Weekend Open Thread
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My DH is being relocated later this year to a tropical climate and I am accompanying him on this very exciting move. I hope to find work while I am there; I am already starting to network.
I currently live in a temperate climate and most of my professional clothes are unsuitable for heat and humidity. While I will be able to carry some of my clothes with me (i.e. 100% silk blouses, cotton or silk dresses) much of my professional wardrobe will have to be put into storage while we are overseas.
I’d like to purchase a few key pieces while we are still in the US as I know what brands work for me, what fits, where to find sales, etc.
Thoughts? Any advice you all might be able to provide would be invaluable!
What kind of job are you hoping to find? What’s the local culture like? It’s hard to respond without knowing the answer to those 2 questions.
Off the top of my head (based on this site being what it is) I would be inclined to recommend lightweight suits & suit separates, which you should have an easy time finding now as we transition to spring/summer in stores. I’m thinking linen, silk, cotton, etc.
I would hesitate to buy too much if you are not familiar with the local culture/customs (it sounds like you’re moving overseas). I’d get a few guide books to see if there are any cultural issues you might encounter (e.g., do women tend to be more covered up? is wearing pants acceptable? or, on the other end of the spectrum, do people tend to dress more vibrantly or casually? . . . all things to consider)
Tropical Wool. Its amazing how light they can make it, and how much cooler it is than other materials! Ann Taylor has a line.
You might want to wait until you’re there, and see what people are wearing in the sort of jobs you’d like to have. As Corporetters know all too well, these things can be very subtle, especially in a foreign country.
I too moved from a cold climate to a hot one, and my god, the changes it made to my wardrobe, I was astonished. I sweltered in my beloved tailored lined wool jackets. Now it’s all linen, the wrinkles, argh, but it’s all that works for me.
The move will be both nerve-racking and exhilarating, of course. I’ve made a point of keeping in touch (email, I luvz you) with my back-home friends, especially as it can take a while to build up a support system of local friends. Is volunteer work an option, to build up some local cred? Many countries are eager for ESL teachers, paid or volunteer.
Speaking for myself, I’d be fascinated to hear again when you’re there.
Many thanks for the encouragement, Delta Sierra. I agree that I will likely do some shopping once I get there but had thought I might get a head start here because I am familiar with sizes and costs here.
For example, I have one pair of warm-weather pants (white linen trousers). All my pants are made of heavy fabrics and I generally more comfortable in pants than in skirts or dresses. I thought that some Corporettes might have some concrete suggestions!
And yes, volunteer work is definitely an option! I’ll be working those networks too.
I’ll keep you all updated. Corporette will always be on my blogroll ;).
It’s important to take your own personal tolerance for heat/humidity into effect. My city is very hot and very humid for about half the year but I am pretty tolerant of this type of weather. As a result, I still wear long sleeved blouses, lined trousers, and stockings with skirts to the office. But I have friends who would sweat profusely wearing these same articles of clothing in 70 degree temps. So, how your body responds to the change in temperature plays a big role in figuring out what you need to wear.
Into account, not into effect. It has been a long day…
Speaking as someone who works internationally and has lived in different climates on different continents: just wait. If you’re going to the developing world, you’ll be able to get professional attire made for you for less than the price of an Ann Taylor suit. Even if you’re not going to the developing world, you don’t know what professional attire is considered appropriate yet. There are huge differences in what attire is expected in different cultures and if you shop now you’re likely to end up with a suitcase full of clothes you don’t wear.
Also, if you don’t find anything you like in your new country, wait until your next home leave or just order stuff online, have it shipped to your parents’, tell them to cut the tags off and send it to you duty-free.
Thanks, Erin M. I appreciate your insight.
I met with a female judge last week who was wearing leopard print under her half-open robe, and a furry hat inside. Professional attire really doesn’t translate.
Actually, I find that outside the US, there’s less of this dichotomy that says that a pretty, sexy, girly woman isn’t smart or professional. Of course, I much prefer that men in the US don’t flirt with me at work, either, but I can appreciate that it’s nice not to have to be so buttoned-up all the time.
Some questions:
– What level of formality are you looking for? Business? Business casual? Pulled-together casual?
– Are you going somewhere that is likely to have airconditioned offices, public transportation, cars, etc?
All excellent q’s. I am thinking business casual or “smart casual” (as is told to me in my Culture Shock! guidebook).
Lots of working women. Lots of expats. And some groups–depending on religious and/or cultural identification–do dress much more conservatively than we do in the US.
And yes, lots of AC in offices and other public spaces (malls, etc.).
As for the type of work I am considering right now: consulting or teaching/training. I am still trying to figure out the opportunities that are available to someone with my experience. I’ve just started this process.
Wow! I’m posting a lot about J Jill today. It might be appropriate for the climate you describe as tropical because it tends to be less fitted, but it isn’t necessarily casual or sloppy. They also don’t tend toward lots of ruffles, extraneous buckles, or girl-ey patterns. Some of the summer stuff is pure linen, but much of it is blends that hold up better in the heat. I think of it as looking a lot like Eileen Fisher, but without being so generously cut, without the elastic waists, and without the crazy price tags.
RE: The dress above.
Last Spring I bought a very similar dress at a trendy boutique. It was in a slightly different material though, it has a bit of a shine to it, something like a satiney blend.
Not something I would ever in a million years wear, but it was a spur of the moment splurge and I bought it to wear to an upcoming concert.
Question – I was then informed by my girlfriends that the cut of the dress made it look very “night gown like”. At which time I was questioned if it was indeed a nightgown!
Do you guys get that feeling from the above dress?
I have yet to wear this very similar – and fairly expensive – dress I bought last Spring due to the comments I got.
I admit that I totally thought the dress was a nightgown until I read the accompanying blurb.
I’d go ahead and wear it. Stand up tall, don’t look like you’re doubting yourself for a minute. Any remarks, give them the dead eyeball and say, ‘nightgown?! My, dear, it’s a slip dress, very fashionable’. Which has the advantage of being true. saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524446239671&afsrc=1&site_refer=GGLBASE001&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=ParentItem0436136634428
I also thought the dress above was a nightgown.
I have to admit that, upon first glance, I thought it was a nightgown. However, I think that could be rectified by simply tossing on a cardigan, shrug, or wrap.
Agreed; I get that feeling with anything with spaghetti straps — which personally, I find don’t flatter anyone except for the most waif-like.
Ha! Thanks guys…I guess the fact that it’s a little more satin-ey doesn’t help my case! I was thinking the same thing about a cardigan…maybe I will give it a try the next time I go to a concert and/or club.
I swear, sometimes I don’t know how to dress for places outside of work!
Delta Sierra, I couldn’t get your Saks link to work. I did try the same line of my sister though, saying, “This is a slip dress! I got it at the trendy boutique in town!” To which she said, “It’s a nightgown – our grandmother wore ones just like it!”
*horrified* I really shouldn’t be allowed to buy anything that’s not business appropriate!
Dior bow-strap slip dress. Pasting 0436136634428 into their search field gets it. Far too much $$$ for me, but a gorgeous dress.
I really hope you wear yours.
Chicago go ahead and wear the dress. You live in a big city and the lingerie look is pretty popular in urban areas.
Delta – I really like the dress you posted! Definatly out of my price range, but very pretty.
Anon – You are right, the lingerie look is pretty in. I think I can pull it off, especially at a concert or club where a lot of people are wearing underwear-ish outfits anyway. At places where they play techno music, a lot of the women wear bikinis and legwarmers! I feel far to old (and conservative I guess) to go for that look, but I think I can pull of the dress with a cardigan.
Thanks guys, I appreciate it!
Hello Corporette readers,
I need some honest feedback. I was laid off from Biglaw in Aug 2008. I have failed to find other permanent position since. DO I realistically have a chance of finding permanent legal employment now? Since my lay off I have done some contract work but not continuously. I also have not had any interviews for quite a while now.
My speciality is kind where small law does not work.
As one of my options, I am thinking of getting into T& E work since I had lot of tax classes. Would cold calling T&E outfits and asking for internship or providing my services without pay work?
I think a smarter move would be to call up some T&E lawyers and ask to meet them for coffee. Explain that you are interested in switching fields, that you’re impressed by their background (requires you to know something about it) and that you’re interested in learning more about their career path, the current state of T&E law, and advice for someone looking to transition into a T&E practice.
At the end of each meeting, ask for another name or two of other T&E people to contact/talk to. Keep going.
It’s a great way to start networking without saying “I’ll work for free!” Worst case – you meet 20 new contacts and learn a ton about what you’ll need to do to get into T&E. Best case – someone has a current opening, or a busy project in need of some contract assistance, and you’ve impressed them enough to take a chance on you.
I agree with the informational interview strategy (I once did this by searching Martindale for lawyers from my law school who were in my field – when someone has even that very small connection to you they are more willing to take the time). Make sure it doesn’t come off as a veiled request for a job – ask what CLE programs you should take, what pro bono organizations and/or bar associations are active in the area, etc. Then follow up on those. If people have jobs, or are willing to make a call to find out if there are jobs elsewhere, they will volunteer that.
I was once advised by someone who eventually became the president of the American Bar Association that I should join lots of committees, and then be very proactive in the committees that seemed promising. She said early in her career she offered to start a newsletter for one of the committees, for which other members of the committee wrote most of the articles. It sounded like too much work for me (with a busy BigLaw job already), but it could be a good strategy for you. Giving people on a bar association committee a chance to work with you and see that you’re personable and professional is a great way to make a genuine contact who will be willing to really help.
Its not unrealistic but I think you may need to tweak your strategy. First, are you sure you want to do T&E work, or are you just trying to find something to do? Think long and hard if that is the case. I thought about T&E work at one point, but I didn’t think I’d enjoy it for the long term, despite how family friendly it tends to be I practice.
If you are sure you want to enter that practice, the first thing I’d do would be to join the bar orgs related to T&E. Get up to speed on the latest issues in the practice area. Contact your pro-bono org in your area and get some training to do some volunteer work (check with legal aid) and get some hands on experience. You may be giving up your weekends to do this, but you are also rebuilding your resume. Network like crazy. Once you have some skill set to offer, then I’d maybe try to do an intern like experience, maybe even apply for a clerkship with judges who handle that docket, to gain more experience and then start applying for jobs.
If you’re considering doing T&E and you’re also willing to volunteer, perhaps you should consider volunteering (or seeing if they’re hiring, even) at the Surrogate’s Court in your area. There are often opportunities (e.g., in NY there is currently a pro-bono ‘in chambers’ volunteer attorney program that pairs lawyers with judges), and it would be a good way to learn new skills and to polish old ones. I would say it wouldn’t hurt to write directly to the Surrogate Judge, explaining your situation and offering your services on a voluteer basis. Surrogates Court (in NY at least) also has a dept of court attorneys that work with the judges (though not directly for them), so even if an in-chambers position is not possible, you could learn some great skills.
PS: I realize that gov’t work does not have the same salary as big law, but it can be a good transition and/or a safer, steadier alternative.
DO NOT undervalue your services by working for free unless it’s pro bono. Volunteering for charities is one thing, but at a law firm it’s a no-go, at the very least for ethical considerations.
Joining your state bar’s T&E divisions is a great idea.
Also call your law school’s career center and ask them for some T&E alums’ contact information and call them for advice.
Good luck!
I need some networking advice. I am a recent college grad (sort of) and I moved to my current city because I love it here, not because I had a job that I wanted. I was lucky and found employment a week or two after I moved, but it is in no way what I want to do for the rest of my life.
Here’s the deal: I am currently working as a sort of glorified church secretary. That means that I know the church congregation really well. The woman who held my job previously was here for 5 years; the woman before her held the job for 13. They don’t see this as a 1 or 2 year job.
That said, the congregation is FULL of the sort of people who could really help me get a job doing what I want to do (editing). I work at a United Methodist Church and the headquarters for the church and its publishing house are all here (just down the street, actually). There are TONS of editors and publishers and founders of journals here… and I know several of them pretty well.
What I’m not sure of is how to let them know that I’m looking for another job and would love their help in this. I don’t want anyone to think that I’m completely unhappy here (even though I am!) in case I’m stuck working here for a while, but at the same time, I have all of these fabulous connections. I just need to know how to use them.
Advice??
Do you also attend the church, or just work there? If the former, these folks are your peers as well as your employer (and only those on the church board think of themselves as your employer, anyway). It’s not the same as telling your boss you’re looking for another job.
Select those you feel most comfortable with and engage them in conversation about their companies. Bring up your interest in editing. Something like, “I really love the congregation, of course, but I miss (a, b, c about editing) and I’d eventually like to find something that better uses my skills.”
Good luck!
I don’t technically attend the church; I have the pleasure of *working* Sunday mornings. I’m in worship because I’m paid to be there. Not that I dislike the church, it’s just that if I had my druthers, I’d be sleeping at 7:45am, not working ;D
I did tell my boss about a job I recently applied for. He was very understanding and gracious about it (he is good friends with the woman who would have become my boss, had I gotten the job) but we didn’t let anyone else on staff know. Should I let them know that I’m looking?
and thanks!
Is it possible for you to try to look for part-time/freelance editing work? This way, you keep the church job for a while while you transition and work on your editing skills & experience. Then leaving the church becomes more natural, so when you are ready, no hard feelings from anyone.
This approach, assuming its possible, has the benefit of you being able to utilize your connections more freely — you’re asking for held finding extra work, not trying to use the people at your job to help you abandon it (hence no conflict).
Not to knock secretarial work in any way at all, but you went to school to be, and your goal is, to be an editor, I would hardly think anyone would blame you for working towards that goal and not staying a secretary forever. But it’s kinda like getting elected to a small office to then run for a higher one — you have to make it seem like you’re not just abandoning your old job, but simply growing into your new one. Maybe that means working extra hard at both jobs for a bit, but it seems definitely doable (kinda like running for the higher office while holding the lower one . . . just to stretch my metophor even further ;))
How long have you worked there? How unhappy are you?
Honestly, I think you have to stick it out for at least a year before you approach others about helping you find a new job, otherwise you run the risk of looking flighty and people might hesitate to recommend you (“What if I recommend her for a job, and then she leaves within a few months?”).
That having been said, I don’t think there is anything wrong with approaching some of the people who “could really help you out” to ask them for advice. A simple, “Eventually I would like to get into the editing field. What advice do you have for someone like me who is just starting out?” should do the trick. However, I would save these conversations for casual social situations, preferably not on church property out of respect for your current employer.
Is free-lance editing a possibility for you? Sometimes firms of professional editors will sub out work when they have a big contract.
Us Methodists tend to be pretty nice people :)
I think you are in a pretty good position networking wise. You are a recent grad, so it’s not totally shocking that you would like to try something else. I would talk to your editing/publishing contacts along the lines of- really interested in what you do, think that’s a direction I’d like to move into when the time is right, anything you can do to help.
As long as you keep your tone about the current job positive- great experience, love meeting/working with so many people, good introduction to organization etc., I wouldn’t worry too much about offending people. Perhaps even mention that you like what you are doing now, and don’t want to ruffle any feathers, so they don’t run around telling everyonel
Working at a church is a good position from which to have this dilemma. Ideally, they care about you as a whole person, not just as an instrument to get stuff done. I think you are fine to be honest about your aspirations, unless you misrepresented yourself at the interview and said that church secretary was your life’s goal. In which case, this is your lesson in why it’s not good to delude yourself or others in your pursuit of a paycheck …
If you are demographically different from your predecessors (younger, single, new in town), I wouldn’t use their longevity as an indicator of what is expected of you. Ask for help from the people who are in a position to help you; trust that they will do right for you and see the higher good in your being happy and using all your skills; promise to do everything you can to ease the transition (and make good on the promise). And before you guilt yourself about leaving them in a lurch, think about how they handled the period before they hired you. They can and did survive – and will do so again.
Totally agree, KH and very well put.
I think the OP can very easily (and without fear and guilt) mention that, while you are very happy working at the church, your true goal and aspiration in life is to work in the editing and publishing field. You can just explain that you are looking for a career, not just to switch jobs (i.e. if you could get a job at a restaurant, you wouldn’t take it – even if you would make more money). If you let them know that you’re looking to better yourself, your future, and to follow your dreams, people will be extremely receptive to your future goals. If you simply let them know you are looking to switch jobs/fields, the solicitation might be seen a little differently.
I bought one of the signature tropical wool suits from Ann Taylor during the President’s Day Sale. I just got it and, although it is of course not nearly as high quality as, say, my Brooks Brothers suits, I do like it for the price point. So much, in fact, that I’m considering purchasing another. Before I do though, does anyone have any insight into the long term quality of these suits? Do they hold up? I’ve never bought anything other than tops from AT and know that there have been some recent changes in quality there. Thanks!
I have a tropical wool suit I bought from Ann Taylor about two years ago that’s held up well. That being said, I don’t wear it that often, and it could be their quality has changed in the interim. But it’s actually my favorite suit in terms of cut/color (a gorgeous brown–why is it so hard to find brown suits?) and I will be very sad if it starts to wear out.
I have several Ann Taylor suits that are going on 7 years now . . . had to get the pants relined recently, but I’ve been wearing them on a weekly basis and they’ve held up very well! Not all of their suits fit me well, but those that do are keepers.
Perfect! I’ll go ahead with the order. Thanks so much!
Just FYI, I have had AWFUL luck with Ann Taylor. When I started full-time work in September 2008, I bought four suits there. Currently I only have one of those suits left (actually, I think it’s the same brown tropical wool that KZ has!) – the rest basically fell apart. Pant linings disintegrated within months, buttons cracked and fell off, and seams split. I canceled my AT credit card and now shop almost exclusively at Banana Republic.
I just had the hem fall out of a pair of AT pants that I’ve worn twice. Annoying. Quality is going downhill (and prices are up!).
Not a fan of the dress at all. Is the front panel like an apron atop flowered fabric? Thumbs down!
Quick question and I apologize if people don’t think this is the right forum, but I really don’t know who else to ask.
I was recently diagnosed with melanoma. Fortunately, it’s a very good prognosis, but I’m not dedicating myself to daily sunscreen. Does anyone have a good brand that is oil free and very light for daily use? I’m prone to breakouts, especially around my hairline and I’m afraid to worsen the situation.
Oh, and my public service announcement: get those abnormal moles looked at by a dermatologist. Melanoma isn’t an old person’s disease, and it kills young people. Even though my ear will never look the same, I’m happy to know that I’ll almost certainly be cured at the end of the operation.
I really like Neutrogena Healthy Defense Daily Moisturizer.
I was afraid that wearing a daily sunscreen would lead to more breakouts, but interestingly, once I started using it, my breakouts stopped.
+1! This is all I use. I have sensitive, oily skin and I think it’s fabulous. It’s not heavy at all.
Ladies, There was a study on effectiveness of various popular sunscreens and Neutrogena is one of the brands that was completely dissed in the study! Did not block any type of UV radiation. I will try to find the link for you.
After reading that, my unused new Neutrogena (I am faithful to their other products e.g. moisturizer, oil free wash etc.) sunscreen stays unused and I moved to La Roche Posay. Protects against UVA also which apparently not many brands do. OK, googling on.
I had no idea :( This is sad news for me. If you find the link, please post it!
A lot of other commenters below say they use Neutrogena moisturizer with sunscreen, as do I. If you have research saying it’s not effective, I’m sure I’m not the only one that would like to check it out.
Here is some of the information you mentioned regarding Neutrogena…
http://www.ewg.org/node/21761
Summary of 2009 Sunscreen Analysis
In an analysis of 1,740 name-brand sunscreens* on the market in summer 2009, the Environmental Working Group (EWG) found that 3 out of 5 sunscreen products offer inadequate protection from the sun, or contain ingredients with significant safety concerns. Leading brands were the worst offenders: None of market leader Coppertone’s 45 sunscreen products met EWG’s criteria for safety and effectiveness, and only 2 of 159 products from Banana Boat and Neutrogena, the second- and third-largest manufacturers, are recommended by EWG.
For a detailed analysis of sunscreen, read this: http://www.ewg.org/cosmetics/report/sunscreen09/investigation/summary-of-findings
La Roche Posay is great, and it doesn’t leave a grey/white residue (particularly important if you have brown or non-pale skin). I also like Kiehl’s but you can’t get the cast if you put on a teaspoon full or the amount ‘they say’ you are supposed to wear. I wear LRP in the winter, and Kiehl’s in the summer under moisturizer. LRP is mixed in the moisturizer
What good news about your diagnosis. My husband had a melanoma removed from his back a few years ago. We went through some very tough moments because initially they thought it had penetrated his dermis, but his second biopsy was completely clear, they had gotten everything and it hadn’t spread. I am glad you got a good prognosis. My favorite teacher in high school died of metastatic melanoma – he went to his doctor thinking he had the flu and died two weeks later. He was 45 and left behind a wife and two kids under 7. It is not an old person’s disease, and the longer it takes to get diagnosed, the less likely it is that the prognosis will be positive.
We use Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch Sunblock SPF 70, on the recommendation of my husband’s dermatologist. My husband uses it, I use it, and as soon as my son was old enough, we started using it on him. My husband’s dermatologist told him that the children’s sunscreens – that are usually SPF 50 and above – are good for everyone, but they can be greasy. The Ultra-Sheer has a light consistency but offers broad-spectrum protection and doesn’t sweat off easily. I am sure your derm probably told you already, but the key with sunscreen is using a lot of it. A little dab won’t do ya :) It takes at least the amount you would use to fill a shotglass to cover your body completely, and you need to put it on at least 20 minutes before going into the sun. We also all have floppy hats, SPF clothes, and UV-rated sunglasses now – I keep extras in the car in case we forget them when we leave the house. It may seem like overkill, but there’s nothing like sitting for a week waiting to see if your husband has incurable cancer to put the fear into you. REI.com is a good source for sun-protective clothing.
Congrats again on your good news.
I also like La Roche Posay. It has a different type of full spectrum UVA/UVB blocker (Mexoryl, it used to only available in the EU, and was recently approved by the FDA). Most of the more common US brands contain oxybenzone, which more and more scientists think is an unhealthy chemical. Another option are sunscreens that are titanium oxide based (like most kids sunscreens) but these tend to leave a white residue.
I love this stuff (assuming it’s the one that says “helioplex” on it). This is what my dermatologist recommended as well. Besides being at risk because I have very fair skin and a lot of moles, I also have problems with sun sensitivity (many beach vacations have been ruined by “sun poisoning” – a painful rash that only clears up with no more sun!). I’ve used this sunscreen on my last two vacations and no sunburn and absolutely no rash. It must really block everything.
To the OP- what a scary diagnosis and I’m so glad you caught it when you did. Good luck to you.
Oh, another comment posted before mine – “this stuff” is the Neutrogena. :-)
Depending on your age, you might want to try Olay Pro-X daily moisturizer (SPF 30, UVA/UVB). I’m 46, have complicated skin (to put it nicely), and love this stuff. It works great under my makeup, which isn’t always the case with moisturizers/sunscreens. It’s $42 a bottle at Target, but I’m convinced it calms my skin down, and I’ve been using it for at least five months. I also just bought Cetaphil daily moisturizer (SPF 50, UVA/UVB) but haven’t used it enough to give an opinion – I was just so excited to see an SPF 50 moisturizer! (Yes, that’s sad, but I’m very, very pale, so these things matter…)
And I wholeheartedly agree with everything Amy said. Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry-Touch sunscreens are the best – they really do feel dry, and they’re pleasant to put on. I can even get my husband to use them. Also on REI for the protective clothing – we’ve gotten great shirts and hats there. Check out LL Bean, too – I love my LL Bean sun-protection shirt.
And best wishes for a complete recovery!
I just picked up the Physician’s Formula Tinted Moisturizer, and I like it because it’s a nice thin moisturizer with a good color and doesn’t feel like foundation on my face. I mention it here because it’s SPF 50. That said, my mom’s dermatologist echoes others in the Neutrogena moisturizers for the whole body. Good luck!
I wear one of the mineral powder makeup things that has SPF 20. The brand I buy is Neutrogena but there are a lot of brands – Bare Minerals seems to be a popular one. It won’t clog your pores at all. I have very oily and fair skin and I haven’t had a breakout or a burn in the year and a half that I’ve been using it.
On my body I use a lotion with SPF 15. Lubriderm and Aveeno both make good ones.
I also always wear a hat in the summer, even just to walk to work.
I second the Bare Minerals – I have very pale skin, and this provides nice protection for when you are just walking to/from work, etc., isn’t oily at all, and is absolutely gorgeous as far as makeup goes – very subtle. If you were planning on spending a more extended period of time outside, I’d wear something stronger, though.
Also, hats are amazing! Try Helen Kaminski. She makes some nice hats that don’t look as if you are playing dress-up.
http://www.helenkaminski.com/
I’ve had a lot of luck with Paula’s Choice Daily Mattifying Lotion SPF 15 that I use as my morning moisturizer every day to get SPF protection (winter/summer/rain/snow) – I have an oily t-zone, and this was the only moisturizer/SPF that didn’t make me look like an oil slick by mid-day: http://www.paulaschoice.com/product/skin-balancing-daily-mattifying-lotion-spf-15/moisturizers
I’m sure your dermatologist has directed you to get a broad spectrum sunscreen (UVA/UVB) and also the ingredients you should look for. Be sure to read the ingredients because just because it says it has an SPF doesn’t mean it’s a good one!
Paula’s Choice also has a really good quality line of sunscreen as well. Good luck to you!
I use the lancome moisturizer that has 30 SPF in it…I don’t know for sure that it’s oil free, but I know for sure it works (my shoulders have gotten burnt and my face was fine).
That’s what I use too, and I’ve been very happy with it. Most moisturizers with sunscreen (most sunscreens, period) cause me to break out and get oily, and this one doesn’t.
E, I’m from Southern California and everyone in my family has had melanoma diagnosis. Because of this, I’m a fanatic about sunscreen (always SPF 30 or above) but honestly the best thing is also long sleeves and a hat. Even sunscreen is not 100%. That said, I also use the Roche Posay sunscreen. When I researched sunscreens Mexoryl (the ingredient in Roche) lasted longer and was more of a full spectrum protection than Helioplex (what’s in neutrogena). Remember every single day, rain or shine. sunscreen. Good luck!
Sarah, yes absolutely about long sleeves and a hat. My dear next-door neighbors are pushing 80 and are in excellent health except for skin grief resulting from living their entire lives in SoCal, years of outdoor sports, all day on the beach, etc., before sunscreen was invented.
No actual melanomas yet, but nerve damage (constant untreatable itching). I had another friend with this, and it drives you in. sane.
The mr. next door especially has undergone awful peels and his skin is a mess. Made a believer out of me. I’ve used Coppertone Waterbabies for years, and now just about use it as a sheep dip for myself. You can get it online at drugstore.com, currently $10 for 8oz. They also make it in a stick, which I keep by the door to dab on my nose, which burns very easily.
Hi E,
I have extremely sensitive skin. My allergist recommended Vanicream products and I have found them to be amazing. They make an SPF 60, 30 and 35 sport. They are free of just about everything that could possibly irritate your skin or make you break out. It’s the only thing I have been able to use that does not make me break out or give me hives. I love it. It’s interesting because, although it has a consitency that you might expect would make you break out, it doesn’t because it doesn’t have anything in it that can clog your pores. You can Google “vanicream sunscreen.” Or this is the office website: http://www.psico.com/products/sunscreens.cfm (I think you can find it less expensive if you Google it, though).
For general basic information regarding sunscreen, which is best, which works and why, scientific studies, etc., check out this: http://www.ewg.org/whichsunscreensarebest/2009report
Also, using this link: http://www.ewg.org/cosmetics/report/sunscreen09/findyoursunscreen
you can search for your favorite sunscreen and see the rating and why it’s good or bad. Most of the Neutrogena products received a “4” for “Moderate Hazard” because they have numerous toxins in them. Search for ‘Neutrogena’ then click on the one you use and take a look at the info… You might be surprised at the level of ‘bad’ ingredients.
This same website allows you to search all other types of body products, in addition to sunscreen… moisturizers, makeup, etc. Hope it helps. And thank goodness that your prognosis is not bad. :)
Big thank you to whoever said three colors was okay. I wore my blue pinstripe suit with a white blouse and a red sweater today. The suit jacket stayed button so only a little red peeked out. I need a brightener since it has been so cold and gray in the DC area. Also, yesterday, I wore my gray suit with a white blouse (I gotta work on that) and a black sweater.
So nice to have more color combinations.
So I just have a complaint to get out of my system! Why do stores (AT) even bother with sizes if things run so inconsistently? I ordered a bunch of blouses/sweaters from AT / ATL from their Presidents Day sales, and everything is exactly the same size, and yet while half of them fit perfectly fine, the other half are way, way, WAY too big, and not just baggy but very long and shapeless and lowcut etc. Like I’m wearing 2 sizes too big — but I’m not, I have never been any size smaller than this size, and the other items fit just fine! Why do stores do this? I was so looking forward to the ones that didn’t work, too..
Ah, inconsistent vanity sizing. Isn’t it fun? I completely agree that the inconsistent sizing of most stores is incredibly irritating. I wish stores would stop using sizes and just give hip-bust-waist measurements. It would make life so much easier.
The “old” AT, while known for their vanity sizing, used to be very consistent (at least for me). I could buy without trying on and everything would fit. While I appreciate the “update” that AT has undergone (though wish they would add back more suiting), the sizes are completely out of whack. Very annoying.
ATL has gotten ridiculous with how low cut some of its tops are. I am now buying shirts that aren’t long sleeved up a size in petite just so they don’t show my entire bra when I put them on. I have a long torso, so it’s ridiculous that I’m shopping in petite. What does that mean for the ladies who actually need petite clothes?
That’s a great idea, to look at the Petite’s. I’m tall but have successfully worn petite items before when the regulars just don’t fit. Unfortunately I’d probably have to try things on in stores to get them to fit. Just fyi to anyone, here is one of the sweaters that was way too big / shapeless (probably should’ve realized this from looking more closely at the picture?): http://www.anntaylor.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=23809&N=1200006&categoryId=181&Ns=CATEGORY_SEQ_181&gridSize=sm&showAll=true&defaultColor=Sugared%20Grape&defaultSizeType=Regular
I have to buy an XS! AT clothes are ridicuously big…and I agree with you about being low cut, and almost everything is sleeveless (At Banana too!). I am in the midwest, and it’s not appropriate to wear sleeveless to work unless I have a jacket or cardigan over it. Who wears all these sleeveless blouses? I guess it’s more acceptable in warmer areas or women wear jackets over them.
Agreed. Finding something with short sleeves (and proper short sleeves, not cap sleeves that show your armpits!) is impossible these days.
agreed! I’ve been having this problem a lot lately. The greatest thing I found out about this weekend is J. Crew’s “personal shopper” phone number–if you have particular item, they’ll tell you the exact measurements for that item, since it turns out they tend to vary greatly from the standards on the sizing chart. I wish everyone has this!
What’s the deal with cashmere? I have seen a lot of people on here write “I dress appropriately, I only wear cashmere sweaters,” etc. When I had southern relatives in town one older lady told me my sweater looked “like a secretary’s” and that lawyers should only wear “expensive looking fabrics like cashmere.” Ugh, can they be any snobbier? My sweater was a nice, fitted, not low cut, professional looking sweater from NY and Company. It wasn’t like a bulky skiing sweater or anything. It was the kind meant to be worn under a blazer or jacket. Solid color, no pattern, etc. (For the record, I also work in a business casual environment where partners occassionally wear jeans).
I thought she was just snotty until I started reading people’s cashmere comments on here. I checked out cashmere sweaters in the store. They don’t look that much different and they are a heck of a ton more money.
So, is it just all about status? Look at me in my fancy fabric? Or do we actually think cashmere looks better than other fabrics? I mean does it somehow sits in a way that makes you look better than any typical other sweater?
I think it’s mostly just status/snobbiness. But I guess theoretically cashmere should last longer and hold up better than other fabrics so you could wear the same sweater for years (but really, who wants to do that? I’d rather get new clothes occasionally)
I rarely buy cashmere. The recent one I did try to buy — link above — I only did because it was reduced down so much, but the sizing did not work at all.. So it’s not worth it IMO unless you have lots of money to throw around.
I never wear cashmere because it makes me itch. I think cashmere and silk are both popular because they can be very thin while still providing warmth. As long as your sweaters have a professional cut and smooth finish, I don’t think it matters much what fabric it is.
I’m not a huge cashmere fan (or even a sweater fan, period, for that matter). Cashmere pills no matter how much you pay. And colors fade and yellow over fairly short period of time. Period. Contrary to convention wisdom here, I’ve found that cashmere does NOT last longer or hold its shape better than wool or synthetic blends. And it’s often itchy (not always, tho). BTW, the technology behind newer fabrication methods is incredible nowadays. I have an papaya colored acrylic (yes, acrylic!) sweater that is soft, fluffy, non-pilling, and utterly luxurious looking. Even a Saks 5th Avenue sales associates swore it was cashmere. HUMPH. LOL.
You do have to pay attention to where the cashmere comes from – that makes a huge difference in the quality. Chinese cashmere pills and fades, etc., presumably because of shortcuts taken in the production process. Scottish and Italian cashmere tends to be much higher quality – there are online boutiques that specifically sell only Scottish or only Italian, or if you go on vacation to Italy or Scotland, cashmere clothing makes wonderful souvenirs. I have a gorgeous white Scottish cashmere scarf and gray sweater I got when I studied abroad in Edinburgh 5 years ago and they look as good as new. I also bought my bf a green Scottish cashmere scarf last year for Valentine’s day – he wears it all the time and it’s going strong.
I think the cashmere trend is ridiculous, and also itchy. Although I do have cashmere-lined leather gloves that are delightfully warm.
Personally, I prefer cashmere because I find it itches a lot less, so under-blazer sweaters or any meant to be worn without a blouse underneath I seriously prefer cashmere. Sweaters for over a shirt, I wear plenty of wool, and agree it’s hard to justify the extra cost of the cashmere. I admit, though, depending on the sweater, sometimes I find those itchy even with a T underneath.
If anyone’s making snobby comments at you when you are well turned-out, regardless of how expensive your outfit is, then THEY are the ones with a problem, not you. Have a sense of pride in your style and don’t let the mean girls get you down!
In defense of cashmere, I’m allergic to wool and need year-round warmth because of out-of-control A/C in my office. Cashmere fits the bill nicely. If you buy high-quality cashmere, it lasts a long time (I just retired two sweaters from Brooks Brothers that I bought in 2002, for instance, but they will go back into rotation after a short stint at the French reweavers). There will always be pilling, but if it’s high quality to begin with, less so.
If you are itching from cashmere, it’s very likely that you’ve been had, and it’s not cashmere. There was an article in the Sunday Times (UK) a few years ago that noted that based on the extreme uptick in global demand for cashmere, there was NO WAY that what was being sold globally as “pure cashmere” actually was true cashmere–it was far more likely to be spun wool that was treated with chemicals in Asia. Thus, buyer beware.
I’m not a snob about other fabrics–I own acrylic and cotton too, but I find that the cotton sweaters lose their color and shape easily, and the acrylic is fine if I am careful with washing. But cashmere and cotton breathe better than synthetics, so I am more comfortable wearing cashmere when its cold, and cotton when it’s hot.
I don’t think that cashmere is expensive when I amortize a sweater over ten years. Yes, I have some Target cotton sweaters, but I also have a few Brora sweaters (from London), and I love them both!
I second these comments. Cotton and acrylic just don’t provide the warmth for me, and they stretch unbelievably, so why buy a sweater made of those materials?
Thin, not itchy and warm and durable. Everything eventually fades, pills, etc… but if I can get a better dollar per wear, its a better value.
Enough: it used to be that cashmere was scarce and only the very wealthy could afford it. But then a few years ago China started exporting masses of it, prices went down, and it’s much more affordable. Same with silk. Some people are still snobby about either fibre, I guess maybe not realizing how mass-available it is now.
Personally I don’t care for either one. Cashmere is too hot for where I live now, and woven silk is a pain to maintain. I don’t mind the hand-washing, but the ironing, feh.
Second the itchy comment…I have a cashmere glove/scarf set from Ralph Lauren that is beyong itchy. And the scarf leaves fuzz all over my black coat.
I bought 3 cashmere sweaters from Banana last season that are so pilled they are practically unwearable. I would think this “textured” look is basically the purposeful style. I didn’t buy cashmere on purpose, just picked up some sweaters I liked…one is hot pink though and the fuzz is all over our house and other clothes that go in the washer with it. And I don’t put it in the dryer…
Anyone else had bad luck with Banana sweaters recently?
YES. I don’t think my sweaters were cashmere, just a blend of some sort, and they were fine at first but very quickly pilled to the point of unwearable. And it’s such a shame because I’m a sucker and keep (wanting to) buy more Banana sweaters — I like the styles and price points!
I just bought these Stuart Weitzman black faille w/ tortoiseshell slingbacks.
http://www.bluefly.com/Stuart-Weitzman-black-faille-%27Cavort%27-peep-toe-slingbacks/cat20460/302692701/detail.fly?referer=ca_froogle&cm_mmc=ca_froogle-_-na-_-womens_shoes_mules_slides-_-302692701&mr:trackingCode=8BBD13D7-E581-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA
What would you wear them with? (I know I’ll have to wait for some warmer weather…)
Black anything, but probably more flattering with pants than a pencil skirt. More A-line skirts, or dresses with fuller skirts would probably work well, too.
or tan/beige/lighter colored suits…. not sure how i would feel about it w/brown.
Hi everyone – looking for some advice here. My new workplace has a slightly different dress code than my last (previously @ law firm = suits, suits, suits. new @ in-house at large corp = professional & stylish, not suits – more pants with different jacket, or skirt with twinset kind of style).
So, to branch out of my closet full of dark suits I just bought my first pair of navy trousers this week, and I’m a bit non-plussed about what to wear with them. This isn’t just a what-shoes-to-wear-with-navy question, because I know you can wear just about any color shoes with navy (including black, but I guess that’s also a matter of opinion!), but if I wear black shoes with the navy pants, what color top should I wear? This is where suits are so convenient because you have the two pieces that match and can have some freedom with the underpinning and shoes without looking like a grab-bag. Here, I’m trying to pair one color pants (navy) with a different color of shoe and jacket/sweater/top. I don’t want to look like a mishmash.
What do you guys think?
Navy is very versatile. You can wear pink, peach, lavender, light green, turquoise, gray, white, or beige. If you’re doing a cardigan, you can also choose something in a fun pattern with some of those colors in them.
Unlike others who’ve commented here, I really really loathe black shoes with navy. I know, they’re both neutrals, but IMO it looks like you’re not trying to find a better matching pair of shoes.
I would look for (1) a pair of gray / silver shoes and/or (2) a pair of lighter blue (not navy) shoes. I have a pair of silver ballet flats and a pair of grey suede stacked heels that I’ve worn with navy. I also have two great pairs of electric blue shoes that I wear with navy, and I ALWAYS get compliments. Think 2 shades lighter than navy, but still in the same color family (i.e. no greenish tint). Actually, this is one of the pairs I have:
http://www.zappos.com/michael-michael-kors-fulton-moc-royal-white
You can also always look for navy shoes, but it’s so hard to find ones that aren’t frumpy looking.
Good luck! Embrace the navy!
I don’t know whether Deborah has a Dillard’s near her, but I just got a pair of cute navy pumps there a few weeks ago in the 70% off sale. There were also 2-3 other options in the sale that were not frumpy looking.
I usually wear gray shoes with my navy suit because then I can wear either a black or a brown top. But I think if you wear black shoes, it’s fine to wear any color top that you’d normally wear with black. Think of the navy slacks as the equivalent of jeans – whatever color top you’d wear with jeans and black shoes will work with the navy slacks.
So just to be sure I’m getting the varied comments here on my navy trouser dilemma – you think it’s okay to wear, say, an eggplant/grey/green/whatever-other-color-that-goes colored top, with navy trousers, and then black/chocolate/light beige/ shoes (that may, or may not, match the top or the pants)? That’s where I’m getting hung up. I have mostly all black or brown shoes, but don’t want to be stuck wearing just black or brown tops with the navy pants. If I wear the colored top, do I have to find shoes that also match the top?
So the discussion about burgundy shoes to wear with navy got me searching the internet, and look at these shoes I found! It covers ALL the bases:
http://www.zappos.com/stuart-weitzman-stitchup-scarlet-suede
What do you gals think?
Pretty!
Navy is a neutral color, so you don’t really need to stress too much about matching it. Just imagine you’re wearing a dress the color of your top and figure out what color shoes you’d wear with the dress. I often wear pink with beige shoes, so if I were wearing pink with navy pants, I’d still wear the beige shoes. I’d probably prefer to wear lavender with gray shoes, turquoise with chocolate shoes, etc.
Hear, hear! Pretend navy is black or grey for this exercise, wear whatever colors you’d like with it. And feel free to celebrate preppy color cues, since navy can be so preppy. Good luck!
On a similar note, what would you pair with taupe pants? I just bought a pair and so far have worn them exclusively with black tops (either a black turtleneck or twin set), but I’ve been feeling rather colorless lately and would like to branch out.
Have you read about the 4 universally flattering colors? Any of those four colors would look good with taupe (or navy for that matter.)
here
*sigh* I knew, clicking on that link, that at least one of those colours would look terrible on a redhead who doesn’t have perfect pale skin that never flushes.
It’s depressing to see that THREE of the colours featured would look terrible on me.
YES! Thank you. Universal, in a universe where gingers don’t exist (which seems to be the same universe from which all beauty and fashion advice originates). Jerks.
I do love eggplant, though.
Even though all the women in the photos seemed to have different coloring, (“Look! we included an African-American AND a blonde!”) they really all had very similar, cool skin tones and could therefore wear similar colors.
I like all four colors, but agree that they aren’t truly universal.
That rose color looked bad on all four models, and would wash me (also a redhead) out completely. There is no “universally good” color. Unfortunately, experience and good lighting are our only reliable guides. And perhaps a good friend with opposite coloring with whom we could trade our mistakes!
Yuck to all of those colors except the eggplant!
And funnily enough, I (warm undertones, dark blonde hair that has been known to be red occasionally) love all those colors and am planning to add more of them to my wardrobe! I used to have a shirt in that exact peachy-rose color and got tons of compliments. I guess nothing is really universal…
Assuming we’re talking about a more traditional dark taupe, I think you can safely wear almost any pastel with it. If it’s a pale taupe, I’d treat it like you treat khaki and go with more jewel tones and dark colors.
Thanks for the advice! These are the pants – http://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=6867&vid=1&pid=670840 – so I think they’re more khaki-like.
Those pants look very versatile. I think you can easily wear them year round with both pastels and jewel tones. Any idea of they are lined? I love the Jackson fit but can’t handle wool against bare skin.
Yes, they are fully lined (I won’t buy pants that are not). I too love the Jackson fit – they’re literally the only pants I’ve ever found that fit me off the rack, and if I buy the petite length, I don’t even have to get them hemmed. I’m dreading the inevitable day that they’re discontinued.
I’d wear rich or bright colors – eggplant, burgundy, darker/deeper blues, etc.
I like burgundy, wine, taupe, or printed shoes (brown leopard peeptoes) with navy pants.. I also have some cute navy and white spectator pumps from Marc Jacobs. Kill my feet, but oh so worth it! I’m on an in-house engagement and LOVING the fashion freedom…
Re: Corporette Lucky dress — It’s cute but I can’t imagine wearing it anywhere except on vacay. Puts all your goodies out there, IMHO, for this almost 40 year old.
Re: sunscreen
I like Neutrogena Ultra Dry Touch too and I also use makeup with sunscreen that I got from my dermatologist. The brand is colorscience. I haven’t been thrilled with its cover-up abilities but it seems to work as a sunscreen and even though I have very oily skin, it hasn’t made me break out.
I’m going to be graduating from law school soon and would like some advice re: relocation. I’m currently in the PDX, OR area with my husband [we were both engineers] and we would like to move to a better climate. Does anyone currently live/practice in Boise? Or maybe Denver? I would love some feedback on what the legal markets are like [I read in a relocation forum that Boise is very sexist?!]. I’m hoping to find patent work, but I also have a strong interest in litigation.
Thanks.
Wait, Boise and Denver have better climates than PDX? Aren’t they snow central?
Boise and Denver have many more days of sunshine than Portland. Some folks prefer sunny days with snow on the ground over PDX’s many gloomy (if above freezing) days.
I’m wetting my feet with the whole on-line shopping without trying on first, thing. Any thoughts on this skirt.
http://shop.nordstrom.com/S/3067994/0~2376780~6009391~6014865~6014869~6014876?mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=category&searchtype=&pbo=6014876&P=1
I like the silvery gray color. I think it would be very nice for spring and would probably work with a black jacket I already have. But would I be limited to black with it, or would it work with some other colored top?
That’s a beautiful skirt! I have a skirt in a similar color and style, and it looks great with blue as well as black. I have a v-neck sweater the same color, and in cooler weather wear that over a shades-of-blue sheer blouse, and I think it looks great. Of course, gray is a good summer neutral, so most of your summer tops will work. Try it on with everything in your closet–you might be pleasantly surprised!
I would kill for that skirt. It is gorgeous. Grey is a neutral, as other noted above. You can wear so much with it. I wear a teal top or a purple top with my grey suit or skirts.
Gray is a neutral you can wear with almost anything. For spring, you can wear it with pastels, and in the fall you can transition over to darker colors.
I really like the skirt. I am a pear shape and have found that the Classiques Entier pencil skirts fit me fairly well. That’s something to keep in mind if you aren’t as curvy.
I think I tend more toward pear than hourglass shape now. So that is good to know MelD. I’ve almost talked myself into the skirt.
Me too, MelD! I thought pear shapes couldn’t wear pencil skirts, but the Classiques Entier skirts are so flattering. They’re the only ones I have found so far that I can wear.
Someone is kidding herself to think you can wear pink or peach with navy. Just because two colors do not “clash” does not mean that putting them together is a good way to dress.
You’re wrong. Peach and navy are great together.
+1 Perfect combination.
+1 Pink and peach both look great with navy. Peach is a variation of orange, which is blue’s direct complement. And anyone who says red and blue (navy and pink) don’t go well together is kidding herself.
I can’t wear pink or peach with ANY color, if either one is near my face. My skin is basically a pinky peach or a peachy pink, so I look totally washed out. However, I used to have a navy suit that I wore with a white blouse and a silk scarf that had several pale pinks in it. The scarf was worn under the collar of the suit, away from my face. Every time I wore that combo, I got tons of compliments and felt like a million bucks.
Another combo with navy that looks good, but not necessarily near my face, is lime green. Pops of color on scarves or jewelry can really work well…
I was surprised that peachy pink was listed as a neutral in the article posted above. I have the same issue as you and look like a corpse when I wear a light peachy pink. I can wear brighter versions of that color as long as they offer some contrast to my skintone. I sometimes do something similar wearing white shirts with pink/red accents to get that peach with navy look without actually having to wear peach.
That’s an interesting comment, Anne. What do you like to wear with navy? I love navy because I think it looks good in combo with lots of different colors. I have an orange blazer that I love with navy pants – that would probably really be on your “no” list!
Interestingly enough, there were some interesting comments by the Project Runway judges this week on whether colors from the blue/orange groups can be paired together. I was a little surprised because I remember in the ’80s it seemed like it was all the rage to decorate offices in peach, turquoise, and gray color schemes.
I’m in the camp that thinks they look fine together and would wear pink/peach with navy in a second. I also think bright orange and navy look great together in bold patterns.
Aren’t blue and orange opposite colors on the color wheel and thus supposed to go great together? (I might be mangling that – my grasp of artistic theory is non-existent.) Anyway, I always think they look good together, especially if the colors are vivid ones – washed out blues and oranges maybe aren’t as great.
You are correct :) Complementary, secondary and tertiary combinations are always great together – a great way to update your wardrobe without buying a thing is to look at a color wheel to see what else can go together (that you wouldn’t have otherwise paired). My biggest complements almost always come from outfits like this!
I use a color wheel for quilting. It is online and interactive so you can pick how many colors you want, next to each other, separated by x number of other colors, etc. I need to start using this for my wardrobe too.
Just don’t wear bold orange and blue together in the deep south… unless you WANT everyone to think you’re a huge auburn fan ; )
I That said, really, Anne? No navy and pink? What a sad way to dress! I loooooove navy and pink and would wear it all the time if I didn’t have red hair (pink is a very tricky color for me). Guess someone needs to tell Ralph Lauren Polo that navy and pink “don’t go.”
I’m originally from Illinois – they’re Illini colors too! But I figure no one here in the northeast will notice. :-)
Actually, I was thinking Gator colors…
Just read the NY Times article “Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs.” I just got laid off and the article is giving me palpitations. The recession has really affected the legal job market. Is anyone seeing signs of improvement? (lie to me, I need to sleep tonight!)…
^^Different Sarah…
Lie: I am seeing signs of improvement! My friends who graduated in the law school class ahead of me are getting jobs now! Hurrah!! There is hope for us yet!!
I am actually seeing more job openings being posted on the local legal listserves that I am on. Also, around here, (rural area, in a smaller state, population-wise) solo practitioners are doing well.
It’s brutal out there. Even 2 years after the market tanked, law firms are still laying off good lawyers for lack of work. I have friends who worked in real estate who said that the stress of waiting for months to be fired was worse than actually getting let go. Lateral partners don’t pass the laugh test unless they have a $1M book of business (collectible). In-house is tough now and government is inundated with applications from law firm refugees. Network, network, network. And don’t rule out contract work in the interim. Wish I had better advice…
That article seems to focus on non-professionals. I know a lot of laid-off firm lawyers who are getting enough contract work to pay the bills, and hiring has picked up at some firms and public-sector places.
As soon-to-be law school grad, that eased my anxiety about finding a job in the near future.
Judging from the other comments, perhaps my advice should be to move to DC. I don’t know any lawyers who are out of work here, although there have been some layoffs. But I hear from friends at firms that workloads are picking up a lot, and hiring can’t be far behind.
I’m in DC and unfortunately, do know of people who have been out of work and looking for a long time (my former firm went through 3-4 rounds of layoffs). Also, I’m doing some hiring for my gov’t agency and can see the # of people still looking from our applications.
That said, headhunters have started calling again. I’ve been approached twice in the last month for in-house positions, plus another time for a law firm position (I’m not looking but treat headhunter calls as a market indicator). It’s been months since that last happened.
I know I am seeing an uptick in job postings….but there are a lot of unemployed lawyers in the market so I suspect the recipe for employment will be right skill set plus major networking for some time…..
I’d qualify my posting that the job listings I am seeing are in-house, and not for new or very junior attorneys.
I’m in FL and graduated last spring. I still haven’t found anything nor have my other friends looking here. I’ve heard similar complaints from people in NY state and CA. Everyone I’ve talked to here in FL says firms are still laying off people and the competition for government jobs is fierce. They aren’t necessarily open to taking entry level attorneys when there are more experienced applicants willing to take the same pay.
Does anyone have a Brooks Brothers non-iron club dress shirt?:
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=1&Section_Id=925&Parent_id=1033&Product_Id=1436493&default_color=Golden-haze
I like how the blouse doesn’t button up to the neck (which never works with my chest). Other opinions, anyone?
I hate how they paired it with the white pants, but it would probably go great with a suit. What color suit were you planning on wearing it with? Now I’m thinking of getting it myself… :)
I have one very similar to it. Love it.
Has anyone tried the Perfect Scoop Neck T Shirt (cotton and modal blend) at Ann Taylor? I am very small (petite size 0 or 2) and have a hard time doing a button front blouse with a suit–too much collar, where to put the collar, etc.
Does anyone know if these are dressy enough to wear with a suit?
Also, what about the fit? Obviously I don’t want a gaping neck.
Thanks.
Looks ok to me.
I just tried the “perfect v-neck t-shirt” and it’s too t-shirty to wear with a suit, but it’s a different shirt, and looks more casual in the photos than yours does. So I say go for it.
I’d be careful with the neckline. It seems like the scoop neck t-shirts at both AT/ATL have gotten very low cut as of late and may end up showing the top (or half) of your bra. My go-to suit tops are the short or 3/4 sleeve sweaters that come out at AT/ATL later in the spring. In past seasons, I’ve found the necklines on the sweaters to be more modest.
Just found 70% cashmere/30% silk shawl/scarves at Dillard’s in El Paso for $17.70 each. Score! I bought a true red, an off white, and a teal ombre. They were hiding in a large group of rayon scarves in the back clearance rack. Other colors included camel, deep purple, an orangey-red, lime green, and steel blue/gray. My husband is unimpressed with my big sale find, so I thought I’d share with the Corporette crowd.
I wear large scarves all the time now. They work as wraps to keep my shoulders warm or can quickly flip around my neck to keep a draft off. Amazingly versatile for summer and winter, and they fold up small to tuck into my bag when I don’t need them. Since I’m just starting to go through menopause, it really works well for me to have the extra layer on hand. Warm, cold, warm, cold, HOT!!!!!
Fabulous! I don’t have a Dillard’s within 100 miles, so I’m officially jealous :)
eplawyer,
It never occurred to me that I could/should use my quilting color wheel to put clothing colors together. I might just have to take another look at what colors I’m putting into my quilts.
And add my voice to the pink + navy is a great combination. I love those two colors together.
Cuff link advice needed…
I bought a nice shirt from Brooks Brothers with French cuffs, I was shopping for cuff links. But most stores only carry cuff links in the Men’s department, and most of them are too large. So large it would look strange on me because I’m a slim/small Asian female.
Any advice?
etsy!
cuffdaddy.com
I’ve bought several from them w/ no problems. The cufflinks are the right weight and size for a woman and look nice, plus aren’t near as expensive as BB’s.
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