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Charter Club Pants, Modern Fit AnkleSomething on your mind? Chat about it here.

Pictured: This is all Jessica Alba’s fault. We saw her pictured in some magazine (Self, perhaps?) wearing cute ankle-length jeans, pink Ferragamo flats, and a boyfriend sweater, and she looked adorable. So when we saw these on sale today at Macy’s, we snapped them up — for $29 we’ll try the ankle-length look, which we remember being vaguely cute from the last time it was in style. Were $55, now $29, available in sizes 4-16 in black, brown, gray, navy, and sand. Charter Club Pants, Modern Fit Ankle

Also – we already Tweeted about this earlier today, but if you haven’t been yet, check out the sale Amazon is having on women’s shoes. Serious discounts on some seriously cute shoes — we’re talking $500+ shoes marked to $56. Lucky sizes only, of course.

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  1. Why do all of the shoes featured on Amazon have such high heels? Seriously, it seems like all those shoes are 3.5 – 4 inches.

    • You’re right; most of them are sky high. Maybe that’s why nobody bought them at full price ;)

      • pinkrobot :

        also no wide widths in the sale though there are narrow widths. sadness

    • Ooooo, thanks, Corporette. Just bought a pair of $313 shoes for $47!! And their fuchsia suede flats. Awesome. For the first time in my life, my weird shoe size — 5 1/2 — is lucky!!

  2. What do people think of ankle length pants? I see them on other females and think they look adorable, but I’m 6′ tall so I’m afraid it will just look like my pants are too short…

    • I love ankle length pants for the weekend and I’m 6 feet tall too. I make it look like they’re short on purpose by wearing moderate (and casual) heels – about 2.5 inches. Or, perhaps something like these:




      Either way, paired with a boyfriend cardigan and a belt at the waist, I feel good to go!

    • Actually I think they tend to look better on taller, leggier women.

      • Agreed. I think it looks deliberate on taller women. On shorter women, it always looks (to me) like someone hemmed a little too much pant.

        • Agreed again! I definitely think the ankle length pant looks better on taller women. I am petite and avoid that length at all costs for fear of looking like I’m wearing “high waters.”

    • @K: I’m 5’9″ and would love to try the ankle length pants but have the same concern.

      Anyone have any advice on how to make the length look more deliberate?

      • Well, I’m 5’11” with a 36″ inch inseam, and “regular” ankle pants come out as full-on capris on me. If I were to buy regular non-ankle pants, then I really do look like Olive Oyl. The key is having cute skinny ankles! But the ankle look can be very chic (think Kate Spade!) if you have cute flats on!

        This is a very summery look though, and it looks silly when not warm enough in spring and when it’s already fall.

    • I’m very tall and I love ankle-length pants because I can rock flats and still look stylish. It is one of my favorite looks at the moment.

      I believe that the trick for us tall girls is to make sure they are the right length so it is obvious that we meant for them to be ankle-length. If they are too short, they look awkward. Too long and they just look like high-water pants.

    • For us shorter ladies out there: I’m on the short side of things (5’4″) and recently bought a pair of ankle length jeans that actually function as my first pair of “skinny” style jeans for me. I’m not skinny, but somehow the length and cut of the ankle-length pants just work. I’m really excited to finally be able to “do” that look. (The jeans were by Kut, I got them at Nordstrom.)

      • Similar deal here — I’m 5’4″ and I regularly buy ankle pants since on me, that’s a normal length and saves me tailoring.

    • I specifically remember Tim Gunn (on Guide to Style) telling some woman that she needed to get rid of all of her capris because they made all not-tall women look stumpy.

      (Sorry if this gets posted twice.)

      • I remember the same episode (though I guess it probably came up more than once). Apparently capris divide your legs into sections and make them look shorter rather than enlongating them. I definitely see it on me, I am 5’7″ and capris are really not flattering. I think that really tall ladies can look fabulous in them though.

        • I remember hearing this too– capris are lazy; it’s like you don’t want to bother with finding pants that are the right length or shorts that fit appropriately.

  3. See these just make me laugh because a running joke among my friends in warmer months is “What do you call capris when I’m wearing them? Pants!” At 5’1″ most capri pants are ankle length on me. These make me think of that. It’s just an awkward length.

  4. I’m not a fan of ankle length or capris because I think they are unflattering on over 90% of women. Unless you are extremely slim, it is a hard look to pull off. I also think it shortens your leg, which most of us don’t want.

  5. No likey. I like capri’s that hit higher (mid calf), maybe with a sash belt, but these look like floods.

  6. Love them on tall, thin women like my mother. For those of us not quite so blessed, it can be very unflattering. I’m tall but I don’t think my athletic thighs are flattered by the length.

  7. Delta Sierra :

    From what I see around here (SoCal) floods and capris that are hemmed above the ankle bone seems to = short enough so it does look like too-short-pants. But casual only. Never see them at work.

    Flood pants here = ankle bone to mid-calf, capris are anywhere from mid-calf to just below the knee. For casual, you see them ALL the time, with flat sandals. They’re great for when you feel you aren’t as slender as you’d like to be, and you wouldn’t feel comfortable in shorts, but it’s hot out, and pants just aren’t on the menu.

  8. No capris for me.

  9. Jessica Alba is really fit and prettier than most of the rest of us, so you can’t really look at anything she wears and assume that it will probably be fine for you. Aside from that, I’m not a fan of ankle-length pants. It just looks like they got hemmed a little too much. Or, it feels that way when I wear them.

  10. really cute! I like that the look just says – comfortable and casual.

  11. I think ankle-length pants are a “cute” look. I like how they look with pointed toe sling-backs with a low heel and a pretty blouse (not tucked in). Maybe with a nice belt or a cardigan over.

  12. I’m usually not a fan of ankle pants. The only person I’ve ever seen wear them well is my friend who is fairly tall and quite thin and wears them with high heels. I feel like on most people they just look like you accidentally bought pants that are too short.

  13. Have two pairs (grey and black cords) I’ve been wearing non stop since fall, albeit mostly with boots over them once it got cold. I’ve gotten a lot of compliments. They look good with flats, and can easily be dressed up with heels.

    Not sure how I feel about the pair above though, prob smidge shorter than mine and flare out a bit too much for my taste (pairs I have taper more and follow the line of the leg). I think the taper makes the length look more intentional and less ‘flood’ like. As a long legged freak growing up who had get pants two sizes to big to avoid wearing highwaters, it took a week for me to overcome the nagging feeling that my pants were to short.

    Full disclaimer – I have a 32″ inseam even though I’m 5’6 ish and have sticks for legs.

  14. I know there’s been a lot of talk expressing frustration w/ inconsistent sizing. Last night I came across myshape dot com while chasing a jessica howard dress. Basically, you put in a ton of your measurements and it assigns you a body type….AND shows you clothes that actually fit those measurements. (It recommend the size that I’d tried on in-store that had fit perfectly, which inspired my confidence!) lol…and they had the color I wanted that wasn’t in-store!
    I’m intrigued/sold! Wish they sold all brands there though!
    Just wanted to share my newest find!

  15. finance question: has anyone used mint.com and what are your thoughts, especially on the security? I’m always a little wary of entering account numbers online.

    • divaliscious11 :

      I love Mint.com. It IS cumbersme initially in the setting up process, but once you have all of your accounts loaded, it becomes remarkably easy to use. I find after a couple months, I am now only tweaking the categarization of one off purchses, as my regular stuff fills automatically. I used quicken for many years, and always hated trying to remember to add every transaction, even when I had pocket quicken on my PDA. Since my cash purchases tend to only be things like Starbucks etc… it gives me great visibility into my spending habits etc… My only complaint is that it runs a day or two behind, but I have found that a refresh will pull your current information. If you can get through the set-up, I think you’d find it helpful. There is an iPhone app as well so if you need to do a spot check, you can.

      • divaliscious11 :

        Oh, and there are a few straggler banks/investment companies who aren’t in the system – I have one investment account that is not supported, but the seem to be coming on board…. The big ones are there (Fidelity/Vanguard/T.Rowe Price etc…)

    • I am a bit concerned about privacy, although I took the risk and entered my information, and absolutely love the program thus far. The website assures the users that the information is protected, but I do wonder how secure it really is. Think about Chinese and Russian-affiliated hackers and Google!

  16. I LOVE ankle pants, if the pant leg is slim enough. Not tapered, per se, but not the hideous (sorry capri fans) leg-shortening capri look with the wider opening. I also prefer them with flats – think Mary Tyler Moore on the Dick Van Dyke show! http://www.imdb.com/media/rm595433472/tt0054533 I think they look best with a slightly more tailored and more 60s-inspired top, but maybe that’s because while I want to be a high-powered attorney, part of me will always want to be Donna Reed …

    Also – I was going to post this as a PSA today, I bought a pair of cable knit grey flats a few years back and they have been the most versatile pair of shoes I own, esp. in winter! (Just puttin it out there…)

    • Wait, what? cable knit flats?

      • Yup! They’re SO cute. And several years later, they’re just starting to pill around the sole, but that’s because I sit on my foot.

        • jealous, those sound really cute. Wish I had a pair! I recently bought a pair of gray suede flats with a silver detail on the top and am finding them very versatile, too – wear them to work, wear them with jeans. Have gotten a lot of compliments on them.

  17. Regarding mint.com – I find it pretty cumbersome and not as flexible as I’d like. I had heard good reports so I thought it would be a easy way to keep track of expenses. No such luck. I used it only after I did research and felt very confident about the security from several sources.

  18. lawsatudent :

    What are your thoughts on perfume in the workplace? I enjoy wearing some, but wonder if even a subtle scent is too “social” and distracting. Should I avoid floral scents, musky ones, or anything else in particular?

    • lawstudent :

      Of course, I meant to type “lawstudent” as my username.

    • For me? Just about all of them, but definitely the musks and anything floral with lilies in it, as I’ll have to take the rest of the day off because of the migraine you caused me. If someone else who isn’t touching you can smell it, it’s definitely too much. If you’re at all close with your coworkers, it might be fair to ask around first to make sure nobody has allergies. I’d love to hear other opinions, too.

      • KLo, if you get true migraines from others wearing perfume (which I think is a fairly common occurrence), aren’t you debilitated by that sensitivity? I just can’t imagine getting a full-on migraine from common smells and having to take the rest of the day off. Have you tried Imitrex? I’m probably telling you something you already know, and I know it doesn’t work for everyone, but Imitrex kicks in within an hour and saves the whole lying in a dark room bit. Thankfully I do not have any smell triggers- my triggers are generally hormonal (that time of the month), and some food triggers, and occasionally a really bright sunny day will do it (I get aura with those).

        • Luckily they’re rare enough (most people, thankfully don’t wear too much perfume, or will refrain if need be) that prescription meds haven’t been worth it to me. I have a cousin who’s been on meds for years though. I imagine as I age, it will be more important (and I’ll need them down the road), but for now it’s some perfumes, lilies, and winter sun at just the right level.

          • Yeah, what is it about that winter sun? That’s what gets me too. Totally doesn’t happen in the summer. I had to get Rx sunglasses to prevent migraines driving into work in the winter. Getting a migraine aura while driving in heavy traffic on the highway with no shoulder is scary (not to mention dangerous- I lose part of my vision temporarily)!

        • I used to get about 3-4 migraines a week in college. I take Topamax as a preventative now and it has been a godsend – I only get maybe one every 2 months now. I used to still get maybe 1 every week or two, especially when stressed, even on the Topamax, but in the last few months I’ve changed my diet: nothing super-processed, as few preservatives and artificial ingredients as possible, less meat, no high fructose corn syrup, and more water (this was all for unrelated reasons) but ever since doing that I’ve been amazed at how few migraines I get.

    • Delta Sierra :

      I looove wearing perfume. But I leave it behind when I go to the doctor’s office (to respect people’s respiratory grief) or to work (to be professional).

      If you do choose to wear it, stay away from cheap brands, and fakes, as some people (me) can really tell, and it doesn’t reflect well on you to show up all carefully dressed according to Corporette’s genius advice, and yet smell of the latest eau d’cheap. Take advantage of department store try-ons, make a note of several that you like, then haunt the web to find a discount. Sometimes a ‘tester’ is offered at a lower price, this just means you don’t get the fancy box, which just goes in the paper recycle anyhow.

      Discount stores can be good hunting grounds. My best find was a 2/3 off Hermes perfume at Loehmann’s. I think they were changing the packaging.

      • Please don’t wear perfume to the office. I will inevitably share an elevator with you, and then 1) get a headache for the rest of the day, and 2) feel like I must now smell like whatever that smell was. So pretty please don’t do it.

    • My advice is to wear so little it can’t be smelled by someone who is not physically touching you. It should be smellable when someone hugs you, but not when they shake your hand. Get your roommate or friend to help you determine this. Generally a dab behind the ear is what it takes.

      Once you’ve got the correct amount, wear whatever scent you like.

      • I tend to buy the spray perfumes (CK One Summer and D&G Light Blue are my favorite — they smell clean with a little bit of citrus), and I’ve never exactly figured out how the dabbing works with those. After I get out of the shower, I’ll spray one pump in the air, let it dissipate a little bit and then walk through it. I’m not sure if it’s technically correct, but it’s really hard to overapply that way.

        • lawstudent :

          I like the clean, citrus smell as well, and will have to try your application method!

        • That works too. I wear a spray kind (because somehow my own perfume doesn’t bother me – I think it’s quantities, not particular smells, that make me nauseous) and I just spritz a bit behind each ear.

    • What do people think about scented moisturizers at work? I mean the ones with the heavy scents like victoria’s secret.

      • lawstudent :

        Thank you all for the helpful feedback!

        Hermes at Loehmann’s — that is a great find. I can’t afford full price for the perfume that I wear, so I may look in discount stores more often.

      • Please just don’t. I’m really smell sensitive and these make me nauseous when the assistant who sits in a cubicle across the hall from my office puts them on. A dab of perfume doesn’t smell nearly as strongly as those lotions do.

    • I think a hint of a clean, fresh perfume can be okay, but I would definitely say NO to heavy, floral or musky scents. Apply lightly in a couple places. Don’t spritz all over or the scent will end up being too overpowering. Of course, be courteous to your colleagues; if you know someone gets migraines or has bad allergies, skip the perfume and, if you can’t live without some fragrance, perhaps opt for a scented lotion or for a body spray since these are much lighter and will fade away to a tolerant level of fragrance if you overdo it.


    • I also get migraines from perfume if it is musky or floral. I have to be extra careful on airplanes or trains, and have asked to be moved to a different seat if someone near me smells of perfume. Because of allergies and migraines, I am of the belief that perfume should be smelled by you and your lover, no one else.

      That being said, I don’t think perfume at work is too social or distracting as long as you don’t wear very much of it. Musks and heavy florals probably have the most probability of making other people sick or offended.

  19. Can anyone tell me about the Georgina Goodman brand? I’ve never heard of it before but some of the shoes are really cute.

  20. I’m 5’2 and capris make my legs look even shorter. Husband hates them.

  21. Alas, I am not Audrey Hepburn.

  22. Any advice – are flats appropriate for a conservative office (with a suit)? I’m 5’4″ but I HATE heels with a passion. Alternatively, can anyone recommend office appropriate kitten heels that don’t have a super long/pointy toe? Thanks :)

    (Also, I agree with EM.)

    • I’m with you –I hate heels both because I’m tall and because I can’t walk in them. I think flats generally look awful, but like you, I can’t find kitten heels without an incredibly uncomfortable toe. I really like the LOOK of Talbots lower flats, but every time I buy one, it’s the same story — totally pinchy (you know what I mean) toe.

      • I’m extremely short and constantly get told I should wear heels more; however, I have no arch in either foot (congenital) and rip tendons when walking around in anything other than extremely supportive footware. My orthotics don’t generally fit in heels (and it hurts when I try), and “cute” flats don’t stay on such a flat foot. To anyone who says that heels are the only appropriate office footware, well, I’m not crippling myself for such a stupid arbitrary fashion judgement – and in my case the crippling is literal.

        Besides, I’m short enough that 5cm+ only makes me slightly less short, rather than anything approaching average!

        On a cheerier note, despite this I have a lovely selection of shoes, but I wince at the price – my newest pair of boots were 200 euros (style + orthotics = expensive) and Think! has some lovely loafers which I’d by in multiples, but they’re 150 euros +…

        • I hear and feel your pain. I have chronic plantar fasciitis in both feet and can only wear a very limited selection of low-heeled shoes. Fortunately, I am in a very technical field where business casual is usually the norm.

          I like to look at the shoes on this site, admire them, sigh, and then move on…

      • I wear flats with suits, but generally not with skirt suits – I wear pantsuits most of the time and flats/loafer type shoes look fine with those (your feet are mostly hidden anyway).

        • L from Oz :

          I wear boots or sometimes flat shoes with a strap when I’m in a skirt or dress – might not be a fashion high point, but I don’t feel my inability to conform to strange social expectations about footware should rob me of the opportunity to wear anything other than trousers.

    • I think flats can be appropriate (if absolutely necessary), although I prefer a higher heel with a suit. A kitten heel would cuter than a flat with a skirt suit, but you have to do what is most comfortable to you, especially when at work (comfort at work can mean your optimum performance, after all). It’s just that you risk looking frumpy with a lower heel if you’re not careful. It’s hard to find a nice, affordable lower heel shoe.

      I just wrote a blog post about this very subject called ‘Needing a Lower Heel is No Excuse!’. (Smile.) Check out my blog post at http://cornerofficechic.wordpress.com if you have time. Good luck.

      • Typos galore in my reply above. With my English degree, I just couldn’t let them go. I meant to say “[a] kitten heel would be cuter” and “comfort at work can mean you’re able to focus & give your optimum performance”.

  23. Hi all. I get nervous with phone calls/messages and am struggling to come up with an appropriate outgoing message- I am going to be out of the country over spring break, but am expecting (hopefully) some calls from potential summer employers! What’s an example of a professional outgoing message letting callers know you’re out of the country, won’t have access to messages, and will return on X date? Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!

    • Hi, you’ve reached 2L. I will be out of the country from April 1st to April 15th, and will not have access to voice mail during this time. Please leave a message and I will return your call when I arrive home.

    • I travel for work for long periods of time, and I don’t use an international phone, so I forward all my calls to my google voice line when I’m out of the country so I can at least get messages. My voicemail recording says something like “Hello, you’ve reached Erin. M. I am traveling outside the United States and although I will check messages periodically, I may not be able to return your call until I return on DATE. If this is an urgent work-related matter, please contact (my boss) at ###. Otherwise, I look forward to speaking with you after DATE. Goodbye!”

      It helps to repeat the date twice. And I really do recommend finding a way to check your messages from overseas – if you don’t have Google Voice, maybe you can dial into your voicemail system using Skype? It’s only $0.02 per minute to call the US on Skype, so it wouldn’t cost you much. Then if something is urgent, you can call the person back on Skype as well.

      • 2L, I really hate talking on the phone and get nervous, too! It’s okay to need several attempts to record your outgoing message. Record, listen, erase, repeat until it sound good. Don’t be afraid to speak slowly on your message; most folks will only hear this temporary message once or twice and won’t mind waiting to hear the whole thing.

        Have fun on spring break!

  24. I find most perfumes too obtrusive for the office, especially most of the scents from Victoria’s Secret and Bath & Body Works. I wear Philosophy Pure Grace, which is very light and consists of mostly clean notes. It comes in a body spray and a solid perfume, both of which go on lighter. The only comments I have ever received about the scent are from people wondering why I always smell like I am fresh from the shower. Such comments are especially nice to hear, considering that I tend to sweat regardless of the temperature.

    Also, I remembering reading that white floral notes in perfume are especially irritating to those with fragrance sensitivities. I believe it is a good idea to avoid any perfumes with white in the name.

  25. Graduation dress help? I’m thinking of ordering this:


    with a cute cardigan over it but I’m unsure what color cardi would work.

    • Delta Sierra :

      Do you like the crop cardigan they’re advertising on that same page, on the right, lower down? In popsicle, the color they show with the dress. The dress is beautiful, but it is very vivid, and maybe you don’t want to be introducing another color that isn’t already present.

      • I thought about that but I was afraid it was too matchy matchy and while I like it open, I’m not sure if I love the way it cuts the model at the wider skirt of the dress when closed, as opposed to the narrower waist. Hmm.

        • Delta Sierra :

          For events like graduation and weddings, always important to think about how an outfit will photograph, since you’ll be looking at the pix for a long, long time to come.. IMO the simpler color combo (pinky/orange + white) will phot. better. But it’s only an opinion.

    • Yellow! Or a tropical green!

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