Wednesday’s Workwear Report: Frances Blouse

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A woman wearing a yellow floral top and blue jeans

Our daily workwear reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices.

This easy, breezy printed blouse from Emerson Fry looks like the perfect end-of-summer top. As I’m mentally preparing for a scorchingly hot August, I’m also making sure that my arsenal of cotton and linen tops is ready to carry me through until the heat breaks. The 100%-cotton fabric will keep things cool, and the floral print looks cheerful enough to distract me from potential spontaneous combustion.

The top is $128 at Emerson Fry and comes in sizes XS–L.

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222 Comments

  1. I’m heading to an industry conference that will be a mix of technical/business folks and attorneys, and I’m looking for advice on what to wear. It’s a fairly men-dominant industry, and I expect the attorneys will be more formal than the technical people, but I’ve never been before and my male colleague who is going with me just said he’d plan to wear suits or button down + slacks. Any suggestions? I’m size 16/18, mid-30s, want to look professional but friendly.

    1. When I want to look “professional but friendly” to men in a work setting I go for clean lines, structured cuts and fabrics, and most of all some color. Men read color as “friendly”. Given what you describe I would go for a neutral dress with a colored blazer, or pants with a colored blouse, or colored sweater over a neutral blouse.

    2. If you are a dress person, short sleeved dress and blazer. If you are a pants person, professional pants, short sleeve top, and blazer. The dress or top should look good if you take your blazer off. These two outfits are my uniform at every conference and I never look out of place.

      Loafers have been my professional shoe for many years, so I would wear my loafers with either outfit.

      1. This except I wear a sleeveless sheath dress because a short-sleeved dress is bulky under a blazer. The layers are essential because hotel ballrooms are always either freezing or sweltering.

    3. Take your cue from him. Wear a suit or separates. Not your federal court jury trial black or navy wool, but more what you’d wear to docket call. Professional hair, make up, general put togetherness will make way more than what clothes you are wearing. I promise you none of the guys are worried about being friendly with their outfit choices.

    4. Figure out what comfortable (comfortable enough to walk around quite a bit) shoes you’re going to wear, and then build your outfit from there. I’m assuming you’re an attorney and should be on the slightly more formal side: I’d follow your colleagues cue and wear separates, with a blouse under a jacket that is nice by itself in case you get warm.

      If you’re on the tech side and maybe not so formal (this is my role), I’d wear white jeans and a blazer with a sleeveless top underneath. I absolutely wear my pink Nikes to conferences.

      Also, the most friendly thing you can do at a conference is make sure that your name badge is visible so people can see it, and be open to conversations.

  2. I have never heard of Emerson Fry somehow. Is there something I should know about this company? Reliable? Worth the money?

      1. Just beautiful.

        But I just could not bring myself to spend $300 for a caftan…. that’s partially see through…

    1. Fantastic quality, small batch clothes, never on sale so if you like something get it.

      1. They sometimes have outlet/clearance sales – I’ve gotten some amazing deals on EF clothing. They are real sales and not fake mall store “sales” – truly leftover sizes, odds and ends, and sample packs.

        1. True, but it’s not the same as a regular 20% off deal and it’s lucky items and typically only very small sizes in those. I’d still jump on an item if you like it.

  3. I was quoted almost 1k on prescription sunglasses from a local optical shop – is this just what these cost? I have never ordered prescription sunglasses before. I have a strong prescription and astigmatism and have had bad experiences with glasses from warby parker and chains, and it looks like Costco doesn’t do prescription sunglasses.

    1. Seems really high unless you picked super-designer frames. I have similar eyes as yours and out of pocket prescription Ray Bans were like $450.

      1. +1

        I just ordered Ray Bans prescription glasses from Costco for around $200 all together.
        My Costco does do prescription sunglasses. They tried to get me to order a 2nd pair of prescription sunglasses when I bought my regular glasses, as they had a $50 off your second pair sale.

        That local optical shop is insanely high.

    2. Costco does do prescription sunglasses, I recently bought a pair there. I also have some very expensive glasses, the difference was that optometrist ground their own lenses. They are by far the best glasses I ever had, but I decided not necessary for sunglasses.

    3. I got a pair of Chanel frames and my total with lenses was around $650 so seems a bit high but my lenses were also pretty standard and this was a few years ago.

    4. I have as minimal of correction as possible and pre-pandemic Rx sunnies set me back $450 at the local shop. Stronger correction, specialty lenses, any little add-on glazing, and frames that don’t look fugly as sin ups the price tremendously.

    5. That seems high, but if you picked expensive frames and didn’t have insurance coverage, I could see it coming to that. I was quoted around $500 this spring for high index polarized lenses with one of the cheaper frames at my optician (with insurance). I ended up deciding that was too expensive and not buying them, especially because I didn’t really like any of the frames. I’m still trying to decide if I should go with something online or try another store to see if I can find some frames I like better. I also have a tricky prescription so I’m a little wary of the online stores, and they’re not THAT much cheaper once you have to get into the high index lenses and everything else I need.

      1. I don’t think $1,000 is so crazy. I wear progressives and they are expensive. Add in some nice frames and it’s easy to get to $1,000.

        1. I spent $1200 on prescription sunglasses last year. They were expensive frames, and I have a complex prescription, but it was a sticker shock moment. Luckily insurance covered most of it, and I really liked the frames.

      1. That seems high, even if you’re paying out of pocket and through an optometrist, would expect $300-$500.

        I think Zenni (online) does prescription sunglasses for cheap, could be worth looking into especially if you’ve never had them/want to try them out

      2. About $350 is totally unrealistic for that sort of prescription though, unless a huge portion is covered by insurance . When you start needing thinner glass and any sort of lens that isn’t single vision you can easily pay $500 or so for the lenses alone. Add in a good anti-glare coating and you’re even higher.

    6. How much do your regular glasses cost? Sunglasses shouldn’t be much more than that.

    7. Unless it really comes down to your prescription, I would think you could do better by ~50%.

    8. A bit high, but I would not be shocked by $600-$800. Hubs were around $650 with Maui Jim frames. I’d talk to the optical shop about what is driving the cost – I would guess it is a combination of a high cost for the frames + something particular about the lenses.

      1. This. Prescription sunglasses tend to be more expensive than standard prescription glasses because the high-end sunglasses companies do not offer the same discounts. If you have an astigmatism correction and/or progressive lenses I wouldn’t be at all surprised by something in the $600-700 range for Maui Jim or Costa. $1K seems a bit high, though.

    9. That seems high unless you picked really fancy frames. I have a strong prescription (and an astigmatism) and have to get the expensive high index lenses, and mine are still usually 500-600ish. (caveat these are regular glasses, not sunglasses, as I usually wear contacts+normal sunglasses, but I can’t imagine sunglasses would be that much more)

      1. Sunglasses are a lot more expensive. The polarized lens treatment costs extra, and the specialty sunglasses companies (Maui Jim, Costa, Oakley, etc.) don’t offer any of the discounts that you can usually get on regular glasses.

    10. At my local shop, I end up paying about $700. Glasses are just expensive, especially when you start adding in strong correction and astigmatism. $1000 does not seem out of line, honestly.

      1. Oh, I just realized you were talking about sunglasses, not regular glasses! Yeah, $1000 seems high.

    11. My lenses are not standard, and glasses and sunglasses are one area where I splurge. So it sounds about right to me if you have not so basic lenses and pricy frames, purchased at a boutique optician.

    12. I bought prescription sunglasses from Costco last December so if you want costco you should call the optical department and check.

    13. Local optical shops tend to be much more expensive, often with higher end frames, than the chain eyeglass stores, such as Lenscrafters. I use a local optical store and usually pay around $1K per pair for Rx eyeglasses and sunglasses.

    14. Pre-pandemic, when I bought fancy frames for sunglasses, it could be $600-ish (bifocals). My sister has tri-focals, and hers were more expensive. Both of us in HCOL. Add four years, a pandemic and the inflation associated with both, it seems on the higher side, but not by orders of magnitude.

    15. No, I don’t think they should cost $1000 unless maaaybe you were looking at the most expensive frames.

    16. I get my Rx sunglasses at costco and they cost about a hundred bucks with lenses. Just no to $1000+. Murphy’s law means they will be left behind, sat on, or scratched immediately if you spend that much.

    17. I have a similar prescription and just replaced the lenses in my sunglasses. Just the lenses were $425, and i think when I added designer frames, they were close to $1000 originally.

      I anti-recommend Costco for glasses with a challenging prescription – they got my pupil placement so wrong that the bottom edge of the lenses was a half-inch thick, and then tried to tell me that no one would ever be able to make glasses with my prescription.

    18. I think some of the disparities in prices people are listing have a lot to do with the kind of lenses they need. I just went back and looked at the receipt for mine and it cost an extra $175 for high index lenses (pretty much required if you have a strong prescription) and an extra $100 for polarized lenses (I have very light sensitive eyes and issues with glare). You can get away with much cheaper ones if you don’t need those things. It’s infuriating, because my nonprescription polarized sunglasses are cheap and just fine, but I’m also having issues with dry eyes and don’t want to wear contacts all the time now.

    19. Are your existing sunglass frames sturdy? Why not just switch in the prescription lenses? I do that with frames I bought at a consignment store for less than $10.

      1. Yes, you can take old frames and if your optometrist’s office can find lenses to fit them, you can order just the new (sunglass) lens and have them put in your old frames.

        1. Just the lenses are still going to cost hundreds and hundreds of dollars with OP’s prescription.

          1. Also, with a strong Rx, they often won’t be able to fit your lenses in many sunglasses.

          2. I have astigmatism and near-sightedness, and I used existing frames. It wasn’t by any means “hundreds and hundreds.”

      2. I do this for reading glasses. The lenses are so much better than drugstore readers.

    20. Depends. Prescription sunglasses will cost at least the same as your regular sunglasses. My ones cost about 450 dollars, of which 200 was the frames themselves, but I have super easy vision with a fairly low, simple nearsightedness-correction.

  4. I have a coin that I would like to turn into an pendent to wear with a chain as a necklace. There seem to be little kits that are available that hold the coin for DIY conversion. I want a secure solution, are there other options? Do jeweler do anything different?

    1. If you care about the coin, have a jeweler do it, they know how to weld and make sure it’s secure. I wouldn’t trust a DIY kit.

      1. I have a very old silver coin that’s a pendant and the silver hanging clasp is welded onto the coin itself. I would think a good jeweler should be able to do something similar for your coin.

    2. I can’t imagine a DIY kit turning out as nice as having a jeweler weld higher-quality metal specifically to your coin, if you have the budget.

    3. Get a jeweler to weld it. I have baby ring (so similar concept) that a jeweler welded to a chain and it looks great.

  5. Ugh, I am wearing this top today and I am not sure why I bought it…feels definitely not great. I’ll be donating! Does this happen to anyone else? I bought it when taking my DD shopping, maybe that’s why? (L*nk to follow)

    1. I actually like the one you linked too but if it’s not something you feel comfortable in definitely pass it one. Someone else will love it. I am sometimes influenced in the wrong direction when I shop with my daughter or with my sister.

    2. It’s because Target clothes are trash. The cut and sizing are always weird. The fabric is cheap and the seams are always off. They sometimes look OK while you are posing in the fitting room but when you actually wear them the lack of quality quickly becomes apparent.

      1. +100000. They are cheap and lose their shape immediately. As I have gotten into my late 30s, I can no longer pull off cheap clothes like this. If you want clothes at a low price, buying nicer quality secondhand is way better than Target, ON, Walmart, etc.

    3. What feels not great about it? I like it, but if you don’t feel good, then definitely donate!

      I’ve realized that I can easily be swayed by Target stuff in the store but the pieces rarely end up as favorites. Thus, I’ve curbed my Target buys, no matter how cute on the hanger.

    4. I have this top and wore it Monday! I love it – looks great with higher waisted jeans. Somebody will wear it.

      1. Just looking at the photo – that’s what turned me off, the hem is very short. I believe that it looks good with high waists, but otherwise I would constantly fidget with the hem and worry that it would ride up.

    5. I think you’re not liking it on yourself because it looks unstylish to your eye, but it probably does look cute and on-trend. The boxy silhouette has definitely been having a moment. If you’re over ~35 then that’s exactly the silhouette you’ve been trying to avoid for most of your life! Even the drapey flowy tops of the past 10 years cut in at the waist nicely to show some shape. This new style is just a box. You can experiment with different tucks to give it a bit more shape.

      1. I’m having such a hard time adjusting to this! I have more of a tummy than I used to, so awesome for hiding that, but I can’t say I look or feel good in boxy cuts.

      2. I don’t think it’s even that, I have a bunch of other boxy things that I wear but this one is just not great, maybe not cropped enough or maybe it’s the stripes? Like I feel like a candy striper.

    6. Solidarity. I’ve given up buying clothes at Target. They look cute but there is always something a little wonky about the fit that makes me not wear it.

    7. I saw your link. I bought two tops very similar to that and felt awful in them too. You have my permission to donate.

  6. Are double-breasted blazers here to stay and are they versatile? I picked up a Reiss Gaia blazer on sale, which is still a price point that is a bit of a splurge. it fits well. I can’t decide whether to keep it. I only have one other blazer I wear, a black collarless one.

    1. That one looks like a good cut, that isn’t too trendy so won’t date quickly. I think double breasted looks great with pants or slim skirts. The cut can look wonky over some dresses.

    2. Yes, double breasted blazers are here to stay. They are classic. But, just like any classics, the fabric, color, length, cut, and lapel style can vary according to trends. I’d keep only if you have exact outfits you’d wear this with, know where and when you’d wear those outfits, and know that you’ll wear the outfits often enough to feel good about the splurge.

    3. I think so? I was reading an article this morning about fashion trends for the fall and 80’s style business attire is still not. Other trends are metallic, preppy, silk and lace dresses, in case anyone was wondering.

  7. This might be a question for the moms board but looking for wider perspectives. Thoughts on the best age to start instrument lessons? My husband started in fifth grade and took piano very seriously and got quite good. But kids seem to be starting younger in our area and I’m not sure if it’s worth getting the habit set up earlier or not.

    For reference, potential instruments are piano and drums.

    1. Have the kids expressed interest? I’m not a parent but I’d think the right answer is, either when they want to or the school requires it.

    2. I think it depends on how much your kid wants to take lessons and how serious of an interest you think they might have. My husband is a musician, and both of my kids wanted to start in 1st/2nd grade. I’ve seen kids as young as 3 at lessons, but my husband says that is a waste for most kids. You might also consider how early band/orchestra starts in school. Where we live, it starts in 4th grade, so it is helpful if kids can read music by that time.

    3. Piano–when they can read and sit still for 1/2 hour, so around first grade. Drums–never.

    4. My grandmother was a music teacher for years. I showed interest in piano at a young age and she taught me some basics. But she held off on formal lessons (she paid for them) until I was in the third grade. She felt that age (I think I was around 8-9) is best in terms of maturity, attention span, etc.

      1. Same – I was plunking on the family piano since I was 4/5, but I didn’t start lessons until I was in 3rd grade. In addition to maturity/attention span, there’s also just having hands big enough to play the instrument (for piano specifically here. Some instruments are available in smaller versions for younger kids).

    5. Thanks all so far – adding in, school doesn’t require band or orchestra (there actually isn’t a band) and neither is popular. No learning of instruments at school in the normal course. It’s sort of a weird hole in the private school’s curriculum. So any learning here would be outside school.

      Kids have mentioned instruments but not begged.

    6. If they are interested, I’d start piano around first grade for general musical literacy. If they want to pick up another instrument they can do that somewhere between third and fifth grade depending on the instrument (I’d wait later for winds than for strings). Percussion is quick to pick up later on if the kid can read music and count; piano experience is a helpful foundation for mallets.

      As a musician I’d look for a piano teacher who emphasizes theory, technique, and reading. A lot of piano teachers are nice old ladies who let the kids play “fun” songs and don’t enforce reading. Most kids will actually be bored and frustrated by this approach even if they think it’s more fun than a more rigorous approach, because they don’t make progress.

    7. I think it depends on the kid and the instrument, but as someone who did Suzuki violin, I’m probably a bit biased toward starting younger, at least for piano. I think it really helps train your ear. But that’s definitely dependent on the kid being interested and having the right setting. My public school started lessons in first grade for strings, but not until third for band instruments and never offered piano.

    8. My kid wanted to do piano and we started in 1st, based on her request. But it would have been awful if she didn’t want to — she is reluctant to practice and the only way I can get her to do it is by reminding her that she wanted this and that we will stop doing lessons if she doesn’t practice. It’s become clear to us that she doesn’t have much talent for it, but she can play a few things decently with practice, and I think it’s really good for her to learn even if she won’t be a concert pianist in this lifetime.

    9. I started piano lessons in 3rd grade though ultimately gave it up in middle school when I focused on the instrument I was playing in school band, orchestra, etc. Instead I had a weekly private lesson on that.

    10. When they express enough interest that they will take it seriously and put in the work without a huge amount of parental involvement.

    11. Hello! I’m a hobby musician married to a professional musician and we now have two college aged kids who are very good at their instruments. One of them is more into it and more of a multi-instrumentalist than the other I think due to natural talent.

      We started lessons after they joined the school band or orchestra, so 4th grade level. So at first it was just school classes, then lessons when they individually expressed a desire to get better. My violinist took lessons from the high school orchestra teacher who offers private lessons as a side gig. My multi-instrumentalist at first took trumpet lessons from a member of our city symphony, then double bass lessons from a local jazz musician, and now he’s primarily a self-taught and dad-taught guitarist (and astonishingly good at it.)

      We could have started lessons earlier but we wanted it to be kid-driven so that practicing was something they wanted to do rather than us ordering them to do it.

      And it’s never too late to start lessons. I took piano lessons from age 20 to age 40.

    12. Starting very young (5-6 or less) is very risky unless the child clearly has a musical gift and/or is expressing interest in music early. These are the kids singing all the time, poking out tunes on your piano, that you can tell already have perfect pitch (!) etc… and often one of the parents is a musician so there is some genetics going on there. But it is still a little risky to start very young with a musician parent IF that parent/child dynamic is a bit strained. The adult parent can start putting too much pressure on the child to practice/be a perfectionist etc… and drive a gifted child right away from music. I have seen it, and it is very sad.

      When music was a part of our school curriculum, all 3rd graders were introduced to musical instruments, and could start group lessons at school for free. We even had a small orchestra for the 5th and 6th graders. Those ages are good, and even better – starting early with group learning and orchestra is so fun for kids.

      Learning and instrument is really hard work. And …. lonely…. So trying to make it fun, in small spurts, involving other kids, parental participation is a good strategy.

      But music requires a lot of parental involvement/dedication/pain tolerance (!).

      I started on violin. My Mom played piano and said she secretly pushed me towards the violin, but I remember vividly my 3rd grade school assembly where a small orchestra performed for us and then had an instrument “petting zoo” – we could go up and hold/try each instrument. I started the violin. I had a natural ability, so the teacher told my Mom to start my brothers playing. It is the most wonderful, deeply fulfilling thing I have done in my life, and my best friends and experiences are all through my music connections.

      So for your kids now, I really recommend just exposing them to music in the home. Dad practicing (but don’t let him be the teacher……!). Music in the background at every meal time. Singing together. Dancing together. Activities with friends that involve music. Go to concerts, but don’t force them to sit through long challenging ones. Let your husband invite his music friends with their kids over, and all play music together and have a great time.

      Singing and piano are great ways to start music. Piano keyboards are mostly in tune all the time! The drums are rough…. But your child will love it and have a great time. And hopefully he/she will play in a band and have passions for the rest of their lives!

      1. I agree that the social part is key. I would never have wanted to play piano because it’s mostly individual. My school offered Suzuki violin starting in first grade, so it was always a fun social thing, and then we also had orchestra starting in third grade. When I got to high school, I couldn’t fit orchestra into my schedule, and it probably wasn’t a coincidence that I quit after 9th grade and focused on sports and other things instead. But I don’t in the slightest bit regret the time I spent on the violin and I still deeply love classical music. My parents are still good friends with many of the parents of the other kids I played with, almost 40 years later!

      2. This sounds like the approach that my parents took with my sister. She’s an excellent vocalist and loves music. My parents encouraged her to try out for school plays and join the chorus in elementary school. We both played instruments starting at age 9. I sucked and gave it up by high school… I simply don’t have musical talent. But that’s okay. My sister, however, thrived in a house full of music – singing together all the time, music playing all the time, going to concerts and musicals, listening to my dad play his many instruments, encouragement to sit down at the piano or sing whenever she wanted.

      3. Perfect pitch is not a necessary component of musical talent, and the innate tendency towards perfect pitch is developed by playing a fixed-pitch instrument. So I would not be looking for perfect pitch before letting a kid take music lessons.

        1. No one said that.

          And no, most people cannot learn perfect pitch. Very good relative pitch can be learned. But when you meet someone with innate perfect pitch, it is completely different. They pull a “D” out of the air and know it is a D the way you or I know red is red. They just have to be taught to associate the letter D with the sound. It is a beautiful thing.

          1. I am aware that this is how perfect pitch works. My point is that kids with that tendency are not going to learn to associate the note name with the pitch until they play an instrument and learn note names. And your post states that parents should be looking for perfect pitch as a sign that kids deserve music lessons, which is just not true.

    13. We started my son in kindergarten in a program called Let’s Play Music, that you can find all over the country. Year 1 is learning about notes and chords on a set of hand bells. Then years 2 and 3 are group piano lessons. He loved it, learned a ton, and added new skills each year. Now at age 9, he’s still interested and wants to move to private lessons. It was a fun way to see if he liked it and let him learn the basics when he was young and can learn new skills very quickly.

    14. I think it really depends on the kid, the teacher you find, and what you want your kid to get out of the experience.

      My mother was a music teacher, my father was a music major in college. I played the piano from 3 to 13, and the violin from 8 til 16.

      I feel like learning to read music and play an instrument is really important, to the extent that a family is able to support that (lessons, not to mention instruments are expensive and practicing in an apartment can be tricky).

      When it came to my daughter, I told her she had to pick an instrument – she picked the drums and has been playing since she was 5. We lucked out and just had amazing teachers, who made it fun and just have taught her so much about music, musicianship and life. She’s not an amazing drummer, she has no interest in performing and she’s an inconsistent practice-r but she continually confirms her desire to continue her lessons, so I’m fine with how it all worked out.

      1. I think this brings up a great point.

        Not everyone is going to be a great musician and many people will quit later in childhood/life. But it is an excellent creative/motor learning thing to do, with so many potential social benefits. Musicians just tend to be good kids.

        For that reason I think it is great if more kids get to play a sport and be on a team, even if they aren’t superstars, and have a creative hobby, even if they aren’t Picasso, because you learn such valuable skills/lessons in these arenas. Our crazy overscheduled society and competitive approach to raising our children seems less supportive of this, at times.

        My niece is a very mediocre string player, but kept it up all through high school and still really enjoys it. It was a large part of her social life. She is sad that she is going to college, and they only have a “serious” orchestra, that is probably too competitive for her needs/abilities. So we are trying to introduce her to “fiddling” and different kinds of music you can make, where she might find another outlet in the community to play music, have fun, and be with good people who love it too.

  8. I’ve been spacey lately. I don’t know how else to say it. Stupid things like forgetting my coffee on the table. Leaving an entire take-and-bake pizza in the car and not realizing it until morning, thus it was spoiled and I had to throw it out. Not remembering whether an event is on Wednesday or Thursday. I honestly think I just have way too much on my mind, but I don’t see this changing anytime soon, so how can I stop being such a space cadet? I am a list maker, keep an updated planner, and generally see myself as pretty organized so this is really messing with me.

    1. How is your sleep quality? Has your doctor done some basic labs (simple issues like vitamin deficiencies can manifest this way)? I would always start with a medical check up for issues like this if they are new.

    2. It could just be stress, but I would have the dr run some bloodwork. The times I get like this have been when my thyroid medication is off or when I was pregnant.

    3. Perimenopause and/or just now realizing you have ADHD? I’ve been shocked by the number of women (myself included) who are only now getting diagnosed with ADHD in their late 30s/early 40s. In the interim, I’d focus on routines, looking up ‘exeutive function’ tips and seeing what might help, and trying to put as much as you can on auto pilot in your life. In terms of other things to look into – I take quercetin, L-Methylfolate, and fish oil which all seem to help.
      I’ve also accepted that my short term working memory has never been great and to stop expecting myself to ‘just remember’ things and to instead use systems or tools – calendar on my iPhone, notepad/pen to take notes, visual cues (put your phone or purse in the backseat with the pizza so you know you’ll remember those), timers for laundry so I don’t leave it in the machine, etc. Honestly most people have pretty poor short term memory and science backs me up here so I figure by working on my executive function coping strategies now I’ll just be better prepared for life.

    4. I’ve felt the same way and have discussed with several friends who are also struggling like this. Honestly, I think it’s a combination of age/perimenopause and some latent trauma from the last few years. We all endured so much transition from covid — especially those of us with kids — and my brain just feels scarred. Like I want to give everyone a 3-month sabbatical to just rest and be cared for so our brains can reset. Personally, I am taking this as a cue to lean way out on everything but anything critical for a bit because my mind just cannot deal.

    5. I’m like this when I have not been sleeping well. It’s like I’m disengaged from life. I can’t tell you where my mind is, but it’s not down here on earth where things are happening.

    6. Do whatever you can to get enough sleep, eat well, decrease stress, exercise. If you could have underlying depression/anxiety, think about what you are doing to try to help/treat that.

      Get a general well woman check up, and make sure your vitamins are all in a good place. Especially if you are vegan/vegetarian. Check your B12, thyroid hormone level.

      Perimenopause…. Maybe. If so, especially if you are starting to have sleep disruptions and hot flashes, ask your PCP and GYN about when/how to decide if HRT is right for you.

      Lists. Write things down. On paper. With your hands. Not on your phone. You will remember it better.
      Use one of those Alexa/google devices. Reminders everywhere!
      Paper calendars. Write it down with your hands.

      Yoga. Breathing. Mindfulness. Training yourself to be more present, less distracted.
      Cut down on the multi-tasking.
      Slow down.

    7. I was like that after covid, and still am to some extent. I so relate to leaving a drink somewhere and then forgetting about it. But instead of coming back to the forgotten coffee cup full of now cold coffee, I come back to a coffee puddle on the floor. See: cat.

  9. I’m creating a PTO / sick leave policy for my team.
    Do you have a certain number of sick days after which you need to bring in a doctors note? I would never require it for a few days, but if its more than 4 days off for example maybe asking for a doctors note is fair.
    This is not in the US, cost/insurance don’t come into it. My company is not large so there’s no clear policy right now. HR recommended after 2 days, but that seems soon.

    1. i know you say cost isn’t an issue, but how easy is it to get in to see a doctor? honestly, i think asking for a doctors note is a bit ridiculous. when i had covid i didnt go to the doctor, because there was nothing for the doctor to do. a bad cold can last over a week and again, nothing a doctor can do.

      1. +1, making your employees go to the doctor for a note every time they have a cold is absurd.

      2. Also consider whether there is a copay required for drs appointments, which isn’t exclusive to the US.

        1. +1

          It is very expensive, and hard, to get in to see most doctors.
          I have to wait 6 weeks to see my PCP at best.
          And it will cost me up to $150, with my insurance easily.

    2. Could you share the country? This varies a lot and could be influenced by either regulations or market practice/custom in your country.

    3. It depends on the industry. I can understand certain industries requiring a doctors note for several day but as a professional, if any employer required a doctors note for anything, I’d have less respect for my employer and be open to job searching. I’m not a child. Im a responsible dedicated professional who know when I can’t work and when I can. Also, I wfh so idk what a sick day is anymore!

      1. A sick day is when you tell your manager in the morning that you will not be online and then do not do any work that. No slack, no email, no meetings, no work, nothing.

    4. If you’re in Canada don’t do this because our medical system is already waaaaay overloaded and we don’t need to waste doctors time writing letters. Plus letters aren’t actually free, there is a few, the universal healthcare system funds CARE, not obnoxious employer paperwork.

    5. A doctor’s note is a stupid requirement. I can be laid up with a bad cold for days. There is zilch a doctor can do about that; what I need is to stay home and rest and let the worst of it pass!

          1. +1001

            Obviously if you’re getting into the land of disability or accommodations there may need to be documentation, but for regular old sick days, no.

            Or just have “one pot” of PTO for any reason.

          2. Oh no. One pot is the WORST. Unless you offer at least 30+ days of PTO a year it just hurts those who get sick.

    6. Agree with everyone else –. Don’t require doctors notes. you want to encourage people to maintain a relationship with her primary care doctor and not run to urgent care centers for one-off things, and most of us can’t get into our primary care doctor for weeks. Don’t make us waste time for this.

    7. I’m struggling to understand what the purpose of the doctor’s note would be, and why that purpose would be different if someone is out only one or two days versus four or more. Is it to prove that the person was actually sick, and therefore used their sick time appropriately? Is it to prove that they are well enough to go back to work (e.g., not contagious anymore)? Is it to prove that they are well enough to go back to work in a physically-demanding setting (e.g., had an injury and have been cleared by their doctor to lift 50lbs as necessary for their job)? For the first two conditions, that is an egregious misuse of going to the doctor in the first place if it isn’t something that requires a doctor’s attention (if I’m sick with a virus, I’m just going to stay in bed until I’m better; there’s nothing a doctor can do for me and there’s no point in going to the doctor). If I think I have strep or something, sure, I’ll go get a strep test and antibiotics if I need them, but what is a doctor’s note going to say? That I was diagnosed with a communicable disease (none of your business anyway) and I should be off work until I feel better? If I have food poisoning and I’m out for one day, are you trusting that I actually was sick, whereas if I had food poisoning and was out for four you don’t trust me unless I go to the doctor and get them to write a note confirming that I was sick? You didn’t say your team does construction or is a moving company, so it doesn’t sound like the last one applies.

      If your company doesn’t have a policy requiring doctor’s notes, there’s zero reason for you to have a requirement just for your team.

    8. This is irresponsible. I can almost always tell when an illness requires a doctor and when it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, it’s a waste of resources for me to visit the doctor just to get a note excusing me from work. An unnecessary doctor visit exposes me to germs in the doctor’s office (I once picked up a stomach virus during a visit for bronchitis) and exposes all the other people in the waiting room to my germs.

    9. I think I’m going to do a note for over a week.
      We also have generous PTO that people do take. Sick days are separate, and are when you say that morning that you will be out sick and completely offline that day.
      This doesn’t mean anyone has to go to the doctor every time they have a cold – every cold isn’t going to mean that you can’t WFH for a whole week.

      A bad cold could mean that you can’t come into the office for a week+, but I’m not sure if it means that when you’re working from home anyways. This company is very flexible around working hours on a day to day basis anyways.

      The “less respect for my employer and be open to job searching” would be a massive overreaction, given that the company is extremely chill in general and this is only after a full week unexpectedly off.

    10. When I last worked for a real job (I’m now self employed) I think we had to bring in a doctors note after a full week if we were going to take more days after that. It was combined PTO so sick and vacation were the same bank, which I hate, and the only real difference between taking sick and vacation was that the sick was unplanned. We did have people who abused it – there were rules about scheduling vacations so that there was ample coverage & people who didn’t get the days they wanted mostly because they didn’t plan ahead just took “sick” days which I found very uncool and unprofessional. I think the doctor’s note was meant to be a deterrent to that.

      I think after 2 weeks sick you had to apply for the state’s short term disability program so the doctor’s visit was inevitable at that point anyway.

    11. A doctor’s note is absolutely none of your business and infantilizes your employees.

      Personally, I prefer one bucket of PTO that can be used however I like. Not separate vacation and sick leave, but combined and a generous enough number of days (I have 40 per year) that I can be sick or take care of sick family without scrimping on vacation. I dislike a dedicated bucket of sick time that requires me to use or lose (or that pays out if not used, so my colleagues come to work sick so they can get the payout). It means I’m either going to lie about being sick so I can use the full time, or pretend I’m fine b/c I’ve burned through all my sick leave.

      1. I feel like more people came to work sick when we switched to one bucket of PTO because they wanted to save days for vacation

        1. Yeah I had a coworker throw up in the office once because he was sick but we only had a combined 15 days of PTO (sick and vacation) and he didn’t want to take a sick day.

          Our PTO also accrued so I had to go to work with the flu as I had only been at that job for a few weeks and hasn’t accrued enough PTO yet.

        2. Yeah, I think one bucket is way more likely to result in people coming to work sick.

    12. Does your company offer short-term disability? That should be the only time a doctor’s note is required – you could require that after 10 days someone either has a doctor’s note or goes on STD.

      Asking for a doctor’s note violates privacy and penalizes workers who should be resting. Also, does your country/company allow sick time to be used for taking care of others who are ill, such as children? Think through the implications of this and trust your employees to do the right thing (or, at least, that the abuse will be minor). If you can’t trust your employees then you have different problems.

      1. It doesn’t violate privacy. The doctor’s note follows HIPAA rules and just says so and so is unable to work due to illness and will be released to work on x date.

        1. That’s not true. If you are seeing a specialist who had to write your note, that outs you as having a cardiac condition, a rare infectious disease, or whatever.

          1. You can generally have a PCP write the note even for a condition that’s being treated by a specialist. Also HR is not supposed to share your medical info with your manager, team or anyone else.

          2. Replying to the response below, you want to involve two doctors so the patient can have some privacy??? Have you no common sense?

          3. All your doctors have access to your full chart anyway. I understand why involving two doctors might be a waste of time or money, but fail to see how it violates a patient’s privacy. Doctors should know the complete health history of their patients.

            Fwiw I think this is a totally standard thing for longer leaves/FMLA but 2 days seems burdensome.

    13. 2 days seems really soon. I’m in public higher ed in the US. We have essentially unlimited sick leave (I think it’s 100+ days per year) but need a doctors note if we use more than 5 days consecutively. Other than maternity leave, I’ve never used longer than that, though I do take a day pretty much any time I feel under the weather and I used all five days during Covid because I wanted to rest and let my body heal.

      1. Oh and I’m team separate buckets for sure. People with young kids in daycare or caregiving elderly parents or people with chronic illnesses shouldn’t be denied the ability to take vacations.

    1. Not too dressy bc it’s not made with anything glitzy, like sequins or beading or metallic thread designs.

    2. This would not be appropriate for a cocktail attire wedding in my area at all.

      It reads like a casual summer sundress!

      When is the wedding?
      Where is it?
      What time of day?

      1. That was my thought, this is the opposite of dressy and not at all cocktail. It’s very cute but not right for what you’re describing.

    3. It’s way to casual for any cocktail attire wedding I’ve ever been to. I’m in the northeastern US if that matters. This is more like for a brunch wedding or afternoon garden party wedding. Google “cocktail dress”. You won’t find this.

      1. Agreed. This would be way underdressed at any cocktail attire wedding I’ve been to

    4. Very cute, but it would be way underdressed at any cocktail attire wedding I have been to. It might work in a casual rural or mountain region, but not in an urban setting.

    5. I just went to a cocktail attire wedding and I’d say half the women were wearing something like this dress.

        1. Does she want to fit in or does she want to follow anon’s rules about what anon thinks cocktail attire is?

          1. This is a fashion site. A lot of women in their 20s don’t actually know what common fashion terms refer to. We talk about this all the time.

  10. is there some sort of formula for when it’s not worth putting money into a car anymore? I have a subaru with just over 100,000. the last three times its been serviced the garage kept it for days and i was several thousand dollars in. Trying to figure out if putting money into this car make sense…. i have a kid who will be 16 year this and my plan was to have this for a second car as he starts driving and get a new one but i’m wondering if that makes sense. the garage keeps assuring me that these are one offs and i shouldn’t need so much the next time but here i am with a loaner car and a $1500 estimate.

    1. My standard was when the repairs start being close to or more than the car is worth. For my last car, it was when my 23 year old car with 265k miles needed 3-4k worth of work. I deeply loved that car, but it wasn’t worth it anymore. I sold it for 2k to a mechanic.

      1. That’s basically my formula.

        OP, interesting that you’re having these issues with your Subaru. What year is yours? I have a 2013 Outback that has low mileage for its age (105K) but has had quite a few one-off problems lately. None as expensive as yours, though. We have been planning to keep it around for when our 14 y.o. is driving. I still think it’s probably worth it for that purpose, but if the repairs start getting pricier, I may have to reconsider.

    2. What model year? Subaru’s quality really tanked around 2011-2012, as confirmed by my independent Subie mechanic. My 2012 Subaru has had so many expensive issues. I am not paying for any more big repairs on it, because every time I fix it something else breaks within a few months. If it were a slightly older model I would be more willing to invest in major repairs to make it last.

    3. My dad’s rule is if a car cost more than 3000 in one year or over 2000 on average for the last 3 years that it was time to move on.

    4. Subarus are notorious workhorses, I’d keep putting $ into it. One-off maintenance between 1k and 3k is standard for what I’m used to with my subarus. My last one was 160k before I sold it (new parent, a couple of times it had failed to start in the winter, but was otherwise fine – I wasn’t willing to take that risk with an infant). My current one is 95k and going great.

    5. Eh, on a Subaru, you are just running into the big bills around the 100k mile mark on its maintenance schedule. If it is otherwise reliable, I’d hold on to it because it will be hard to find a used car for even $10k.

      1. +1

        You have a work horse car, that is worth maintaining and keeping for the long haul.

        Think how much you would pay for a new car? Doesn’t that make the repair payment seem more reasonable?

        That car should be driven well into the 200k+ miles and more if it is well maintained.

        Go to the online websites/bulletin boards for your car make/model and confirm each time the car place is recommending repairs that they are appropriate. Keep up with your owners manual

      2. +1

        All cars eventually need maintenance and parts replaced at some point. If it’s been a reliable ride until now and only has 100k miles then I would absolutely spend the money to maintain it rather than buying someone else’s used vehicle with mystery problems.

        If you were at the 250k+ miles range, then I would think more deeply about whether the frame, body engine, and transmission have enough left in them to justify pricey work.

      3. Eh, according to a comment above and experiences my friends have had with their Subarus made after 2010, they are not the “workhorses” they used to be. One of my friends bought a 2015 Subaru Outback that didn’t even make it to 75k miles without needing serious engine work. She traded it in rather than keep dealing with the problems. Not all Subarus can make it to 200k miles just because someone’s 1999 Subaru is still running. Car manufacturers across the board are cheaping out on parts as vehicles get more complicated, and thus require more parts to build, and that hugely affects longevity of vehicles.

    6. Our limit for repairs on older cars is basically that if we have to spend more than the Blue Book value of the car across multiple repairs (one is not a big deal; two is a consideration; more than two is a clear sign) within a 12 month period to keep it running, it’s time to buy a new car. I’ll spend up to the KBB value once to keep something going, but then if there’s another major repair (and I’m talking repair, not maintenance, like new tires, brakes, etc.) within 12 months – it’s time to cut our losses.

      We came to this threshold via difficult experience, trying to keep first one older car, then another older car, going just because we hate buying cars and wanted to avoid it as long as possible. But we ended up spending so much on the repairs – that either didn’t work, or just fixed one major problem when several were present – that we depleted the fund we intended to use as a car down payment, and so then when we inevitably had to go get a different car, instead of paying 50% down as we planned, we were only able to put down a fraction of that. After this happened twice, we wised up. It’s not worth it to put $7k over 12 months into a car that’s only worth $3,000 and keeps breaking down. Which I did, at one point, and regretted.

      Cars are just not meant to last forever, and that’s it, and that’s all. Build quality seems wildly variant these days even with “reliable” brands. My grandfather drove the same 1979 Cadillac Eldorado from the day he bought it new until he passed in 2001 and that car purred like a kitten until the day he died. They don’t make them like that any more.

      And as a mom of a teenage driver, let me tell you – you don’t want your kid roaming the world in an unreliable vehicle. Even though we have cell phones now. Having them drive by themselves is scary enough; having them drive a vehicle that may leave them stranded on the side of the road somewhere is another level of anxiety that I am telling you, you do not need. I would trade in the Subaru on something else. Totally understand the desire to save the older car for the kid, but I would not feel comfortable putting a new driver behind the wheel of a car that’s had a bunch of expensive problems in the recent past.

    7. Assuming these are routine maintenance things that crop up with any car with 100k miles, it depends on your tolerance for dealing with repairs. It’s taking longer and costing more to repair cars over the last few years and I don’t see that improving any time soon. But it’s also more difficult and expensive to buy a new car. I’m of the drive it into the ground school of thought, but at some point the value of your time tips the scales.

    8. I looked at this recently and determined there is no objective formula, but generally you’re looking at cost (current vehicle compared to new), safety/features, and reliability (which is a function of amount of time you have to deal with repairs and how bad it would be if it broke down for you because you are often far from home). Only you can judge how to weigh these factors. At some point cost of repairs, unreliability, and safety/features of a newer car will outweigh the cost of getting a newer car.

    9. First, I’d check with another garage. Second, I balance my ability to afford the lump sum cost of the repair(s) with my ability to afford a new car with a loan. I typically will get rid of a car when it starts costing me $500 here, $1,000 there, etc. Anything over $2,000 at one time, I’m probably going to put that money toward a new car payment.

  11. Anon for this because it would totally out me. I get this way if I am stressed by my work load/schedule, or, as noted above, of sleep quality is poor. I am absent minded though. During law school, I lost my car for several days, having forgotten when I last used it or whether it was for school, crew, or work. In my defense, I would add that there was no parking lot or garage for school or work, and my apartment was downtown and had no parking. So where I parked was pretty random. More recently, I misplaced my makeup bag and blood pressure meds for three days. Episodes of this nature are always an alert to examine my life and see where the stress is, and to try to handle it better. Or maybe just get through it.

    1. Thank you for this. I do feel like I’m too stressed, and I’m not really sure how to fix it. The one obvious thing is that I truly believe my job is “too big” for me, at this point in my life, but because of benefits and other reasons, I feel like I have to keep at it.

        1. I’m kind of wondering if this is my college friend who lost her car for days (and later went to law school:)

      1. Law school rower who lost car for multiple days is pretty unusual. Eye roll right back at you.

      2. Second to the eye roll, especially when she later tries to clarify who is she to the poster wondering if it’s her friend!

  12. PSA for my fellow hot flash sufferers: I got the Embr Wave II last week after some research and discovering I could use FSA funds for it. It helps! I’m able to interrupt and calm a flash with it, and the sleep setting has made a huge difference for me. I didn’t realize how bad my sleep had been until I wore it the first night and didn’t wake up until my alarm went off in the morning. I’d gotten so used to waking up multiple times in the night to throw off covers (or pull them back on after I’d cooled off) that I had forgotten what uninterrupted sleep feels like.

    It isn’t perfect, and it’s not attractive, but I’m at least 80% happier than I was a week ago. Highly recommend!

    1. Thanks for sharing this!

      I was starting HRT recently before learning I have high risk for breast cancer and had to stop HRT. So now I’m totally depressed because I am losing hope my sleep/hot flashes will improve.

      I have never heard of this. From my quick read, do you find it uncomfortable to wear, as I understand at night you have to keep your arm uncovered so it doesn’t “heat up” too much? In winter I love snuggling under the covers so it seems weird to have to keep your arm out/exposed.

      1. Not the OP and I don’t have hot flashes yet (46 so they’re coming) but for anyone who sleeps hot or needs a cooler sleep environment than their spouse, I have found the Chilipad so helpful. I have the cheapest one, which is not cheap, and it works very well.

      2. I have one (I’m a throw money at a problem kind of person) and I didn’t love it. I don’t know that “having your arm uncovered” makes any difference with it’s use. It’s on your wrist like a watch. It helps, but honestly a fan helps more.

        I’m a BC survivor so I can’t use HRT either and totally feel you on the issues with sleep, etc. Effexor has helped and there are several other prescriptions that can help off-label. Definitely check with your doc.

        1. Thank you for sharing this.

          My GYN expert in menopause, sadly, wont even meet with me after she told me to stop my HRT when she heard about my high risk (mychart message…). I have a follow-up appointment with her Nurse, and she just emailed me a list of non-HRT alternatives for me to just pick one… on my own. No advice from the doctor. It’s just terrible when a doctor abandons you.

          I was reading about Effexor, and had thought about it. But I heard it can make restless legs worse, which I have. I don’t want to replace one sleep problem with another. I wish I had a doctor to talk to. It took me 9 months to get in to see this one…

          1. For restless legs, the drugs work great, but I am trying to avoid taking more medicines. Also, because restless legs that run in my family, slowly get worse over time when you treat it aggressively with meds, and you need to use more/different meds. This is called augmentation. It happened to my Mom. So I want to put off the big meds as long as possible.

            But it is well known that having low iron makes restless legs worse. You need to keep your ferritin (iron stores) above 50 for sure, but about 75 is safer. For me, my restless legs went wild when perimenopausal bleeding was insane and I was bleeding like a waterfall. So I take iron daily, and keep track of my ferritin over time. I always check my ferritin if my restless legs are getting worse.

            Just simple leg stretching in the evening (when restless legs are typically the worst) can help. Look up the standing Calf Stretch, leaning against the wall. Do that for a minute or two before bed or after dinner… it really works.

            Very good meds for restless legs include gabapentin, opioids, and the class of medicines called dopamine agonists (but those are the worst ones for causing augmentation).

          2. What is it with these doctors!!! It’s our RISK to take or not take. Not their risk! Jerks!

      3. Pretty sure I had my wrist between two pillows all night last night and it was fine. I definitely have not done anything to ensure that my arm was out.

        1. Maybe not for you. For my Mom they lasted many years. They last on average, for 7 years, and some women have them for long after a decade.

          Perimenopausal symptoms are incredibly variable from woman to woman, which can make them more challenging. And I think it is why women are not actually the best supporters of other women who have symptoms…… About 1/3 of women claim to not have any, or they are mild enough (or modulated by taking exogenous hormones) that they do not cause complaint. 1/3 of women have more mild/moderate symptoms. 1/3 of women have severe symptoms. My Mom had terrible symptoms, and didn’t complain about them but I saw her…. ugh. It took years before she found a doctor that would start her on HRT. But she died of cancer not long after, and now my cancer risk is so high HRT isn’t an option. And the non-HRT options…. are not great.

          Not sleeping for 7+ years? It’s enough to make you crazy, if the hormonal changes of perimenopausal years haven’t already!

    2. I haven’t tried it, but the blogger at Wardrobe Oxygen has written about. She really likes it.

  13. Hi all! I’m on the board for an NYC-based non-profit going through an executive director transition. We are starting the search process now. Any recommendations for non-profit executive director recruiters? I’m in the private sector professionally, so I have no familiarity with non-profit recruiters. Note our annual budget only runs around the single digit millions, so we are cost-conscious, but care a lot about getting the right fit.

    Any other suggestions for how to handle the transition process as a board member would be very welcome!

    1. What kind of non-profit is it? Ideally you want a search firm, and to some extent, they specialize by sector. I work for a large non-profit arts organization in NYC, and we just used and had a good experience with Arts Consulting Group, but they are very focused on the arts. The current ED should ask leaders of peer nonprofits who they recommend. Even if your budget is in the low millions, it is reasonable to hire a search firm for the top job.

      1. We’re in victim services. Would love to know if you happen to know any search firms in this area!

  14. Hi all! I’m on the board of an NYC non-profit going through an executive director transition. We’re just starting the search process now for a new executive director. Wondering if anyone has recommendations for non-profit executive director recruiters/search firms? Organization annual budget is in the single digit millions so we are cost conscious, but will prioritize the right fit.

    Also would welcome any advice on how to handle the executive director transition as a board member.

    1. Check their website for what they offer near you – they have roughly 48 hour PCR tests and roughly 2 hour Rapid-NAAT tests, but not all locations have both options. You can book an appointment online. When I did the 2-hour ones, I got my results in roughly 2 hours, but my first test was inconclusive, and I had to book a whole new appointment to do it again. But the second one worked within 2 hours. So YMMV.

  15. Would anyone have any idea of why I get weird muscle cramps, especially in my feet? It started when I was pregnant but I am years out at this point. I drink enough water. I’ve tried electrolytes and magnesium. Are these kinds of cramps associated with anything else I should look into?

    1. I would check in with your doctor. Sounds like you need a good examination. Think about what seems to trigger them, if anything makes them better or worse, and if you have any additional symptoms with them (ex. numbness, weakness, pins and needles).

      1. And if your primary care doctor cannot figure it out, see a podiatrist (foot specialist).

    2. I get these when I am dehydrated and low on potassium – ie especially after cycling on a long day. Eating a banana and drinking a full pint of water will resolve.

      I also get them on the day after wearing high heels, whichI think is just from overuse on my feet which are not used to heels anymore.

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