experience generally with their sizing? Are they pretty much TTS? I am usually a size 7. Thanks!

    • Nonny –where is that original thread? I’m super interested in reading it, but I can’t find it….

      • Can’t recall exactly, I’m afraid – it wasn’t a complete thread, just one person who mentioned they bought (I think) a size 6.5 and had to size down….?

        • Ugh. I’ve searched all of the last week’s comments and can’t find it anywhere. From what I see on their website, they are now supposed to be more ‘true to size’ than what their sizing was in the past. I am lusting over the hand-tooled leather wedges myself.

          • Nonny — was it someone else looking for a smaller shoe??? Because I think we read the same other blogs!

  6. Praxidike :

    Ugh, ladies, I am feeling down and competitive – not a good way to feel on a Friday afternoon. The gist of the issue: I’m in a small law firm, the “senior associate” here, and probably going to be a partner sometime in 2012 (2013 at the latest, or so I’ve heard).

    One of the partners has had some … difficulty … retaining associates because of his personality. Now what he wants is to re-hire someone who left our firm a few years ago for part-time work. She went to another firm, and then quit from there after having a couple kids. I find this person objectionable because she is a gossip and she is cliqueish with this attorney’s staff. In addition, after she left our firm she bad-mouthed the firm and the partners to a lot of people, including me.

    I know there’s nothing I can do about this because I am not a partner. But I am feeling really competitive and crappy about it and I just wanted to vent on here. My assumption is that the best way for me to handle this situation is to just continue working my ass off, continue putting out good work product, and ignore while still being professional and cordial. Thoughts?

    • If she’s as gossipy and badmouth-y as you say, I’d just put my head down, not play into it, and work hard – she’ll eventually hang herself. Do you like the firm enough to make partner even if she is working there? I think that would be my big concern at a small law firm.

      • Praxidike :

        I’m not sure if I want to be a partner for a number of reasons (and that’s one of them). But I think there’s a certain cache to being a partner, and of course there’s the higher hourly wage to consider. I would say that I support myself about 80%, and the other 20% of the work is given to me by another partner with whom I work very closely.

        I guess my initial posting isn’t very clear. I’m feeling down because I think she’s going to make the office even more divided than it already is because of her gossipy, cliqueish behavior. And I’m feeling competitive because I’m concerned that my clients are going to start sending her work once she’s back on the letterhead. I know I can’t control for that, and I don’t know if it’s going to happen, but I don’t want this person to jeopardize my chances of becoming a partner even if I’m not sure it’s what I want.

  7. Well my day just took an unexpected turn for the worse…we sold our place recently and were lucky that we didn’t have to eat too much $ even though we bought near the height of the market. But the buyer’s appraiser didn’t think the market has come back at all from the bottom and appraised us at almost $20K below the contract price (and more than double that much less than what we actually paid for the thing), and the buyer just terminated the contract. I know these things happen and there was an appraisal contingency in the contract, but I am devastated. I hated being on the market; it’s so disruptive and stressful. And now we will almost certainly have to cut the asking price now. I’m in shock, and I’m really irrationally angry at the buyer…she is protecting her own rights, but she didn’t even try to negotiate on the price before terminating. I just want to sit her down and explain how she is messing with our plans and beg her to reconsider.

    • Keep in mind that she may not have a choice in the matter. Lenders are very strict these days with mortgages and it’s possible the home did not meet some condition required for the mortgage- be it the appraised value, vacancy in the neighborhood, or other issues that might not have come to light until after they put in the offer.

      • This is so true. Lenders are still being very difficult and inflexible, even for borrowers with great credit. Blame the bank, not the buyer!

    • I’m so sorry. We’ve been on the other end of things (buying) and just had to walk away from an apartment we loved because the sponsor was being really shady. We’re dreading going back on the market and having to spend more time searching. Just think how relieved you’ll be once it does finally work out.

      • Thanks for your sympathy, it’s what I needed. Good luck with your search!
        (Unless by some freak coincidence, you’re our former buyer, in which case I’m giving you the Evil Eye. :) )

        • Nah, we were buying a new construction condo, so unless you’re a developer it wasn’t us.

    • I think there is a lot of CYA-ing going on with appraisers of late because of their E&O insurers. We bought a house in January (still have not sold our old one . . . anyone want one?). The appraiser hired by our lender decided there was a roof leak over a spare bedroom, which lowered the value by $x,xxx in spite of the fact we’d already had a very qualified home inspector go over the house thoroughly. Our lending officer had no discretion to ignore the appraiser and could only order a second appraisal after a lot of red tape. The loan officer said we either had to have a roofer fix it and submit the paid billing statement, or have it reinspected and have some documentation it was an old leak and had been fixed. We had the inspector go back out on a rainy weekend with a moisture detector and he did not find any leak. Turns out, it was a paint stain on the ceiling. The appraiser was not qualified in any way to say such a thing, but it was a tense few days. I think with the recent deflation in house values, appriasers are overly cautious and do not want a claim against their E&O policies. My realtor and the sellers’ realtor were both very experienced and stated they had never seen such a thing before.

      • Yes… I’m obviously an interested party here, but among friends, allow me to say that this appraisal is BS. Don’t get me started on his comparables. Just so discouraging.

    • This happened to me last summer. We had to cut our price to the bs appraisal price. All of the “comparables” were to 25 year old houses while ours had been remodeled top to bottom and we had 3 offers in 3 weeks at the full asking price!!! Okay, I’m walking away from my keyboard now…..

  8. If anyone is looking for a cheapter alternative to the multi-colored blouse Kate posted earlier this week, I noticed that H&M has something similar.

  9. Here’s a really cute pair (and vegan, too, going back to a thread from a few months ago). They come in black and black-and-white.


  10. I love oxfords, but I don’t like ones with this sort of half-heel. I like them either super flat like the Steve Madden one somone posted above or as a pump.

    I’m so happy for the mens-wear inspired footwear that’s been so trendy lately. I have big, wide, sensitive feet, and it’s so nice to have a shoe trend that works with them and is so comfortable! I just hope it keeps up for a few years.

    • Me too. I have already bought a pair and am so comfortable in them, but I wear them with jeans on the weekends, not at work. I think if I could get a pair in brown suede, that would be even better, but this is a great start at comfort and style.

  11. At 5’2″ with athletic, short legs, I can’t do the oxford thing, but, on taller women, I think the right pair with a pair of ankle skimming pants is really cute. However, me thinks, this pair is *not* the right pair.

  12. I know this is late in the day, but just noticed a little while ago that Boden’s dresses are 20% off today only.

  13. Mary Bennett :

    Hey ladies,

    I wrote earlier this week asking for fun/cheap/interesting places in San Francisco to explore: both activities and cute stories. SF Bay Associate and an anon both recommended Ambience and asked where I’ll be staying. I’m here for a week (though probably have only a few days to shop) and I’m staying in the Lower Haight. Any more suggestions?

    Thanks so much!

    • Love the handle! I’m an Austen fan too.

      • Love the handle too… But why Mary Bennet? I always thought she was kinda boring and flaky.

        • Mary was the very studious one – Kitty and Lydia were the bored troublemakers!

          My parents (well, mother) chose Elizabeth for my middle name for that Bennet – I’ve always liked that :)

          • Kitty and Lydia were absolutely the troublemakers! I always had the impression of Mary as being a little oblivious – nose always in the book and not really noticing what’s going on around her (this coming from someone who loves having her nose in a book :) ).

          • Mine too! So funny.

    • Love your name! I think poor Mary Bennett got a bad rap because she wasn’t as pretty as the other girls in the family.

    • Check out Hayes Valley (walkable from the Lower Haight) for fun non-chain boutique shopping. Boulange is a great place for a break/brunch/lunch (French bakery/sandwich/salad local chain . . . there is one on Hayes St. at Octavia or so). Gimme Shoes and Paolo are both great, as is Lava 9 (leather coats/jackets and jewelry).

  14. Simple oxford flats in black aren’t conservative enough for your office?! how much more conservative can you get? good grief

  15. "Confidential" Resume :

    A friend just asked me a resume question, and I don’t know the answer, so I’m turning to you ladies. Is there a proper way to indicate that your resume is to be kept confident/private/etc.? If so, what is it? (She is employed but is exploring her options and does not want her current boss to know.)

    • When she emails it, just say “please don’t forward to anyone without asking me first.” There’s nothing weird about that.

    • I just went through this. While I asked for my cv to be confidential in the email that I sent, it ended up in the hands of someone who I have worked with in the past who I had no idea is consulting with this organization. I am very paranoid word is going to get out.

    • I think the reality is that you can’t really guarantee confidentiality 100%. It would be great if you could, but we live in a real world populated by imperfect people.

      When I sent it, I would include a note, as another Corporette suggested, that you hadn’t really made it public that you were looking, so you’d appreciate confidentiality.

      But also keep in mind that it’s much easier to dissipate electronic files than hard-copy ones.

  16. I am transitioning from being a non-traditional student to a full-time job in May. This is post-kids and after a long break. I need professional help to up my style. Any ideas for who I should be looking for? I am in North Virginia but can make it to DC if necessary.

    • Anonymous :

      This may sound crazy, but I used to sit in the Starbucks in the business area of town and look for fantastic outfits — and note down why they were so great (usually they fit perfectly, flattered, and were in great fabric and had great accessories).

      Good luck!

    • A lot of stores will do personal shopping for you with an appointment. I know JCrew for sure, probably Nordstrom– call some stores around you and see what you can get.

    • Good suggestions! I didn’t know the stores did it.

      Anon, I like how some people look in outfits but have never thought about why. I am going to think about this some more.

    • Sitting in Starbucks is a fantastic idea. Pick the one by a courthouse or something.

    • Stores will certainly help you will personal shopping but and very biased (As I am a stylist myself) check out personal stylists in the area if possible. Google and shop around- most stylists will give brief consults so you can see if you like their personalities first. The advantage of stylists versus store appointments; we are not making commission off of clothing- we want to help you look your best! And give you as many possible options without sticking to one certain “look”. However, an appointment at a store may just be easier for you! Choose Nordstrom- more options and generally speaking, the best customer service anywhere. Good luck!

  17. No Longer Job Hunting in LA :

    I’m curious about fabrics and colors and seasonal-appropriateness. I know tweed is for fall and winter, and linen is for spring and summer, but what about charcoal wool pants? If I’m not hot, can I wear them year round? I would love some advice about fabrics and colors for the seasons.

    Also, I HATE my legs (pasty pale bordering on purple when I’m cold, some spider veins), but don’t want to use self-tanner. Are hose my only option for spring/summer when tights are out?

    • I don’t see anything wrong with charcoal gray for the spring. As for wool, as long as it’s not an obviously very thick wool I don’t think it should be a problem. Personal for my suiting I like to get fabrics that I can wear year round (seeing as it appears you live in LA, I live on the FL gulf coast and our climates are probably fairly similar). You can always bring in more springy colors with your tops, shoes, and accessories.

    • I think that any material is fine as long as it’s not wildly inappropriate looking (i.e., really bulky in hot weather) and you’re comfortable. I doubt most people notice whether what you’re wearing is actually wool or not.

      As a super-pale redhead, I have very similar leg issues (and, additionally, moles and a tendency to bruise easily on the legs). I use self-tanner regularly in the summer, which is a pain but I think it works OK. I usually mix it with a little lotion to even it out and make it less harsh, then keep it up with a lotion/tanner mix (about 1/2 and 1/2) regularly. If anyone has better solutions, though, I’m all ears.

    • Great question! I hope you don’t mind a semi-threadjack, but along these lines, I’d be interested in comments on the wrinkle factor of various fabrics (i.e., On a continuum, what are the best and worst for wrinkling across the hips/waist from sitting? Are there any that should be avoided completely because they wrinkle too much to be worth buying?)

    • Wool is generally for fall/winter- it seems you already know this. I would not suggest wearing wool during spr/summer. Charcoal is a beautiful color though. OF COURSE you CAN wear them year round if you want to! It also may depend on what field of work you are in, do you care about fabric/fashion “rules?”
      May I ask why so opposed to self tanner? Jergens rules (does smell though.) Also- as a stylist and from other stylists- Sally Hansen has a spray that is called “Airbrush Legs” that is miraculous. And Wolford of course makes some great sheer hose.

    • Hi–I’m from LA. If you buy a seasonless wool (like J Crew stretch wool, which is really lightweight) there’s no reason you can’t wear it in the summer. If you are wearing a more heavy wool, like flannel, then I would not wear it in the summer. Personally, I transition some of my darker colored wool (even seasonless) to lighter colors (I have some light charcoal pinstripe pants for instance, instead of dark, bordering on black, charcoal pants). You will find that you can “brighten” most outfits in LA by adding a lot of color–there’s no fear of color there at all.

      I would also add that nylons are REALLY uncommon in LA, even in pretty formal dress situations…there’s just something very LA about everyone being perma-bronzed that means that most folks, even outside of the entertainment industry, don’t wear nylons at all in LA.

      Not sure if this is helpful, but my two cents as a longtime SoCal girl who now calls NorCal home.

  18. I just discovered reusable silicone muffin cups – to be used instead of paper/foil liners for muffins/cupcakes/etc. It always feels wasteful to throw away the liners, but I’m wondering how practical the silicone cups are…. For anyone who has them – any preferred brands? Are they reasonably easy to clean? Do the muffins get stale quicker without the liner to keep moisture in? Thanks!

    • I have them, and I’m not super thrilled with them. They’re kind of a pain to clean because I handwash them. I put them in the dishwasher once and two of them sort of melted and cracked, which made no sense to me since they’re designed to withstand heat. I also have two different brands, and one seems to be better than the other, but unfortunately I don’t remember what they are. Also, they seem smaller than the cups in a regular muffin tray.

      • L from Oz :

        I have a silicon muffin tray, which works reasonably well, but I still have to use a fair bit of butter if I go without paper liners. (And things must be cool before you turn them out, or else you get a catastrophe.) I’ve certainly had more luck with the tray than with individual silicon liners, and it’s dishwasher safe. Might be an option?

    • I haven’t used muffin cups, but I have used other silicone products for baking and cooking. Generally, I haven’t been impressed. As others noted above, cleaning can be a chore, and quite frankly I worry about toxicity. Of course, I am overly cautious to the point of paranoia in that department.

      Have you ever tried using non-stick metal muffin tins with no paper? I’ve had really good results with spray oil or a thin layer of vegetable shortening , then gently prying the muffins out of the tin with a fork once they’ve cooled a bit.

    • Another Sarah :

      I have a silicon muffin tin, and haven’t really had a problem getting the muffins out, etc. I usually spray it with some baking Pam before I load them, so that may be it. They are a pain to clean, and I handwash, because my silicon stuff is specifically labeled that it’s not dishwasher safe. I’ve found that if you clean them as soon as you can (so while everything is still soft) things go much, much easier. I’m also afraid of it getting mangled in the dishwasher. As for stuff going stale, I’m not sure because I’ve never had to keep any of the muffins I’ve made. My stuff is Le Creuset, and I think it works pretty well.

      Annnnnd I just realized you weren’t talking about a muffin tin, but the little muffin cups. Oops. :-D

  19. Dutch Fan :

    Hi everyone, I have a quick question for those who work in the IP field….

    I have a bachelors in biology (cell/molec mainly), but I am looking for a masters that combines biology with some other field. I want to do a Masters that will be competitive in the IP job market (which is the primary reason why I want to do a M.S.).

    Which types of degrees are in high demand? I know that engineers always have an easy time with getting IP jobs, but I can’t transition to a purely engineering masters from biology. I was looking into biomed engineering, genetics, or maybe even pharmacology? I’m going to be applying in the fall so I have to start thinking of my options!

    Any help would be appreciated!

    • Dutch Fan, Are you looking to work in an academic setting or an industrial one? Take a look at the Technology Transfer offices of some universities. Usually, they have staff profiles and you can see what sort of folk they hire.

      Take a look at the NIH OTT website also for other ideas.

      Another thing you could do is check out job listings at your university’s career development office or talk to a counselor there.

      • Dutch Fan :

        Oops, I think I was a bit unclear in my post. (There are so many lawyers on here, I thought people would assume I was a lawyer).

        I am a first-year lawyer (I have my JD already), so I want to work in IP law. I either want to work at a law firm (which seems more likely for the first few years of practice) or even at a biotech, pharma company, etc. (basically, in house) after awhile doing legal work, consulting, etc. My dream job would be to move on to some sort of consulting-type of thing after I work as a lawyer for a few years.

        Basically I’m looking to get my Masters to make myself more competitive for the legal market.

        But thanks for the NIH OTT suggestion! I think that’s a great starting point!

        • Anon IP Lawyer :

          Do you want to do prosecution or litigation? If you want prosecution, you are going to have a tough time unless you get a PhD – it seems like most employers require a PhD in any of the bio fields. Without a PhD, I’d focus on smaller employers who do a lot of work in your area of specialty, whatever it is (with or without masters). All in all, I’m not sure any MS specialty is better than any other to make you more “generally” marketable”

          If you want to do litigation, you probably don’t need a MS. But, given you are already out of school, you’ll have to do a lot of personal networking to show firms that you have the personality for litigation.

        • Here’s some unsolicited advice from a non-lawyer: make sure that another degree is really going to increase your marketability more than, say, a good network of professionals in the field or more work experience. I have interviewed a few young candidates lately who had multiple degrees but no substantive work experience – sorry, not helpful for what we need. I interviewed an MBA the other day who had worked for a year in a totally unrelated field from mine before going to business school, and it was very obvious that despite the degree, she had limited skills. A lot of younger people are looking at employability as a game where he/she who has the most letters after their name wins, but that isn’t necessarily the case. Have you talked to someone in the field you want to work in about your resume, and gotten advice about where to go from here? In some cases, I see people getting multiple degrees where a a couple of years of solid experience, a certificate program, a tested certification, or something else that requires less time and money would work just as well. Good luck.

          • Thanks for all of the advice!

            Again, I didn’t give all the details of my situation. There is something about giving all of the unique details of your career situation that weirds me out. I feel like people will figure out who I am, so I was trying to be as discreet as possible, but clearly this left a lot of questions!

            Risking somehow ‘outing’ myself…I want/do work in litigation in a big IP market. I have a job in litigation right now. (prosecution sounds tortuous, to be honest!- I’m definitely a litigator at heart).

            I’d like to maintain contact with my firm while I go out there and get my masters (maybe even still do some part-time work, which would keep me developing some practical skills). It seems that in IP, law firms DO look for those silly letters behind their name, probably to impress clients in all honesty. I was lucky to get a job with my bachelors only- it’s probably due to my extensive research background (even though I only did a bachelors, I was lucky and got my name on some publications).

            And I do agree a lot of young people are trying to rack up 5 degrees behind their name. It’s probably because of all of the joint programs that have sprung up. It does definitely come down to who you know, and if you are respected in the legal community. That’s why I don’t understand why all of these people I know seem to be burning bridges left, right and, center.

            I was thinking of cold-calling some firms in other cities than mine to see if they would give an honest opinion about what makes a person marketable in IP litigation (in terms of degrees, etc.). Would that be pushy? Obviously, if they did not want to respond, I would not be offended.

        • former patent litigator, Silicon Valley :

          Have you taken the patent bar yet?

          You don’t need a master’s degree here. I have several friends practicing as patent litigators in the bay area, at big firms and patent shops. None of them have masters degrees, just undergrad degrees in hard sciences/engineering, including biology. In my group, the most junior masters degree holder was the most junior partner (no associates).

          Associates are never listed on pitches to clients unless they have something truly impressive and directly relevant to the client, like a Federal Circuit clerkship or a clerkship with the judge we’ve been assigned. That’s impressive because it shows directly relevant practical skills. A master’s degree is not the kind of “impressive” that clients care about, with the probable exception of trial counsel i.e the most senior and second most senior partners on the case.

          I highly doubt that big firms would respond to your cold-calling idea, nor would the prestigious patent shops in my area. They’d probably also remember your name when you started applying, and not in a good way. Instead, do your own research. Pull some patent suit dockets and see who is on the pleadings. Then look at their firm bio pages – how many of them have master’s degrees? Or talk to recruiters who do work here.

    • I agree with the others who have said that you really don’t need a masters for litigation. I just wanted to add that a masters in bio could even potentially hurt you, because some people who have bio PhDs will assume that your Masters is a result of starting and then quitting/being asked to leave a PhD program, because most of us know a number of people who got their Masters that way. So, if you do go down this road, I would at least try to find some way to make it clear on your resume that that is not the case.

      • Also, I would not just cold call random people. However, you could look for alums of your undergrad and law school who are in IP at the firms you are interested in and email them. I get emails like this occasionally and am far more receptive to them than if it was just some random person that I had no connection to. And I would email, rather than call, so that the person can respond at their convenience rather than being interrupted in the middle of a busy day.

    • Most IP jobs these days are for electrical/computer engineers, if not pretty much all. I know a lot of PhD bios who can’t get squat.

  20. Ms. Basil E. Frankweiler :

    I have a question, but I feel the need to provide a little background first. At the end of my 1L/beginning of my 2L year, I decided I would like to go into Probate/Trusts & Estates matter once I graduate. So I found an internship that has been really helpful and my school has a Wills Lab that you can take for one semester and write one will for one client. The five year old in me decided that it wasn’t fair that people who wanted to practice in Criminal or Environmental Law got a clinic, sometimes semester long and sometimes full year, where they got to operate like a law firm and have many opportunities to practice. So, in January I went to a professor I really trust and told her my idea about possibly getting a “Probate Clinic” started. She loved the idea and immediately through her full weight behind it. Last Tuesday, we had a meeting with the Dean and Thursday we were writing a course description to have a Probate Practicum placed in the upcoming fall schedule! It’s not a clinic, but I will still get the credits and experience I want.

    So here is my question, how do I incorporate the fact that I have done this into my cover letter and resume. I am very proud that I have taken this from an idea to reality and pleased that it has happened in such a short amount of time, but every time I try to write something it feels too awkward. Thanks in advance.

    • Anonymous :

      “My accomplishments include formulating and establishing the Mrs. B.E.F. Probate Clinic at XYZ school… “

    • On your resume: “Founder, State Law School Probate Practicum”.

      In the cover letter, “I conceived of and initiated the State Law School Probate Practicum, which will allow law students to spend a semester working under the supervision of local probate attorneys to provide services to indigent clients beginning in fall 2011. I plan to participate in the practicum during its first semester.”

      Or something like that.

      congrats, btw – that’s awesome to see your initiative take off!