Thursday’s Workwear Report: Perfect Turtleneck
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Our daily workwear reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices.
We’re officially entering turtleneck season, and this one from Talbots is absolutely perfect. The fabric is not too thick, but not too thin, and the buttons at the cuffs are a nice touch.
I would pair this port wine color with a chestnut brown skirt for a perfectly autumnal look, but it also comes in four other colors, including black and ivory.
The turtleneck is $89.50-99.50 at Talbots and comes in sizes XS-XL, XSP-XLP, and X-3X.
Sales of note for 9/26/25
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- Boden – Sale now up to 50% off PLUS an extra 10% off
- J.Crew – Extra 30% off sale styles, plus up to 50% off layers they love
- J.Crew Factory – 40-70% off everything + extra 20% off $125+
- Nordstrom Rack – UGG up to 40% off
- Rothy's – Up to 50% off last-chance sales
- Soma – 6 panties for $36 — readers love these no-VPL panties (and these PJs)
- Talbots – 40% off one item, plus 30% off everything else
- White House Black Market – 30% off all full-price dresses, and $50 off $200+ purchase
Help me find a dupe? I am in love with the J Crew Factory schoolboy blazer in Sweet Fuchsia tweed, but it only comes in petite (and I am decidedly not petite). I typically take a 14 in JCF blazers. My searches turn up nothing that comes in my size in this particular color (I’m definitely not a dusty/mauvey person). Does anyone have some search magic to spread around today?
Here’s the link: https://factory.jcrew.com/p/womens/categories/clothing/blazers/tweed-schoolboy-blazer/BW287?color_name=sweet-fuchsia-tweed-com&colorProductCode=BW287&fit=Petite&display=all
Gorg!!!!
Isn’t it fun?
Boden has a blazer in a brighter pink, it might work for you.
I came here to recommend Boden, specifically the Stamford Wool-Blend Blazer–I have and really like the coordinating pants. That’s lucky size(s) only at this point, but the Stamford texture blazer has much wider availability and also looks like a good possibility.
Have you tried the regular JCrew schoolboy blazer?
Do you see one in this color?
There’s no color in the post?
Fuschia
“in Sweet Fuchsia tweed”
“in this particular color (I’m definitely not a dusty/mauvey person)”
Okay ladies, I haven’t had coffee yet. I am just trying to help, JCrew sells that style in their regular line too so it’s the easiest place to look for a dupe. Apologies for missing that and no, I didn’t google for the OP.
Haha, no hard feelings! Regular JC was my first stop, and I was kicking myself that I missed the listing for this color.
If you know your size well, check Posh, Thredup, etc. Here’s one in a 16- https://www.thredup.com/featured/204147022?department_tags=women&referral_context=google_pmax_pla&referral_code=adwords_pla&iv_=__iv_p_1_a_19996903908_g__c__w__n_x_d_c_v__l__t__r__x_pla_with_promotion_y_8908102_f_online_o_201566504_z_US_i_en_j__s__e__h_9060373_ii__gg_6469053364_vi__&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17943484292&gbraid=0AAAAADCdW5BaKJ2R0KMBDNqdxKIy1cVz8&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5friroH0jwMVbHJHAR1PiSgxEAQYAyABEgKS3vD_BwE&featured_item=204147022&text=Tailored%20hot%20pink%20blazer%20with%20two%20front%20pockets%20and%20gold%20buttons
Ooo, thank you! For that price, I’m willing to have it tailored.
I hope you’re the one who just bought it! I just went back to look at the link because now I want one for myself and see it sold :)
Yes indeed! :) Maybe they will bring back this color? I love how cheery it is, especially once winter drab starts to set in.
There are a lot of new or used options on resale sites. Poshmark is my go to for something like this. You may not find the exact blazer, but there are a lot of “bright pink” or “hot pink” blazers out there.
https://hobbs.com/us/product/clare-wool-jacket/0225-4402-1049L00-BRIGHT-PINK.html
How does Hobbs run for sizing on blazers at the 12/14/16 range?
This is divine.
The Uniqlo round mini shoulder bag (a crescent-shaped nylon bag) still seems to be trending.
What (small?) casual bag are we wearing now? I’m in the diaper bag stage of my life, but I’d like to carry – small bag for my wallet and phone. What has replaced that ubiquitous lululemon bag?
I’ve never been good at trends (wearing a fanny pack across my chest) so I remain loyal to my Chloe Mini Marcie saddle crossbody in tan. it’s a solid bag for phone keys wallet, casual enough, neutral for all outfits.
I’m also in the diaper bag stage and I have and like the Dagne Dover Ace belt bag for this
for going THAT light, I’m more likely to just carry my phone in my pocket. Add a pocket on the back for your ID if you’re driving. You can pay with your phone most places, and the stack of misc. cards otherwise in your wallet you can either have in your phone’s “wallet” (like store loyalty cards) or on apps (health insurance cards).
if one level up, like I want phone, keys, Chapstick, sunglasses case, cute crossbody styles are just too practical to give up, even if small shoulder bags (the revamp of the 2000s baby bags) are trendier.
I am still seeing the Clare V Moyen Messenger, which has both a shoulder strap and a crossbody strap, everywhere. There is a smaller version, rather ironically called the “petit moyen,” but the original size is so versatile and not at all bulky.
Now that the LLL belt bag is for 8-year-olds, I am seeing adults replacing it with the Baggu crescent bag.
I have a couple Coach leather camera bags that I love for just keys, phone, wallet.
I still use that lululemon belt bag for mom activities like the playground, etc. Otherwise I have a smaller crossbody bag from Quince.
Portland Leather has some great options.
I like my small camera bag from Madewell that has held up well for several years now. I like that I can wear it crossbody or over my shoulder and it is a little more polished than a nylon fanny/crossbody bag.
That Madewell bag is a workhorse in this category and always makes me feel a little more pulled together.
I have the Tassel from Apatchy London, which is a camera bag (I think-not 100% sure I have the lingo right), that I love because the strap goes on for days. I always wear cross-body and like it long at my hip, not at my waist, and a lot of crossbody straps are not that long. It comes in a multitude of color and strap combinations, and there is a mini-Tassel as well. I keep my phone, wallet, keys, a pen and maybe a Kindle in it and have plenty of room left. Full-zip also.
I’ve seen moms wearing the Clare V Moyen Messenger as an elevated alternative to the lululemon bag. It’s cute
I have a couple crossbody phone wallets. Basically a phone holder on a strap with a pocket for keys and a lipstick.
I bought a Bostanten small, crossbody, sling bag for $25 for a vacation this summer. Mine is cream with brown and gold accents. I’ve been using it for casual outings, and I receive a ton of compliments on it.
It seems small, but there’s plenty of room for my phone, a small wallet (or the front pocket has a spot for a license and a couple of cards), keys, sunglasses, and epipen. I usually wear it slung around one shoulder, not as a crossbody.
It’s only fashionable in certain circles, but I like my cotopaxi hip bag, more often slung over my shoulder or cross body than worn fanny pack style.
My Lo & Sons Pearl is a workhorse and has great organization.
I love my Pearl and own it in two colors. It is great for travel and I change out the straps depending on fashion and how I want to use it. I have one that has been in regular use for eight years and it looks new. It is not trendy at all but it is a workhorse.
I also love the Pearl. If you want something even smaller, the Lo & Sons Waverly comes in two sizes and is great too.
I have Tuesday off from about 930 to 2. I’m lacking inspiration for a way to occupy myself. What would you do?
Hot yoga class or workout class, coffee and reading in a cute coffee shop, errands that are generally a pain to do on weekends. Maybe a nail appointment or lunch with a friend.
Daytime movie. Sneak in your favorite sandwich or carryout lunch, some kind of a bakery treat. Bonus if you can find a theatre with reclining seats.
Massage or haircut for me probably. Or visit an art gallery depending on how close that is to you. Or a movie, if theaters have morning showtimes in your area.
$90 for a cotton/modal turtleneck? That seems honestly absurd! Too bad, because I love the color.
Is Talbots one of those places where you’ll never actually pay the “full price”? They have 40% off right now, and even if you don’t add any code at all it automatically gives you 30% off.
It is if you are patient. They usually have 25% off at the beginning of the season for a few days and bigger sales later. Also watch for free shipping and points multiplier days.
Opinions on couples therapy?
(I’m being a little pot stirring-y here in that I’m truly interested in the unadulterated opinions and experiences of wide range of people. Thank you!)
This is not specific to couples’ therapy, but I have dealt with multiple individual therapists for various family members. At least 50% of therapists out there are actively harmful, and fewer than 25% are actually useful. Be very cautious.
And at least 72.5% of stats are pulled out of asses.
lolol
I think if you are both committed to working it out and believe in therapy it can really help. It can help you communicate better with each other and generally fighting with a witness means you play fair. It will not work if one wants a divorce already, thinks therapy is a sham or you guys are past the point of no return.
It is dangerous if there is a power imbalance in the relationship or one partner is manipulative.
Yes to 9:52 a.m. My number one rule on couples therapy (which is supported by the research) is “don’t do it with an abuser.” They will take the opportunity to beat up on you further in the therapy sessions and you end up feeling way worse than when you started. Signed, been there, done that.
+1 I posted below and it’s moderation.
Holy hairballs it was an experience.
I’m late to this but +1 million. My ex used therapy to make himself try to look good. I felt very vindicated when we finally split and he stormed out of our post divorce mediation session while I cried on the couch and the therapist gave me a hug and said “you know, I’m not really supposed to say this, but you made the right decision” [to leave him].
The only people I have ever known who partook in couples therapy are divorced.
When we sought couples therapy, several therapy groups explicitly required that we agree that divorce was on the table before proceeding with therapy. It kind of gave the impression that that would be their go-to solution.
I think there’s a certain kind of therapist that likes to simplify their job by isolating variables (unfortunately the variables can be our friends and family!).
I suspect that couples that do therapy and stay together don’t talk about it. And couples that do therapy and divorce, mention it to prove that they tried everything before splitting up.
Did a ton of it in the marriage that ended in divorce.
Have not once ever felt even the slightest need for it in the marriage that hasn’t.
That being said, I would do it if we were doing it to co-process a major tragedy or loss. I think parallel processing of a massive shared trauma is very different than what people typically use couple’s counseling for and is probably likely to be effective.
I’ve been thinking of doing this after a very unexpected and tragic family loss, but I also have no idea how to find anyone good after such bad experiences in the past. A friend who went through a different tragic loss years ago said that at the time, she just tried one after another until finally finding someone good.
You might search for a family grief counselor. I know they’re out there.
Also, I’m sorry for whatever you’re going through!
Thanks! I hope we can get to a better place one way or another. Hopefully a family grief counselor would at least not lead with the “are you open to divorce?” line of questions.
Seems like the relationship equivalent of a PIP based on my circle.
See my post on discernment therapy below. It was absolutely a marriage PIP and tbh that scared my husband into sobriety. Should it have gotten to that point? No, but I’m grateful he was willing to realize it, change, and attone for his behavior up until then. There was a LOT of resentment I carried so individual therapy was enormously helpful for me as well.
Last stop on the road to splitsville. A functioning relationship shouldn’t require a mediator. If you cannot communicate with each other the relationship is doomed. I say this having gone with exes, and it never being anything remotely necessary with my husband. He had the same experience. Perhaps we picked up a tip or two, but honestly nothing more than I’d read in a women’s magazine article about fighting fair or something.
PS – I also think it’s something people often need to do so they can say they tried everything before getting divorced.
We used some couples therapy type frameworks to facilitate our own discussions. We both agreed we wanted to work through things, and that a therapist wouldn’t help things (we are by and large not therapy people and we do fight fair).
We did ‘discernment therapy’ and then about a year of couples therapy after we jointly decided not to divorce. It was helpful but only because my husband separately committed to individual therapy and got/stayed sober. I was also fully prepared to walk away (had lawyers ready, he agreed to separate finances and a post-nup), so he had a strong incentive.
What is discernment therapy?
this is a timely question as this past weekend i visited with my college girlfriends and this topic came up. according to my friend’s couples therapist, for most couples it is a final step before divorce…however, that is not what it needs to be. my friend and her spouse have a lot of complicated things in their lives and so they started seeing a couples therapist to help them communicate. for them, it is akin to seeing a personal trainer to help you improve your fitness, not because you can’t look up and figure out how to do exercise routines on your own. DH and I did couples therapy 9+ years ago.
A family member who is a stay at home mom had couples therapy with her husband after kids, when she realized she’d be stepping away from the workforce. They weren’t on the road to divorce, but needed help figuring out how to keep their relationship equitable. They have good things to say about couples therapy, but I think they used it when their relationship was healthy and relatively stable.
I have a few couple friends that speak highly of it. One couple started it while engaged as a preemptive way to learn better communication tools. They go maybe once a year now and treat it like a marital check-up. Another couple was arguing about a specific topic and it had taken over their marriage. They came to a compromise during therapy sessions and haven’t gone back several years later.
But if you’re already on the brink of divorce I can see it being a way to tell yourself “We tried everything” before acting on a decision you’ve already made.
Truly terrible, but at least it gave us a common enemy at a stressful time in our lives!
I hated couple’s therapy!! I loved my husband more when he immediately agreed not to keep going. We had the same old fights with a witness who hardly resolved anything. It was excruciating and made me feel hopeless. Therapist stirred the pot and then, oops the hour is up. Byeeee while you go cry your eyes out on the drive home.
I think it can be a great tool, actively harmful, and everything in between.
I had a really difficult situation with my mother in law. It was feeling almost impossible to have a civil relationship. So my husband came to my therapist and we worked together for a plan to navigate it. It was incredibly helpful. But I’m not sure that’s the same as couples therapy.
I’ve heard of good experiences from people who were dating and who later got married and are still happily married. I think it was more “okay this is getting serious and we have some baggage to work out if we’re going to commit” and so maybe it was an occasion for working through some of those things?
We did pre-marriage counseling which I thought was actually quite helpful in terms of looking at our conflict styles, what our goals were, etc. (Our Episcopal Church required it.)
At middle age, I feel like we have some communication problems but I am skeptical that a marriage counselor would help. Frankly, I think a marriage counselor would side with him because he’s an above-average spouse and parent who doesn’t think anything is wrong or worth changing.
I know nothing on this topic, but I’ve often wondered if we should look for something more like “relationship coaching” or “mediating” verses therapy. Something where the issue was more here’s a distinct problem (money management, communication, household responsibilities, etc.) and let’s work through it to figure out a plan that works for both parties. (e.g., the counselor helps the couple create a budget they can both agree to or lay out all of the household duties and split them up or understand what sort of communication works and doesn’t work).
Maybe that’s already the standard and I just don’t know it, but “therapy” tends to bring to mind that we both sit around and talk about our problems, which may or may not actually help fix them.
I mean, that is what therapy is, most people have just already made up their minds that it’s something useless instead.
I’ve never had a therapist offer practical coaching. Maybe that’s a special type of therapy that exists?
My husband and I are in couples therapy right now, and basically our whole reason was wanting to make sure we were working on communication in new ways (we’ve been together for nearly 30 years, married for 27). Our therapist (who is just ok, really, but still useful) described it as wanting to make sure that we updated our manuals for understanding each other. It has been super helpful. We’ve been going every other week all summer, and I think we’ll be wrapping up by the end of the year. Really recommend doing this kind of relationship tune-up if your insurance will pay for it. (I do think it also helped that we both started individual therapy at the beginning of the year.)
wow. i’m not the original poster but i’m surprised by how many of you think it’s a last ditch before divorce. i wonder how comfortable you and your circle are with therapy in general, is that the variable? i leave in a woody allen type of Ny where people all have been in therapy alone so going together may be less of a statement. Additionally, i have a friend who has a very strong marriage (she says and i believe her) but they have a kid with incredibly complicated needs and they use the therapy as a place mainly to discuss that….
I also live in a very therapy-happy world and both my husband and I have benefited a lot from individual therapy at times, but I actually do feel differently about couple’s therapy. As someone said above, I can very much see how it would help with parallel processing of a trauma, but other than that…I guess I would say that we have difficult conversations openly on our own, even at times when we’ve had some other problems, so it just seems kind of superfluous? We did a couple of sessions of premarital counseling with our officiant before we got married, and the conversations we had there were just way less helpful and deep than those that we’d have just the two of us on the same topics.
Quite comfortable, went to individual therapy for a few years, did couples therapy in a prior bad relationship. Learned along the way that the issue is often the other person and your lack of compatibility not a mental problem. I married my husband in large part because we so easily clicked and get along and communicate well.
Love individual therapy. Could fight with my ex husband for free at home and didn’t need a third party to facilitate it.
My wife and I have done three stints of couples therapy and I’d consider us generally happily married for 10+ years.
Maybe the difference is that we were both came into it truly willing to change behaviors that were not helpful?
We come from families that have very different approaches to life but we are both committed to the idea of a middle ground. Sometimes we just needed some help implementing the nuts and bolts of what that middle ground actually looked like in reality.
Observational experience (as an adult) with my parents (older boomers). Both of my parents came from high conflict family with a good amount of trauma, love each other but have extremely dysfunctional ways of handling conflict. First therapist was their run of the mill talk therapist and just not equipped to handle the underlying factors. Second therapist was much more productive and had more experience with trauma. That therapist was a jumping off point from them to deal with their individual issues through individual therapy, so that they could handle conflict without reacting like an injured dog constantly. For us, we need pre-marital counseling through our church but with a priest who happened to also be a counselor. I found it helpful in the sense that she helped us navigate some family dynamics and also check the box on conversations that needed to be had. So, short version, it can be helpful or not, but both parties need to be invested and individual therapy is normally a component.
We did premarital counseling, and learned a lot of useful tools and communication strategies, nearly ten years ago now. We’ve discussed doing couples counseling when there were discrete issues popping up, but my spouse wound up continuing with their own counseling and we used tools we had. I think it can be very useful when navigating specific issues, for us it was different cultural money concerns (I grew up midwest middle class, and spouse grew up in poverty, we both went into biglaw so we had to learn how to talk to each other about money, counseling was super helpful for this!) when the whole relationship is a fight though, I don’t know how it can help.
My husband and I did a few sessions with a couples therapist about 7 years ago when our second kid was a toddler and our relationship just felt a bit off-track. Divorce was not on the table but we needed help communicating. We both come from families who don’t talk about feelings and where opening up/being vulnerable isn’t done. I think it gave us the right tools to communicate better (definitely not perfectly). Together 20 years; married 18; generally quite happy and can now more quickly recover from the conflicts when they occur. It’s not really something our circle of friends talks about, so I’m not sure if other couples use therapists. I wouldn’t have perceived it as last-stop-before-divorce given our experience and mindset going into it.
That sounds like a great use of couples therapy. Based on a small sample size of people in my life, it’s been useful when both people have good intentions and things aren’t to the point of even considering divorce. It has not been as useful when there are unhealthy relationship dynamics and at least one of the people involved is halfway out the door.
If you probably should get divorced, but there is no violence, cheating etc., and are absolutely committed not to divorcing, I think it can be incrementally helpful.
I feel the same way about couples therapy as I do about normal therapy – most therapists suck and if the problem is an actual material problem (health, not enough money, abuse, etc.) then even a good one can’t help you. But if you’re trying to improve your communication around topics or want to talk through situations (and the therapist doesn’t suck) then it can be nice. The longer you wait to do therapy the more likely it is to be unhelpful/difficult to change things.
I did post divorce coparent counseling. It was a very difficult and hard experience for me as it slowly evolved into my realization that I was being abused by my ex husband. The gaslighting and manipulation was very real. Not just of me but of the therapist.
The therapist figured it out but not before they made me apologize to him. I was so upset that I forced to apologize and to this day I am not sorry for anything I did during our marriage. I was a good wife and mother to our children. He did the absolute bare minimum to contribute and sat there telling the therapist he was the victim. Apparently I was controlling and this stripped him of his confidence and self worth.
I never abused him. He is a covert narcissist and the coercive control has shifted from me to the children now I have removed myself. It’s been a horrific experience to see him manipulate the children and manipulate the younger two children to attack the eldest child. The eldest hates their father and the younger two have been so manipulated they can’t tell up from down.
The therapist in question did a good job. She eventually kicked him out of the therapy and switched to helping me build boundaries to protect myself and the children.
yesterday on the nursing school thread in the afternoon, someone thought UPenn was a state school. Wash U is another school that often gets confused with what it actually is (no it is not located in Washington DC or Washington State), and USC has nothing to do with South Carolina. What other colleges often get mixed up?
Miami University (Ohio)
Indiana State/ISU, Michigan (UMich)/Michigan State are the ones I can’t keep straight and I have family who went to all 4 of those schools.
Indiana State and ISU are indeed the same school.
I think she meant IUP
But not to be confused with Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP), which is a state school in Central PA
Where I come from, ISU is Illinois State University.
Where I come from ISU is Iowa State University
Iowa State for me too
Actually, they aren’t. There is IU – Indiana University, with its primary campus located in Bloomington, and ISU – Indiana State University, located in Terre Haute.
I’m a Washington and Lee grad. People think it’s WashU all the time. Or William and Mary, and it doesn’t help that I also have a degree from there.
Also a General, and so used to people thinking I went to William & Mary.
And people outside of Virginia think W&M is private.
Mary Washington alum chiming in also with relatives who think it’s W&M! I’m flattered but no.
University of Miami (Florida) and Miami University (Ohio).
People in the South associate USC with South Carolina. As a northerner I went to an SEC school and was very confused when I thought we were playing against a California team.
Skidmore and Swarthmore.
Vanderbilt and Vassar.
Bennington and Bard.
people don’t realize Rutgers is public, or University of Richmond is private.
i know Univ of Richmond is private, but often forget. Same thing with Miami, people often think it is public. Vanderbilt and Vassar could not possibly be more different
Seriously. Who is confusing Vandy and Vassar?
I don’t know anything about either Vanderbilt or Vassar (except that my NY friend went to Vassar and seems to have a tight knit group of friends from her days there), so I’m curious to learn how they couldn’t be more different?
Vandy is a bigger southern university in a major city (Nashville). D1 athletics, sports are big, Greek life is huge (I think >80% of students participate), students are smart but also almost all from wealthy/privileged backgrounds, pretty conservative politically for a selective school, a lot of celebrity kids go there.
Vassar is a hippy liberal arts college in small town upstate New York, originally all-women and now co-ed but still more than 60% women, VERY left-leaning, no Greek life, students are smart but not interested in social climbing or the corporate rat race, D3 athletics that are pretty much a complete afterthought.
Both very solid schools academically but “couldn’t be more different” is pretty apt.
Yup. I’m a spider. People has assumed is just like UVA..
I’ve never met a person from circles that value education mix up those schools…
Miami of Ohio.
And really people dont call it UPenn, just Penn.
yup, only the people who don’t really know call it UPenn, or if you’re my grandmother and you call it “U of P,” but everyone who goes there calls it Penn
The only one I understand is the two USCs, because both South Carolina and Southern California use USC … so if someone says they went to USC it’s reasonable to ask which one.
But, until wealthy northern kids started going to SEC schools (idk why) ~ 15 years ago, USC absolutely meant Southern California in my NE circles.
Now it seems like every third person I know has a kid who graduated from a 50k/year prep school and is now at an SEC school. I do not get the appeal. Part of me thinks they have just lit their money on fire paying for prep school, part of me thinks education for the sake of education is extremely valuable and thus it was worth that tuition money. But man, idk.
The issue is that elite northeast schools are so crazy expensive that it doesn’t make much sense to send kids there anymore. They are approaching $100,000 per year, with only need-based aid. It makes a lot more sense to pay full freight, or even get a decent scholarship, at an SEC school that costs half as much.
These are people who are spending 50k a year on high school. The parents can easily pay elite university tuition
Their kids could be on need based aid at the high schools too. I was
If your income is below $250K or so you are going to get a ton of need-based aid at these schools.
+1 our HHI is over $200k and our kid got huge need-based financial aid packages at every private school they got into. Very few people are paying the sticker price.
it’s in part bc the kids want some experience they see on social media, but also college admissions has gotten sooooo competitive, that many of the schools they previously would have considered are too hard to get into
I went to UCLA and now live in the southeast. Every time someone says “USC” I still think they mean what I think of as the “real” USC. The state school is just “South Carolina.”
Another confusing thing is that some people call South Carolina “Carolina,” but I thought that was UNC Chapel Hill.
I just listened to a great podcast that explored this phenomenon: https://podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/the-united-states-is-southern-now/id1346207297?i=1000725374126
University of Chicago and University of Illinois at Chicago
Cornell College and Cornell University
On that point, Cornell and Ithaca College
ha, I grew up in Iowa and was always impressed when people said they went to Cornell because I thought they meant the Ivy. When I was in high school my parents explained to me there was a waaaaay less selective college nearby called Cornell College and everyone I’d met had gone there.
thank you for posting this, it makes people sound so ignorant when they say things like “Nursing is usually the most competitive major at State U. I guess Penn is different?”
One of my biggest blind spots in adult life was how differently people feel about education and that not everyone knows the difference between Penn and Penn State.
Funny because I read that to mean that the poster was recognizing UPenn was a private school, and thus different from the generic state school or schools she was familiar with.
+1. I do not think the poster thought that Penn was a state school.
+2
I don’t know why she’d be surprised that nursing at Penn isnt one of its most competitive programs then.
No shade at all to Penn nursing (I have several friends who are alumnae!), but obviously it’s not the most competitive program.
If I can admit my own ignorance here, perhaps she was unfamiliar with an Ivy League school having a nursing program? Because, again this is my ignorance, but the nurses I know do not have Ivy undergrad degrees. In my mom’s generation they had extremely local degrees and I’m not entirely sure they were all four year degrees. Again, admittedly my ignorance not trying to hurt feelings here. I think the world of nurses but the ones I know had worked and the earned more degrees in the midst of their careers so their undergrad was maybe less important.
Same
It’s funny, this board is so snobby about some things but oddly not about education?
Sure, public high school and State U are fine. But that’s what they are – just fine. It’s average, so the outcomes will be average. That’s not wrong or bad, but that’s certainly not something to strive for.
And yet, people jump down your throat if you say you want differently for your kid.
Who is jumping down anyone’s throat over this? I must have missed it.
Less than half of Americans have a bachelor’s degree, so for many families, a going to a State U is something they strive for, especially the flagship school in their state.
I very much get that for most Americans. I don’t get that mindset from this group.
I agree. It’s weird to me, and people get really defensive about it.
In high school, if you have an AP course that kids need teacher permission to enroll in, of course it’s going to be taught at a higher level, with higher expectations, than the level 2 or level 3 courses. Teachers with sterling credentials are able to land jobs in leafy suburbs, with attendant benefits.
If you play sports at a D1 school, of course the coaching and competition are at a higher level than an intramural team.
Yet if you ever draw an obvious analogy to higher ed (i.e., classes at elite universities can be taught at a higher level, with higher expectations, and with professors who are tops in their field), people go nuts.
Yes!
I agree with some posters, and that if your child is a shining star, they will be a shining star in most places, yes the ceiling at great schools is higher than the ceiling at a middling school, but it’s not insurmountable. For me where I think the huge value add is that the floor at these great schools is just so much higher than at the average schools.
You know how a rising tide lifts all boats? That’s what happens at these schools… I went to a really good private school in the Philadelphia area and the “dumb” kids went to Penn State main campus. Every year we sent more kids to Penn than to Penn State.
And look, I’m the one who values education for the sake of education. Well, yes, great schools can get you into great colleges, which can lead to great jobs and good connections. I think there’s a huge value in just learning for the sake of learning. Which is going to be happening jn schools with class sizes of 12, where not only is there no tolerance for disruptive behavior that distracts from learning, but there’s also not even tolerance for kids who aren’t showing up and putting in the work every day. Even the class clown was focused on learning!
There are truly great professors everywhere as far as I can tell (maybe because the job market is so rough that some of my better professors ended up leaving academia if they didn’t get a tenure track position in time to settle down!). In higher ed I think it’s classmates that vary more by school, which of course people are going to get defensive about if it’s potentially their own privileged kids squandering their opportunities there (but this is a high name recognition school problem as well as a pay-to-play low recognition school problem).
People are probably jumping down your throat for wrongly implying that public high school and State U will produce an average outcome for their child which is “not something to strive for.” You very clearly think that you are superior for “want[ing] differently for your kid.” Your superiority complex drips off the page. And on top of that, your take is so reductive it’s laughable.
By and large, the Ivy League does not mean the best and brightest. It means the elite. Rich kids go there. That’s why this board isn’t snobby about education.
Nothing will teach you this lesson more than attending one of these schools. I went to Harvard Law School. Yes there were some very smart people there, but mostly it was very well prepared people– students who had been to prep schools, ivy colleges, high-level networked first jobs (parent connections), and legacy legacy legacy legacy. Believe me when I say that some of the laziest, dumbest dumb dumbs I have ever met graduated from Harvard Law School.
Tell me that you couldn’t get into an Ivy without telling me.
I went to a state school for undergrad and got into Penn for law school but couldn’t afford it. I ended up with a full ride at lower ranked school. I’m a GC at private company now and am happy with where my life ended up.
I know your elitism is all you have. I’m sorry to inform you, it’s not worth much.
i went to Columbia for law school and while i went to a lower ranked ivy for undergrad, i often felt like the dumbest one in the room in law school. many of my professors were brilliant – clerked for supreme court justices, had JDs + PhDs, worked in the White House, etc. obviously not all of my classmates were geniuses, but i remember calling my mom after the first day of classes telling her i was for sure the dumbest one in the room. Yes, rich kids go to ivy league schools, but so do some very very very smart ones, especially when you are there for grad school.
I went to a state school for undergrad, and my law professors also clerked for SCOTUS, had JDs + PhDs, and worked for the White House (not sure if that is a sign of prestige anymore). I also worked for a great international law firm and paid off my loans in just a few years, then worked in a national nonprofit. And I have met lots of people who are smarter than me, and lots who are dumber. It’s just a school, nothing more or less. What you do with it is what matters.
Eh, I know smart, well-educated people who get U. Penn and Penn State mixed up. For certain fields, U. Penn just isn’t that significant, especially on the West Coast.
I would expect an MBA or lawyer to know the difference. For a software engineer who decided between Stanford and MIT for college, knowing the difference between Penn State and U. Penn might just be a class signifier.
This right here.
Miami (Florida) and Miami (Ohio)
The University of Miami vs Miami University.
If someone just says Miami, I can see the confusion (like USC). But, using full names, context clues, geography, etc make it easy to figure out.
Re USC… I agree that the University of Southern California and the University of South Carolina can easily get mixed up, but they are actually both referred to as USC.
Also Oregon and Ohio both have a OSU.
And Ohio has an OSU and an OU (go bobcats!).
Hah. My husband went to Colgate, I went to Middlebury and then Penn for my masters.
People act like Colgate and Middlebury must be some crap school since they don’t know it. But they act like I redeemed myself by going to Penn… which they think is Penn State.
They’re judging us for not going to State U when jokes on them for not even being in the know to know about our schools.
Yup. I’m the W&L/W&M poster above. My in laws have never heard of those schools so assume they’re not good.
The niece who’s going to Penn State though? They’re SO PROUD and she’s done SO well to get in to such a GREAT school.
Elite liberal arts colleges are truly a matter of if you know, you know.
Ha, this Davidson College grad is nodding her head. Used to be, everyone asked if that was the same as Davidson County CC, now everyone asks if I was there when Steph played (no and no).
Ok this is eerily similar for me!
I went to Lehigh and would get asked if I meant Penn State Lehigh Valley (no…). Then if they know Lehigh University I get asked if I went there when CJ McCollum did (yes!)
Its wild to me that in the Philly suburbs people’s first thought is Penn State LV instead of Lehigh University.
I assure you that people outside of your bubble who haven’t heard of those schools don’t consider them “good schools.” I’m sure they are, but the name only means something to people in certain circles. For most people, where you got your degree only matters in your first job out of college. Ivies and other prestigious schools are different, but second and third tier liberal arts schools like this? Nah.
If you think Colgate, Middlebury, W&L or W&M are second or third tier, you’re showing your ignorance.
Yes. A degree from one of those schools is like a row Margaux bag. The point is you don’t need everyone to know what it is; it’s not flashy. It is the quiet luxury of smart people undergraduate degrees.
Obviously im kidding because the only hate not how schools work but only half kidding because I’d have loved to have gone to one of those schools and would love my kids to go to one.
*kidding because that’s not how schools work!
See why I didn’t get into Colgate?
But, I mean … they kind of are. Middlebury is sort of bottom of the barrel of NESCAC schools. For kids who couldn’t get into Amherst or Williams.
Colgate, middlebury, and W&L are top 20 liberal arts colleges. They are 3 of the most prestigious colleges in the nation. To claim they are second and third tier only shows that you are not in the know. And that’s fine, but you sound silly here.
That’s the point I’m trying to make – you sound silly to folks who aren’t “in the know” about these schools. They really don’t know anything about them, as it’s not relevant to their lives.
I mean I don’t care if you’re not familiar with Middlebury, I know it was a good school and Penn’s graduate admissions knew it was a good school and a few hiring managers have and that’s all I need.
But it’s funny when people act like I went to Kutztown when I went to Midd.
yea but then you should just keep your mouth shut, bc if you aren’t in the know, comments like that just make you sound ignorant. people in general should be better about admitting when they dont know something.
I agree with Anon at 11:10 on this point.
I don’t think anyone is trying to hurt your feelings, Anon at 11:21. I know people spend lots of time and money there, and I’m sure the experience is great for people who attended. But if you’re not in the know, it’s some vague blurry category where they seem on par with hundreds of other similar sounding colleges. I don’t think there’s a point in pretending otherwise.
@11:21, your fervor for “elite” schools seems misaligned with your lack of punctuation and grammar.
If you don’t know anything about those schools, why would you open your mouth and be wrong about them?
I truly don’t understand this mentality. People who admit that they didn’t even bother applying to elite schools, don’t have friends who went to those schools, don’t even bother knowing which ones are exceptional, somehow are also experts on those schools.
Astonishing.
… the bubble that knows and cares about these schools is not small. It’s anyone who cares about education om the east coast. And beyond.
It’s a big bubble. I think for me, the most important part of being in that bubble is we know that the highest echelons exist. At lower ranked schools, top companies don’t recruit. Odds are good that a senior at a lower ranked school doesn’t even know that Bain exists. Maybe they wouldn’t like working there anyway! But the point is that they don’t even know what they don’t know. Being in the bubble gives us more choices, because we know what those choices are.
I chose to become a prosecutor, and my fancy law degree doesn’t really matter there. But I had options that my colleagues from lower ranked schools never had, and never even knew about. That, to me, is the value of an elite education.
If a school is in the US News & World Report rankings, I think it’s hard to argue that’s somehow obscure to people who care about higher ed.
11:50, I could not agree with you more!
Elite education opens so many doors, giving students the CHOICE of what to do.
I work in government, I don’t need my fancy degree but I’m glad I have it because of the choices it exposed me to.
My best friend did her BSN and NP degrees at Penn. The job options she had as a new RN were wildly different than the options my cousin had coming out of DeSales with her BSN.
My husband worked for a Big 4 company right out of undergrad – his school was good enough to open doors to the Big 4 but not good enough to open doors to MBB.
I don’t think anyone reads US News & World Report rankings unless they are applying to schools or work in higher ed. The average hiring manager is likely not keeping up with them.
this is hilarious to me, but as a Penn alum, who recalls going shopping at Bed Bath and Beyond before college and the person who worked there asked me “which campus” after I responded to their question asking where i was going to school…people are just dumb
Yup…
I had a friend growing up and we were both very academically oriented and I went to private school and she went to a fine but not incredible public school. I end up going to Penn and she went to Rowan and I went to go visit her a few times and definitely ran into the “are you at main campus?” question. I also had a few friends of hers say things like why would you spend that much money on college? You’re getting the same education as we are (nothing against Rowan, but the education was not comparable to Penn).
I have a good job, all of my college friends have good jobs, we like what we do, and we can afford the lives we want (even after paying student loans). I think some people (like the ones who didn’t see the value in paying for Penn) think I didn’t live up to my potential because I don’t make a ton of money because I work in government. In fact, most of my Penn friends aren’t making a ton of money (sure, some did finance or are doctors or in Big Law, but plenty went the PhD route and are researchers, two are now Nurse Practitioners, one is in public health, two are teachers).
My friend wanted to be a PT, she’s now a receptionist at a doctor’s office. Most of her friends have jobs that didn’t require their degrees.
The difference in attitude among the two colleges, only 45 minutes apart, is astounding.
There’s nothing wrong with either path, as long as you’re able to make the life you want for yourself.
Yikes to calling somebody working retail “dumb” for being friendly and supportive to somebody going to college in a way that showed they were thinking of a different university.
i didnt think the person was dumb, but more like if you aren’t totally sure about something, don’t comment on it at all. i actually love that I went to Penn (or at least I used to be proud Penn alum prior to fall of 2023) largely bc it doesn’t come with the same assumptions of other ivy league schools bc people do confuse it with other schools. like anytime i meet a harvard alum, they just say that they went to school in the boston area bc they don’t want the stereotypes that come along with going to “harvard” and while i fully realize Penn is not even close to Harvard (i never could’ve gotten in there in a million years), i kind of like that i dont get the same looks.
Your standard for polite conversation is that someone must be “totally sure” before they ask a question or make a comment? A person in a customer service role was being nice to you. Get over yourself.
Good lord this is elitist and rude. Confusing two schools does not mean that someone is dumb.
Honestly I feel this too. I went to a not so elite liberal arts school so it’s reasonable that no one’s heard of it. As an aside I’m a firm believer in liberal arts education so that’s probably coloring my take on this.
Anyway, it seems like sports are the most important factor in education for a lot of people. I’m not talking about for athletes but just that it has a big football or basketball program seems extremely important for kids and parents of non athletes. Even wealthy sophisticated people seem to favor big and sporty state schools when deciding on schools for their kids. Being from New York and not having our own sporty flagship l, this seems strange to me. We have excellent suny undergraduate schools. Why not go to a great in state state school and save money? Why not go to a private school where at least you’re not paying more than the in state kid next to you? I get that there are upsides and it seems fun to go to a school like that but sports and name recognition don’t necessarily rank very high in my personal list of priorities.
My husband went to a big state u in another state and we ended up at the same law school. And even with their flashy sports teams he’ll admit my college experience seems more fun than his. So it looks like a total wash now that out of state tuition at these schools is sky high except he has a college football team to root for, which I guess counts for a lot more than you’d think.
It counts for networking, that’s about it, but it means a lot. Sports based tribalism is healthier for society than a lot of other varieties.
I have an engineering degree from Purdue and have corrected many people over the years who think it is a small, private college, not a huge state university.
Or spelled Perdue like the chicken.
(Hi from another boilermaker!)
Williams College and William and Mary. All the time.
But Williams doesn’t even have a steely dan song? ;)
Oh wow. Those seemed like very, very different institutions when I was an undergrad, and I assume they still do today!
I’m surprised how many people don’t know that Rice is a good university or have the foggiest idea of where it is. Others confuse it with Duke or with small liberal arts colleges in the Southeast like Davidson, Elon, Sewanee, etc.
I’m a northeast WASP with strong thoughts on academics and I’m always surprised when folks don’t know Rice.
Frankly, I think a lot of this is geography but it’s lazy to not know good schools just because they’re not in your region. Just because we’re in New England doesnt mean we shouldn’t know Rice or Claremont McKenna or Macalester or W&L or Emory.
I’m in my second career as a teacher at my alma mater, I use Rice as an example for my kids all the time! I know some kids who want a good school and want to get away from the East Coast and I always encourage them to look at Rice! Especially the ones interested in engineering or STEM!
“It’s lazy to know schools not in your region”is a wild take
There’s a lot to know in this world. The names of a regional university do not need to make the cut! I’m a little busy engaging in local, national and world politics but ok ;)
When New England acts like there aren’t any noteworthy academic institutions elsewhere, that’s politically problematic as well as nearsighted in other ways.
I work with a lot of Penn and Penn State grads. I always find it funny when a Penn grad gets so insulted when someone thinks they went to Penn State. I would take a Penn State grad over a Penn grad any day. The arrogance of most Penn grads is shockingly unwarranted.
I am aware of one really good example of that who currently lives in WDC but has also spent time living in NYC and Palm Beach. He loves to brag about his degree but he’s just not smart.
;-)
Especially since he transferred in (so much easier than applying as a senior in high school!) AND only has a bachelor’s degree but not the incredibly prestigious MBA (but wants you to think he has the MBA).
Actually, USC can refer to South Carolina, and I am pretty sure it did in that thread in particular.
When I was in my 20s, and lived on the East coast, folks would ask me where I went to college. I told them Stanford. The common reply, after a brief hesitation, was
“… in Connecticut?”
So there’s a Stamford college in Connecticut.
There’s no Stamford College (in CT, there’s one in the UK). There’s a University of Connecticut-Stamford satellite campus but most people would call that UConn Stamford. They’re just saying Stamford because they’re probably more familiar with the city in CT than the university in CA.
Also you’d be surprised even in California how many people call it Stamford not Stanford.
Geez, thanks for correcting my experience.
Who doesn’t know Stanford though?
A lot of people. A lot.
People hear things and don’t always know the correct spelling if they haven’t seen it written.
The vast majority of people have some awareness of Stanford, but many of them think it’s spelled Stamford because they’ve only heard it said and have never seen it written.
Wellesley and Wesleyan (both small, only one is a women’s college). Less common than it used to be given Varsity Blues and other scandals, but people do conflate/mix up USC and UCLA, especially East Coast people.
Pomona College (in Claremont) and Cal Poly Pomona. Also, being from California, whenever I hear FSU I think of Fresno State but often it means Florida State.
what are you wearing to a cute casual event now that it is fall but still hot (where I am)? Have a thing at my kids school. Two weeks ago I would have worn a long skirt and a tank top. 20 degrees cooler and I’d wear jeans and cute sneaker with a tshirt and sweater. What is your fall-y option for when it’s so warm?
Something like this or the ‘clifton’ dress. Essentially a shirt dress or swingy a-line dress to the knees with longer sleeves. Bare legs and either cute flats or sneakers depending on how dressy you want to be.
https://tnuck.com/products/winetasting-crepe-callahan-shirt-dress
I like the solution of summer weight clothing in a fall friendly color palette. So a long skirt and tank in brown, olive or black rather than pastels or white. Fwiw I find this happens every fall so I’m happy to have dresses and tanks in these colors for warm fall days.
+1
+1 I just wore a linen dress in black to a warm fall event.
If it is truly hot where you, I would still wear the long skirt and the tank top. I would try to pick ones that read more fall vs. summer.
Linen in dark colors.
Does anyone have a frame TV? We just redid our living room and need an upgrade. I am very attracted to the aesthetic of the tv but wondering if there are any first hand endorsements of it among the hive. TIA!
I have one because we’re tv people and it’s in the room adjacent to my foyer. Ehh. I managed to ruin the screen by leaving a picture up for too long which I thought was the whole point of it? also you have to pay to access the art which is so annoying. And it’s not fooling anyone into thinking it’s a painting. That said I do kind of like picking new art and changing up the room and it is probably preferable to a black screen.
You can upload anything art you want to the frame for free.
Yep. Not worth the extra money IMO. It’s not very good at being a TV, and the remote is AWFUL.
In contrast, the aesthetic difference overrides the tech glitches for me. They aren’t serious enough to make me want an ugly TV – we are always able to watch what we want and when it’s off, it blends into a gallery wall. I love it.
I agree. The Frame is so much sleeker than a regular TV. There’s just one cable coming out of the back instead of a hydra of cables. It doesn’t dominate the room and make it look cheap the way a normal TV does.
I love mine. No issues.
Love mine — friends came over and initially thought it was art work…
Absolutely love my frame TV. You won’t regret it.
Another vote in favor, with the caveat that if you don’t need to hang your tv over the fireplace, then probably not worth it. It’s not fooling anyone that it’s art, but I enjoy it and think it looks much nicer than a regular tv. I’m not someone who cares about technology a lot, though.
R/tvtoohigh
Ours isn’t over the fireplace, and I still love it. It’s neat, sleek, and unobtrusive in the room.
I REGRET buying one. The sound quality is not great.
We have one and like it. No issues with the remote (though ours is from 2022, so that aspect may have changed) and have overall been very happy with its performance as a TV. We had it hung over a couch and had a number of guests not realize it was a TV, and I originally was fooled by someone else’s Frame TV hung over a console table, though YMMV depending on where you put it, what you choose to put on the screen, etc. I really wanted a living room that didn’t feel organized around a TV, and it absolutely solved that problem for us.
Yes, I have thoughts! Husband and I are not TV people, but our main living room wall, which is what you see as soon as you walk in my front door, is the only real place in our house for a TV, so we bought a Frame. BLUF as non-TV people it is perfect for us, but I hate the user interface and the sound is mid.
–especially if you pick a painting with big, textured brushstrokes (I LOVE Erin Hanson’s pieces on the Frame), it can look very much like art unless you stand very close to it. Mine has fooled friends.
–if you’re going to buy it, factor the very expensive bezel (picture frame) into your budget. I think ours was $600, but it seems pointless to buy this TV and not put the bezel on it.
–the remote is horrible, maybe partially because of the bezel (have to point it at a very specific corner of the TV for it to work. I use my phone app, but it’s a pain for the kids
— sound is mid, which is fine for us, but it doesn’t get very loud and speakers would probably help a lot
–make sure you have a place to store the hardware component. Having wires running down the wall below it defeats the purpose. Ours was installed on opposite side of the wall from a closet, and we put the hardware in there.
–you have to pay for the art too. You can buy an individual piece or subscribe to the art store. I do the latter so I can change the painting displayed seasonally.
— I hate the actual user interface of the TV. This may be a Samsung thing more than the specific model, but I find it consuming and very non-intuitive.
My office has some and I don’t get the draw. They are just TVs with screensavers, no? I prefer my TV off when not in use.
My neighbor has one- it’s gorgeous and huge and a gigantic statement in her living room. That said, it’s big enough that you have to sit further back than you’d think, and mounting it was a nail biter even for 2 handymen (they’re less rigid than standard TVs and ginormous).
Honestly, I like my 50″ OLED better…
Yes it is my fave possession
We really like ours! Agree that the sound isn’t great. We solved that by adding a Sonos soundbar.
I have the worst sinus congestion I can remember in a long time. I am completely congested and cannot breathe through my nose at all. I laughed yesterday when I tried using a neti pot because the saline water didn’t come out the other side! Completely worthless, and that’s a new one for me.
I’ve tried sleeping with my head elevated, sudafed (small tiny red pills), mucinex D, staying hydrated, taking steamy showers, and I’m going on day 3 of very little relief.
Any other tried and true home remedies I should try, or should I head straight to urgent care?
You might have an infection and need antibiotics.
At this point, I’m usually at the sinus infection stage and need the prescription meds. Over the counter options you may not have tried are nasal sprays. Afrin is great but only use it for 2-3 days. The ones like Flonaze you can use longer. Is the sudafed the one where you have to show ID? That’s the one that you want to be using.
Be careful with Afrin and decongestants, they can cause a rebound affect and make you more congested.
Someone I know just received a diagnosis of a staph sinus infection. Get this checked!
you also could have covid. i recently had the worst sinus pressure i’ve ever experienced, went to urgetn care to get antibiotics adn they insisted on a covid test first
Currently have Covid and the sinus congestion and pressure is no joke!
You’ve done the self care things. See a doctor, get tested, get treated.
I had this happen after a few colds in a row and ended up going to the ENT and getting scoped. I suspected a sinus polyp, which I’d had about 15 years earlier and generated similar symptoms (and I had surgery to remove). I did not have a polyp or even an infection, but I did have a slightly thinner sinus passage on one side, and getting sick several times without fully recovering basically overwhelmed it. This wasn’t operable, but the ENT recommended double-dosing Flonase for an extended period, and that helped. That said, I wouldn’t just go out and buy Flonase, I would see a doctor – he had a bunch of things that he suspected and wanted to rule out, so it really could be something that needs medical attention.
Agree with the others you should probably see a doctor. As a last-ditch option – eat the spiciest food you can handle and see if that helps.
agree with the others to see a doctor. i always feel like an infection is one of the best things in this case because odds are good with antibiotics you’ll be feeling better in 24-48 hours.
if it for some reason is not an infection, in addition to afrin (only 2-3 days) i would try a heated bruder mask (it’s for eyes but i feel like it helps when congested but YMMV), st olbas oil for smelly, vapo showers, and stuff like that.
DO NOT FLY ANYWHERE WHEN YOU’RE FEELING LIKE THIS.
When I have a sinus infection I make sure to use nose drops rather than spray. The drops are a lot easier to snort into the cheek bone sinus canals. I’m in Europe, but I use one I think might be called Afrin in North America, and a lot of salt water drops and spray as well.
can anyone share any favorite recipes that are for pasta or bakes but do not have red sauce (like marinara)? i like it but it kills me for acid reflux these days.
I made this corn pasta with basil recently and it was really good. Great for the end of summer! https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1018212-creamy-corn-pasta-with-basil
This linguine with Meyer lemon is a standby in our house (I like to add fresh chopped Italian parsley before serving): https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/linguine-meyer-lemon-pasta
Greek pasta pie: https://soulkitchenblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/makaronopita-greek-pasta-pie/
Classic pasta aglio e olio: https://www.babi.sh/recipes/aglioeolio
ooh these look delicious thank you!
Canned pumpkin with shallots or garlic, black pepper, a little nutmeg, parmesan, and cream or butter. Add bacon if it’s not too fatty for you. Roasted acorn squash thinned with pasta water also has a mild flavor and creamy texture. Alternatively make mac and cheese but sub most of the milk and cream for pumpkin/squash.
Roasted butternut squash. You can use the same ingredients as a pumpkin dish or mix it with pesto.
NYT cooking has a recipe for white lasagna with mushrooms.
Cacio e pepe, pasta alla gricia, or carbonara.
I love a lemon caper cream sauce. I don’t have an exact recipe, but it’s chicken broth, lemon juice to taste, minced garlic to taste, oregano/basil/salt to taste, and as much heavy whipping cream as you like for the thickness. I add the capers at the very end, just before serving, and I turn the heat off to allow it to thicken up a bit more.
I usually include grilled chicken or sauteed shrimp, mushrooms, and brussels sprouts with the spaghetti and sauce.
I’ve also done grilled chicken with pasta and added butter, garlic salt, and paprika, and it’s quite simple and flavorful.
Martha Stewart’s Chicken Penne Bake with Sundried Tomatoes.
Boil pasta in a small amount of water. Save extra starchy water. Throw garlic in pan with butter, whisk in whole milk or cream with a healthy amount of hard white cheese and pepper, taste, add salt as needed, thin with remaining starchy water as needed, toss in cooked pasta. It’s somewhere between butter noodles and lazy alfredo.
Classic basil pesto
Carbonara, Alfredo, sage butter, pea and pepper, spinach ricotta, pesto and cream and mushroom.
No tomato lasagnas: spinach, ricotta and pine nut, spinach and blue cheese sauce, kale, feta and olives or mushroom, pepper and creme fraiche.
What is the best 100% cotton tee shirt brand that you love? Looking for a slightly relaxed fit.
Organic Cotton VintageSoft V-Neck T-Shirt
Old Navy Slub Cotton tees. They are just right for me! They’re also generally around ten dollars.
If you want a thicker tee, I swear by Talbots’ pima bateau tees–they are dressy enough for work, very thick/not see through, and they last years and years.
The Wirecutter just updated their recs for tee shirts. It’s a solid list.
the madewell perfect crewneck tee
I work with a lot of Penn and Penn State grads. I always find it funny when a Penn grad gets so insulted when someone thinks they went to Penn State. I would take a Penn State grad over a Penn grad any day. The arrogance of most Penn grads is shockingly unwarranted.
My colleagues mostly graduated from Ivy/overseas equivalents, and it is almost never a topic of conversation outside of first day intro small talk.
I work with a bunch of Ivy grads and their attitude of superiority is appalling. They think they know more about everything than anyone else could possibly know, and refuse to respect anyone else’s expertise even when that expertise comes from a Ph.D. and decades of experience in a field they’ve never studied at all. They also assume they are more intelligent than everyone around them. I am tempted to tell them my LSAT and GRE scores, but that would be petty.
It’s funny because I only see / hear
We are
Penn State
But others get bippy to make sure we all know that UPenn/penn is not that school.
Penn state’s somewhat recent scandal was horrific. It looked like football coaches were allowed to do the unthinkable with support of the students and alums.
I don’t get the pride and I wouldn’t want to be associated with it. The fact that seemingly all penn state alums are still loud and proud is something totally ok to distance yourself from especially if you didn’t even go there!
After the shameful way they handled Paterno I’d damn well make sure people knew I did NOT go to Penn State and didn’t support that school financially.
Right — as a west coaster, that’s basically the only thing I know about Penn State.
I still get a little sick when I hear that chant. They say it’s about football, nevermind the kids. And they mean it. Shameful.
At what point are the students allowed to move on from something no one currently at the university had anything to do with?
After they grapple with it. Which never happened, not even for a moment. They continued to lionize those who facilitated it immediately after finding out. They just kept doing that awful chant. We know exactly who they are.
Shameful.
What should the current students even grapple with? They’re allowed to enjoy football. The perpetrator is in prison. Do you believe people should perpetually atone for the sins of others? Life moves on, even if that reality is painful to acknowledge.
Everyone I work with, including my C suite boss, that’s a Penn Grad is insufferable.
I am a fed (who is off today!), I was already dreading a shutdown. The year has been chaotic enough, this was just going to add to it. Now this administration is telling agencies to prepare for RIFs (permanent layoffs, not temporary furloughs) if there’s a shutdown.
I just want to do my job, help people who need help, and go home with my paycheck. I’ve developed health problems due to the stress of working under this administration. While I still very much believe in my job and its mission, it sucks knowing how much we’ve been unnecessarily limited. Yes, we’re still helping but not as much as before.
I’m committed to sticking it out but dang, I wasn’t prepared to spend my much needed day off sick to my stomach and in tears.
I am very, very sorry. It’s all so damaging. I hope you can take care of yourself today.
Terrible. So sorry!