Thursday’s Workwear Report: Textured Sweater Jacket

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A woman wearing a navy sweater and light blue jeans

Our daily workwear reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices.

The Nordstrom Anniversary Sale is a great time to stock up on basics at a discounted price. I bought a version of this textured sweater jacket last winter and it was one of my favorite cold-weather toppers. It’s a little boxy, so I wore it with slimmer-fitting pants and dresses to balance out the proportions.

I bought the olive color and wore it almost weekly, so I’m thinking about adding the navy or ivory options to my rotation. 

The sweater is $72.99, marked down from $109, and comes in sizes XXS-XXL. Unfortunately, the plus-size version only has a few left in stock.

Sales of note for 7/23/25:

  • Nordstrom – The Anniversary Sale is open for everyone — here's our roundup!
  • Ann Taylor – 50% off summer favorites + 25% off tops and sweaters + up to 60% off sale
  • Banana Republic Factory – 50% off everything
  • Boden – 10% off new womenswear with code
  • Eloquii – $19+ select styles + extra 45% off all sale
  • J.Crew – Up to 40% off select cashmere + up to 50% off summer styles
  • J.Crew Factory – Extra 60% off cashmere + extra 15% off $100+ and extra 20% off $125+
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  1. What are your favorite versatile work travel pieces? The dress is business casual at most, so its flexible. I have this dream of going on a 2.5 week business trip with just a carry on, and I’m a bit of an overpacker, so this could be hard. I will have access to laundry. I’m planning on bringing the black Athleta endless pant I have – might also buy one in a lighter color if there is a sale.

    Does anyone have the Athleta endless pant in white or cream? Is it see through?

    1. I think the main thing is you have to be comfortable understanding that someone will notice if you wear the same thing multiple times. Most people won’t, but someone will. This only works if you’re willing to just not care.

      1. Other coworkers clearly rewear clothes on these trips, so its not the worst situation to do it in. Everyone knows that everyone is living out of a suitcase.

      2. I would seriously not give a rat’s ass about a coworker who apparently has so little to do that he/she is clocking my rewears on a very long business trip.

    2. this is doable, but I’d start with thinking in terms of that much-aligned wardrobe capsule, rather than individual pieces. In fact, I’d practice by choosing one or two base neutrals — let’s say black and cream, based on your (potential) Athleta pants. Your pants/skirts would be in those colors, and your blouses/tops would be in any colors that coordinate with them. Then pull a capsule of clothes out of your closet, based on those colors: 3 pairs pants, 6 tops, 1 or 2 toppers (cardigan, blazer, bomber jacket, cropped trench, denim jacket — whatever you wear). In fact, you can practice just by going to your closet and pulling out those 11 items to see if you can do it. Then you can see if you actually have what you need or what you might need to shop for.

      1. Add the shoes in to see what pairs you need for these outfits, too. The shoes are what will end up keeping you from being able to zip your suitcase! Ask me how I know.

      2. +1 to this. I pick a base palette for bottoms and then a complementary palette for tops. In the summer it’s usually grey/navy bottoms and then army green/olive, purple, pink tops. One pair of colorful shoes, one pair of neutral shoes and one pair of sandals. I am always roasting these days so instead of toppers I’ll do dresses if I need a bit more formality. I will pack a shawl or a cropped cardigan but that’s about it.

    3. Is this dream a specific trip? Because so much of packing depends on the climate. If you’re going on a business trip to Florida where linen shorts, sleeveless tops, and espadrilles work, then sure you can stick to a carry-on. But if this trip requires more than a single blazer and shoes to walk around a city in, then I think this goal is unrealistic.

      Fwiw, I just bought these and think they are better than the Athleta pants: https://www.reiss.com/us/en/style/su407440/e92573#e92573 They are as comfortable but have nicer seams and detailing so they appear dressier.

    4. What gets me is the inability to live off hotel hair dryers and toiletries. I detest the overly scented free toiletries and hotel hair dryers are never as good as my travel Babyliss.

      Then for 2.5 weeks I’d want exercise clothes & shoes, cute casualwear for weekends or evenings out, loungewear for hanging around the hotel at night, etc. And my feet would be wildly unhappy wearing the same pair of shoes every day for 2.5 weeks (even wearing the workout sneakers for travel, adding 2 pairs of work shoes to this pile is not carryon friendly!). It’s ok to check a bag when you’re trying to solve for that many use cases!

      1. I’ve gone on a 2 week version of this trip before and that was why I checked a bag – to have things for absolutely every situation. We are moving around more so I thought a carry on bag would be more convenient

      1. This is a good point. And why I was thinking cream. These pants don’t seem to stain quite as easily bc of the material. Maybe black and olive green pants

    5. Yes this is a specific trip – will be high 60s/low 70s. Conservative country but I’ve gone before so I have clothes for that.

      1. Those pants are fine for my work, especially in a darker color. I’m not 100% sure about the lighter colors, will have to go check in store.

        I don’t need to bring blazers. Just nice clothes that you would wear to your grandmothers house.

    6. Eileen Fisher crepe pants from the System collection. Feel like pajamas, look like pants, easily washable in the sink if it comes to that, and they dry quickly.

      1. Edit to add I guess they’re calling the system the Foundation now. The crepe pants are still part of it.

    7. I guess my question is why do you dream of doing this? For 2.5 weeks, no coworker or client will bat an eye if you have to wait a few minutes at the airport to pick up a checked bag. It may be a bit different if this was like an overnight trip and you held up the whole group or something … but even then, people have lots of reasons they can’t take a carry on for an overnight. Seems like you’re just giving yourself more work to try to squish everything into a carry on for 2.5 weeks. Are you moving hotels or taking lots of public transportation in that time period? If so, I guess I could see the appeal of a smaller piece of luggage for that situation. But even then, I wouldn’t bother. It’s nice to have options. Shoes alone take up a lot of carry on room. I wouldn’t go with cream or white as one of my few bottoms either. Gray, navy, olive or even burgundy will be easier to rewear.

  2. Is getting a “garage ready” freezer worth it?

    Did a kitchen reno recently and our old fridge/freezer went to the garage. Noticing high utility bills now though. We use the freezer more so considering a Fridgidaire upright garage ready freezer. Appreciate any insight!

      1. Garage ready just means it can withstand bigger swings in temperature, like what you’d expect in a garage rather than in a climate-controlled house.

      2. It regulates temp between 0-110F. Regular fridges/freezers, when put in a non climate controlled area (like a hot garage), work harder to keep temp.

    1. I got one during Covid (minor miracle) and really, really love it. We are empty nesters now and even so, I use it a lot. I freeze a lot of fruit in the summer and so keep the back stock there and just bring one bag at a time into our kitchen freezer. We buy our meat/poultry/seafood at Costco; I bring it home and break it down into the portions we need and I keep it there and bring it is as I need to defrost. Husband has every type of ice cream known to man; we keep it there. We eat home-cooked about 90% of the time, and shop only on weekends, so this is a vital part of keeping my pantry stocked, so to speak.

      1. Right. It depends on how you want to live. If you’re on top of your food and organized, this could be a really useful piece of your life.

        It wouldn’t work if you don’t operate this way. I go to various grocery stores or farmers markets like 5 times a week and have no idea what I’m willing to eat until 2 hours beforehand. I also cook most meals. Know yourself.

    2. It’s also summer; are you sure your high utility bills aren’t due to AC, or just higher rates? My electric bill is higher this summer than last despite using less power.

      We put a regular freezer in my garage and I didn’t notice any increase after we got it.

    3. My parents use a regular fridge/freezer in the garage and it often stops working when the temp gets to be too low. They mostly keep drinks out there though, and fill it when they have holidays or guests, so it’s not a huge deal. But if you need it to be reliable year-round I would upgrade.

    4. Not knowing where you live, June was HOT and so I’m expecting our electric bill to be worse than normal vs. 2024.

      How much higher are your utility bills than last year at this time, taking into account that heat wave if applicable to you, and how long would it take you to break even on the $ for buying a new freezer vs. the incremental increase?

      As far as utility of a standalone freezer (whether your leftover freezer or a new one), 100% worth it if you’re organized about using it.

    5. Sorry I’m not clear on if this would be a 2nd freezer, a 2nd fridge / freezer combo, or you’d be replacing the one you have now.

      If it’s a second freezer then I agree with the person who said, essentially, make sure it fits your lifestyle. Chest freezers are supposed to be opened “sometimes” and definitely less than regular fridge/ freezers. Otherwise it just won’t be as efficient or as effective in keeping things at the right temperature. So it’s more like storage rather using day-to-day. That said, it can be very useful storage!! I would recommend it if it fits your lifestyle – I hadn’t heard of “garage-ready” before. You might want to check locally (like on Nextdoor or Facebook) to see if it adds to a noticeable increase in electricity use.

    6. We have one, and I think it’s worth it. It’s a small, garage ready freezer that we use for overflow. Our counter depth freezer in our refrigerator is pretty small, so we need the extra storage. We live in Colorado, so the garage temperature can vary greatly, and the garage ready freezer accounts for that. Also, make sure your garage has good weather proofing / stripping to regulate the temperature.

    7. Alternatively, do you have anywhere indoors you can put your old one?

      We have our upright standalone freezer in our (large) laundry room. Still provides extra freezer space and the room is climate controlled so the freezer doesn’t have to work so hard to keep up. My dad put his old fridge in his basement when he bought a new one, because his garage isn’t insulated.

    8. Check out the Gladiator upright freezer as well if you haven’t already. There’s a matching fridge if you need both.

  3. I need all the good juju today please. I have a job that I’m in final round interviews for. I was fast tracked to the final round because I know the direct hiring manager reasonably well (client of my firms, not mine personally). This job would get me out of a deeply toxic situation. I’m meeting with head of group and group’s leadership, 3 people total.

    I’m 40, 15 years in to this career and it’s not the job function I do today but a direct cousin. Think, I sell things and these people buy the things. So I know the things really well, but definitely come from a slightly different perspective as the sales facilitator versus buyer/long-term owner.

    Any last minute words of wisdom? Things to ask or think about? I have historically defaulted to my imposter syndrome taking over and almost instinctively starting with what I think my perceived gaps will be vs highlighting strengths out of the gate. I’ve talked to a lot of trusted friends in my field over the last few months so I think I’m in a better place there. But, will take any tidbits you have! These are indisputably good people and a great (finance) firm. TIA!

    1. Bring your enthusiasm to the interview. And your respect for what a great firm it is. People want to hire people who are excited to work at their business. And, using your example, leverage your knowledge of the product you sell. You’ll bring things to the role from your past experience that other people at the company won’t have and that is your superpower I think.

    2. Don’t be so eager to get out of a toxic situation that you don’t consider if the job is really meant for you. Remember that interviews are two way streets!

  4. What does a 40 year old couple wear to a friend’s 40th bday party that is an 80s theme? My brain just goes to neon but I need to be a little more thoughtful. Not wanting to break the bank here. It’s being held at her house next Saturday. She has a newborn with some complex medical issues so it’ll be a great house party but potentially relatively tame given the baby is there and will be upstairs with grandparents. So I suspect costumes will be relatively all-out to compensate as these are not generally house party people.

    DH has a variety of brightly colored polos. Layering these with short-shorts for him, maybe? What about me? Apart from crimping, what do I do? Despite being an ’84 baby, I’ve never actually dressed for an 80s theme party. Anything I find searching online requires a full new wardrobe… Haaalp!

    1. I do bare minimum for 80s theme parties–think lightwash jeans, a men’s white tee, and big hoop earrings.

    2. Blazer with oversized shoulder pads is what I remember from the 80s? And long plaid frumpy skirts. Or anything channeling young Princess Diana.

    3. I’d do denim, a white tank, and some neon accessories and call it a day. But I am not one to go over-the-top for a costume party.

      1. I agree. Otherwise, you can go the spandex shorts and cut t-shirt / tank top route if you want super casual.

    4. Easy/low cost ideas:
      Go the workout gear route (spandex, preferably neon).
      If you have the ubiquitous Lululemon crossbody, wear it as a fanny pack.
      Cut up a t shirt so it’s one-shoulder, wear with leggings.
      Wear your hair in a big, teased side pony.

      1. Yeah I feel the exposed shoulder from a big shirt gives great 80 vibes without being too much costume. You could even make one yourself out of an old t-shirt. You could wear a sports bra under it so the strap shows. Very 80s

        1. An exposed-shoulder top from Amazon, a side pony, and blue eyeshadow is what I did for the same event.

    5. 80s is great, because you can do it cheaply/easily. Blue or purple eye shadow, big hair, bright blush that is not blended in a modern way, super pink lipstick. Layer on accessories (pile of bracelets, etc.).

    6. I’d do a couple from an 80s movie. Personally Dirty Dancing is my favorite but there are other great options — Top Gun, Flashdance, Footloose, When Harry Met Sally, Star Wars, Risky Business. And if you stretch the definition of 80s you could include Grease and Pretty Woman.

    7. Hair and makeup are where it’s at for an 80s theme. Clothes I think can be relatively simple. Big hair, big makeup, maybe a trip to the thrift store, you’re good to go.

    8. These ideas are so not the 80s I lived, with the exception of the spandex: tights, leotard cut very high on the hip (a thong even although that was not me, Jane Fonda legwarmers or big socks for a similar look, coordinating sweatband. Bonus for Reeboks with the straps.

      1. Now I need to know: what 80s did you experience? These are all spot on for mine. Just add in legwarmers, stirrup pants, and tight-rolled jeans.

          1. Yes to the power suits! I was working as an attorney for all of the 80s: menswear fabrics, navy and black suits, with a blouse with a bow to let folks know we were still women!

    9. doesn’t Evereve have a really popular off-shoulder sweater right now? Get that so you can wear it later but for this party crimp your hair, side pony, blue eyeshadow, too much blush on the apple of your cheeks like 4″ lower than where everyone wears it today. black eyeliner on the bottom line only. bonus if you can get a super cheap perfume to spray yourself with.

    10. Hubby should layer two polos and snap the collars up. If he has ray ban style sunglasses and deck shoes he’s all set.

      You can wear anything from a flash dance look to Madonna. Those should be easy to look up for inspiration. Flash dance is easy but it involves cutting the neckline out of an oversized tee or sweatshirt.

      If you have any sort of lace fabric you can use that as a hair tie or hair band or even a skirt over leggings if you have enough.

      Pile on the cheap jewelry and tease your hair.

      Blue eyeliner if you have it, and dark blush that is a clearly defined /not blended stripe on your cheekbone

    11. For doing this on the cheap, focus on hair (big! Teased bangs if you can do it! Side ponytail!) and makeup (blue eyeliner! frosty pink lipstick!).

      And then you can just wear a polo & pop the collar up and tight roll jeans.

    12. I went to an ’80s party some years ago and wore a big-shouldered power suit that I actually wore in the ’80s/early ’90s, with sneakers and big hair. (Maybe Tretorns, but Reeboks would have been more authentic.) Think Melanie Griffith in Working Girl. Alas, I can’t fit in that suit any more.

  5. Did anyone else notice the timestamps on the suit post comments yesterday? It must be because the post was updated, not new, but there were comments from all throughout the years! At first I thought it was a glitch, but someone referenced a date in her post so it appeared she really was commenting on 9/16/2019. It was such a time capsule (and everyone was very calm and civilized in the comments “back then”)

      1. +1. Write a new post with the current information. Don’t make me guess whether we’re talking about 2025 or 2018.

        1. i’m pretty sure she’s doing it for a reason, it’s pretty easy to copy/paste it into a new post.

    1. I enjoyed how the first comments were about people being so done with ankle pants and ready for long pants to come back. In 2018. They had a loooong wait ahead of them! Others were vowing never to wear anything but their bootcuts. It was a nice summary of the span of reactions we all feel when pants silhouettes change to something different.

  6. PSA to anyone dealing with student loan problems: The loan simulator on studentaid.gov and the online application may not be correct. I’ve decided to get out of the SAVE purgatory and to apply to another plan (IBR or PAYE). I did the loan simulator and online application. Both tried to tell me that I was not eligible for IBR or PAYE because I had Parent Plus loans. I’ve never had Parent Plus loans. I had a Grad Plus loan, but that is different for eligibility. It wanted me to consolidate my loans to be eligible, but I would lose 12 years of forgiveness qualifying payments if I did that. I did my own research and confirmed that I should be eligible even with the Grad Plus. I called both studentaid.gov and my servicer. Both are stumped as to why it is finding a Parent Plus loan that doesn’t exist. So, I’ll be submitting a paper application.

    1. Sure, they’re stumped as to why their site is funneling you towards only the most expensive options where you’ll lose benefits. Unfortunately, this is what the student loan system is like through and through. Good job researching and looking out for yourself. Be sure to keep doing so because in my experience this won’t be a one-off. It’s a long haul.

        1. I know! Even the delay of making people use telephone calls and paper applications is by design to introduce these slow-downs into the process.

          Keep getting an error message when trying to post :(

  7. for Reasons, I need to store 3-4 bankers-box-sized boxes in my office. The contents in the boxes are used/referred to every 2-3 years. I have dark brown standard issued furniture, walls are light gray and art is light brown/gray. My office does not allow any additional furniture or filing cabinets; every office must have the same furniture (unless you have an accommodation and get a new chair). I had purchased a standing screen and janitorial threw it away. I am sick of the ratty boxes and would like to purchase 4 “nicer” looking storage containers that could fit one box each and that I could stack in a corner. Budget approx. $100 total. Any ideas?

    1. I may just be thinking about that scene in Winnie the Pooh where Pooh gets stuck in Rabbit’s house and she decorates his butt, but…

      can’t you just put a blanket over the boxes and a few tchotchkes and call it a day?

  8. Has anyone tried cosmetic acupuncture? I heard about it on a podcast recently. Uses acupuncture to stimulate collagen and allegedly helps with wrinkles, etc. It is a commitment; the provider I was listening to does two sessions a week for five straight weeks; think the cost is around $1000. Any actual experience? I am intrigued.

    1. That sounds ridiculous but if you want to light money on fire go ahead. You’d be better off just donating 1k to charity and letting the flow of doing good light up your face.

    2. That’s snake oil. The only things proven to help with wrinkles are sunscreen, retinoids, lasers, and botox. This scam artist is preying on people who want quick results.

      1. +1. I’m actually not anti acupuncture. It’s probably relaxing and minimally effective. But this is not something I’d consider before Botox, lasers or even micro needling which I do not think can be done by a lac in my state. You have hundreds of dollars, are willing to put needles in your face to have less wrinkles? Botox is your answer.

    3. Also intrigued. Stories welcome by at least two commenters. I don’t touch most sunscreens or botox. Not even sure what a retinoid is.

      1. Well, don’t you think you should learn about the things that are actually medically shown to improve your skin (and prevent skin cancer)?

        Sunscreens and retinoids are your first line.

    4. That’s snake oil. What actually stimulates collagen is microneedling done by a medical practitioner, ideally radiofrequency microneedling. If you’re willing to spend $1k I’d look at an at home laser/LED/microcurrent device. Trina at the Beauty Beyond 40 on YouTube has a whole series on the best devices and what the results are.

      1. Is this that much better than me using my Dr. Pen microneedler once a quarter? Real question–I’m interested.

    5. How about tretinoin and religious use of sunscreen? That’s what will really work and has scientific backing.

  9. I need a great outfit for a party on Sunday! Casual, but should be elevated. I’d like to look good and slightly icy. Any ideas? These people, relatives of my husband, don’t like me and I want to feel good about how I look. Trust that my presence at these things is the result of a compassionate and fair agreement overseen by a professional therapist.

        1. My first instinct was white denim crops and a light blue cotton blouse. Short sleeved or sleeveless, depending on your preference. Flat leather sandals. Silver jewelry.

        2. Casual cotton sundress that fits impeccably, in a neutral, non-girly color. Sleek sandals. Sun hat. Bold lipstick.

        3. I’d channel east-coast, old money. Khaki or white shorts, blue cotton button-up, hurauches or similar. Simple gold jewelry. Or a really great white tank tucked into flowy pants.

      1. This. Daytime? Evening? Indoors or outdoors? What’s your general style and what kinds of clothing make you feel “icy”?

        1. 6 pm. It’s in the Hudson valley. I tend to go for structure, heels and blazers when trying to look this way. I’m having trouble translating it into a casual setting. Maybe some kind of a structured shorts set? I’m open.

          1. Im tall and love being tall, so take this suggestion with that in mind.
            I’d wear nicer black shorts like Spanx, espadrille sandals, and a nice sleeveless top that shows off my arm muscle. Plus simple but clearly higher end jewelry.
            I’d stand up super straight and enjoy everyone turning to notice the tall chic woman who just walked in the room. I certainly have done this.

          2. I would do a linen jumpsuit for that column of color, and block heeled sandals for added height.

            A wide brim sunhat if you want to be less approachable. Or if UV index is above 3.

        2. To me, she wants to read “I did not try at all with this outfit but threw it together and even so, I look fire and you all can eat dirt.”

          1. I love this lol. And it’s not just the outfit, it’s the hair, nails, makeup etc that give you that vibe too. Like, I don’t care enough for you people to put in extra effort, I just look this way all the time.

      1. +1 – something from Reformation would be my choice. You want sleek and fitted, not something nap dress adjacent.

        1. Reformation is super slinky and not bra-friendly. That doesn’t sound like the polished, superior look OP wants.

          1. this, i was going to say it’s kinda what we would have called slutwear 10 years ago

      2. Disagree. Linen may look fine when you walk in, maybe, but you’ll be wrinkled within an hour. And thats the opposite of what you’re going for.

  10. My lawyer sent my finalized estate documents to an incorrect Gmail address.

    I can tell the email is active, it’s posted on a few tech forums.

    I think a scary email, reverse searching the email address and sending a letter, are probably the only things that can be done at this point?

    What else should I be doing? What else can they do?

    1. They can’t really do anything with your estate stuff so I’d just email and ask them to delete it and tell your lawyer to send things securely.

      1. +1. It is definitely a huge faux pas by your lawyer, but I don’t think anything bad will actually come of this.

    2. Your attorney should not have done this.

      That said, take a deep breath, stop the freak out, and put a hold on the “scary email.”

      Your attorney’s email should have a footer asking the recipient to delete it if the recipient is not the intended recipient. Whether or not that matters, the person is already on notice.

      Moreover, the correct move isn’t a “scary email,” let alone a letter to their address. The person did NOTHING wrong. The correct move is for your attorney to reach out, kindly ask them to delete the email and confirm deletion.

      I have the OG email address for my name (think Jane dot jones at gmail), and I often get other people’s stuff. I’ve gotten medical records, draft screenplays, requests for a dinner date, you name it. Every time, I reply that they have the wrong person; please check the email address they were given and try again. I promptly delete sensitive information.

      If I got a letter in the mail (!!!) and a “scary email,” I would consult with an attorney barred in the relevant jurisdiction and if allowed, post that s–t on the Web.

      1. Same re having the original email address for my name and deleting things. I have over the years figured out who some of the stuff should be routed to (one of their mom’s emailed me by mistake once (!) and I asked for her daughter’s email so I could forward stuff that was clearly for her).

    3. I once received an erroneous email that had the photo or scan of someone’s ID attached. It was a stranger to me but we have the same name. I never reacted to it and just thought they clearly sent it to the wrong email. I would be pretty angry to be getting a scary email, threatening me because someone else made a mistake??

    4. I have a common name and an email address built on my common name, and I get this stuff all of the time. All of the time!

      The emails I get w/attachments from lawyers have a disclaimer that I shouldn’t open it if I’m not the intended recipient. Basically the scary verbiage is already there, so there’s not really anything additional to do.

      1. Really? Is this that uncommon a mistake?

        Should I be reporting all the lawyers who take phone calls at the coffee shop discussing all the juicy details of messy cases?

      2. What? No. That’s not an ethical error. This was likely a clerical error. This is not what the bar is for.

    5. I would make sure the lawyer does not bill me for the time spent sending that email and cleaning up after, but otherwise would let it go. If the contents sent included SSN (and even if not), freeze the credit of anyone involved.

      If this resulted in identity theft, then I would expect the firm to help untangle that at their expense.

    6. OP here. I feel a lot better after reading these responses.

      My brain went to identity theft because the will contains inheritance numbers and financial institution.

      1. 99% chance the recipient doesn’t read it. I get the wrong emails all the time and the only time I read them is if they look important and I need to find the person. Once I got a scary sounding foreclosure type email and wanted to be sure it was clear the person didn’t get it!

    7. Just want to say, as someone with the original firstname dot lastname e-mail of my name, I get a lot of misdirected email that I cannot differentiate from spam and I’m certainly not opening any of the attachments on any of it. If I got an email from someone I didn’t know claiming to be my lawyer and asking me to review my estate docs that I didn’t ask for, I would chalk it up to phishing or worse and report the email as spam.

  11. Is anyone else growing unbelievably sick of dog owners? Between the bags of sh1t lining the walking path kids use to get to school, people justifying violent behavior from certain breeds, massive dogs running around off leash and scaring people, and barking all day long in apartment complexes, it seems like there is absolutely no consideration, even for health and safety matters. Over it.

    1. Oof. I’m guessing something happened this morning that is setting you off?

      I’m not sick of dogs, but having just gotten robo-called by a medical system wanting me to pre-register for an appointment and give all the information that will then be asked all over again when I actually show up and register for the appointment, I’m so over being hounded by a medical system’s robo-calls, text reminders, in-app notifications, emails, etc. I AM GOING TO SHOW UP ON TIME TO MY APPOINTMENT WITH MY INSURANCE CARD IN HAND. MY NAME, ADDRESS, BIRTHDATE, AND INSURANCE HAVEN’T CHANGED SINCE YOU ASKED ME ABOUT ALL OF IT TWO WEEKS AGO. LEAVE ME ALONE.

      I feel like this is the medical system equivalent of the entire class getting punished because of that one kid who is misbehaving.

      1. It also feels like a double standard when the same office completely drops the ball on pretty much everything. Right now I’m getting a daily reminder to pay a bill that’s not due yet for an appointment a few weeks ago. But I wish someone at the office were getting a daily reminder about actually calling in my prescription because they still haven’t gotten around to it yet.

        1. Yes–I got a bill 3 months late, but not yet due, and got daily reminders over text and email once they finally decided to send it. And I had to call three times in that same time period to get a prescription filled.

        2. What gets me is that I have to type in my insurance information and hand over my card for them to scan at every visit, but they never actually update the information so they keep trying to bill the wrong carrier despite my calling to correct them four times.

      2. Yep, a walk this morning on an absolutely beautiful, unseasonably cool day – only to pass by literally 15-20 “landmines” within one mile, including one that was within 2 feet of a trash can.

        I totally feel you on your rant. Those offices cater to the lowest common denominator and don’t allow the rest of us to opt out.

        1. I love dogs (don’t own one at the moment but plan to get one soon). A few years ago I was excited when I moved into a dog friendly apartment building but quickly learned to hate it. Sure it’s fun to pet cute puppies in the elevator. But too many owners casually let their large dogs jump on me, the sidewalk out front was a stinky landmine of yellow puddles, people let their dogs off leash in the hallway… And of course owner swears *their* dog is friendly. It shouldn’t be so hard to be a considerate pet owner.

      3. I thought the constant confirmation of birthdate and address is for fraud and error prevention. To check that you are the person who’s insurance card you are using, and to double-check that the computer record they just pulled up is the right one.

        1. The constant confirmation of birthdate is a HIPAA requirement. It’s to confirm they are speaking to the right person.

      4. My derm threatens to cancel my appointments and charge me for being a no-show if I don’t click their scammy text link to confirm my appt 48 hours in advance. I missed the text once b/c it looks like a smish, showed up for my appointment at the appropriate time, and they were so, so confused. “But you didn’t confirm??” No shit, because I confirmed when I set the appointment! Eff no, I won’t sign your no-show policy and in fact, I am taking a selfie here in front of your office sign and will file a fraud claim with my credit card if you try to charge me for being a no-show.

    2. I am continually amazed at people who show more compassion and consideration for animals than they do people. Like the throngs on NextDoor who post in shock that anyone dare say they can’t keep a stray animal and have to bring it to a shelter, or that they are “heartbroken” over a stranger’s dog hit by a car, and then in the next breath comment, “those kids on bikes deserve to be run over! Low life bums!” “No more money for schools, my tax dollars yada yada.”

      And if I have money to donate I’m sending it to causes that support humans…but I get that we all have our callings.

      Animals are easy to anthropomorphize and love. Humans are complicated and we have to meet them where they are. But humans always win for me. It’s like we’ve forgotten how to care for each other and are projecting onto pets to fill the gap.

      1. Because humans are capable of vile, cruel, and more common, thoughtless and reckless behavior. It’s easy to dismiss humans and easy to love pets that love you back. This isn’t hard to grasp unless you’re being willfully “amazed.”

      2. Why would anthropomorphizing animals lead to loving them for someone who hates people?

        It’s possible to basically ruin your life through helping out an animal or a human on an individual basis, but in my experience, the odds are better that helping out an animal will be rewarding, and the odds are much lower that the animal will hurt your betray you (though not zero).

        On a system level, humans easily get more help than household pets do. There are no cats or dogs on public healthcare.

        1. Re anthropomorphizing, I mean people can say they have “pet children” and push them in strollers and celebrate their birthdays, without the inconveniences of actual human children. And then convince themselves it’s the same. Or get up in arms about leaving animals outside (not abusively, in appropriate conditions but maybe for a long time, or as an outdoor cat)…they are ANIMALS, being inside is the unnatural part!

          Im not saying don’t love your pet. Im saying don’t prioritize pets above people and conflate the two relationships. Most pets are meant to be under humans; they are pack or flock (or whatever) creatures with hierarchy.

          And I also hate crazy electric bike riding, but that doesn’t mean I think the kids should die!

          1. Cats are an invasive species, they should not be outside. Outdoor cats also have a significantly shorter lifespan than indoor cats.

          2. I agree outdoor cats are dangerous to prey animals. But when the argument is about it being bad FOR THE CAT you’ve lost me. I’m kind of like…so what if it’s a shorter lifespan? It’s outside doing its natural animal thing and probably happier

          3. Cats are working animals that help keep my neighborhood free from wanted pests. I don’t live in Hawaii or New Zealand. Yes some native predators may have been displaced, but getting rid of the cats would not be enough to reintroduce them (I don’t think the cats are the ones keeping coyotes out of my urban neighborhood).

            The idea that cats are disproportionately impacting bird species where I live isn’t evidence based but is pushed by people who explicitly argue that EVEN ONE BIRD KILLED is a tragedy. They’re ridiculous. Stop spraying your lawn to kill bugs and weeds and stop polluting the air if you want to help out birds. Odds are you can keep your cat.

          4. I celebrate my dog’s birthday and will absolutely push her on walks in a wagon when her arthritis gets to that point. I also have a social justice job that helps the most neglected and reviled members of our society, and I make very little money doing it compared with other people who have the same education. Maybe get over your stereotypes and judgment? Just because you hate animals and don’t want to enjoy life doesn’t mean that it’s immoral to like animals and want to have a little harmless fun with a birthday cupcake.

      3. If you are talking about kids on electric bikes, I vote for “these kids deserve to be run over.” Their parents apparently think it’s great for junior to “get some exercise” riding a bike, wearing a helmet. But in my town, every single kid is powering along, not pedaling, helmet dangling from the handlebars. Driver’s license and insurance are not required, but the e-bikes can mow over pedestrians like bowling pins.

        1. It’s become a big problem in my neighborhood, even to the point where people are posting pics on the neighborhood FB page with kind messages to please talk to their kids about safety. It continues. I hate these things, and somebody is going to get seriously hurt or worse.

          1. Between that and e-scooters, I am surprised that our local news isn’t overrun with preventable but tragic collisions with cars (instead, so many drownings, like 1 a week).

        2. On my block there are two young boys often pedaling their little hearts out and shriek-laughing loudly as they go by. It’s pure joy.

          1. On my street, they’ve worked out a game where they encourage the cat to chase them. I think it’s fun for the cat to get to run a bit faster than an ordinary game of tag. When they get to the end of the block, the cat seems anxious to make sure the kids don’t cross the street. All adorable.

        1. Same. There are government programs and aid for humans and human emergencies. Nothing like this exists for animals and it’s up to animal lovers to fund even basic assistance. Not one bit conflicted about this.

          1. Are you familiar with what our government is currently doing?

            If there was ever a time to donate to food banks for humans, it is now.
            Programs are being cut dramatically.

            And are you familiar with what USAID used to do….?

        2. Same. It makes it so easy to say no when asked to “round up” at the grocery store, i.e., donate to some charity so the corporation gets a tax write-off. “No–I only donate to animal charities.”

        1. Fair perspective, but how is keeping thousands of stray pets alive helping the planet? Or worse – when rescues fly the strays to the US from developing countries? Seems that would hurt the planet

          1. I have one of these dogs. The reason we had to adopt a dog flown in from overseas is that we could not find a dog with a suitable temperament in a shelter here–they’re all obnoxious barky hunting hound mixes that really do not want to be family pets. It was either our super chill overseas rescue or a purebred puppy from a breeder. Judge all you want.

          2. I’m glad it worked out for you! Your priority was having a good family pet. But if someone’s goal is to protect the planet, that’s a terrible idea

          3. Nobody adopts a pet to protect the planet. They adopt from shelters and rescues to save animals’ lives, which is probably bad for the environment but is still a moral good.

    3. I’m pretty annoyed by the assumptions that all people must love dogs and they’re the best things ever. No, I don’t want them in the grocery store or in a formal restaurant. I don’t want your dog to jump on me.

      1. My sense is that because many adults live solo and far from their families and are child free, that dog is there lone sentient relationship IRL and it’s important to respect the relationship (and not that it’s a separate species). The connection is real (I have a dog, allergic to cats), but up to a point. It has gotten crazy, probably more in cities vs in the country where a pet is a pet or possibly a working dog. I was on a plane before the animal rules changed and swear I was the only person without a support dog (which seemed to be dogs that weren’t guide dogs for blind people or seizure alert dogs but just dogs that the owners were just very emotionally tied to).

        1. I’m horribly allergic to cats as well. Less so to dogs, but still enough risk of an allergic reaction that I don’t want to risk it.

        1. I like dogs, but my sense is that a lot of professed dog lovers evidently do not. If a professed dog lover isn’t prioritizing what makes dogs happy, calm, and healthy, but is instead trying to treat them like a surrogate human child, then their dog is going to be a terror on society.

          1. Relatedly, I love service dogs!! I am not sure what to say or do about “emotional support dogs”. Surely, they don’t belong everywhere?

            I actually am not a pet person at all but I find the pro-pet people so judgmental that it’s one of my deepest darkest secrets and I would almost rather change my entire personality than admit this publicly

        2. Found the person who insists that everyone love their dog.

          I don’t hate dogs, but I don’t want to own one and I have no interest in interacting with them. People’s feelings about dogs can stem from unpleasant experiences (probably due to inconsiderate dog owners) so liking or not liking dogs seems a silly criteria to judge people by.

          But that’s okay – I don’t like people who insist that liking dogs is a requirement for being a good person.

          1. yeah, there is a lot in between hating dogs and being a crazy dog person. I will happily cuddle or play with a dog who is present and not totally misbehaved, but I don’t care enough to talk about your dog and admire photos of them every time we interact.

      2. I adore dogs and have a large one that I love more than any human, but I do not want them in grocery stores or fancy restaurants either, and I don’t think they should be allowed to approach people who don’t want to interact with them or to jump on anyone. And for heaven’s sake please do not bring your dog to my house when you come to visit.

    4. So over it. I posted earlier this week about a friendly gathering turning into a dog party. I don’t expect anyone to be into my cat, but dog owners seem to think everyone is enthusiastic about their pooch. We are not.

    5. No, I don’t feel this way about any of your specific examples. Obviously you don’t like dogs or their presence in your universe. It’s just one of many things you’ll have to learn to live with. You don’t just get to cry “health and safety!” and be justified.

      1. Nope, I’m a dog lover – I used to want to be a dog trainer when I grew up. I still miss my childhood dog so much. Doesn’t mean I love rudeness from their crappy owners.

      2. I love dogs, including pitties, and I still get annoyed at my fellow dog-owners. Leashing your dog and cleaning up after it are so easy; it baffles me that people don’t. And don’t get me started on people who’ll slap a vest on a clearly-untrained dog and sow confusion about service animals.

    6. Not a dog owner, my kids are enough for me hah, but the bad people/dog behavior get disproportionately more attention. Well behaved dogs are so so adorable.

      I could use less inconsiderate people.

      1. Ditto. Inconsiderate people are the problem, not the animals. And never underestimate the mental gymnastics people will perform to justify their s h * tt*y behavior.

        1. This thread is a perfect example – “you don’t like stepping in shit means you need antidepressants?” That’s Olympic-level gymnastics right there. Perfect 10.

        2. This thread is a perfect example – “you don’t like stepping in sh!t means you need antidepressants”? That’s Olympic-level gymnastics right there. Perfect 10.

          1. I think it’s more like when you take a bunch of minor bad things and catastrophize it into an indictment against a whole category that’s giving maybe something is going on. Most folks tend not to be so miserable.

        3. Agree. This isn’t a dog owners problem, this is an inconsiderate people problem. I’m a dog owner and don’t do any of this nonsense and despise all of these behaviors.

      1. Lmao, can’t wait for the contrarians to literally defend stepping in dog crap just to argue with an OP.

        1. Sorry but that’s just not a thing. Maybe once in a while but I live in a major city, tons of dogs, don’t witness any of this. But I love dogs and they love me back so it’s probably OP they’re responding to negatively. Dogs are great judges of character.

          1. Ah yes, I’m sure they select their bathroom locations just to send a message to OP. That’s it.

          2. Your neighborhood might be enforcing rules on this.

            In my inlaws’ major city neighborhood, it’s not possible to exist the car on the grass side because every square foot is occupied by dog sh*t, so we have to climb over to the sidewalk side just to avoid it. Every single time I vist.

          3. Okay then you probably just live in a really, really nice neighborhood? Congratulations!

          4. Are they though? I could get a dog to love me by feeding them handfuls of cheese, no matter how I actually felt about the dog. And the dog would judge my character to be awesome! I am the Cheesebringer!

    7. Yes! times a million. I get so angry whenever someone’s bred to be violent but such sweetie to them dog attacks their child. Why was it worth the risk to them? Because they like to feel like a tough guy with a violent dog?

      My cousins’ fancy pants frankendoodle knocked my toddler over violently once. It was terrible and it’s the reason we don’t visit anymore. It’s hard to explain that it’s not ok to have a dog that knocks down children for fun.

      Truly the amount of well behaved dogs is so small compared to the amount of poorly behaved ones.

      1. Lol, dogs don’t “knock down children for fun.” You’re giving a level of intent here that dogs aren’t capable of.

          1. What the family probably meant was that the dog was having fun jumping around, as opposed to jumping out of aggression. The dog can intend to jump, but I think it’s questionable whether it can form intent to knock over a child – that’s the effect of an action, not the action itself. Does the dog understand and intend the effect of its actions? In some cases, sure. In all cases? No. Depends on the dog and depends on the action.

          2. I find it frustrating because in so many situations, it feels like someone is asking me not to judge their out of control dog because it didn’t intend to hurt anyone. So far two older women in my life have broken a hip because an uncontrolled “friendly dog” jumped up on them and they fell. I’m not saying the dog is a bad dog and should go to doggie hell for its crimes; I could not care less what St. Peter says about the state of the dog’s soul. I’m saying that the owner is irresponsible and their combination is a menace.

        1. That was the explanation. “frankendoodle is just having fun!” I actually appreciated because to everyone else it looked like she thought my daughter was prey. It was pretty terrifying.

          I want to address your laughter at this: honestly it’s hurtful and cruel to laugh at someone’s child coming to harm.

          But you know that right? Like you’re not so broken that you don’t understand that, are you? i don’t know why you’re like this, i don’t know what kind of rush you get by being an absolutely awful person under an anonymous name but i suggest you figure it out before all the cruel hateful energy comes back to you. Because it will.

          1. I completely believe you, not only because it’s the right thing to do but because I’ve seen the same thing 1000 times over. Anyone claiming otherwise is being cruelly obtuse.

          2. She was laughing at your suggestion that dogs form intent, not your daughter getting hurt. I hope that makes you feel better about her response.

          3. Look, if the idea of being a half decent human is exhausting to you maybe you should log off and go to bed.

          4. I kinda get why your husband’s family doesn’t like you. No need to stress about your outfit being icy….

      2. It’s absolutely unbelievable how much violent behavior dog owners will justify, especially from pit bulls. Of the three people I know personally who have been brutally attacked and permanently marred by dogs, they’ve all been pitbulls or “pit mixes.” One of the victims was a 2-year-old neighbor girl who had to be lifeflighted to another state and people STILL tried to justify it locally.

        1. Of people I know, the humans attacked and injured by dog bites have been bitten by German shepherds, dobermans, and a pointer. But as for dogs injured and killed, it’s been from pit bull attacks, time and again.

          It’s my opinion that rescues need to do a better job rehabilitating dogs coming from bad situations before adopting them out. If they’re not even being honest about bite history, I don’t believe they’re doing honest and expert behavioral euthanasia assessments either.

        1. She was literally in the backyard when the dog came running out the back door at full speed toward her and knocked her to the ground. She had never met the dog before so I’m not sure where you get this. How is that instigating? By existing in the yard?
          She was bruised but fine. Still it was terrible and scary and the point is even a friendly seeming dog can be really violent with kids.

        1. I mean either the dog attacked the kid or knocked the kid over completely on accident or knocked the kid over because it thought it was playing (i.e. for funsies).

          In all cases it’s because the dog was never trained how to be around people.

        2. My sister’s dog walked across a large room and nipped my toddler for being, well, a toddler. Seriously, my kid wasn’t even making noise at the time, but the dog decided it was time for biting. This wasn’t the world’s best-behaved dog by any means (and one of the worst toddlers) but zero provocation other than existing.

          My sister was horrified and my mom definitely wanted to make it into A Whole Thing, but since the bite didn’t break the skin, I just decided maybe they shouldn’t be in the same room again (or at least until they got older).

          1. My cat decked my young nephew upside the head (kept his claws in, but still!). When my cat was younger he liked small children, but I hadn’t thought through the fact that he was now older and also that somebody shutting a door to keep the toddler from wandering off meant the cat couldn’t leave the room either. I think he got overstimulated from too many kids in the space and just took it out on the one within reach!

            Thankfully my nephew after a good cry ended up putting the cat on a worshipful pedestal instead of developing a fear of cats, but I felt bad about it.

          2. My son is still pretty fond of dogs, though he prefers my parents’ little fluffy dog to other kinds.

    8. I’m not worked up about it, but I do kind of wonder what is going on. One of our neighbors is dealing with an untrained, unaltered large dog who gets loose and roams the neighborhood. She has mobility challenges, and the dog “belongs” to her very young grandchildren, so basically none of them are capable of going after it and bringing it back. I guess I am side-eyeing the person who put a grandma and preschool kids in this situation in the first place.

      Generally if people want to reduce stigma against their favorite breeds, they need to quit keeping them intact with no plan to prevent litters and then dumping the litters on the shelter system.

    9. You know, you could literally find fault with a million things that way with kids, too. But guess, what? They’re both pretty amazing in their innocence and excitement with the world. Maybe take a page from their book. Life is too short to be so miserable with the environment around you that you can’t control. It might be time to get on some antidepressants or something. You don’t have to love everything. But I also don’t think it’s normal to be ranting at a bunch of things that have nothing to do with you directly and taking the most uncharitable view like this. This isn’t something the animals are doing AT you. In fact, almost all of these are things owners are being lapse about. It’s no different than a toddler throwing a tantrum or needing its diaper changed by an inattentive parent and turning it into a big flame about all the world’s children. It’s a really miserable way to live.

      1. I mean no one’s leaving dirty diapers alongside the walking path. And OP specifically stated “dog owners,” not the dogs themselves.

        1. I’m glad you’ve never walked through a grocery store parking lot on a hot day where people routinely leave diapers. Can we just all agree that inconsiderate feral people suck?

        2. Oh goodness, people definitely leave dirty diapers out in the wild where I am. It’s infrequent (just like leaving dog waste bags is infrequent where I am), but it certainly happens! People who are inconsiderate suck.

      2. She explicitly said the issue was with dog owners, not with dogs? It’s also right to be upset when people neglect and mistreat children. Adult society gets way too many passes for what second class citizens minors generally are.

    10. I love dogs but oh man their owners are the worse, it causes me sooooo much rage when people put dog poo in my compost bin after it’s already been picked up. So rude to make my compost stink for two whole weeks.

      1. You shouldn’t be putting dog poop into regular compost. It needs a special process or can lead to contamination and illness. Especially don’t do it if this is a communal city composting program! Prey animal poop is good manure, not so much predators.

    11. I’m not over dog owners, but I do think that the behaviors you described are unacceptable. As I’m sure you know, some, but not all, dog owners engage in these behaviors. Please do not attribute the bad actions of some to all “dog owners” as a group. I hope that your day improves.

    12. Not reading the comments so far but as the owner of a 70lb dog, yes. I am 100% sick of all these things. So many irresponsible dog owners and they ruin it for the rest of us.

    13. Not surprised this OP is getting flamed here, but I’m with out – sick of them entirely. If I hear about one more “dog birthday” or how someone’s dog is their “baby”… Ugh.

      1. Birthday parties are really not health and safety issues. (They’re also actually kind of fun insofar as dogs do easily remember annual events and get excited about them, though any other annual tradition would work just as well.)

        1. I’m OP and I have nothing against dog birthday parties or “fur babies” – whatever. Doesn’t affect me. But if one more off-leash husky charges my baby in a public place while the owner says “teehee he’s just being friendly”…

          1. Dog owner here – an off-leash dog charging your baby is not okay. Brushing it off isn’t okay, either. It’s awful, I also hate out of control off leash dogs (having had bad experiences with them charging my dog) and it makes me wary of any off leash dog. It’s bad behavior and shouldn’t happen. I wonder why you didn’t simply post this specific complaint, which is very valid, and instead chose to make a pot-stirring post sh*tting on dog owners, generally, and asking others to do the same.

          2. I posted about not liking off leash dogs. I also don’t like stepping in crap and endless barking because owners can’t be bothered to train or take them for walks. Sue me.

    14. Off leash dogs in areas where there are not supposed to be unleashed dogs are one of my biggest pet peeves. “Don’t worry, he’s friendly!” Ok, but that doesn’t mean the leashed dog he’s approaching is.

      1. The standards are just so low.

        I’ve lived in countries where I simply never encountered an off leash dog that would act out of line or approach a stranger or another dog. I’m sure it must happen, but not often enough that I witnessed it. And the attitude seemed to be that a dog must be pretty poorly trained to require a leash in the first place, though of course that’s the responsible thing to do if necessary.

        The dogs can’t be that different; it’s the people who have low standards for leashed and unleashed behavior from their dogs. Dogs are trainable, but people either leave them to their own devices or actually encourage them to behave the way they do.

    15. Much like I feel about kids, I love my dogs and can’t stand other people’s dogs. The dogs are not to blame, but lazy, entitled and -I’ll say it, stupid – owners are to blame. Same with ill behaved children.

    16. I love dogs though I can’t have my own (spouse is super allergic and scheduling issues). That said, I do find it frustrating that people insist on taking their dogs to stores and restaurants that specifically don’t allow dogs. No, it is not cute that your little dog is sitting on the counter in the coffee shop or barking at people in the middle of Target. A little consideration goes a long way.

      1. Right. Imagine someone taking the diaper off their baby and sitting their bare ass on the counter of the coffee shop. Everyone would be like omg unsanitary!

        Your little dog’s asshole is the same.

  12. Just wanted to say the sweater featured SUCKED. It weighs a ton. And the buttons aren’t able to carry the weight, so the placket curves with every button instead of lying flat and straight. And it is super boxy. Was a huge disappointment. I like the style but the execution was horrible.

    1. Ugh, I have found that with almost any sweater in this style. I know it would drive me bonkers, so I have skipped this trend.

      1. I found a similar one on Amazon that I think is quite good. It’s 100% coton and a nice weight. The brand is PrettyGarden. I’ll link in a subsequent post.

          1. Oh I’ve had that on my wish list forever but haven’t pulled the trigger. Glad to hear it’s nice!

    2. I also find thick cotton sweaters to be too heavy for the amount of warmth given. In terms of weight to warmth, wool is better and cashmere is the best.

      1. This one is exactly like this.! It feels like a weighted blanket on your shoulders but isn’t actually meant for warmth.

  13. White pants: how much do we care about cellulite? Is it a “everyone has it so wtf cares” situation, a “I should be wearing full body spanx” situation, or a “the unicorn pair of pants will make this a non-issue” situation?

    I missed the deadline to return some old navy white jeans last year, at size 18 they are now 2 sizes too big. Trying them out but can’t get over feeling like I’m too jiggly for them.

    1. Do you have some Jockey Skimmies? If so, give those a try. If that doesn’t make you happy, I would move on from this purchase.

    2. In my 30s I cared very deeply about cellulite showing through light colored pants. In my 40s I do not care one bit.

    3. Looser is better when it comes to white pants. But I don’t wear anything that makes me feel bad about myself. Donate them.

    4. I hate mine. And no – everyone doesn’t have it. Even when I was stick thin as a teen athlete, I had a lot of cellulite. A lot of it is genetic.

      I haven’t worn white pants in years, but do search for ones with more structure and size up.

      Yeah, it is my insecurity. But I don’t shave all the hair off my body or use botox or dye my hair. So we all have our own insecurities.

    5. A combo of all three, I think. Most of us have it, so cellulite itself isn’t embarrassing, but when it’s visible through clothes the clothes read as too tight to me. Solvable with full body spanx, unicorn pants, or sizing up as someone else suggested.

  14. Has anyone had a gum graft or something along those lines? I have a back tooth that has lost a lot of the gum, to the point where the root is just peeking out. My dentist pointed it out at my last appointment and it feels like it’s gotten worse. I have massive dental anxiety so all I can think about is my teeth falling out. I generally have really good dental hygiene so this is stressing me out and I just want it fixed!

    1. Some years ago I had gum disease and ended up with extraction, gum graft, and an implant. I was FREAKED OUT but none of it was all that painful. Go to a periodontist and see what they say.

    2. I think it can be genetic, or at least not caused by something you did. My sister had it done 20+ years ago. I don’t recall it being a big deal or that her kids had it.

    3. Is that what the dentist suggested? Do you want to get a second opinion?

      I’ve had receding gums from bruxism, and had to start wearing a mouthguard. I haven’t needed a gum graft.

      I try to get multiple opinions before going forward with any major dental work.

    4. I have had gum recession for two decades. My prior dentists never mentioned it, the current one was horrified at my first appointment and said I needed grafts immediately. I have a friend who is a specialist periodontist in this exact area; he said there is no reason to do anything if the recession hasn’t changed in years and isn’t causing me problems. Just told me to have the dentist monitor the amount of recession and reach back out if it changes. It hasn’t.

    5. It’s not something I’d do for fun but the experience wasn’t terrible. They took the tissue from the roof of my mouth – having stitches in two places was probably the worst thing. The pain was pretty bad the first night but after that was just uncomfortable.

      1. +1 to this. I remember it being painful briefly (first 24 hrs) but better than having the teeth fall out.

    6. I’ve had extensive gum grafting, all using tissue from the roof of my mouth. It’s not fun, but it’s bearable. If they offer nitrous oxide during the procedure, definitely go for it! They give me a light plastic mouthguard that covers the roof of my mouth, which makes the tissue donation site much less painful. I usually take a day off work afterwards. The most annoying part is having to eat a soft food diet for two weeks afterwards. I don’t know if everyone has to be so careful with eating afterwards or if it’s just for more extensive grafts. I have had 3-4 adjacent teeth grafted each time, am due for my final grafting (I hope) in September.

    7. I have had 2 gum grafts. It isn’t fun but the recovery is manageable. I agree with the advice to get 2nd-3rd opinions. My gums have been pretty stable since the grafts.

      I do recommend trying to get the post-op meds ahead of time. I am single and live alone. It was not fun to leave the dental practice post-op and have to drive to the pharmacy and sit around waiting for those meds so I could finally head home with my fresh wounds.