Wednesday’s Workwear Report: Jade Jacket

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1. Is there such a thing as a bright lamp? Lately it seems like all lamps I add to my home are very dim either because of a heavy shade, small bulb or something else. But overhead lighting seems classless and hurts my eyes. I just don’t want to squint!

   1. I’m in the thick of this right now. I learned a lot by joining a subreddit on lighting and ended up working with a local lighting company. The reddit made me realize that in my 8 foot ceiling rooms, my table lamps ended at 4 feet, and the rest of the area was only served by recessed ceiling lights (which I hate). We are adding some layers of lighting to help with that. The lighting person also helped me decided what types of bulbs were best. TL:DR – read on the reddit, head to a lighting store. Bring lots of pictures, a rough diagram of your space and what is working and not. And a credit card. Lamps are not cheap!

   2. Brighter bulbs are available, but they’ll hurt your eyes same as the overhead. Most people need more lamps vs. brighter lamps.

      1. IDK how you add lamps fast enough for good lighting without looking like “Ye Olde Lamp Shoppe”, not to mention the dusting required for that (and the Roomba’s hatred of cords). I’d love a sconce if it didn’t involve ripping through a wall and needing to repaint after the wiring is done, but the light I need for reading (key, very key with WFH) is not the light for cozy feelings and I can’t have two lighting schemes in my house (so surgical suite lighting it is).

   3. IDK why overhead lighting is classless, but it may be that I’m classless and really uninformed. I do hate a circa 2000 boob light, but that’s not the only overhead option.

      1. I think the angle of the light is usually unflattering to both humans and interior spaces, and in the evening when it’s supposed to be dark in particular, it can make a social setting feel about as comfortable as a hospital exam room.

         1. We have dimmers for exactly this. Also, don’t most rooms have lamps and overheads? You don’t have to use all of the lights all of the time.

            1. These are some reasonable solutions!

         2. By the time the light was unflattering to me, the presbyopia made me need brighter light for tasks. But if I’m just chilling, I can adjust what I have on or just use a dimmer. I have an old house with not a lot of overhead lighting but needed to add it to the kitchen and some work space rooms. You can use pendants, some of which are very charming.

      2. I have overheard lighting with warm light bulbs and dimmers in the main living areas and my bedroom. This works great for me!

         Overhead lighting with cool white light bulbs bothers my eyes after a certain point, and can be too bright if there’s no dimmer.

         1. Same. My house is too dark for my liking with only lamps.

      3. When I lived in an apartment with minimal overhead lighting I hated it. Lamps are never bright enough and you need so many of them to get halfway adequate lighting. OP, just install dimmers.

      4. For me it isn’t classless, but at night, I feel as though I’m in a fishbowl. I’m the poster above who has the recessed ceiling lights and if they are on at night, I feel like the room is one giant observation lab.

   4. Consider having three way floor and/or table lamps with three way bulbs. The bulbs come in variations such as 50/100/150 or 30/70/100 watt equivalents. You can go for mood lighting, normal lighting, or “I dropped my earring back on the floor and need to find it” lighting.

      1. For that, it’s easier to turn off all lights and use a flashlight to catch a glimpse of metallic sparkle.

   5. Have a variety of lights at different heights. On the credenza, standing lamp near your chair and overhead. Buy warm colored bulbs. Add dimmers to your overhead lights. We have horrid 70s overhead lights but they are fine dimmed.

   6. We have a lot of LED lights in our house that were installed before we moved in. We hate them and use oil lamps to calm the mood down after 8 p.m.

   7. Overhead lighting is good for cleaning lights, brighten the whole room lights and can be stylish, but real lamps, not downlights and spots.

      Wall sconces or floor lights pointing upwards lighting top walls and ceilings are good for evening mood light.

      Floor or table lamps for area lights.

      Daylight bulb lights for reading lamps.

      Hanging, lower sculptural light over kitchen or dining room table.

   8. It depends both on the wattage equivalent of the bulb (which is also limited a bit by the fixture its in) and the warmth of the light. On the warmth, you’re looking for the Kelvin rating: lower numbers are more yellow, higher numbers are more blue. We personally find yellower lights are noticeably darker even at higher wattage. We like 3000 Kelvin and for the main fixture in the room, typically choose a 6 watt equivalent, less for a secondary light source.

      1. +1 to the wattage of the bulb being different from the color.

         Also, have you tried a very bright floor lamp that projects upward?

   9. lol at “classless”

      Like, which “class” are we offending or omitting ourselves from with… overhead lights? You can just say you don’t like them, not everything is a sociological grievance.

      1. Classless as a word choice comes off as problematic any more. Very “Karenish”.

2. I know there are at least several readers here who have spouses with depression or anxiety. What are your best tips for protecting yourself and taking care of yourself? I know why it’s important to do but struggle with execution in a healthy way that doesn’t involve isolating myself from him or catastrophizing.

   1. My evergreen recommendations:
      – “How You Can Survive While They’re Depressed” and “Depression Fallout” by Anne Sheffield
      – prioritizing your sleep, hydration, exercise
      – being honest with friends about what is happening

      Other options:
      – your own therapist
      – NAMI Family Support Groups (all free)

   2. Deciding what is actually important to help with. Ie I’m not going to try to babysit his emotions, but I am going to glance at his pill case every day because he has a very strong habit of forgetting to take meds and it messes things up for days. I’ll also give a nudge when I think he’s gone into a bad pattern (doom scrolling, staying up super late etc)
      People here will tell you your partner must be fully self sufficient and doing something like that is mothering or something… fine, but it keeps things running more smoothly in our house, and he does similar “nudging” to me on other things.

3. I’m overweight and out of shape. Just sticking to a workout program is hard for me. How important are rest days for lifting – if I can make it work T/W/Th that may be it. Was going to try Strong Lifts but that looks like it requires rest days? Even at my stage?

   1. You will probably be very, very sore when you start and you will need your rest days. Maybe you can lift on T and Th, and do cardio on Wednesday?

   2. Perfect is the enemy of the good enough. Do whatever schedule makes it easier for you to start; if your main struggle is sticking to a workout program, you are not at a stage where you need to worry about optimizing your lifting schedule. Just be conservative with your workouts in the beginning to minimize injury risk (or getting sidetracked by delayed onset muscle soreness), and don’t work the same muscle group two days in a row.

   3. I agree with both of these comments: recovery days are very important and perfect is the enemy of the good.
      If you have three consecutive days when you can workout, then use those. You could do an upper body/lower body split so Week 1: T/TH is upper body and W is lower body and then flip it for the following week. If you want to do whole body workouts, then do those T/TH and either do cardio on W (light cardio plus a 15 minute stretch really helps my body recover from a workout the day before) or something like a slow walk or stretch class on W. I wouldn’t suggest doing whole body lifting three days in a row.

      The goal for all of us no matter where we are on our fitness journeys is progress not perfection.

      1. This. Just do what you can. I have found starting out with lifting that it actually helps to isolate upper body and lower body and focus more on form. You should be fine as long as you’re not doing a shoulder workout three days in a row, etc.

   4. In my high school weightlighting PE class we were taught that you need a rest day before working the same muscle group again, to allow time for the muscle fiber to repair itself.

   5. Rest days are important for building muscle. On your rest days try to get in at least 8,000 steps, or some other kind of cardio.

   6. T/W/Th is better than no exercise – you just may progress slower. Ways to adapt a program to your schedule is focusing each day on one muscle group (ie maybe legs is t/th and w is arms & core and a rest day for your legs). Or replace W with a gentler workout – yoga, or cardio and generous stretching, or a nice long walk. But something is better than nothing.

   7. as you are describing yourself as very out of shape i assume you aren’t lifting super heavy and it’s probably fine. that said agree that tuesday and thursday could be weights and wednesdays a good stretch or yoga or a walk… good luck. it’s so hard.

   8. done is better than perfect.

      I went many years without regular exercise because I could never find time for the perfect schedule.

      Now I do 20 minutes of weight lifting on M/T/W because that’s when it works, and just try to get a few more steps or stairs or random stretching on the other days.

      It’s not perfect, it’s not enough, but I’ve been doing it for 3 years now so that’s 160 or more hours of exercise vs. the 0 I would have done if I were trying to be “ideal”.

      1. I’ve been doing about 15 minutes on an elliptical machine (I try to go pretty fast) and then weights, either machine or free weights (I mostly use 12-15 lb dumbbells) 2-3 days a week. I do the same muscle groups daily, and it doesn’t seem to be a problem.

         I think people get too hung up on the “right” way to do workouts. For sure be careful about form and don’t hurt yourself, but for most of us I don’t think it matters if we don’t have a formal schedule.

      2. I just want to say: It IS enough if it’s sustainable for you. It all counts, it all builds, it all stacks. Don’t diminish your accomplishment in building a consistent workout routine that works for you and your body.

   9. If you’re totally new, would highly recommend scheduling a few personal training sessions and get some feedback on your form (maybe one to start and one a few weeks in). A good rule of thumb for beginners is that if your fatigue/soreness is enough that you can’t maintain good form, don’t lift – that’s how you get injured. (Switch to an easier workout, take a rest day, cross training day, etc). If your form is still good, you’re good.

4. Apologize as I think this was asked recently, but what aggregator site do you use to search for hotels? Am trying to book a Fall vacation and just relying on google is dizzying. Is there a great site that allows lots of filters, has accurate information and pricing, and does not have incessant pop ups?

   1. A no-fee travel advisor. If you want to DIY, Tripadvisor is the best bet imo although it’s increasingly riddled with ads and the pricing isn’t always accurate.

   2. I use Expedia and swear by it. I have Platinum status on it just based on the number of nights I stay per year. They have great customer service agents who have helped me both cancel a nonrefundable reservation due to illness and pushed a different hotel to find me a room when the hotel lost my reservation.

   3. I use booking dot com to search for what hotels exist in my chosen area, and always check prices directly with the hotel as well.

      Booking and tripadvisor to search reviews for my specific needs, google maps for steer views of surroundings and route from transport. Phone call to hotel if needed.

      1. This is very similar to what I do. I search booking.com and Google maps for hotels, and then check prices on the hotel website especially if it’s not a chain.

   4. Kayak, cross-referencing with Trip Advisor. Be sure to get a sign-in with both because you can get “insider” pricing deals sometimes.

5. I am having trouble adjusting to the lady jacket, boxy/wide pant, boxy T- type silhouettes. How can I keep adjusting my eye? Is there a current tv show or movie that has power women wearing these shapes? Vogue seems outlandish compared to my real life. I just need to train my eye!

   1. I feel like most current styles were worn by CBK, so maybe watch Love Story?

   2. Solidarity. I tend to be a late adopter of things, and the boxy silhouette does me zero favors. I really like the look on others, though. I like this silhouette way more than I ever liked the tunic + skinnies look. That said, I have a pair of wide-leg pants that fit perfectly through the waist, hips, and thighs, which are usually the areas I struggle with. But it is so much fabric around the leg. I feel sloppy wearing them! For whatever reason, I find trouser cuts, flares, and bootcuts to be much more forgiving and wearable.

      1. As far as training the eye goes, looking at how retailers are styling individual pieces has helped me get a better eye for which shapes look best together. I am not high fashion, so anything like Vogue is totally lost on me, lol.

         1. The appeal of Vogue is totally lost on me. Some of the articles are witty at times, but the visuals… ugh.

      2. Imho lady jackets that hit at (or just above) the waistband of flares/bootcuts are also a very current look, especially with a tucked in blouse and a belt.

   3. I look at Veronica Beard styling

6. Posting a slightly different question than I did the other day (and thanks to those who responded to that post). Booking September vacation starting in Vancouver. Love the idea of staying near the waterfront, but am told daily cruise ship dockings make that area super crowded (and can’t afford the most recommended hotel there anyway, the Fairmont Pacific Rim). What other areas would you recommend? Downtown? And, if you have personal experience with hotels there ,please list them. Budget is about $750 per night.

   1. I think your budget will allow for a much fancier hotel (and it was 10+ years ago that we stayed) but we loved the Georgian Court.

   2. Last summer I stayed at the Granville Island Hotel and it was lovely. No cruise ship dockings there.

   3. Eh, waterfront isn’t the most dynamic area anyways. Stay near a Metro station. Van has great service and it’s really easy to get around. We typically stay in Yaletown near the Metro station and we love it. Easy access to Granville Island via sea taxi and Metro access to everything else.

7. I’d posted last week about whether to attend an estranged parent’s funeral, and someone anticipating being in a similar situation asked me to post a follow up. Here goes.

   I decided to attend. While it was a mentally and emotionally challenging experience, going was the right decision for me. I was glad to convey my condolences to my stepmother in person, as well as some other family members and family friends. I’m not going to claim there were zero weird looks, but I think everyone who was close enough to attend knew on some level what a complicated, challenging, and troubled person he was.

   A couple of things factored into my decision and my experience. First, there was a separate Celebration of Life the day before, so that was where more casual friends and acquaintances would have gone; I was not invited and would not have thought it was appropriate to attend even if I had been. Second, he was a veteran who was buried in a military cemetery–the graveside service was brief, outdoors, and the weather was as nasty as the forecast indicated, so there was an obvious reason to leave within a few minutes of the service’s conclusion. Finally, my husband witnessed the events leading to my estrangement from my father, and I knew I could rely on him to be my rock.

   I’ve seen a few posts here over the years saying that we as a society jump to estrangement too quickly. For me, there was no way to continue having a relationship with my father that would have left my dignity, integrity, and self-worth intact. The peace I found in no longer hearing the threats and insults; of no longer having to stand up to the beratement, manipulation and abuse (a word that I had never applied to my situation, until a therapist looked at me and said, “You do realize that what you are describing is abuse, don’t you?”); or being forced to question my own lived reality, were all side benefits.

   I would not wish this situation on anyone.

   1. I’m sorry for your loss of your father, which occurred long before his death. You don’t have to justify estrangement to me. We have a resident cyberbully here who likes to say “some of you don’t deserve family,” which is a pattern of abuse in itself – trying to make people feel worthless and unworthy of love. You deserved more than you got from your father.

      1. I haven’t seen this cyberbully you reference. The person you are describing is one who is doing the Lord’s work of reminding commenters that it is not OK to treat your spouse’s family of origin poorly in an effort to fully control the dynamic of their husband and children. This will go poorly for them and frankly it is nothing but a control tactic.

         What OP describes is completely different, and her experience sounds painful. OP, you sound very brave to me for going. Thank you for following up.

         1. That’s not what this poster (you?) is doing at all. This person repeatedly says that anyone who does not want to sacrifice everything for their family of origin hates their family of origin.

            1. And not just hates them, but is unworthy of having a family at all. It’s breathtakingly vicious and cruel.

         2. There she is!

            1. Not me, because I don’t appreciate frequent use of the same phrasing like this commenter does, but I’m more or less on board with the sentiment. Some people like to manipulate their partners to ditch their families of origin, I’ve seen it play out, and I’ve seen the divorces. It turns out that a lot of people who were made to “cleave” from their families end up resenting this decades later.

         3. There’s definitely “some of you hate family” comments that appear in different contexts.

         4. There is at least one commenter who deifies family and acts as though it is a mortal sin for anyone to acknowledge that some people (yes, even family) just really suck and don’t deserve a role in your life. That person? Every time they post I remind myself that they are fortunate to have not experienced the trauma that many others have, are ignorant that their experience is not universal, are so emotionally unintelligent that they don’t know when to keep their opinions to themselves, and are narcissistic enough to think those opinions are valuable enough to plaster around with impunity.

            I appreciate OP and others like her who post about their own family estrangement. It reminds me that I am not the only one whose life experiences led me to choose and enforce estrangement from a parent, and that my own mental health is worthy of these boundaries.

            1. +1000.

      2. I genuinely wonder if the poster(s) who are so extremely anti-estrangement believe that divorce is never (or almost never) acceptable.

         1. I think it’s probably a bit different–treat others the way you want to be treated. I think the reason the two couples from the scenario the other day struck such chord is that half of the commenters truly believed that it was reasonable to state that it was perfectly normal and fine to skip a brother’s wedding for a 10-year pregnancy window. But I doubt they would want to be treated that way themselves.

            People who are abusive are a separate box.

            1. I would never demand that anyone travel to attend my wedding. I was blown away by how many people did come, including my mother, but I don’t resent those who stayed home because of babies.

            2. What bothered me in that thread was the people saying that it was reasonable of Bride 2 to demand that her future BIL and SIL plan their childbearing around her wedding halfway across the globe.

            3. Hmm….. I don’t think that really addresses the question and that scenario didn’t have anything to do with abuse or estrangement.  My question is more about how abuse is defined and whether we are expected to accept that from family.  We’ve had people here say that displays of anger, or yelling, by male partners is abuse, even if it is very infrequent (I’m not taking sides on this). But I wonder if the anti-estrangement contingent would consider this behavior, or worse behavior that doesn’t rise to the level of physical abuse, to be “abusive,” meriting distancing or estrangement, when it comes from family, not a partner.  I have a hard time imagining that most posters would advise a woman to stay with a male partner who treated her the way some family members treat others. So to the people who think it’s never acceptable to cut off family members, does this also apply to marriage? That’s what I’m curious about.

            4. The 10 year pregnancy window was definitely a bit naive/optimistic, but I think a lot of reasonable, non-estranged people would not necessarily travel all the way to India for a sibling’s wedding. The time and cost is too significant for many, and it didn’t sound like Couple 1 was super affluent. We had a destination-ish wedding in the continental US (I say “ish” because our friends and family lived all over, so no matter where we had it, it was going to involve a flight for most) and I was so appreciative of those who made the trip but we didn’t hold it against anyone who couldn’t go – even those who didn’t have a firm conflict and were simply not prioritizing it for their limited PTO and budget. And India is a completely different level of travel.

      3. Thank you for your kind words.

         I posted here when the precipitating incident happened, and I needed legal counsel. I will never forget the commenter who told me I was being ridiculous and asked if I’d considered talking to my dad. It felt like being slapped in the face. I cried in my office.

         Of course, I must also mention the kind, helpful comments, and a regular commenter who reached out to her network to find me a lawyer. I really needed help, I had no idea where to turn, and this community came through for me when I needed it most.

         1. Hug.

   2. Thank you so much for taking the time to let us know your decision, and how it went. Am so glad you made the right decision for yourself, that you have a partner who is a rock, and that it worked out the way it did. Hope you find some peace in all of this.

      1. Thank you. I hope sharing this someday helps someone else arrive at the right decision for them, whether that looks like my choice or something different.

   3. Thank you for this update.

   4. Everyone’s life is easier to run from the outside.

      A lot of people who say that people are “too quick” to jump to estrangement are trying to make a happy story. I don’t think anyone has the right to try to “fix” my life and I wouldn’t wish the abuse on anyone.

      I’m estranged from my parents and my biggest regret in life is not doing it decades sooner. I’m the one who commented a while back about an older brother who threatened to shoot me dead at a holiday. My family sided with him and berated me for not attending. I tried to make things work with them for a solid decade after that, and it was a decade that wrecked me in every way possible.

      I feel comfortable talking about it anonymously here; I am livid that people who are total social clods would force me to choose between their condescension and dumping huge amounts of trauma on them. People – if it’s actually bad, there’s a reason why you aren’t being told about it!

      1. My partner has been estranged from his father for over 30 years because he is a bad man who committed terrible crimes. I believe you.

      2. Some of us are never going to have a happy ending with our families of origin. I wish it were different and I’m glad you have found peace.

      3. I remember your story and I’m glad you cut them off. There is no justification for pressuring you to see them “because that’s what you do for family.”

      4. I believe you.

         I’m estranged from my father but there isn’t some horrid story behind it. He abandoned me when I was 5. I found him and his kids from a prior marriage when I turned 18. He had mostly abandoned them too, but ex wife 1 had made sure he had at least some time with them. I’m not sure what’s worse honestly. Expecting a father to be there and he constantly disappoints, or knowing without a doubt that your father doesn’t want you.

         There wasn’t really any big blow up when I talked to them. They just didn’t make an effort. Eventually I stopped calling and no one ever called me. That was 20 years ago. I see their Facebook posts still. They frequent a garden 15 minutes from my house. I’m always there and posting about it. They’ve never reached out to ask to get together. I’ve never met them in person. If I went to his funeral, it would be to say goodbye to the reunion I’d hoped (maybe still hope?) we would have one day.

         And before anyone says just give it one more try — I’m not going to beg the family that abandoned me to have a relationship with me. If they want to get in touch then they know how to reach me. But I am not inviting further rejection by trying (again) with them.

         1. I relate to this and I won’t beg either.

         2. If it helps to hear from someone else, your decision not to continue reaching out sounds completely reasonable. I’m sorry.

            If I can make one suggestion, it would be to mute them on Facebook.

   5. Thank you for sharing your update. I am glad you found peace in your decision, and hope you are able to continue forward knowing you are indeed the best person suited to decide your own relationships.

   6. You all are reminding me – I had dinner at the most lovely NYC restaurant recently – called The FYC /NYC. Turns out the FYC stands for the Family You Collect. Love that sentiment so much!

   7. I’m the person (one of the people?) who asked for an update. I’ve been thinking about you. Thank you for posting.

8. If the basic Rothys flat works well for your feet for all-day walking and standing, what else do your feet like? I am shocked, shocked how no matter what I’ve tried (loafers with hard soles, loafers with lug soles, boots and booties of various sorts with rubber soles, sandals), nothing works as well as them. I have a closet full of lightly worn B-/C+ other shoes that I just need to donate now that I’ve got a neuroma that means business and I’m going to have to invest in shoes that work.

   IDK why the Rothys work for me. Narrow heels, high arches, and triangular feet, especially on one foot that is almost C width at the ball of my foot due to having a broken little toe that never healed right a long time ago. 8.5, which is often the size that fits in other brands even if the shoe aggravates (and I usually try on from an 8 to a 9 in stores; 9W Hokas also feel really good on my feet but I just wear the trail runners, which aren’t as cushiony).

   1. On cloud sneakers. Teva sandals (the styles with thicker soles). Sorel for boots and booties. Frye depending on the style. For the neuroma, a cortisone shot (hands down the most painful procedure I’ve ever had, including childbirth, but it resolved the symptoms).

   2. Cole Haan usually works for me, though the solution for a lot of shoes is inserts (just the ones you buy at CVS or Walgreens, not fancy custom orthotics)

   3. Have you tried the Rothy’s loafers?

9. Does anyone have primary biliary cholangitis? Just had a positive blood test and I’m waiting on the follow-up appt with my doctor.

   1. No, but the journalist Annie Lowrey does and has written about it in the Atlantic and talked about it in podcast interviews.

   2. My husband has the cousin disease, primary sclerosis cholangitis. We have really appreciated attending the annual patient conference and it looks like PBC has one too. Don’t dive too deep until you know for sure! No point is scaring yourself by reading things online.

10. What shape workout pants do you consider current? I thought we were doing flares if you’re older, wide leg if you’re younger, leggings depending on workout or for the full outfit look. Just bought some (admittedly at Costco) and they’re like flared leggings, supper tight down to mid-calf and then long loose bottoms. I feel like an ice skater, also because they are too long on me.

    1. I’m not running in flared leggings. My workout pants are skinnies. Anything else is going to result in an accident.

11. Thoughts on Casey Means? She sounds like bad news as surgeon general.

    1. Same vein as RFK Jr–there might be some good ideas in there (yes, ultraprocessed foods probably aren’t good for our health and yes, we probably overuse pesticides and could improve all these things), but it’s mixed in with too much crazy to be worth it.

       1. She and her brother introduced RFK to Trump in the early 2020s. They call him “Bobby.” She will instill RFK’s agenda without question.

    2. Yes, bad. At least she can’t do as much damage in that position compared with RFK Jr at HHS, and the NIH fiasco.

    3. Absurd. And the FDA political appointees derailing vaccines and cancer treatments should burn in hell.

12. I bought athleta rainier leggings for cold weather running and I loooove them (sometimes I go on a run just to wear them). I think it’s the compression and the softness I really like. Now that it’s getting warmer, I’d like to get the closest equivalent that doesn’t have the fleece inside. Any recommendations, at athleta or otherwise, for something similar but less warm? I don’t have a store near me to try on in person. I am tall and wear a tall size for the rainier leggings.

    1. I like the Athlete Elation leggings for softness + compression. I hate the Rainier leggings because the zipper is stiff and irritating.

    2. Rainier is in a class of its own, imho. Elation has the soft fabric but they are terrible for running. They don’t have enough waist compression and slip down. They are comfy for daily wear, though. For running, I prefer the Interval leggings.

       1. Agreed that I cannot wear Elation leggings for running. And I love the Rainier leggings too!

       2. I find Elation to work well for running. They are more compressive than something like the LLL Align, and they don’t fall down on me. It probably has to do with body shape. I am straight up and down.

       3. I agree. I really like Rainier, but for running in weather where they’re too much, I prefer Vuori Daily leggings.

    3. I like Sweaty Betty’s Power leggings, although they only have a pocket on one side, which annoys some people. But the prints are cute, and the compression and softness is great. They also have a drawstring waist and stay up for me. They are pretty thin/light, so good for spring/fall.

       1. PS – I am using them for running

    4. Super helpful, thanks all!

    5. I like my Rainier leggings, too. They feel great after a day of downhill skiing.

13. Where do you guys buy matching sets from – slightly cropped (or not) tops and pants/midi skirt? Google keeps giving me SHEIN results, and I like those styles/designs and do not want to buy from SHEIN (for all the reasons!). Any recommendations?

    1. Revolve has them

    2. My husband has just discovered matching sets and keeps asking me why I don’t have any (I have a visceral reaction to them) but he keeps reporting back whenever he sees them at the airport or a southern sporting event. I think it’s funny. No advice or suggestions.

    3. PSA for google searches: you can put “-shein” along with your search to exclude shein or whatever other place you want to exclude in your results.

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