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Hearts and Candy, originally uploaded to Flickr by RdokeReader J suggested a post about advice for finding time to date …

I liked your post today “Fitting a Social Calendar into a Busy Life” and I have an idea for a related post. What about one about dating? I know you’ve been off the market for a while, but I imagine you’ve had some experience in the arena! Specifically, making time to date when you’re a busy, professional woman and/or how to meet men when you’re a busy, professional woman.

We’ve talked a bit before about where to find guys to date, as well as on dating at the office, but in terms of general advice on dating when you’re busy, I don’t really think we’ve gone there.  So let’s get into it a bit.  (And, my usual caveat applies: apologies in advance for every time I say “he” or “him” or “the guy” — I really do mean “your prospective date” or “the person you’re dating.”)  (Pictured: Hearts and Candy, originally uploaded to Flickr by Rdoke.)

I’ll start by saying that I met my husband in 2007, when I was a fifth-year associate — it would have been a ton easier had I met him in law school or even at the office, but, alas.  So it can be done — but it isn’t easy.

A few tips from my experience:

- If you’re going to do it, do it. Commit to spending a little bit of time every day doing something to further the hunt, whether it’s reading a self-help book, shopping for boys online, saying “YES” to that friend’s party when you’d really rather just stay home and do your laundry, or, if you have to work on the weekend, to taking your work to a coffee shop to work rather than at your apartment or office (work permitting). In fact, my super-dorky story is that after a party in 2005, my friend C and I (both single and overachieving) decided our Project of 2006 was going to be to Get Married.  We set up time for weekly status updates (yes, seriously!) and would report in to each other on what we were doing to find a guy.

- Don’t worry too much about putting your picture on online dating sites. I remember worrying — but what if someone at the office sees?  Honestly: if they’re on an online dating site it’s because they, themselves, are looking to do online dating.  Pot, kettle.  That said, you may want to rethink putting super-sexy pictures of yourself online, or saying things in your profile that you wouldn’t want people at work to know about you otherwise.  E.g., “Killing time at the firm until Prince Charming comes along!”  (Just a tip: in addition to being inappropriate in case your boss sees it, that particular statement is also not likely to net you many dates, either.)

- Don’t email forever with your prospective date. Too many people live in their heads and are content to send you these incredibly long emails — and while it’s great that you can connect on an intellectual level, it’s better to just get together in person and see if you and the guy connect in real life.  Furthermore, writing super long emails takes WAY more time than just meeting a guy for coffee or a drink after work.

- Talk to the prospective date on the phone for at least 15 minutes before you meet. I called this my “psycho test.”  Go with your gut here — if you get even the slightest bad feeling from this guy, do not meet him in person.

- Be safe. Stick to public places until you know the guy really well (i.e., several dates!), and be careful and safe once you get intimate with someone.

I also read a number of self-help books (and, like a proper dork, even took notes on them) and found these three to be particularly helpful, if anyone is interested:

  • Superflirt, by Tracey Cox — if you live in your head and your idea of “flirting” is to glance at a guy from across a room, this is the book for you — it’s all about body language.  How to tell if he’s interested, how to tell HIM you’re interested, and even, if you worry that things aren’t going well, how to get you both on the same vibe/wavelength.  (It also is very helpful from a career perspective, because it helps you learn what may be misinterpreted as flirting when you just mean to convey professional interest.)
  • Love Smart: Find the One You Want–Fix the One You Got, by Dr. Phil McGraw.  (I know, cheesy!) I had these ridiculously specific ideas of what “the perfect man” would look like for me.  (I entirely blame the plethora of rom-coms that I’ve watched over the years!) and this book was great for focusing my attention on what things are actually important to me, which I hadn’t really put into words before that.  I learned, for example, that it was really important to me that a man have longstanding, good relationships with his friends and family — much more so than what school he went to or what part of the country he came from or some of the other idiotic things I was trying to look for.
  • He’s Just Not That Into You: The No-Excuses Truth to Understanding Guys, by Greg Gehrendt and Liz Tuccillo.  (And you thought the LAST one was cheesy…)  This book hits you over the head, again and again, with one simple message:  you will know when a guy likes you. If you have to analyze his behavior or make excuses for him (e.g., “he’s just too scared because we’re such a great match that he’s taking it slow!”) then — newsflash — he does not like you.  This book was particularly liberating to me in two different ways.  The first way was the freedom to stop wasting time and energy on guys who, really, were not into me.  I particularly remember one guy who I’d been on like 5+ dates who still wasn’t calling me more than once a week and who, in one brief phone call, actually seemed to resent the fact that he had to make another dinner date with me.  I emailed him after the call saying, “Look, maybe you’re having a bad night, but I feel like you’re not really into me.  I think we could be a good match, but I kind of want a guy who, you know, likes me.  So maybe we should just cut our losses?”  And he called back about 2 minutes after I had sent the message to tell me — very apologetically — that no, he really wasn’t into me, and maybe we should just break things off.  (He had KNOWN IT all along!)  It sounds heartbreaking and hard now, but honestly — liberating.  I still wish him well — we’d met through a friend we had in common, and I occasionally still see him on Facebook or whatnot — but thank GOD I didn’t waste more of my time with that one.  The second way this book was helpful was when I met my husband.  It’s one thing to read the book and see that guys aren’t treating you the way you’d like them to — but it’s a completely different thing when you meet one who actually DOES treat you the way the book says they will.

Ultimately, I found that online dating kind of “primed me” to be looking for a relationship.  After a year or so of online dating, I met guys in the Real World as well — at the pizza place, at the airport check-in counter, etc. Again, I’ll be honest here:  This dating-intensive period took me a lot of time (goodbye, hobbies!) and a lot of mental space.  I met a lot of jerks — in fact, the last 2 guys I dated were the one I mention above (Mr. I Knew I Didn’t Like You But Thought I’d Date You Anyway) as well as one guy who I found out after the fact was actually engaged the whole time we were dating (Mr. But He’s Catholic And Smart And From My Home Town So Clearly The Stars Will Align).  So in August 2007, I decided that the mental space was better spent elsewhere, and turned my full attention to my career.

And about 2 weeks later I met my husband at a friend’s birthday party at a bar.  (My friend C, incidentally, was engaged by the end of 2006 and is still happily married — they just welcomed baby #2.)

Obviously, everyone has a different story.  Readers, what are your tips for dating when you’ve got a busy schedule?  Which online dating services would you particularly recommend?  Anyone else care to share their misadventures in dating?

 

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We’ve talked about dating a wee bit on here, but something we’ve never talked about is dating at the office.  (Disclosure:  This author has no experience with it personally — and as a newlywed, we hopefully never will).  Still, it happens frequently — a 2003 study by the American Management Association found that two-thirds of managers and executives say it’s okay to date someone at the office, and 30% have done so.  We’ve certainly known (and respected) folks who dated people at the office — in fact, a lot of those people wound up marrying that co-worker.  So what are the rules for dating a co-worker with dignity?

(Pictured:  Linda Lee Johnson Claddagh Ring, available at Barney’s for $3200.)

We thought we’d throw some suggestions for the single ladies amongst us — readers, please chime in.

  • Do not view your office as a dating pool. It doesn’t matter how big the company is, or how many floors or offices it has — word will get around, and it will hurt you professionally.  There should be a chance for the relationship to be a fairly serious one — do not just “date” a co-worker for a “distraction.”  If you happen to really like someone you work with, let your feelings develop naturally, and let the relationship progress naturally.  (We might also advise that if you’ve already dated someone at the office and it ended, then you should be very, very careful about dating anyone else at the office, lest you be seen as someone who does view the office as a dating pool.)
  • Know the office policy on dating before anything happens. Knowing when and if you’re obligated to have a conversation with your superior will probably influence your thoughts on the relationship.
  • Discretion is the name of the game. Keep your thoughts about the crush/burgeoning relationship to yourself, or only discuss with friends who have no connection to the office.  When you start dating, don’t visit each others’ offices that frequently.  Don’t go to a bar or restaurant near the office.  Keep the cutesy talk outside the office.  Avoid leaving the office at the same time (or, cringe, arriving at the same time).
  • Keep it in your pants (to put it crudely).  Two rules that we strongly caution against breaking:  1) no public hook-ups — your first kiss should not happen at a work party, no matter how much you’ve been drinking.  2) There is no place in your office that is private or secluded enough to count as a romantic rendezvous spot — not your office, not the coat closet. Don’t do it.
  • Only appear in public when it’s pretty serious.  To us, this would mean living together, engaged, or pregnant — but hey, we’re old-fashioned.

Readers, what are your thoughts on dating at the office?  Have you ever dated anyone at the office?

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Weekly Roundup

by C on 03/20/2009 · 2 comments

in Fashion

Liking these posts? Follow Corporette on Twitter — this is the edited version of what we’re reading! (We also Tweet if we hear about a good sale.)

- Lots of blazer news this week: SheFinds gives you advice on what to wear with a blazer.  Meanwhile, other outlets are on to NEXT season’s trend (apparently) — blazers with very, very strong shoulders. WhoWhatWear advises how to wear it, while Fashionista wonders whether Mary-Kate Olsen or Anna Della Russo (fashion director at large for Vogue Nippon) wore a strong-shouldered Balmain dress better.  (And, hello! The jacket pictured at left — by Aryn K — is only $82.)

- Forbes advises how to date when you work all the time.  (See our own dating advice here!)

- We thought we’d alert you to this series by Patricia Handschiegel over on The Huffington Post — she’s been writing about various aspects of the new “power girls” — the latest is all about how they like to discuss business over meals or drinks.  [TheHuffPo]  Meanwhile, The Glass Hammer is reporting that more women business owners are turning to coffee dates in this economy. [The Glass Hammer]

- Finally:  The Daily Obsession raves about a new apparatus for your hair, The Clever Clip.  We’ve already ordered a set and will let you know how it goes! [The Daily Obsession]

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Shopping for Boys

by C on 02/09/2009 · 4 comments

in Lifestyle, Love

Long hours at the office, plus no energy when you’re NOT at the office… these are not the great markers of a lively social life. If you’re not already attached to someone, it can be a nightmare for a young professional woman to try to meet someone intelligent — which means that online dating, a.k.a. shopping for boys, is the default plan for many. There are a variety of sites out there that pander to intelligent women, so, with Valentine’s Day breathing down our necks, we thought we’d review a few… Admittedly, it’s been a few years since we’ve been out there, so if you have any new sites or methods to recommend please write in!

right-stuff Right Stuff Dating. If you’re a bit of an elitist (hey, nothing wrong with that), then this site may be great for you — its members must prove that they are graduates (or faculty members) at a select group of “excellent schools.” Most medical schools and law schools are included, as well as the usual Ivies and near-Ivies. While the site is a bit from the Cro-Magnum era, any man who signs up for this site is definitely looking for a smart woman.
If you’re too busy to even figure out what kind of guy (or girl) you like, Chemistry.com may be for you. Anthropologist Helen Fisher and her team of scientists have designed an extensive “personality profile” for you to fill out; it matches your personality and needs with other people who have filled out a similarly complex profile. The pros: you know the guy is serious about finding a long-term relationship. The cons: set aside 45 minutes or so for the introductory profile section. DC readers: note that they seem to have a special section just for dating in Washington, D.C. (Note that this is similar to the eHarmony matching process, but without the Christian bent. (Chemistry.com is having a special, too: Three months for the price of one on Chemistry.com! You save more than 50%! Chemistry.com
We never had good technical experiences with these sites, but you may want to check them out as well: 

We’ve never tried these either, but they also have a targeted audience:

Similarly, another classic dating venue for intelligent folks that we’ve never tried (although plenty of our friends have): It’s Just Lunch.

Real life venues (whaaat)?: 

- the “under 40″ clubs for local museums, charities, and even libraries — the membership may cost $75 to $1000, but you and a select group of other young folks can attend seminars, dinners, and even balls. For example, in New York, check out the Young Lions of the New York Public Library, or the Junior Council of the American Natural History Museum.

- gallery openings and other artistic fare. If you’re in New York, Chicago, Miami, or L.A., check out GenArt — with packages as cheap as $75, it’s a great way to get out and about.

- trivia quiz nights at bars — try Googling “trivia nights” and your city and you’ll come upon plenty of bars; NYCers check this posting on Yelp or this About.com post

Further Reading:
- In the New Dating Scene, The Attraction is a Beautiful Mind [WaPo]
- No Ordinary Love [Atlantic Monthly]

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originally uploaded by Drunken Monkey

About a week ago we asked you how you handled the much-talked-about day-to-night transition — do you change outfits entirely?  change elements of your outfit to make it less business and more fun?

The poll is still open, but here’s how it’s looking thus far:

  • 33% of you maintain elements of the same outfit, but change to denim or a more dressy skirt if you’re going out on the town
  • 30% of you wear totally different clothes than what you wore to work
  • 21% of you scoff at the idea of being able to get out of the office to enjoy a night out on the town. (Our unsolicited advice: C’mon, guys, you can do it! Youth is fleeting — and you can sleep when you’re dead.)
  • 14% of you wear the exact outfit that you purchased thinking it would be a good day-to-night transition.

Since the majority of you wear elements of the same outfit, we couldn’t resist recommending this top and these shoes — wear the Velvet Leaf Dylan Blouse Cut Out Sleeves in Royal Blue (available at Revolve Clothing for $105) with a regular black suit with a pencil skirt and pumps, and before you leave the outfit, ditch the jacket and change into more trendy shoes such as these Nine West – Dasolina (Dark Purple Suede) – Footwear (available from Zappos for $99).

Velvet Leaf Dylan Blouse Cut Out Sleeves in Royal Blue
Nine West - Dasolina (Dark Purple Suede) - Footwear

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