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On this snowy day, I thought I'd have some fun with the coffee break — I am literally drooling over the “ocean” color of Yves Saint Laurent's spring collection. I like the “Roady,” the large leather hobo, but I can't shake the feeling that the Muse is a classic (even though, I think, it's only 5 years old or so). Love the topstitching, the goldtone hardware, and the large size. It's $1,450 at Nordstrom. Yves Saint Laurent ‘Muse – Large' Leather Dome Satchel
COS
Love. Nice pick. Great color. I want this, but just haven’t crossed the threshold into 4-digits on bags. But if I was ready, this would be the one.
fresh jd
100% agree.
Ru
Concur, it’s GORGEOUS.
anon
LOVE LOVE the Muse Bags! Been considering this style as a replacement for my dark leather laptop bag for awhile now.
Does anyone know if this bag is a) big enough and b) burly enough to carry a 12-inch laptop and/or a netbook and portfolio folder? Am I crazy for even thinking I should repurpose a YSL that way? I do a lot of sales work, so it’s 1-2 hour meetings a couple of days a week, and the rest of time laptop is in docking station at home.
SF Bay Associate
Wow, totally gorgeous.
Must. Resist. Purchasing. With. Bonus.
Must. Save. For. A. House.
Merry R.
I have MAD LOVE for that color!
If anyone knows where I can buy a decent shirt or blouse in that gorgeous teal blue, please say so!
eaopm3
I am in love with this color, too. I recently got a dress by Gianni Bini from Dillards in this color. I have a blouse as well. Check out the Dillards website, Gianni Bini, then narrow the field to blue. There are a number of dresses and blouses in this color. I have the Nina dress. Not as short or as shapeless as it looks on the model.
Anonymous
threadjack – can anyone recommend a doctor in the DC area?? I need to see someone soon, it’s ok if they don’t take insurance as long as they’re not too costly. Prefer downtown/NW close to a metro stop. Thanks!!
AnonymousFRA
Not in DC, but you might get more suggestions if you specify what type of doctor you need (GP, gyn, etc…)
Laura
Do you have any friends/co-workers who you would feel comfortable asking? When I was new to my city and didn’t know anyone, I used Yelp to find doctors/dentist, and it worked out well. I’d take personal recommendations over Yelp, but if you don’t get what you’re looking for, it’s an option.
Guest
Check out the Medical Faculty Associates. Its affiliated with GW and has lots of excellent doctors.
Its also very close to Foggy Bottom.
What kind of doctor are you looking for who wouldn’t take insurance?
anon in chicago
maybe the OP means that it’d be ok if they don’t take her particular insurance?
Anonymous
yes, I meant that at this point I don’t care whether or not they take insurance, I’ve generally had better care anyways with doctors who don’t take insurance (but only done this w/ specialists).
I’m looking for a general doctor / internist, not a specialist.
Thanks for the suggestions so far!
Anon DC
Second for Medical Faculty Associates. Every doctor I’ve seen there, I’ve liked (RE, OB/GYN and Internist). I started out at G’Town for my OB/GYN and I hated the whole practice – and the facility was a dump.
Jay
I loved these docs when I lived in DC. Got me in quickly, took the time to answer questions, gave me great care. And they took my insurance.
anon
Medstar (owns Georgetown Hospital) is opening a new family practice clinic in February at 5454 Connecticut Ave., NW — it is right across the street from the Friendship Heights metro stop.
Anonymous
Dr. Nada Roche on 19th between L and M and her partner, Dr. Stone, are both great. They take BCBS and other insurance. I haven’t gone to a primary care doctor at GW Faculty Associates (gwdocs.com), but my gyno is there and I’ve seen a few specialists there and they’ve always been great too.
Anonymous
And if you need urgent care, Medics USA near Dupont Circle and Farrugut Medical and Travel Care both take walk-ins. They require payment at the time of service, but will provide you with an invoice for insurance reimbursement.
anon for this
Threadjack. I applied for a new job in finance and called today to check in on the status of my application. It’s a small company and I was transferred to the voicemail of the recruiting director. On her voicemail I introduced myself and said “I’m calling to check in on the status of my application. My phone number is xxx xxx xxx but I’m sure you’re busy so I’ll probably call back this afternoon.” Should I call again? I don’t want to be annoying, but I said I might. What I’d like to get out of this interaction is for my application to go on top of all those where the applicant did not call in (although probably below those with some personal connection to the company).
E.E.
Given that you said you would, yes, I’d give another call.
Laura
Somewhat related question: does this tactic work? I’ve heard everything from “calling/emailing demonstrates interest” to “don’t call or initiate contact unless you have a specific question, otherwise it’s just a waste of someone’s time.”
Does calling actually make a difference, or are people so desperate for jobs these days that everyone calls and it’s viewed as an annoyance?
JessC
I think there’s a difference between calling or emailing once to check in and calling/emailing several times. I can’t imagine most people would be bothered by a one-time check in, especially if it’s been a while since you submitted the application or, if following an interview, the time-frame they gave you in which they plan to make a decision has passed.
For the future, I would have phrased the VM something like: “Hi, my name is JessC. I submitted an application to your office on (insert date). I just wanted to verify that it was received and check on its status. When you have a moment, if you could please call me at XXX-XXXX or email me at Name@email.com, I’d greatly appreciate it. Thanks for your time.”
Associette
“I’m sure you’re busy so I’ll probably call back this afternoon” = ok that probably was not the most polished voicemail ever… That said, I agree with E.E. because you said it you have to call. I would f/u in a VM or direct conversation with, “I am interested in speaking with you directly because I am enthusiastic about this position.” (As a way to explain why you’ve acknowledged that she is busy, but that you should contact her twice in one day regardless)… If VM: “Kindly contact me at XYZ if I may offer any additional information to you, and the hiring committee. Thank you much for your time.” Or if you speak with her in person…say about the same thing. DO NOT offer to call again…and do NOT call again. It’s too much!
Anon23
When my old firm hired a receptionist they kept putting off making a decision because they were too busy with regular every day tasks. One lady who regularly called to check in was given an interview and ultimately the job. The managing partner was impressed with her bugging him. At my current job, I don’t think that tactic would work and would likely annoy.
E.E.
Agree that it can go either way. It can demonstrate interest/persistence or it can be extremely annoying and show a certain disrespect for the process. Just depends who’s on the receiving end. I personally would not like to receive such calls if I was in a position to hire someone.
anan for this
Thanks for the feedback. Indeed, it was not the most polished VM – in the past (when applying at bigger firms) I’ve typically been connected to a secretary who told me that all my materials had been received. Being connected to the head of recruiting was a new one.
I ended up calling back and left a voicemail saying that I thought I was a good fit for the position and to please let me know if I could provide any more information. Hopefully, this treads the line of following through on what I said I’d do while not being too annoying.
anon
I usually buy bags here: http://www.elaineturner.com, but have recently told myself that I’m refraining from purchasing until I can spend for a purse such as this. I think that will be about 2020 when my second child graduates high school. Oh no, then I have college to pay for! Drats.
eaopm3
Oh my. I want this bag. So not in the budget, though :(
E.E.
Kat, I think this bag would be just perfect for your next giveaway! Maybe you could talk Nordstrom into contributing. ;-)
Laura
Perhaps they could contribute more than one? :)
Fighting the Hon
Threadjack… What is the proper way to respond to peers who use “hon” and “dear” even when asked not to? These are not little old ladies – they are men of my age in a predominantly male company – and I have already explained that I prefer not to be called by these terms of endearment.
Is it too aggressive to email an etiquette article? If not, can anyone suggest one?
Maybe I’m being too sensitive, but I’m really catching undertones of condescension in their language.
Thanks for any input.
CBC
Address them as hon and dear in return?
Laura
This option totally appeals to my snarky side. Not sure if it’s the best way to approach the situation, but a casual “you’re welcome, dear” in response to a “thanks, hon” could get your point across. Or, it could get you some eye rolls.
FWIW, I wouldn’t be comfortable with male co-workers who were my age calling me “dear” or “hon”, either. If they were significantly older than me, I might be more inclined to roll my eyes and move on, but either way I wouldn’t like it.
lawyerette
I would do this, in a playful way, especially because you have already told them you do not like it. If not, I’d have a conversation with them in person. Use the I statement thing: “When you call me “dear” or “hon,” I feel that you do not value me as a member of the team. I am requesting that you do not refer to me in this way in the future.”
JessC
Personally, I would drive the point home even farther by calling them “sweetheart” and “darling” any time they called me one of those names (make them super uncomfortable so they get a sense of how uncomfortable it makes you). But that’s just the snarky b*tch in me. ;)
Laura
You and me both! :) This whole situation makes me mad on behalf of the OP.
Anonymous
I wouldn’t email an etiquette article. I would probably just respond “please do not address me as hon” until it sinks in.
anon
How about “No problem, babe” in response to a “Thanks, hon.”
Fighting the Hon
I actually have tried some of the response-in-kind approach, but they simply apologize light-heartedly and excuse it by saying it’s a difficult habit to break.
The offenders are both new to working with me, so I’m not sure where the habit comes from. It could be because most other women here are in an administrative position and may not have felt comfortable objecting (or didn’t feel the need to).
lawyerette
If you’ve told them “straight up” already and they continue to do it, it’s bordering on harrassment. At this point I would say: “Only my husband/boyfriend gets to call me “babe/hun,” so please stop doing it.”
lawyerette
Oh, and document all this stuff. They sound like real bullies.
LMN
this is not even close to harassment. annoying, perhaps, but not harassment.
OP, tell them again. and again. try to do it in front of someone who matters. if they won’t stop, I agree with the snarksters who say do it to them, too.
Laura
Frankly, if they want to break the habit, they can break it.
I agree w/ Lawyerette that you should document this, though I think you should do your very best to resolve it with them before bringing it up with anyone else.
I think the key is to be polite but firm, and keep calling them on it until they stop. Hopefully they’ll stop speaking that way to the other women in the office as well.
surrounded by lawyers
I’m not sure that anything casual, including calling them by such names, is going to work. These are men her own age, and she has already asked them not to call her “hon,” etc. Between these two factors, it seems like they enjoy making her feel uncomfortable and would likewise enjoy a response from her that could seem either flirty or cute-little-girl flustered. This kind of thing has happened to me too, so I totally get it, OP.
I agree with Laura that the broken record approach might be best. Without showing emotion, just deadpan–as many times as it takes–that you prefer to be called by your actual name.
surrounded by lawyers
Oops–just saw the OP’s additional info above. No longer think what I said applies.
Anonymous
It kind of depends on who they are, what their personalities are like, etc. I have a gay, male colleague not born in the US who regularly addresses me as dear. It annoys me to no end, but I let it go because he’s just being nice – I speak his native language and it’s common to use pet names or terms of endearment for one’s friends, and he carries this over to English conversations. However, if I thought he was being condescending or patronizing, or worse, sleazy, I’d put the kibosh on it right away.
There’s a fine line between being perceived as flirty (by calling them dear and hon back) and being perceived as a humorless bitch (by being shrill about it or calling it harassment, even if that’s what it is). I think you need to explain very calmly why you don’t like it and ask very politely that they stop. Next time someone calls you hon, just say something like “John, it really makes me feel belittled when you call me by a term of endearment. That form of address is something I associate with my grandfather, not something I expect from professional colleagues who work with me in an environment of mutual professional respect. Please call me by my name.”
Anonymous
It kind of depends on who they are, what their personalities are like, etc. I have a gay, male colleague not born in the US who regularly addresses me as dear. It annoys me to no end, but I let it go because he’s just being nice – I speak his native language and it’s common to use pet names or terms of endearment for one’s friends, and he carries this over to English conversations. However, if I thought he was being condescending or patronizing, or worse, sleazy, I’d put the kibosh on it right away.
There’s a fine line between being perceived as flirty (by calling them dear and hon back) and being perceived as a humorless bitch (by being shrill about it or calling it harassment, even if that’s what it is). I think you need to explain very calmly why you don’t like it and ask very politely that they stop. Next time someone calls you hon, just say something like “John, it really makes me feel belittled when you call me by a term of endearment. That form of address is something I associate with my grandfather, not something I expect from professional colleagues who work with me in an environment of mutual professional respect. Please call me by my name.”
Fighting the Hon
Thank you all for the advice, and also for confirming that this is a real issue. I will document and also take the firm-but polite broken record approach. Sometimes it’s hard for me to avoid sounding friendly or joking because I’m afraid of coming across as anonymous said – like a “humorless b–ch,” but I think I made a mistake by sarcastically responding in kind. It really does feel like bullying. I think calling them out on it in a profesisonal way by telling them it feels belittling will help, because there’s no way to misinterpret that.
Thanks again, my virtual community.
Laura
I don’t think you made a mistake by sarcastically responding in kind. You were giving them an opportunity to realize their behavior was inappropriate, which it appears they failed to do. They couldn’t take the hint=their mistake, not yours.
Hope that talking with them goes well!
Lola
This is real sexual harassment. It takes many forms. If you tell them to stop, and they don’t, then you’re fully within your rights to tell someone else. Like their boss. Or HR.
I would continue with a stern, “Seriously. I’ve asked you not to do that. I’m not your girlfriend or child.” in front of a supervisor.
Of course there can be consequences to calling them out. Would they be worse than continuing to take this belittling behavior without challenging them back? Maybe. Maybe not.
We’ve worked really hard not to have to take that shit anymore.
Fu
“thanks, sugar tits” should do the trick.
me
You beat me; I was seriously going to recommend “sugar tits” as well. “Sizzle chest” also works in a pinch.
jcb
omg, hilarious.
Bonnie
Gorgeous bag. I wish it fit into my budget and lifestyle. I usually throw a casefile into my purse and would feel bad abusing a bag like this!
jcb
The large Muse fits a redweld perfectly, plus a scarf and pair of flats, without bulging or straining. It makes a great briefcase!
jcb
For my everyday work/life, that is. I don’t go to court. I wouldn’t call it a formal briefcase or anything, whatever those may be used for.
anon for today
Thank you for saying redweld! Almost nobody knows that word.
Batgirl
Advice please, my dear Corporettes:
I had a first interview for a job that I really want right before Thanksgiving. I was told that they wanted to do a second round of interviews in the week or two to follow, then make a hire before Christmas. I didn’t hear anything back from them for a month and, at that point, sent an email saying I enjoyed meeting them and asking about the status of the position. A week later (five weeks after the interview), I was offered a second interview two weeks in the future.
I had my second interview three weeks ago now and haven’t heard a peep. They had said that they wanted to make the hire quickly but the person who currently has the job is staying on for a few more months, which may explain the delay.
I felt great about both interviews and was really hopeful after the second one because it seemed like I was the only one they asked back (they had said they planned to bring 1-3 people back for second rounds). Now, I’m starting to wonder if they’ve made an offer to someone else or if things are just busy and this isn’t a priority.
The question: do I email inquiring about the position at this point (three weeks after interview two) or do I just wait?
L
Yes, I would send an inquiry, asking about status etc. 3 weeks is a long time!
Ashley
I would send an email inquiry, since you’ve already seen that things get pushed to the back burner. I was hired into my current position after being contacted for an interview about 2 months after the initial contact about my resume. Now that I’m in the job, I realize that they really needed someone because they were so swamped… and their being swamped caused major delays in getting the person they needed!
Batgirl
They originally contacted me for a pre-interview writing request back in October!
What can the email say at this point? I don’t really want to be the girl who keeps emailing but this is getting ridiculous.
Guest
Think of it this way. Its been three-weeks in which YOU’VE thought of nothing but your interview. On the other hand, it may very well have been three-weeks in which your interviewer or HR person hasn’t thought of it at all.
Which sounds awful, but I think is actually good. It means that while you might feel like a total nag or constant e-mailer, it probably won’t feel that way to the HR person. If that makes sense.
I say e-mail. Waiting three weeks and e-mailing to check on status is totally kosher. You will take, at most, 2 minutes of the HR persons day.
Laura
I don’t think it’s at all unreasonable to say that you wanted to touch base with them and see if they have any additional information about where they are in the hiring process (obviously, you can phrase it more elegantly than that!).
Just a thought: the hiring process definitely says something about the organization. Not to say they aren’t a great organization, but it’s something to keep in mind.
Ballerina girl
I agree, but this is a nationally known organization and it’d be an amazing career opportunity. Amazing enough to overlook this.
One issue: my contact would be my boss, not someone in HR. So I don’t want to alienate him.
Laura
Totally fair :)
You’ve met this man and I haven’t, but based on what you’ve said:
1) They said they wanted to have someone hired by Christmas. So, they’re already a month behind schedule.
2) You are one of no more than three people who they liked enough to bring back for a second interview.
3) You’ve given them three weeks to respond, which seems like a very reasonable amount of time. If it was three days post-interview, it would be a different situation.
Bottom line: given these three things, I don’t think alienating him would be a concern. IMO, it seems completely reasonable to contact them at this point–you’re not pressuring them, just wanting to follow up.
AIMS
Email. Say the same thing as last time. Say you enjoyed meeting them for the 2nd interview (helpful if you can say something specific you discussed), that you are still very much interested in the position, and you would like to inquire about its status.
Nothing wrong with it. If they hired someone else, they will say so; if they haven’t, this may put a spark under them to hire you. After all, they offered you the second interview AFTER you emailed before.
Good luck!!!
Batgirl
Thanks all! Looks like the consensus is to email.
Threadjack
Sorry to threadjack so early but I have a favor to ask. I’m a 1L in my second semester. I feel pretty happy with a lot of my work but am still nervous that when I read a case, I’m not reading it critically enough. I get enough out for the exam but not for class. My classes this semester are much more theoretical and I’m scared that I will get left behind if I don’t absorb the wider frameworks or pick up on the tiny interesting details.
My question: can anyone recommend a critical reading book that would be useful? Or something helpful for reading cases in which your professor is mining every word.
Anonymous
I found it helpful to read each case a few times. The first time I would read for the overall picture, the second time to catch the details, and a third time if it was particularly complex.
Guest
It’s also not the worst idea to buy a treatise or a review book, especially if you find a class particularly challenging. BUT, don’t use it as an excuse not to do the reading. I would recommend a three-step process.
(1) Read the case.
(2) Outline the case, noting the facts you think are important.
(3) Read the review book, treatise on the subject. See what the book highlights as important and whether that is what you picked out.
You could also start meeting with a TA or going to your professor’s office hours. Explain your concern and ask them to go over case outlines for you. After some practice working on picking out important facts, you should get better at it and not need so much review.
Hope this is helpful. :-) Remember…you’re probably doing a lot better than you think. Law school has a way of making us feel very insecure about ourselves.
PeacockTulips
The book “Getting to Maybe” by Richard Michael Fischl totally changed law school for me. I highly recommend it. Check it out on Amazon (I would post a link, but don’t want the comment to get stuck in moderation).
Ballerina girl
It really helped me to take extremely good notes on cases and think through policy implications. The more you pay attention in class, the more it’ll come naturally to think through these issues on your own. Took me a while to get the hang of it, though–hang in there! I’m sure everyone feels the same way.
AIMS
If you go the class supplement route, just be aware that there’s a huge difference between treatises and something like Emmanuel’s and the like. The latter just gives you a broad strokes framework to help pass your exam. Nuance is not included or encouraged. A good treatise, however, can help you put the cases into a larger theoretical framework. For Con Law, I thought Chemerinsky’s book (not his text book) is fabulous, and really a must if you’re interested in the subject. For property, Singer’s book on Property is also fabulous and is probably the only reason I got an A in that class because I was lost for most of the semester. Both are about $50.
In terms of general “critical thinking” books, you may find a book called “Getting to Maybe” helpful; also, check out the website criticalthinking.org
Jen L
The Chemerinsky book saved my life in Con Law.
anon for today
Mine too. We called him Chemmy.
Lola
I think people who know him call him that to his face, too.
Ballerina girl
You may be able to get them online (ebay or amazon) for less money.
Annie
Half.com —- I got almost 80% of my books there!
Another Sarah
Also, don’t forget that you’re just in your second semester of this. You’ve only read a couple hundred cases at this point. Once you get to your 2L year, you’ll get muuuch better at it – you’ll just kinda know what you need to know for class. And if you don’t, at least you’re getting enough out for the exam – I was the opposite, and I would have given my right arm and hypothetical first born to get it for exam purposes instead of knowing it for class. :-)
Elysian
If you’re looking for something in general, try “How to Read a Book”. It’s very much about how to read in general, bring an active reader, and getting the most out of the text. Legal reading is still non-fiction reading, so a lot of the strategies and ideas are quite valid.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Read-Book-Touchstone-book/dp/0671212095
E
Love this! I wish I had $1500 to spend on a bag . . .
Kat, you are obviously in a blue phase!
newbie with admin assistant issue...
Threadjack,
I’m a new attorney and started work with my firm about five months ago. My assistant is also the assistant to the head partner at the firm. The firm is quite small. There are only 4 total assistants and 6 attorneys. Anyway, I am really having some trouble with my assistant. She is constantly changing what I dictate for her to type. She will blow through a dictation and not even listen to the end of it if she thinks she already knows what I am going to say. She is relatively sloppy on the work I ask her to do. If I am doing work for a partner that is not the one for whom she works, she will sometimes refuse to help me. Last week, I dictated a notice of hearing and told her to wait to send it out until I had dictated a courtesy notification letter to opposing counsel. She told me that wasn’t necessary b/c opposing counsel was cc’d on the NOH. I told her I knew it wasn’t necessary, but it was polite. She just mumbled “I’m just the secretary” AND THEN SENT THE NOH ANYWAY. (Before I had dictated the letter.)
I know these are all small things, but I do not have time to fix all of my docs myself or type them myself in the first place. I also do not want to butt heads with her for fear of really ticking her off. I don’t think that the partners are going to help me out too much on this.
Anyone have any advice on how to deal with this?
SF Bay Associate
I’m in biglaw, so maybe it’s different, but my firm hasn’t done dictation for at least a decade. Is there a reason you can’t type your own notice of hearing, letters, and such? I do my own and it really doesn’t take that long.
lawyerette
These are NOT small things. What did you say to her after she absolutely contradicted your instructions? I understand not wanting to piss her off, but that is absolutely unacceptable. I think she clearly doesn’t want to do the work you give her and is trying to get you to do it yourself and not bother her. Sadly that may be what you have to do if you think the managing partner is not going to be sympathetic to you wanting to change assistants.
newbie with admin assistant issue...
I only found out that she contradicted me third-hand, so it was never a face-to-face situation. Had it been, I would have asked her why she did that, but it seemed awkward to walk up to her and make a point of it. I need to devise a plan for when this happens again, because I know it will.
Anonymous
You need to confront her, politely but firmly, face to face (not by email). She’s testing you because she thinks you’ll avoid conflict and let her do whatever she wants. You’re the one who’s held responsible for your cases, and so you have the right to insist that the work is done the way you want it to be done. If you ignore the issue or send a passive-aggressive email you’re giving her exactly what she wants – leeway to ignore you and keep doing things her way.
Jay
Absolutely agree. You are her boss. You need to tell her that disobeying your direct instructions will not be tolerated. I cannot believe she thinks she can get away with this nonsense. Do you have an HR person you can speak to? I understand not wanting to tell the partner, but there HAS to be someone who can back you up. So sorry you’re dealing with this.
Also, I have to second SF Bay….dictation? I have never used dictation or seen anyone who does. It probably would take just as long to type yourself in an email and send to her to format into pleading style as it does for you to dictate it. Then there’s also less chance for her to mess up the language….
Anonymous
I totally agree. This is hazing. She’s trying to set boundaries, i.e., don’t give me work because I won’t do it to your specifications. I would tell her that I expect the work to be done to my requirements. It will be an awkward conversation, and she knows it. In addition, is there an HR manager you can talk to? If not, I would talk to the partner.
If it’s harder for you to dictate, then don’t do it that way. Explain to the partners that you think faster when you can type it out. But I do think dictation can be a super useful skill if you can get used to it. Typing may be archaic eventually because voice to text is getting better. Dictating quality work is very different from typing it yourself and it’s an awesome skill to develop.
newbie with admin assistant issue...
Well, I would completely prefer to type my own stuff. I despise dictating and it wastes a ton of time, because, since I am so new, I cannot think of what I want to say off the top of my head. I have to make, at the least, an outline, and dictate from that. It makes me laugh just thinking about it. Anyway, when I started work I was told that they pay the assistants to type, not me. I think that since the partners are older, they cannot type as quickly as most associate now-a-days can, so they don’t realize that it would be faster for me to do it myself.
As for the possibility of switching. It can’t and won’t happen. Each of the assistants is assigned a partner and an associate and my assistant had only the partner and no associate before I showed up. It’s pretty much stuck because there’s no way that they would shuffle people around. And, it would cause a huge stink. The bad part is, is that socially, she is pretty nice to me, so it’s not like she has it out for me. I think that she just doesn’t want to do the work, and she knows I don’t know the ropes, so she can walk all over me.
I need to get this straightened out with her before she bulldozes me. But (contrary to my career choice) I am not super confrontational.
lawyerette
If this is just about typing stuff, I’d really just type it yourself. I am also in biglaw and while we send things like hearing notes for people to type (secretaries or document processing centers), mostly we type things ourselves. Do what works for YOU.
Anonymous
Her problem is that her assistant disregards her instructions. You’re proposing that she disregard her superiors’ instructions so she doesn’t have to give instructions to her assistant. I don’t think this is good advice at all.
Anonymous
There are two problems:
1. Your assistant is playing power games. You can only fix it with a direct discussion, face to face. You needs to show her your assistant that you will stand up for yourself when she pulls this business.
2. You are doing things totally inefficiently because of an antiquated policy that makes no sense. I would just type the hearing notice myself. If the time on the bill is the same, the client won’t care and the partner won’t even know. If it comes up, say that it actually ended up being more efficient for you to do it that way since you are such a fast typist. I would hate to work in an environment where details like whether I type something myself are micro-managed. That’s ridiculous.
You are an adult and an attorney. This is your life and your career. Take charge and do things the way that works for YOU. Set boundaries with your assistant.
Lola
You’ve already let her bulldoze you. Continuing to let it happen doesn’t do you or her any good.
Maybe she didn’t get a lot with the previous associate either, and they’re looking for a reason to fire her.
The way to deal with this is a face-to-face conversation. Keep track of everything she does wrong, and have a straight-up conversation with her in your office behind a closed door.
And talk to your partner.
Avoiding this conflict doesn’t help anyone. It doesn’t help you, and it doesn’t help her.
E.E.
Do any of the other assistants seem better? If so, is there a way you can switch, perhaps by citing the fact that this assistant seems “too busy” to provide the level of assistance you require (e.g., cite the time she “couldn’t” help on matters related to the other partner).
Before doing that though, it would probably also be appropriate to ask her to meet with you, tell her you enjoy working with her and want to get the most out of your relationship. Highlight some of the best work she’s done, and then share ways for her to improve. But from what you’ve described, it sounds like this might not help much.
newbie with admin assistant issue...
Is an email too PA? Our office is so small and so quiet, you can hear everyone’s conversations. It would make it infinitely worse with her if she felt like anyone heard me, even nicely, admonish her.
Anon
Face to face meeting, very direct and blunt but also very nice. You’re not at all alone – most people have a very hard time confronting someone face to face, this can work to your advantage. While she feels like she can contradict you indirectly if you flat out confront her (very very calmly and nicely) list out the things she has not done for you and the things she’s messed up, the mistakes, and the sending of the NOH and tell her you need to fix this, need her to pay better attention to what you’re asking and need her to let you know what you can do to provide her with better instruction she’s going to feel very embarrassed and that’s a good thing, she’s going to want to avoid another one of these talks. Be fact specific and tell her she needs to do better or let you know if there’s a reason for this that you can fix.
Anon
Same Anon as above, if you do it right there’s a high likelihood you can have a good relationship with her in the future.
If you can’t stomach it an alternative is to give extremely specific instructions when you give her any assignments. Tell her, I need this proofread twice, I need you not to send it out – please make a note of this, not to go out, etc.
E.E.
Just saw your followup. Guess switching is out of the question.
Another way to escalate this (if necessary) might be with the “other” partner. Maybe ask if it would be possible to use his/her assistant when doing work for him/her as your assistant won’t help with matters unrelated to the head partner. Either other partner says yes and you can use that assistant as well, or will likely offer a suggestion with respect to your assistant.
Anonymous
I work in a smaller firm with 2 partners and myself. Each partner has a secretary and I share their secretaries depending on the type of case I am working. The secretaries on occasion try to do what they want rather than what I ask or will completely IGNORE the task I have assigned. I send an e-mail, with a cc to the partner who is in charge of the case, explaining what needs to be corrected or done. It gets the point across and I have a paper trail for the future.
Jay
Ooh, that’s a good suggestion. Emailing the secretary with a cc to the partner may annoy the partner, but you can let the partner know you want to make sure you’re interpreting his instructions accurately too.
anon
Work in the way that is most efficient for you. Think about typing just the key text, emailing it to your ass’t, and telling her to put it in the NOH format. You definitely need to tell her what she needs to do and that it is not acceptable for her to change what you write or to send something you have told her not to send unless she checks with you first. And if she pulls the “I’m just the secretary” line, your response can be, “That’s correct. I’m responsible for the case and I need you to do what I decide needs to be done.” If you’re feeling nice you can add, “although I welcome your suggestions.”
Kit
My firm has a similar set up – I share a secretary with a partner, too. When I first started, I was uncomfortable asking someone to do things for me because I had never been in that position before. When my requests weren’t taken seriously, I realized that it was probably due to the way I asked. I would ask in the form of a question, such as “Can you do X, please?,” not “Please do X.” The difference is notable. If you ask, they can say no or make excuses. If you tell them what to do (in a polite way), there is less room for argument. If something isn’t done correctly, return it to her to do again with specific instructions. If she has been an assistant for a long time, especially for an older male, she is used to taking direction from others. You are probably just being so nice about it that she doesn’t take you seriously. Tell her what to do in an authoritative manner and then walk away before she has time to respond (just act like you are too busy to discuss it further). Don’t pay any heed to excuses. This is her job, she knows how to do it, and she will do it if you command the authority she is accustomed to.
K
@Newbie — I don’t know if you’re still checking this thread, but for what it’s worth: the responses have all been right on. You do need to confront her and you need to make it clear that YOU are the boss, not her. That is a hard place to get to right away when you start practicing.
One trick that I still use with my asst: say you wanted the courtesy letter to go out with or before the NOH. If she only does the NOH (“b/c that’s how it’s done), DO NOT sign the NOH — instead give it back to her w/ the instruction to do the letter. Only after you get the letter do you sign the NOH.
Unfortunately, I use this strategy a lot, esp. if I am directing asst to attach exhibits, etc.
(And you will get better at dictation, I promise. One day, it really will be faster for you to dictate longer stuff (client reporting, etc) than it will be for you to type. Good luck!)
Divaliscious11
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Anonymous
iPad! I love mine to bits.
Anonymous
I’m on the fence about getting one.
Confused
Please help!
I’m a 2L. I got an offer for a summer internship from Employer, which is very small and is hiring only one intern. I’m concerned that the work would not be entirely legal (less than 50%), and in general, this is not my first choice internship though I’m sure I’d enjoy it – there are just things that I think I could learn from more. I hesitate to say anything more specific on a public forum. I missed the interviewer’s call, and he left a voicemail which assumes my acceptance.
I think I am competitive candidate and have many applications pending where the deadlines have not yet passed so I haven’t heard anything yet. I’ve gotten competitive internships before and I’m confident in myself as a candidate. At the same time, I hesitate to turn it down – the market is tough, and that could end up screwing me in the end.
I’d appreciate any and all advice on how to respond (even critical advice!)…
Ballerina girl
What kind of work is it–govt, NGO, private? Would this be the kind of work you could see yourself doing after law school and, if not, does it limit your choices when you decide to leave it?
Where are your other leads? Again, govt, NGO, private? This sounds crappy, but how well placed is your law school? Do most of your peers have offers?
Can you call back and say “thanks, I’d really like to think this over, can I get back to you in a week?” At least that would buy you some time.
Confused
I’d rather not give specifics because I’m afraid I’m making myself horribly identifying. But between govt, non-profit, and private, I’ve always worked in ONE area and would like to keep working in the same one after graduation, but am open to exploring other directions, which is why I applied here in the first place. The Employer is well known enough that having it on my resume would be a positive, not negative. On the other hand, sticking with what I’ve been doing would possibly expand my network in that area, etc.
How would you phrase “wanting to think it over” when they seem to assume that I’m accepting? I certainly don’t want to burn any bridges.
Thanks,
OP.
Ballerina girl
It’s not your fault they assumed that (unless it is? did you say something?). I did this last year with a job offer– I said “I am so excited about this opportunity and think it would be a wonderful experience. Is it possible to have some time to think things over before I give you an answer?” Then if they ask how much time, say whatever you would like. If they say no, then you say (worst case scenario) “I will need to sleep on it.” Or something along those lines.
I’m not concerned about where the job is so much as they’re a different ball of wax. If you’re at a top law school, firm jobs can be a dime a dozen (not so much in this market, I know) while NGO jobs can be a lot harder to come by. Not sure about government. If you’re set on working for a firm, I’d hold out. If you’re set on an NGO and this is the best offer you have, I’d ask for time but then take it if you don’t at least have an interview at another place behind you.
Good luck!
S
I think you can ask for two weeks. You are not obligated to accept an offer and there is nothing wrong with asking for time to think it over.
Res Ipsa
Is the org a member of NALP? At this point in the year, NALP guidelines would give you two weeks to accept the offer. Even if they are not NALP member, could you ask that they give you the two week consideration period?
It wouldn’t hurt to call your top one or two choices and explain that you have an outstanding offer, that you would prefer to work with them, and if there’s any possibility that they’ll be making any decisions yet.
Confused
I’ll look into the NALP thing. How would you phrase wanting time to think about it when they seem to assume that I would accept?
Thanks,
OP.
somewherecold
Emphasize that you are excited about the idea of working for them, but you need some time to think about it. Many people spend the first part of their legal career at the place where they spend their 2L summer. I don’t know if this is an option with this job offer, but even if it’s not, it is important to think about how your 2L summer employment fits in with your goals after graduation.
If they are not following NALP guidelines, I would ask for more time and expect that they will kind of negotiate a bit–ask for two weeks, and you could get one or a long weekend–especially since they are probably anxious to fill this one spot.
As someone previously posted, call your top choice employers, tell them you have another offer but are very interested in them, and ask if they can move on your application faster.
SSJD
Don’t worry too much about their tone of assuming you’ll accept. Think about it, if you were offering someone a job, wouldn’t you assume that they would accept: it’s a bad job market, you’ve made your interest clear during the interview process (this is a good thing) and they need to continue to sell you on the opportunity, in part by making it sound like a no-brainer to accept. That said, you have every right to ask for 1-2 weeks to consider it. A reasonable person will not press you about “why?” but if they do, you can indicate that this is a big decision, you’d like to give it appropriate consideration, and you also have other options you are considering. This should not surprise a hiring manager and if they act very rude or demanding, that’s a good thing to know before you take the job :) You can always site “personal matters that you are taking into consideration”.
Another Sarah
Just in case, I suggest you make a decision pronto. I was in your same boat when I got a summer offer from where I was interning during the school year. I said, “Super! When do I have to tell you by?” (thinking I could buy myself some time). My boss said, “Um, well, they changed the due date for budgets at the last minute and they’re due tomorrow so…9am tomorrow.” Buying time fail.
Confused
Thanks to everyone for the comments – he gave me two weeks from yesterday to decide, so now I have a lot of hard thinking to do (and calling all the other places I applied)…
RoadWarriorette
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CW
Love this purse! Too bad I don’t have a spare $1500…
Violet
That’s more than what I make a month. =(
houda
Violet if it makes you feel less frustrated, That is 6 times the monthly minimum wage in my country :)
JMcD
that bag is ridiculously, unbeliveably beautiful! wish i had the cash for it!
Help! Freaking out!
Please help! I’m a 1L and I just got my grades back. They were terrible. I got one really bad grade (a LP). I just feel numb about it. Am I going to be able to get a firm job at all?
CN
Do you go to a top 5 law school?
anon
Frankly and sadly, that all depends on what school you are at, and how you do next semester. If you’re at a T10, you’ll probably be ok if you can really show a significant improvement in your next semester’s grades, and can spin a great story about how you realized your mistakes, made positive changes, and in the face of adversity became an academic star. If you’re at a tier 2… I’m sure you’ve already read the NY Times article about how there are too many law schools churning out more lawyers than there are jobs.
With no ill will intended at all, I also would gently suggest that you consider whether law school is the right place for you. It’s one thing to bomb one test – everyone has a bad day. But if your grades were bad across the board, and there wasn’t some unfortunate life event this past semester that interfered with your studies, then you may want to reevaluate whether you really want to incur $100k+ in debt, and whether you will be able to pay it off in the future. You’re only one semester in debt right now – it’s not too late to walk away. I really encourage you to have think your options over carefully when you are feeling more calm.
Good luck to you.
ID.
To be honest, probably not if you are thinking big law. But even if your grades were average, if you are not at the best law school you wouldn’t really have a chance anyway. I like the idea of thinking about whether you want to continue, and if you do, the bright side is looking away from firms allows you to find a different career path
Help! Freaking out!
Sorry, my post didn’t make much sense. I’m at top 2 school. I got average grades (Ps) and one LP. That means they are bad though.
To be honest, I’m not sure what to do!
ID.
You can just say Harvard haha. Don’t freak out to much then
cbackson
Or Yale. Isn’t it Yale that uses the Pass/Low Pass system?
Formely, I would have told you not to freak out, but it’s a pretty competitive environment these days. I went to NYU (which while not Yale, is generally fairly well thought-of) and it’s my understanding that things have gotten a lot tougher out there for our graduates in the past few years.
That said, I’m sure you’ll get a firm job if you want one, but yes, you may have fewer options than some of your friends.
Different Annie
It’s Harvard. HLS grades came out today.
ID.
But Yale she prob would have said a t1 school :) You should be fine though, it will be harder than you’d like for sure, but there will be a firm out there somwhere that will take you for a summer probably, if your other things are good.
somewherecold
Try to learn from whatever it is you did poorly–writing exams, participating in class, sucking up to professors–and do better. It’s a lot easier to explain getting better grades as you go through law school than doing really well 1L and mediocre/below average 2L and 3L. I don’t think you need to freak out yet. If it helps at all, I found 2L and 3L classes much more interesting and easier to do well in than 1L classes (probably also because the curve at my school was different for 1Ls).
Ballerina girl
Um, if you went to Yale or Harvard, you’ll be fine. Bust your butt to get better grades next semester, but if all your grades were “average” and one was “bad,” I don’t think that kills your dream of working at a firm. It may make it harder, but by the time you apply, you’ll have two semesters’ worth of grades. You’ll be fine. If you went to a lower ranked school, I wouldn’t say that, but I doubt Harvard/Yale grads have too hard a time. I went to a top ten school (class of 2008) and very few of my friends are unemployed (though many did get laid off and those who did had trouble getting back in).
I know, I know, different market, but still. Harvard and Yale. You’re fine. Firms want that on your bio–your grades won’t really come up once you’ve landed the job.
JessC
You go to Harvard/Yale. Repeat that to yourself. “I go to Harvard/Yale.” Stop freaking out. You will be fine.
As for the future, try to identify what caused you to get the less than stellar grades. Maybe you need to adjust your study habits. Also see if you can get a sit down with the professor whose class you got the “LP” to discuss your exam and why you got the grade you did.
2L NYC
You can definitely get a firm job, but might be in tough shape for clerkships/academic track. I think you have to be bottom 10-20% at a T5 to not get a firm job. //I am at NYU right now
anon for today
You’ll be just fine. If anything, this will force you to look at your strengths and develop them and market yourself in accordance with them – so what if you’re not a great test-taker – cultivate other skills so that you’re a kick-ass writer or researcher or speaker or advocate. Get an internship and develop some skills. The benefits will serve you throughout your entire career. Having top grades from a top-ten school just means you get to rest on your laurels for a little while, but that won’t last long. Having real skills will. Good luck to you! I had terrible grades in law school but have had lots of career success and happiness. You can get there too!
Anonymous
What? I am on the Recruiting Committee at a BigLaw firm, and the statement that you “have to be in the bottom 10-20 percent” to not get a firm job is delusional. Sorry. That said, a single LP is not going to be a big deal in the grand scheme of things if she is doing well otherwise.
2L NYC
@ anonymous: Honestly, I thought it was incredibly easy to get a firm job this year (at least, a summer associate position). The only people I know who don’t have them are probably at the bottom of our class or have terrible social skills. Maybe I don’t know the real numbers, but that was my impression.
E.E.
“What? I am on the Recruiting Committee at a BigLaw firm, and the statement that you “have to be in the bottom 10-20 percent” to not get a firm job is delusional. Sorry.”
Really? She was talking about top schools. No one firm is going to take 80-90% of applicants from those schools, but for any individual applying to multiple firms, I think you’d need a consistent record of poor performance or a clear lack of interest not to land a decent firm job (not necessarily top 5 firm, of course).
Anonymous
On the positive side, you’re almost guaranteed to have an upward trend to your grades now! Don’t beat yourself up about it too much, and review your exam with the professors that will make the time. Most professors should, especially for 1Ls. They’ll have helpful tips on where you went wrong and how you can improve your exam-writing. If you don’t do well under time pressure, seriously consider signing up for as many paper/ take-home exam classes as you can for the next two years.
Help! Freaking out!
Thanks for all the help. I had a little cry but I feel a lot better this morning. I’m going to make an appointment with my professor to talk about my worst exam. I will also make an appointment to discuss my other average papers to see what the issue was. I think it’s because I’m a slow typer and the LP exam especially required a lot of issue spotting. Also, I’m going to work really hard this semester to improve. There’s not much I can do. I don’t know if I want to work at a firm but while I will do some on the side searching for a non legal job, I think my best bet at the moment is to stay in law school. I can also leave at the end of the year if those grades are worse.
AnonforThis
Your grades are not as bad as you’re making them out to be. Given that you said you have one LP, it must mean that everything else is either P/HP. I don’t know what the curve at H is, but at worst, that would still put you in the middle of the pack.
-Someone who had D’s in LS (yes, they give D’s in LS)
anon in chicago
not quite on topic but if you’re a slow typer and would like to try to improve on that front, i’ve found that the typing game at typeracer.com is pretty fun (and definitely improves your WPM)!
govvie girl
Have you taken typing, whether in high school or other? My h.s. typing class has turned out to be one of my most valuable “skills” classes, through my Poli Sci undergrad/Master’s papers and career (non-lawyer). Don’t ask me about my late-learned time-management skills, though…
Anonymous
As the Chair of the Hiring Committee of a 100+ law firm (largest law firm in a smaller market), I think that the question completely depends on what you are looking for in terms of a legal career. Simply put, are you willing to consider options outside of BigLaw? Your law school certainly has cache, and, boldly speaking for law firms outside of BigLaw in major markets, I would think that your resume would be considered favorably. I would say that our firm handles sophisticated work with a fairly humane work-life balance if you are willing to look outside BigLaw. In any event, my suggestion if you do decide to stick it out is not only work on grades, etc., but also try to make your resume standout in other ways (e.g., journal, moot court, externship). Good luck!
kz
Ok, I know a lot of people who are saying “you go to Harvard/Yale, you’ll be fine,” but I just want to throw out there that I know a couple of people that went to Harvard/Yale and did not have jobs at graduation, and there were a decently large number of people at my school (NYU) that didn’t have jobs. Having said that:
1) I graduated in May. Our class was basically the most screwed (you can make the argument that the year before us was worse off than we were, but either way, it was a crappy, crappy time to graduate). By the time you are interviewing for 2L jobs in August, I think firms may have stabilized in hiring. They won’t be back to pre-recession “oh you’re breathing and went to a top 5 school? Here, have a job” levels, but I have noticed a lot of big law firm announcements on our job site looking for 1Ls for summer associates this summer, which to me says they didn’t hire enough 2Ls because they were worried and have now realized they can increase their hiring slightly, which presumably will be the case for when you interview as well.
2) It’s one semester. Learn from it, and try to improve. If your grades aren’t any better second semester, then maybe start considering if you really want to be in law school (because really, it’s too expensive to not consider that). At this point, I’m assuming you’ve already paid tuition for this semester and, if it’s like my school, it’s hard to get all of it back past a certain date, so you might as well finish the year.
3) I’m not sure P’s are as terrible as you think. I don’t know about the curves at Harvard/Yale, but if it’s just HP, P, LP, then I assume P is the average. So really, you’re average, not bad. There’s room for improvement, but I don’t think it’s disaster level yet.
Batgirl
Exactly–I agree with #3. Don’t take this the wrong way but this sounds more like someone who’s been an overachiever his/her whole life who is shocked to land in the middle. You’re the cream of the crop right now by being at the school you’re at–if you got all LP’s I’d think you’d have reason to be concerned, but it sounds like you’re fine.
LawyrChk
Corporettes, I’d like your advice (apologies for the length of this). I’m a board member of a non-profit board I care very much about. Without a doubt, I’m one of the most active board members and regularly raise funds and contribute my own time and money to the organization.
Our board is having some issues with a significant portion of the board being dysfunctional (not attending meetings, not contributing, etc.), and I was appointed to a task force to recommend solutions to the problem.
So I scheduled a breakfast meeting with the board chair to talk about the issue and get his insight. Long story short, the board chair stood me up and responded only with a nonchalant next-day reply of “hey, too bad I couldn’t make it, when do you want to reschedule” response to the email I sent to him to remind/confirm our meeting.
I told him I didn’t intend to make up the meeting, because I’d shown up, and my policy is not to reschedule meetings where someone doesn’t notify me beforehand that they will not be there.
He cc’d the CEO of the organization questioning my commitment to the organization and recommending I reschedule (still no apology or even a phone call).
I committed to a three year term on the board, but frankly, I’m inclined to resign at the next board meeting. I don’t see the relationship improving, and I’m beginning to see why there board participation is so poor. I care about the organization, but I’m fuming about the rudeness and think I should probably take my time and effort elsewhere.
What would you do? Thanks in advance.
Laura
That’s a tough situation. It’s especially frustrating since it’s a cause that’s clearly important to you. Seeing board members treat it with some level of nonchalance would really bother me, too, especially with the rude (and IMO out-of-line) email from the board chair.
If I were in your shoes, I would probably reschedule a meeting with the board chair. Caveat here is that I have been known to give people more chances than they perhaps deserve. Having said that…
I’d use that opportunity to explain your frustrations and concerns about board member participation. Tell him your time isn’t free, and that you won’t continue to participate in an organization that doesn’t respect that reality. If he seems responsive to your concerns, stick around but with clear expectations of what needs to happen in order for your time to be well-spent. If he places the blame on you, take your talent elsewhere. There are lots of organizations out there in need of good guidance. Find a place that respects and appreciates what you have to give.
a lawyer
I would probably resign, particularly if there are other organizations that support the same cause where you could channel your energies. The chair is completely out of line, owes you several apologies, and probably is not going to change.
houda
I think the chair is rude and being worse by not acknowledging his mistake.
I were you, I would resign during the next meeting and clearly explain why.
If the rest of the board values you enough, they will attempt to retain you and you will not accept unless you receive your due apology.
If they do not retain you then you are better off serving the cause within another structure where you will be valued more and your time will not be taken for granted.
anon
Before you resign, think about whether you want to be part of the organization. The board chair was a jerk, but your response was rude. If you care about the organization, stick with it and I predict that you will soon be the board chair (provided that you can be more diplomatic in the future). Your email back to the chair (and CEO) should say something about how you are willing to reschedule but your schedule is busy, so please let you know a time that he can be sure to make it or let you know in advance if something comes up. You might also be able to sneak something in there about how you’ve been thinking that one of the keys to having an active board is to respect people’s time (although that might have to wait).
LawyrChk
Fair enough. I was going more for directness rather than passive-agressive. That said, I am not rescheduling the meeting. This IS a long-standing policy for me based on years of being in volunteer organizations, and it’s one I’m up-front with when I schedule. I am of the opinion that my time is valuable, and if I don’t respect my time, then no one else will either.
I spoke to the CEO this morning, and her suggestion was to politely ignore it–the guy has done the same thing to several other board members and he will be terming off the board in May. I think that’s probably the advice I’m going to take for now.
RR
Do you care about this organization? Because you resigning is not going to help it. What it needs is people like you being there as a force of change. I’d bring up the issue at the next board meeting, and I’d continue the task force work that you committed to do. I’d also try to get involved in whichever arm of the board brings in new board members and work toward a board that is a better mix.
Lola
I think the advice you’re getting here is great, and don’t have much to add, except that You Are Not Alone. Many motivated volunteers have left many non-profit organizations due to this kind of behavior. The decision to leave is something you’ll have to think about, weighing the goals of the org with how much crap you want to continue to put up with.
Unfortunately, in-fighting is not unusual in the non-profit world. :(
MM
It’s hard when you care about an organization and are seeing it founder, including from lack of Board interest. However, if there is another organization you can support in the same area, I would suggest doing so. Put simply, you have legal and fiduciary obligations (and liabilities) so long as you are a board member. If your board is not properly overseeing the company, your reputation is at risk. It’s sad, but true. I would suggest giving this particular issue time to cool off, so you can make a level-headed decision and (perhaps) give the board time to adjust when the current president cycles off. But carefully evaluate whether this organization is one you can put your name behind.
govvie girl
As evidenced by your follow-up comment, these types of people (rude, unprofessional, selfish, etc.) usually burn enough bridges and tick enough people off that their behavior comes back to bite them anyway.
anon
To those that recommended Chemerinsky’s book, is that the Principles and Policies book? I am taking con law this semester and still need to order some books. Thank you!
Guest
I think that’s the one. I didn’t use it, but others in my class found it useful.
If you end up taking Fed Courts, his Federal Courts book is also AWESOME.
Legally Brunette
His fed courts book saved my life!! I understood nothing in that class all semester, read his book cover to cover, and ended up with an A.
JAS1
Ditto. Chemerinsky is brilliant. I don’t remember the names of his books but I used them for both Con law and Fed Courts and they saved my tucas.
anon
I have the Fed Courts book at my office now and do recall the Con Law book with fondness!
Different Annie
Yes, it’s the Principles & Policies book. Here’s the link on Amazon (I’m not trying to shill for Amazon, but just give you something that you can confirm the cover and ISBN): http://amzn.com/073555787X