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Suit of the Week: M.M.LaFleur

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For busy working women, the suit is often the easiest outfit to throw on in the morning. In general, this feature is not about interview suits for women, which should be as classic and basic as you get — instead, this feature is about the slightly different suit that is fashionable, yet professional. Also: we just updated our big roundup for the best women's suits of 2025!

I love this deep color of blue — something about it just feels so much more interesting than the traditional navy.

M.M.LaFleur is calling it “Prussian blue,” and it's in their travel-friendly, machine-washable, wrinkle-resistant fabric, OrigamiTech.

This particular color comes with a blazer, long-sleeved dress, and culottes for $259-$349 — but they have a pretty wide range of products in the OrigamiTech fabric.

It's part of M.M.LaFleur's tiered sale right now — if you spend $500, you can save 15%; if you spend $750, save 20%, and if you spend $1000+, you can save 25%. (You need a code for all of the tiers – SAVE15, SAVE20, or SAVE25.)

Hunting for travel-friendly suits for women? As of 2025, some of our favorites include options from M.M.LaFleur, Talbots, Paul Smith, and Ministry of Supply. Uniqlo occasionally has suiting in their AirSense line.) You may also want to check out our roundup of washable suits for women!

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171 Comments

  1. Lovely suit, though the culottes are a bit silly. I work in state courts and wish I had the budget and need to buy MM La Fleur

    1. I was interested in the dress + blazer combo until I saw that the dress had 3/4 sleeves. I do not want to shove sleeves of that length under a blazer. Short sleeves or no sleeves, please.

  2. Does anyone else have a coworker who clearly uses AI to write everything, even emails to colleagues? My co-worker writes these overly long, formal, overwrought emails using AI that give me such an ick factor. Her photo on LinkedIn is also made with AI. She’s a nice smart person but just comes across like she’s using a constant crutch and appears fake.

    1. Eh, this doesn’t really affect you so not worth thinking about it. Lots of cringey coworkers out there.

    3. I have one colleague who does this. It makes emails overly long. I feel like having to read through them to discover the point of the message is wasting my time. So that’s annoying. On the upside, this colleague otherwise comes across as terse and scolding so the AI emails fix that part.

        1. That’s so true. If I want a response, the email has to be short. Otherwise it’s gotta be a phone call. The only reason to draft a long email is to document that I’ve communicated something. I’m in-house counsel, so maybe that colors my choices here.

        2. can we please tell that to every school administrator I’ve ever dealt with? 4-page-long emails with important info hidden in like the 8th paragraph.

          if i’m sending anything longer than a few sentences of an email to people I try to summarize it at the top of the email and bold important sections. maybe that’s overboard but i appreciate stuff like that.

      3. The even crazier thing is, you can tell AI to make the emails shorter.

        But it would definitely make me respect a colleague less if they were so incompetent that it was obvious that they let AI write their every email.

        If you get a rough draft from ChatGPT and then edit it somewhat yourself, it immediately sounds much less AI. The best use of AI is when you can’t tell it was used.

    4. Sigh. I have to rework a board presentation that our board president clearly used AI to write in its entirety, with no tweaking whatsoever. It looks fine w/ a quick read through, but if you actually think about the substance you realize it’s just not right. I’m beginning to hate AI.

      2. AI is largely BS. It reads fine if you aren’t paying attention, but when you slow down to think about it, you’re like, wait, this is not accurate, this is an exaggerated stance, this is a generic non-statement…. I see it every day at my company.

    5. Yes, and it genuinely undermines my confidence in her. She is the junior-most member on my team and she uses AI to summon and summarize external information that she thinks is relevant to a given scenario, then blasts it to the rest of us as though she is a college professor lecturing the class.

      Unfortunately, the information is almost always not applicable and she just comes across as shouting unnuanced keywords into the void.

      2. OMG, you just described one of my colleagues (but he’s male, so probably not the same person). The walls of text that he generates using AI and then sends out does come across as a lecture!

    6. Huh. I have a colleague who sends overly long and overly formal emails. It didn’t occur to me this could be AI influenced.

    7. Yes, and it definitely damages their reputation in my mind. But not as much as the colleague who sent an all-company email, announcing an initiative that *really sounded* like a program I was responsible for (and that was /not/ ready for broad distro yet). When I went to talk to her about what happened, why wasn’t I in the loop and how do we fix it (a miscommunication between our respective boss’s boss’s was genuinely plausible, and my original assumption); but it turned out… She immediately admitted to writing all her announcement emails with AI, and AI had just decided to tack my project into a different program of hers, because it was “what people want to hear about”. Head to desk.

    8. My company invested in copilot for us to use AI for things like this. If the length annoys you, suggest that she tell her prompt to limit them to 200 words or less.

  3. Would love to hear some favorite memories of books you binged overnight as a kid. But first I wanted to say no shade to the OP this morning, my intention isn’t to stir the pot about that situation! I have a fond memory of reading Clive Barker’s The Thief of Always where a kid experiences all the seasons in a single day in a spooky house. It was a solid mix of magical and scary and I could not put it down. What kept your child self up at night? Please respect that I’m asking only for books, not a rehash of the earlier conversation thank you.

    1. I definitely remember getting new Harry Potter books in and binging those, but I know I did it with lots more than that, too.

      1. Nothing will ever top HP for most 90s/2000s kids. No other book series generated that kind of love and excitement. I can’t wait to see my kid read it for the first time!

      3. I am exactly Harry’s age and there was something so wonderful about the books coming out basically yearly/keeping up with us that way.

        1. I think I’m a couple years older (I was 12 in ‘97, he was 10?) but yeah basically same.

      4. Yup. HP was the big one–I specifically remember going to the midnight release for Goblet of Fire, coming home, and reading until 4am.

        Wish JKR would keep her trap shut so I could still enjoy revisiting those books. Alas.

    2. Boxcar Children, all the Wizard of Oz books, my mom’s Cherry Ames books, those Red and Blue and Lavender Fairy books…

    3. I was a huge reader and loved Harry Potter and many other series, but I actually don’t recall staying up late to read as a child. Maybe because I had so much time to read during the day? I took books to school and then I would come home after school and basically just read nonstop until bedtime. And then of course every summer was just filled with reading. I actually struggle with staying up late reading way more as an adult.

    4. I LOVED this book called Maniac Magee. I stayed up all night in like 4th grade reading it haha. I also really enjoyed The Giver, all of the Boxcar Children books, Island of the Blue Dolphins. As I got older I enjoyed Hemingway and Steinbeck.

    5. So I’m a Binger of Books. But… then I have no memory of them. I have a special shelf in my private GoodReads to keep track of these books because when I start reading something and loving it, then realize I read it before and wonder how that could have happened… if I see them on the read-in-1-day shelf then I know.

      The books I binged as a kid were likely the especially forgettable ones – Anne Rice, Stephen King, Da Vinci Code, etc.

      (And I was grown up when the Harry Potter books came out but I totally read those in a weekend so no one at the office watercooler spoiled anything for me. I don’t remember 80% of the books at this point.)

    6. Anything involving horses. I binged the entire Black Stallion series dozens of times, stole my dad’s Louis L’Amour paperbacks because they had cowboys on the cover, read veterinary texts from the library, James Herriot novels, you name it. Many a middle school all-nighter was spent poring through whatever Redwall book I had just acquired. My tween years were definitely quite sleep deprived due to so much late night reading.

      1. This is me too. We would have been fast friends in middle school. (LOL at the veterinary texts because that’s absolutely something I would do.)

    7. As a kid? The Little House series was my absolute fave. My younger siblings were the right age for Harry Potter mania (like going to the midnight book store launches).

    8. I would go to the midnight Harry Potter book release parties and spend the rest of the night reading the newest book, sometimes until very very late. Now I will still read until late, but I cut myself off at midnight at the very latest!

      1. I cut myself off the instant I start fighting to stay awake or keep my eyes open. If I stop reading immediately at that point, I can put my book down and sleep peacefully. Trying to set myself a curfew never seems to work and I end up picking the book back up, but with guilt. I wish I had learned this trick at a younger age.

    9. I just reread the City of Ember. Reading it now its a fairly simply book but it was world changing when I read it as a kid. Dystopian novel for children basically.

    10. I pretty much binged anything I read (still do; it was just a lot easier when the books were shorter. I’ve always been a fast reader). When I was a younger kid, Star Wars books and horse books (Saddle Club, Thoroughbred series). By the time I was like 11-12, it was fantasy. Tamora Pierce’s Tortall books. Sherwood Smith’s Crown Duel (which at the time was published as 2 books, Crown Duel and Court Duel). Anne McCaffrey’s Dragonriders of Pern books (I was, uh, probably not old enough to be reading those.) Robin McKinley’s the Blue Sword. Lloyd Alexander’s Vesper Holly series. Harry Potter, complete with midnight releases, of course.

      1. Thank you for reminding me about Crown Duel!!!! I remember loving that book and I’m in the mood for a nostalgia read so may have to track it down and revisit :)

    11. I’m GenX and I loved reading Nancy Drew, Sweet Valley High and The Bsbysitter’s club.

      Lois Lowery started my love of thriller/ mystery books. Also a huge fan of Christopher Pike.

      1. I devoured Sweet Valley High as a kid! Nancy Drew too, but not quite as voraciously. Thanks so much for sparking a warm memory!!

    12. We had a blizzard in my 5th grade winter, and I got to stay home for a whole week and read the entire Anne of Green Gables box set. I still think of that week as my happy place.

    13. Not sure what this says about me, but so much Stephen King. Pet Sematary was my favorite. So much sadness in that book––and not a lot of YA authors I was reading would go there, so it seemed especially poignant. (Hated the movie.)

    14. Basically everything. I still do this. Getting lost in the joys of a good book never gets old.

  4. My period is kicking my a** the last few months. I’ve had a pretty regular cycle since age 12 other than my early 20s when I was underweight and overtraining. I am 35 now. Taking about 5,000 mg of advil a day. Pain wakes me up in the middle of night, even if I take a sleep aid. My doc (female, 60s) didn’t blink an eye at the advil, advised cramps are normal, use heat, try to sleep in fetal position, maybe I have endo but surgery is only a maybe anyway, plus I’ll be menopausal within 6-8 years. I have had to take a day off work this month and last month as I can barely move even with the Advil. I haven’t changed my diet or exercise but am probably feeling more stressed this year compared to last year (politics). Otherwise no major life changes. Any suggestions?

    2. Ultrasound to look for fibroids. They can make your period heavy and painful and sometimes need to be surgically removed. I think you should get a second opinion from an OB/GYN.

    3. Um, if you’re at the point where you’re taking near 5x the daily max of Advil (goodbye, liver), then of course it’s not normal.

      1. It’s Tylenol that’s really hard on your liver not Ibuprofen, but I agree that seems like a concerning amount of med and a really dismissive doctor.

        Also pretty wild to say you’ll be menopausal in 6 years! You may be in early perimenopause by then (although plenty of 43 year old women aren’t) but it takes another 10+ years after that until the period actually ceases! You have more like 15-20 years of periods ahead of you.

        3. I’m 44 and have regular cycles, with the occasional one that’s off by 2-3 days.

    4. 25 200 mg Advil a day is hella bad for your liver. Get an asap appointment with your GYM because something is wrong that an US could probably find and treat (polyp? Fibroids?).

      1. If she can barely move, she should go to the ER. This is past the point of waiting for an understanding OB to take an interest.

    6. Do you want to have kids? Otherwise consider more long-term methods of birth control or a hysterectomy? I would definitely see another doctor about this. My daughter had similar periods and she ended up getting an ablation which has helped a lot.

    7. I’m so sorry you are going through this; I know how it truly takes over your life. Something very similar began for me a bit earlier–late 20s–and it was truly debilitating. My periods also progressively got longer and more frequent, to the point where I was having severe pain 3-4 days/month and bleeding 7-8 days every 24 days or so. I was taking 8×200 mg ibuprofen multiple times a day just to be able to move from a fetal position. I remember stopping in a doorway downtown on my lunch break from my clerkship during law school and crying into the phone as I called my doctor to beg for help. I also remember my clerkship boss (a woman) being fairly unsympathetic and telling me that I could leave early that one day, but that I’d better be prepared to never be able to do that once I was a practicing lawyer.

      My very nonchalant (male) doc didn’t diagnose me with endometriosis, just prescribed higher level pain meds and said I probably had PCOS. (To be fair, he was also trying to save me the cost of paying for a diagnostic ultrasound under my terrible-at-the-time insurance.) No one named that it was likely endo until I was attempting fertility treatments (unsuccessfully) in my mid-30s, which involved v&ginal ultrasounds. On the bright (?) side, I went into very early menopause, finally officially hitting that one-year mark when I was 39 or 40. That finally ended the pain.

      Looking back, I wish I had been aggressive with my doctor as early as possible, gotten the diagnosis and even possibly done a full hysterectomy (even knowing it’s not guaranteed to solve the issue). It got progressively worse for a decade, and I can’t believe I let it go on for so long, thinking I just needed to push through and deal with it. I hope you are able to get answers and treat the pain successfully, and I hope we collectively start to prioritize women’s health research and find real cures (increasingly unlikely these days, I know).

    8. I think you know this isn’t normal. Sometimes doctors brush stuff off because they don’t know if we’re embellishing or exaggerating, and they figure we’ll keep coming back and complaining if we really mean it. Sometimes they’re just out of their depth.

      There’s an informational resource on Facebook called “Nancy’s Nook” that has information about finding a good doctor for endo and related issues.

    9. I just hit menopause – 1 full year without a period – and I’m 55. There is no guarantee that it will all be over soon, and even if there were, 6-8 years is too long to tough it out! New doctor asap. I’m sorry you’re going through this.

    10. The only thing that fixed all the awful period symptoms for me — including significant cramping/pain — was going back on hormonal birth control. If you aren’t on something now, it could be worth a shot. Also seconding that you need a new gyn; your doc should not be dismissing symptoms like this. I would have stormed out in a rage if someone said to just deal with wake-up-in-the-night pain for 6-8 more years.

    11. About two years ago, I had symptoms very much like you describe. My sympathetic and kind (male) doctor is great for general complaints and routine illnesses but wasn’t really equipped to diagnose my symptoms. He initially gave me similar advice to yours. One day I randomly scheduled with a PA at his office instead of the doc. I told the PA that the symptoms were having a huge negative impact on my quality of life and that I needed advice that was not about working around the misery, but a long term solution. She was attentive and invested in finding a solution rather than placating me.

      The PA talked through all the possibilities and the likelihood of each, then ordered a whole barrage of tests to determine the cause(s) of my symptoms. Not all were pleasant tests, especially the intravaginal ultrasound, but they were instrumental in finding the cause and informing potential treatments. The IV US turned up massive fibroids. The PA ran through all of my options and ultimately recommended a hysterectomy. That was life changing for the better.

      So yes, get a second opinion. If you have another provider who you click with, start there. At the very least ask your current doc if they can point you to a specialist. See if your insurance has any other providers in your area, ask your friends who they recommend, etc.

      1. +1 – my PA is head and shoulders better than any other Gyn I’ve ever had. I highly recommend looking into that as an option as well as firmly requesting other tests. If necessary the phrase ‘I’d like it noted in my chart that I reported significant pain during my periods and you refused to order tests’ will almost always work.

    12. New doctor. I would also be very very clear with the doctor that this is not normal/typical for you (obviously a good doc will pay attention to anyone having as miserable an experience as you; but some do better if you emphasize the “new and unexplained symptoms in the last 3 months” part

    13. Random advice for finding a new doctor: there is a reddit list of child free friendly doctors/gynecologists. Like they’re normal doctors but people report that they won’t argue with women or refuse to do permanent birth control options. I picked one near me and went to her and I have never felt more seen or cared for by a doctor in my entire life, she was very proactive in helpful ways.

    14. Yes to new doctor, but you could also be entering perimenopause now. There are women who do start in their 30s. I would look up a menopause certified specialist in your area. Even if it is another gynecological issue, my menopause certified specialist is the best gynecologist I’ve ever seen. I’ve had a LOT of women doctors who dismissed me as well. You should never suffer.

    15. I second all the comments below about a new doctor who takes you seriously. My period got suddenly heavier a couple years ago and since everything else was fine one thing my doctor suggested that has really helped is taking tranexamic acid during the heaviest days of flow. It significantly decreases the bleeding. If everything else checks out for you it may be worth asking about.

    16. I experienced a similar situation and an ultrasound identified several small fibroids. It completely missed the extensive adenomyosis that I eventually had addressed through an embolization process. The doctor who did the embolization said she’d never seen a more extreme case. At the time, I was 3 years away from menopause and eating Aleve like candy. Get a second opinion asap.

  5. The new op ed by Robert Reich in the Guardian is worth a read on how leaders in this country must immediately take a united stand against Trump. Too many are silent. Maybe speaking out doesn’t instantly solve everything, but it is the start of something. US citizens are getting deported and we have to protest en masse.

  6. I manage a team with some international folks – what’s the best way to get a digest of major issues happening in their area (country/state)? This is for 5 countries in both Europe and Asia. Can I subscribe to something by country? Obviously the answer is “the news”, but I was hoping that it could be more automated than that.

    1. The Economist is probably your easiest answer here. They have sections for different geographic regions and do a good job covering places that otherwise have no stories in the US press

  7. OMG when does the shape-shifting stop?!? I’m 54 and have had 3 sizes in my closet since COVID (up from 2 starting around 45h. It’s exhausting and I feel like I’m always beating myself up for buying more clothes but it such a roller coaster of last yea’s clothes will fit. And I can’t bear the thought of going up to keeping 4 sizes in rotation. Small changes, like a week of travel, can just cause disasters even with modest restaurant meals. And I don’t want to start IF or slip into disordered (for me) eating.

    1. Elastic waists, my friend. I am not even gaining that much weight, but my midsection seems more prone to… bloating, I guess.

      I also now understand why tunics that really only fit closely in the shoulders are beloved by women of a certain age.

      1. About the bloating, I became intolerant of way more foods once I hit menopause, and my dietician suggested looking into the low fodmap diet. It really helped a lot figuring out which foods made me bloat, and giving up gluten-based meals really helped the most. Giving up gluten also fixed my GERD which was a surprise to me! Gluten and other intolerances do seem to be a feature of menopause for a lot of my friends of a similar age.

  8. For those of you have added the estrogen patch in perimenopause, what effects did you experience (good and bad)? (Currently on only progesterone, but considering also adding the patch.)

    1. My hot flashes stopped *immediately* and haven’t come back in the 4+ years of taking. My sleep regulated, brain fog receded, and I have just felt like myself again. And I’m glad to know of the behind-the-scenes benefits to my bones and heart. There have been zero downsides for me. I cannot praise this option highly enough, if is something that is available to you. Good luck!

      1. Interesting. I don’t have any hot flashes yet (I’m 46 and my period is still very regular) but I definitely have brain fog, with a side of anxiety and rage.

        1. And bone and heart health is a concern for me (especially given some family history).

      2. Same! I’ve been on the estrogen patch and progesterone for the last several years. It’s been life changing.

    2. I’m using a pill form of estrogen/HRT. My hot flashes decreased in frequency, but not intensity. My mood lability improved (but not completely gone). My bone loss stabilized. Improved vag dryness.

      No bad effects that I can tell. I do think about the blood clot risk, and keep hydrated, always wear compression stockings when on airplanes etc..

      1. BUT…. my sleep is still much worse/more interrupted than it was before perimenopause and my thinking is still not where I would like it to be. But both of those problems are caused by an abundance of issues (and worsen with aging), so for many of this estrogen doesn’t solve all ills.

    3. My temp swings and sleep habits got much better with estrogen and progesterone. Brain fog didn’t go away until I added testosterone. It is life changing.

  9. I posted too late in the morning to get any responses. I have some visible fillings and am considering veneers. But I know nothing about them. Can you tell if someone has veneers?

    1. I love Bravo shows, and there are definitely some otherwise gorgeous people who now look uncanny because of their veneers. Google ‘Carl Radke’ or ‘Jessel Taank’ veneers to see.

      That said, you can definitely natural-looking ones. Just make sure you go to a place that has a gallery of natural looking work and is highly reviewed, and index for ‘natural looking’ over ‘perfect looking.’ It’s like lip filler or botox or implants – you don’t want it to look too perfect or large, less it seem fake.

      1. Omg Jessel was sooo pretty! Why did she do this to her face? And it’s more than just the veneers, right? Her whole face looks different.

      2. Same with Scheana. I feel like they went too big with hers. They don’t fit her petite face. Counterpoint: Kristen Doute’s look really good. When you watch the early seasons compared to today, you really notice the difference with both of them (in completely different ways).

    2. Veneers are an extreme solution when you could replace the metal fillings with white ones. Veneers will require you to remove a significant amount of your natural teeth.

      1. The fillings are large and replacing them will compromise the integrity of the tooth. My dentist is advising crowns which would be $11,000 just for the visible ones

        1. If the dentist is advising crowns, I would go with crowns. Veneers don’t protect and preserve the tooth the same way.

    3. how old are the fillings? I have some on my front teeth that really bothered me so I was looking into veneers, my dentists suggested just replacing them first and they are basically invisible now, I was shocked. They were both over 12 years old so over time my teeth and the fillings had changed colors I think. Insurance actually paid for it too. Dentist was able to get pre-clearance.

    4. One of my friends has veneers due to damage sustained in a bad car crash years earlier. You can tell they are veneers. They have caused her pain beyond the accident damage, and she needs frequent work to deal with underlying infections.

    5. My FIL has veneers and I assume he got them done not cheaply (done by his son). You can very much see them. Makes the smile a bit horse-y.

    6. I have 4 veneers on my top 4 central teeth and love them! Most people don’t even realize it, including those who worked with me prior to the veneers. They can see the difference once I put it out. I got crowns on some of my larger further back fillings.

    7. I don’t know if this is an option for you, but I looked into veneers years ago and didn’t pull the trigger on them because I didn’t like how much of your natural teeth they need to shave down. Instead, I found a cosmetic dentist who did excellent bonding work and I’ve been really happy with the results. It was much cheaper, she can make adjustments any time, and it looks more natural.

  10. The little sh*ts have moved in down the street and have started playing ding dong ditch to the whole block. Would my neighbors and I be liable if they hurt themselves harassing us? Does having a door count as an ‘attractive nuisance’? This is new territory for us as the neighborhood has been DINKs up until now as it’s a neighborhood of small historic Brownstone homes that are expensive and don’t really have room for kids.

    2. Ring camera, print photos, put them in mailboxes with a request for the kids to stop.

      1. This is bananas and would make OP look like an enormous Karen (unless the block is full of other Karens…).

        1. Who cares what they call her, if it gets the little sh*ts to stop. I was called Karen on the Metro yesterday for asking tourists to stand to the right on the escalator so I could make my train. They did move, with an “OK Karen – eye roll”, but I made my train. Who cares what they thought – I used my words and got what I wanted. Signed – entitled 50+ white lady.

          1. Did you say it in a rude / aggressive way? There are a lot of ways to ask people to move on the escalator that are polite and wouldn’t be Karen-y. It’s the difference between being assertive but respectful versus entitled and aggressive.

          2. Nope! Loud enough to be heard in an outdoor train station, but “excuse me, please stand to the right, that’s my train”. They did move, but not without attitude. But honestly, I don’t care – I wanted to get on that train, and oblivious tourists who impede regular folks commuting are the worst.

          3. Nah it’s incredibly annoying when people clog up the Metro escalators. Flats is nicer than I used to be.

      2. I already have a camera and photos! Pretty sure I know which house the kids belong to.

        1. Then use your words like the grown up you are and talk to their parents and ask them to stop.

        2. Than talk to them. Sending notices around the street would be if you don’t know where they live.

    3. Are you threatening to shoot children who ring your doorbell? I don’t understand how they would ‘hurt themselves’ playing ding dong ditch unless the house owner harmed them?

      Broadly, I have to say calm the heck down. A kid moving onto your block doesn’t warrant a meltdown. Also, people with kids can still live in expensive brownstones. The world doesn’t need to be sterile and clean and in your control at all times the way it seems like you’d like it to be.

      1. Oh ffs she doesn’t get anywhere near saying she’s going to shoot them. It’s annoying and she’s allowed to vent about it!

        1. How would they harm themselves on her doorstep? It’s unclear what she’s imagining would happen that would cause them harm, apart from a confrontation with an owner.

          1. Strange question in a site full of lawyers. They fall down her front step and are injured and the family sues. Just because it’s highly unlikely doesn’t mean it hasn’t infiltrated OP’s thoughts

        2. Can’t wait to see this thread get even more cray. Of course she didn’t say she was going to shoot them lmao

          1. I know she obviously isn’t saying that, but I don’t understand how these children would be harmed otherwise. Seems like trying to make it about them harming themselves rather than just that it’s annoying her.

          2. I think she meant like if they trip running off her front porch and get injured. But no she wouldn’t be liable in that situation.

      2. You’re a bit unhinged. One kid tripped running down the stairs today (I have a camera) so it’s not inconceivable they could actually fall and hurt themselves.

        1. I’m sorry, you just sound a bit like a nightmare. I can’t imagine being as tightly wound as you are day in day out.

          2. Nah, I am a big “kids have a right to exist in the world” and ding dong ditching is genuinely annoying, distracting (imagine you are working from home; or you ~just got the baby to nap, etc) and the kind of thing that is “normal” for a kid to do without being “acceptable” (like a two year old biting). You don’t freak out; you just go talk to the parents (approach it as “OF COURSE, I knew you would want to know about this” friendly concern, not like you’re angry at the parents, and the conversation will go better)

      3. IDK. I assume OP would not complain if it only happened a few times. We have two kids and our neighborhood is filled with kids running around playing/biking and general chaos in the neighborhood park. Even then, multiple daily DDD attempts would not be okay with most of the parents on the street. My dog would be losing it and and barking if the doorbell was going off multiple times a day.

      4. You sound like the Dad to these kids and are the one who needs to calm down about defending harassing and frankly bordering on illegal behavior.

    4. No you wouldn’t be liable if they get hurt. Attractive nuisance is like if you have a poorly maintained jungle gym on your property and the kids sneak into it to play and it collapses and they get hurt.

    5. Get a Ring or other visible camera. If seeing the camera doesn’t scare them off, report them to their parents lol.

      1. I’ll definitely be contacting their parents. They don’t seem like the type of people to actually parent though, I suspect I’ll get some variation of ‘boys will be boys’

        1. Based on what? You haven’t even spoken to them but you’re assuming they don’t parent. How would they know the kids are misbehaving if you don’t tell them?

        2. It seems like you just want to be mad. You haven’t spoken to these people so have no way to know how they’ll respond. Leading with this level of bad faith and judgment is going to make this a way bigger deal than it needs to be.

    6. Obviously a door is not an attractive nuisance. A rusty playground or swingset is the type of thing that doctrine refers to. You are grasping at straws to make this a legal issue you have to protect yourself from when it’s clear you are just angry that your doorbell was rung. You sound like a very high strung person and I would recommend trying to loosen up a bit, as this type of shrill freakout is what gives DINKs or childfree people a bad name.

    7. we have a pair of these in our neighborhood. No one answered the door so they got bored and stopped after 2 times… like why would that work in the city? who answers a r-dom doorbell ever especially if you can check the video?

      1. I live in a city and my doorbell rings randomly. I just check and if no one’s there I go back to my life. It’s not like anyone’s breaking a window or causing damage.

          2. Yeah, I think frequency is the issue here and time of day. I work from home. If someone were needlessly ringing my doorbell repeatedly when they got out of school (and I’m still on important Zoom calls with work), I’d be pissed. Or late at night. (Mainly because I don’t have a ring camera and would need to physically see what’s happening or go without knowing.) But a Saturday when I’m just cleaning or puttering about? Mildly annoying but not a real issue. A few times of doing it with no answer should be self-resolving, I’d think. I probably wouldn’t even bring it up with the parents because it’s like to become old and fizzle out on its own anyway. Getting seen as the neighborhood meanie possibly means later targeting for TPing or the like.

      2. I’m in a suburban area but we don’t have a Ring camera (per the baby monitor thread, we don’t do wifi enabled devices for privacy reasons) and we answer our doorbell when it rings. I didn’t think that was unusual!

        1. I’m the city-dweller who said I don’t answer the door unless for deliveries or someone I know, but I don’t think it’s unusual to answer the doorbell! I just think it depends on where you live. I would never answer the door if I didn’t recognize the person (or they are in UPS uniform). I assume it’s either a salesperson, canvasser, or some type of scam. It’s similar to answering an unknown number to me.

          We have a lot of unwell people in my city though so it’s not uncommon to have the door ring and no one be there. I just can’t imagine getting this bent out of shape about it since it literally doesn’t impact my life at all when it happens (which isn’t infrequently lol).

        2. I didn’t really want a camera, but realized I’m on everyone else’s camera every time I step outside anyway.

        3. -anyone we know just texts if they want to drop by
          -we know when we’re expecting packages
          -if neither of the above, it’s 100% a solicitation of some nature, so will pull up the app to confirm the video footage, and either ignore or address as appropriate

          1. That’s interesting. We have neighbors drop by without texting first quite frequently. We have kids though and it’s usually their friends, although I have had neighbors come by wanting to borrow something (not a cup of sugar, but close!) a few times. And compared to many in our area I feel like we don’t even know our neighbors very well.

          2. I’ve had people knock on the door to notify me that my car lights were on or the trunk was open (stupid fob), and I’m forever grateful. Friends have dropped off treats. I’m also glad people answered the door when I tried to find my mom’s runaway cat. It’s nice to think everything in life can be controlled with parcel tracking, but there are still some wonderful non-solicitation times when neighbors should be neighbors.

    8. I vote ignore. It’s misguided attention seeking behavior. Don’t bite. And if you run into them, be friendly and welcoming.

      They will get bored of it and move on to something else soon enough. And if they like you, they’ll be more receptive to you in the future if something does come up.

      1. Or better yet – remote activated ones. If they keep at it after you speak to the parents, check your ring camera then give them a spritz as they run away.

    10. If one of these little a-holes hurts themselves, it’s very likely their health insurance is going to investigate where it happened to see if there is anyone to sue.

      My kid broke his arm on a public sidewalk and I think I got five or six letters from my health insurance company about it. It was completely his fault – he failed to correct for a bump in the road and fell flat on his face. The insurance paid out, but they wanted to see if there was anyone else they could sue. I wouldn’t worry that much about it unless you put up down spike strips or rewire the buzzer.

      1. Yes a fall is the concern, I have stairs upto my front porch and today (on their third ring) I saw the kid trip down the stairs on my camera. If he hadn’t caught himself he would have landed face first on the stone walkway.

        1. But you wouldn’t be liable unless they can show you weren’t maintaining the porch. If he is running and trips over his own feet, too bad, so sad.

          That said, I have an umbrella policy and it does make me feel better. There’s always the potential that someone could sue over something stupid and I’d be forced to pay out.

          1. +1 to Seventh Sister. You’re only liable if you’ve been negligent and haven’t maintained the porch properly. And the showing for that is going to be high — normal wear and tear is not negligence. But an umbrella insurance policy is always good for peace of mind.

    11. I put this sign on my mailbox — “night shift worker — do NOT ring doorbell” and it has worked.

    12. When did calling children swear words become normal? I see ‘a-holes’ and ‘sh*ts’ all over this thread. Honestly scared for our society if we are this anti-social and ragey even at other people’s kids.

        1. It’s pearl-clutching to try to be a kind, decent person? I just can’t imagine being the kind of person who calls children curse words and it’s bizarre to me there are others who are.

      2. Sometime in the 1980s, when us GenX kids did things like use baking sheets to “sled” down the stairs and interrupt bridge parties. Source: my Boomer dad.

      3. Typically this is a result of ill behaved children and a lack of appropriate parenting.

  11. New Yorkers – what’s the best sit down meal you’ve had in the last 2 years in Manhattan?

    1. With the LARGE caveat that I don’t get out much, Avra at Rockefeller Center

    3. The Modern restaurant in the MOMA’s chef’s tasting/prix fixe menu. It was so good my husband and I still talk about it! Very pricey but worth every penny.

      Eleven Madison was a big letdown–this was partly our fault but it wasn’t clear they went vegan somewhat recently and therefore while we were glowing with health upon leaving, it didn’t feel worth the extremely high price tag.

      *Note: this is from a visit, we’re from the Denver area.

  12. Deeply disappointed in M.M. LaFleur, as they completely phased out their extended/plus sizes.

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