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Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices.Sales of note for 9.19.24
- Nordstrom – Beauty deals through September, and cardmembers earn 3x the points (ends 9/22)
- Ann Taylor – Extra 30% off sale
- Banana Republic Factory – 50% off everything + extra 20% off
- Boden – 15% off new styles
- Eloquii – Extra 50% off sale
- J.Crew – 50% off select styles — and 9/19 only, 50% off the cashmere wrap
- J.Crew Factory – Up to 60% off everything + 50% off sale with code
- Lo & Sons – Warehouse sale, up to 70% off
- M.M.LaFleur – Save 25% sitewide
- Neiman Marcus – Friends & Family 25% off
- Rag & Bone – Friends & Family 25% off sitewide
- Spanx – Lots of workwear on sale, some up to 70% off
- Talbots – Anniversary event, 25% off your entire purchase — Free shipping, no minimum, 9/19 only
- Target – Car-seat trade-in event through 9/28 — bring in an old car seat to get a 20% discount on other baby/toddler stuff.
- Tuckernuck – Friends & Family Sale – get 20%-30% off orders (ends 9/19).
- White House Black Market – 40% off select styles
And some of our latest threadjacks here at Corporette (reader questions and commentary) — see more here!
Some of our latest threadjacks include:
- What to say to friends and family who threaten to not vote?
- What boots do you expect to wear this fall and winter?
- What beauty treatments do you do on a regular basis to look polished?
- Can I skip the annual family event my workplace holds, even if I'm a manager?
- What small steps can I take today to get myself a little more “together” and not feel so frazzled all of the time?
- The oldest daughter is America's social safety net — change my mind…
- What have you lost your taste for as you've aged?
- Tell me about your favorite adventure travels…
AIMS
Like the color, the pants I am not sure. Maybe it’s the blouse they paired it with — I’m so overwhelmed by the sleeves that it’s a bit hard to focus on anything else. Probably with a a dark green, cowlneck sweater it would be a different story.
stc
Those are indeed, crazy sleeves.
AN
The pants would be ok for tall ladies but THAT blouse!! Add mutton leg sleeves and you could probably star As Mrs March in a Little Women remake!!
RR
I do not understand the sizing at all. What size is 46/31??
RR
I googled. Apparently a 46 is equivalent to a U.S. size 12? I love these pants–if I could figure out what sizes they come in.
L
31 is the waist.
RR
Then what is 46? Google seemed to suggest that was the Italian size, and equivalent to a 12.
anon
46 = the european sizing (you can google for a size conversion chart), 31 = the waist size in inches
RR
Okay, so that makes sense. Thanks!
Ru
I love the styling. Wish I could get away with such a posh outfit.
L
I loooooooooooove these pants. I would wear them with a sleek sweater or something…definitely not so much volume on top!
houda
Too dramatic for me… and the price is still above average for what I am wiling to spend on pants
Anonymous
I agree.
Houda, how was your surf outing with your company?
houda
Ow thanks so much for remembering.
The funniest thing happened: My boss called me on saturday saying she will be a bit late for lunch and I told her no you’re mixing the dates; it’s tomorrow.
Turned out the outing was for saturday and I thought it was on sunday. I missed the surf session. But the good news is that the senior managers did not go either so I didn’t miss much.
Meanwhile, I decided to save up for decent beach/ appropriate gear.
JB
Sorry for the detour, but does anyone have any tips on the fit of Magaschoni dresses? Am thinking of ordering off the website but it says that sale items are final (boo). Like the dress a lot, though.
rg
In my experience, Magaschoni fits larger than their sizing charts would suggest, and also seems to be for taller people (though I’m pretty short).
Parisienne
These pants would be perfect in a warmer part of the country where you can wear silk/linen all year round. Not here. I do question the length of the pants though….should they entirely cover the shoes as pictured here? I don’t think so.
I do like the idea of gray pants. This year’s “color combination” seems to be black and gray.
MelD
The length looks fine as they appear to be off the ground somewhat. I think they have a very wide leg that covers most of the foot, and that’s not going to change with a shorter length. It will probably look awkward if it is much shorter.
ERP
I heart this high fashion look.
anon for this from open thread
I just wanted to say thank you for all your comments on the open thread about my long commute and family/work balance struggles. I think I am going to ask them about changing my hours. I appreciate you helping me get up the nerve to ask.
Oh and about my husband helping out, he helps out A LOT, so that isn’t really too much of an issue. He is new to being a dad (my daughter is from relationship prior to him, from a guy who has never been a father to my child) and he is wonderful, he takes her to school, picks her up, takes her to sports, helps with her homework, etc.. My real issue is that I want to participate in some of those activities because I miss being there for her and being able to do some of the things I used to do. Thank you for the crock pot suggestions too, I think I will have to get one of those!
anon for this from open thread
oh, and as for the comments on commuting. I agree, it would be better to be closer to work, however this job I have currently is temporary, so I don’t really want to move my whole family for a temporary job. Secondly, a big problem in the city I live in is public school districts are only good in a few places, and I cannot afford private school. Right now my daughter is in a wonderful public school with lots of friends and high test scores. The only decent schools around my work are private and since I only make 40K a year I simply cannot afford them.
My goal is to eventually get a job close to home though.
nonA
1. Don’t feel that you have to justify your life choices to commenters who obviously only know a few facts.
2. Best of luck with the upcoming conversation – be firm, plan out what you want to say, and stick to your guns!
TK1
I agree with nonA, everyone jumped on your poor husband when you didn’t say he wasn’t helpful it was just assumed and people tend to forget that there are other reasons to choose where to live besides the commuting time. I have a long commute for all the same reasons, but the drive is worth having a home I can afford, with a nice neighborhood and good schools!
Oh and crock pots rock!
a lawyer
Be ready for the attitude of “you knew about this commute before you took the job.” It sounds like you are in a difficult situation–working on a project you started, free to the employer, but it may be difficult to really feel like you are part of the team because they are unwilling to invest in you long-term.
I had a similar situation when working for legal services in law school. They knew I was part time and not staying in the city after law school. They rarely had much work for me to do and I felt a complete afterthought the days I was there. (I can sympathize with them now that I am a very busy practicing lawyer.)
You definitely want to impress them as dedicated and hard working, in order to get a good reference. I frankly gets lot more real work done at home than at the office due to interruptions — pesky clients :), but be sure the higher ups know what you are doing and that you are really getting work done at home. A temporary position is just a tough one to handle.
Good luck
a lawyer
“frankly get” ! I’m taking a day off work today!
anon
Just a quick celebratory note to share with others who had voiced similar concerns–Gap has FINALLY gotten the favorite tees back the way they used to be.
For the first time in more than a year, I bought a white t-shirt that isn’t transparent, ran consistent in size, and wasn’t down to my knees.
I thought this day would never come!
Anon
Ha ha! I’m wearing my Gap Ts from two seasons ago as maternity wear, because they are that ludicrously long.
jcb
Good to know! I have been looking for a not-transparent work-appropriate layering tee for ages. Thanks.
skippy pea
Love the styling! The blouse is gorg! Such a huge statement!
nonA
Does anyone have recommendations for a good pair of tweed pants in a more affordable (under $100) price range? I’ve had them on my wish list for a while, but haven’t found any pairs I really like that aren’t out of my current pricing limits.
Bonnie
Ann Taylor has a few different pairs on sale now for about $70.
E
Slightly more expensive, but I got a cute pair of wideleg wool trousers from Boden that are pretty nice.
SF Bay Associate
Are they lined? I’m in the lined-pants-only camp.
bizzy
Do they run true to size? In my experience, Boden pants run small. And yes, I’m mindful of the UK/US size difference. I haven’t ordered pants from them since they switched to US sizing, and I’m curious.
E
Lined, but only to knee. It’s a little weird, but the reason I like lined pants is in the waist/hip/butt area, so it works.
Um, maybe a little small, but not terribly. Not too much smaller than banana or classiques entier. About the same, really.
Legally Brunette
Try Classiques Entier pants from Nordstrom – on sale, you can get them for about $80, and quality is wonderful. You can also try the Halogen line at Nordstrom for lower quality tweed — pants run about $50 on sale.
LMo
My Theory skirt (as a new law grad, it is part of the most expensive outfit I own, and my admittedly silly pride and joy), developed a 2-inch mystery rip down the back.
Not on the seam, the suit is about 6 months old, and due to whatever law of nature governs these things, I did not notice the rip until someone at work pointed it out this morning.
SO. SAD.
surrounded by lawyers
My comment on this would be what Parisienne wrote below. Just making sure you see it as a response to your sadness. You had reason to expect better, and therefore you might (should, I say) be able to return the skirt.
legalchef
Take it to a tailor. A good one. Call up Bloomies or Saks and see where they refer people. See if they think it is fixable. My fiance once got a rip in the sleeve of a reaaaaally expensive suit (also not on the seam) and did just that, and they fixed it to the point where unless you knew it was there, you wouldn’t see it.
LMo
Thanks everyone. I’m kind of a rough and tumble type so I probably caught it on something without realizing. Calling up Bloomies for a referral is a good idea, since I bought it there. I’ll do that today.
I feel better. :)
SF Bay Associate
Do you still have your receipt? March right back to Bloomie’s and say the product is defective, and that you want a replacement skirt, or a giftcard for the amount you paid. Be very polite, be very respectful, but don’t move off the position. Ask to speak to a manager when the sales associate turns you down. Point out you are an up and coming lawyer and will be wardrobing, which you would like to do at Bloomies, but can only consider it if they stand behind their products. Again, say this politely. This will be especially effective if you a) paid full price or b) are a major Bloomie’s shopper (bonus points for having a Bloomie’s card).
Things like this are also why I try to buy almost everything I own at Nordstrom. They’d take it back with a smile.
LMo
I wish I had it! I usually keep them but moved recently and got rid of a bunch of receipts I didn’t think I’d need. I paid cash, too, so they can’t look up my card. Good to know that this is a strategy I can use in the future, though…
SF Bay Associate
A trick I learned from working too long in retail – keep all clothing/housewares/electronics receipts in an annual, alphabetized plastic accordion folder from an office supply store. Pretty much everything except food (restaurants or groceries) and gas goes in the file. I have one for every year, so I can always find the receipt for every product I own, should the product turn out to be defective or otherwise need to be returned. There is a huge difference between having a receipt and not having one when trying to get good customer service.
Additional benefits: this helps me be more cognizant of my purchases (strangely, the “N” slot is always very, very full of Nordstrom receipts, but many of them are return slips, I swear). And if I realize I went overboard with purchases one month, I can easily look through my receipts and decide what (new, tags-on) purchases need to go back, ensuring I get credit in the original form of payment for the amount I paid.
LMo
Simple and sounds much more effective than my usual method of shoving all of my receipts for the year into one large envelope. Thanks for the tips, I will be using them!
Now if only I could find what ripped my skirt so I can stay far away from that mistake…
Ru
SF Bay Associate – that is a GREAT IDEA! I’m going to copy you.
Anon
If you have a Theory store in the area, take it there. If I am remembering correctly, they fixed a tear on a Theory skirt of mine for free.
M
same thing happened to my Theory skirt, although I wore it for three yrs. I did move between sizes in it, so the fabric just might have stretched out after a while.
Anonymous
If it’s not near a seam, it sounds like you might have ripped it on something. I’d still try taking it to the store, but it probably isn’t a defect. It should be easy enough for a competent tailor to fix, though.
Anon
Do you take public transit to work? Sometimes the plastic chairs get cracks and can snag fabric.
Parisienne
Sounds like a weird defect in the fabric, and you should be able to return it to the store and get your money back or an exchange. Fabric should last for eons and should not fall apart. Because you said “suit” I am assuming it is not a sheer fabric. On the other hand, a two-inch tear just might be repairable.
L
Quick rant: I went out to get lunch and some guy stopped me to ask me for directions (which I’m happy to give). It turned out he was walking the same direction as me, so asked me what I did then spent the next two blocks telling me I look two young to be a lawyer. Why do people (or is it just men?) insist on doing this? Do they think it comes off as complementary?
MsZ
I hate this! To make matters worse, it seems to happen most often in airports, which makes me suspect the men are skeevy road warriors, up to no good. I think they thing they are complimenting us as youthful and “sweet” (I get that a lot – “you’re too sweet to be a prosecutor!” Sir, you just met me.) but I get offended.
AIMS
It’s annoying, I agree, but I think one day I will look back & wish someone did think I was too young to be a lawyer, so I try to take it all in stride. Of course, there is a difference between those who are being somewhat sincere (if wholly misguided) in expressing this opinion, and those who are just trying to hit on you & looking to make stupid, pointless conversation.
What I find annoying is strangers who insist on talking to you just b/c you are walking in the same direction when you’re clearly not interested. Whether they believe I am a lawyer is besides the point.
L
That’s a good point. It’s possible this encounter rubbed me the wrong way because I got the impression he was trying to hit on me and because I thought I was clearly uninterested in making conversation as much as anything. But I’m kind of sleep deprived today too, so I might just be being bitchy. :-)
Anon
Yes, and I would take it as such!
9999999
I don’t get you. people tell me this all the time and I LOVE IT!! I don’t want to look like some 30 something boring biglaw lawyer. I love that apparently I do not.
I wouldn’t take any offense, but take it as a compliment. You still got your young looks, and probably some style that sets you apart from the boring grey on grey with granny heels lawyers out there.
Ballerina girl
Er, nothing wrong with being a 30 something big law lawyer and looking like it, friend.
E
Also frustrating when you are the surgeon on call, and when you consent someone for an operation and they comment on your youth. Especially annoying when the person is not elderly (I mean, I bet I DO look young to an 80 year old, or at the very least not their picture of a surgeon)
I’m not sure if I’m more sensitive or what, but I think I hear it more often from men than women. I take offense because I think it’s because some one is feeling a little intimidated and is trying to take back a little power, in a way that they wouldn’t do if I was a man.
If it were about my skin regimen, it’d be no big deal, but I think gender is as important in this interaction as age.
Anonymous
Yeah, I just realized that it’s not the fact that I look young that bothers me, but that they say I’m too young to be a member of my profession. Looking young is a compliment. Looking too young to be a surgeon/lawyer/whatever implies that you don’t seem competent, and that’s an insult.
surrounded by lawyers
Yep. I don’t think this is a trivial matter, and I don’t think it’s a case of taking a compliment the wrong way. When someone remarks that you look like you don’t belong where you are (professionally), it’s hard not to take it as an entree into treating you accordingly. With or without the hitting-on act accompanying.
I recently presented on a “virtual” speakers’ panel, where all the presentations and Q & A were done by online posting. To my knowledge, nobody whom I knew in real life participated. I noticed how much more comfortable I felt talking about my work and answering questions when nobody could comment on my appearance at all. Sad that I felt most authoritative when no one could see me.
L
Yeah, this guy was only 6 years older than me (which I know because he insisted on comparing ages), so it wasn’t a generational difference between us or anything like that. It did end up coming off as a bit of a power play, possibly as a prerequisite to hitting on me, which I found a bit creepy. Or am I overthinking, I don’t know.
anon - chi
Take this for what it’s worth, but I have a gut feeling that it’s different when you are a patient consenting to surgery (or consenting for a loved one). Unlike the creepy guy hitting on the OP, there the commenter is in a super vulnerable position and might be really scared or looking for comfort. It’s not that they really think you don’t know what you’re doing because you look so young, but I can totally relate to someone mentioning how young their surgeon looks. I bet I would make the same comment, even though I am in my 20s and look young myself, but it would certainly be a sign of my nervousness and I think I would say the same thing to a young-looking male surgeon in the same situation.
anonymous
Don’t assume this wouldn’t happen to a man.
Professional acceptance is a problem for young looking men, and is often phrased much, much more bluntly.
AnonAnonAnon
@E, the surgeon: It’s not about “taking back power” and feeling intimidated. God complex much? It’s a genuine concern that the client/patient is putting his/her LIFE in the hands of someone inexperienced. I don’t care how old you are in reality, even a 20 year old can come across as competent and confident and will not look too young. If people are saying you look too young, then you are not dressing or behaving in a way that instills some assurance that you know what you’re doing in them.
Another Laura
E and all, I know that being taken seriously is a problem and this antecdote isn’t meant to make light of the problem.
My father-in-law was a neurosurgeon and about 45 years ago he was a baby-faced guy. His patient was the 9yo daughter of an Alaskan fisherman who was med-evac’d in for surgery after falling into the hold of a boat. The fisherman cross-examined FIL for a good 20 minutes as he was certain that FIL was not old enough to be a neurosurgeon. The girl survived and did well, and the fisherman would send boxes of crab every year. FIL attended the girl’s wedding. 45 years later the story still gets told.
So, yeah, looking young is a problem and guys get it too. Although they probably don’t get hit on in the process…
Anonymous
This annoys me too. I’ve been practicing for 5 years and I look the age of a college student. I dress and do everything I can to look older, so that I’ll be treated with confidence and respect by my clients and colleagues. It just makes me feel totally defeated when someone says “Oh my gosh, how can you be a lawyer? You look like you’re 19!”
I’ll probably appreciate this when I’m 50 and look 35, but not now. I usually just respond by saying “oh, I wear really good sunscreen!” and blow it off.
Samantha
Honestly, I can say that I’ve been guilty of a similar remark. :) It was when I went to my tailor to get pants hemmed, and my tailor wasn’t in, but her niece was. She is tiny, I hadn’t met her before and when she said she could measure me for the alterations I felt a little doubtful. She looked not just youthful but really child-like. I thought she might be in middle school.
As she started measuring me for leg length, I decided to bite the bullet and said something about her looking very young, and shouldn’t she be in school. She said she was 23. I apologized profusely (but was reassured somewhat that it wasn’t child labor going into my alterations!) and tried to turn it into a compliment. I hope she wasn’t offended, but she must get that a lot. She really looked like a little girl and I was unsure if she could do the job or if I should come back when her aunt was in.
Anonymous
This annoys me too. I’ve been practicing for 5 years and I look the age of a college student. I dress and do everything I can to look older, so that I’ll be treated with confidence and respect by my clients and colleagues. It just makes me feel totally defeated when someone says “Oh my gosh, how can you be a lawyer? You look like you’re 19!” It’s not just men for me, but random people, like the medical assistant at my doctor’s office recently.
I’ll probably appreciate this when I’m 50 and look 35, but not now. I usually just respond by saying “oh, I wear really good sunscreen!” and blow it off.
Ugh
I think a lot of you need to stop complaining and being so uptight. It’s not a power struggle or an insult. It’s someone’s opinion that is meant to be nice and not demeaning.
Get over yourselves and off your power trip high horses where you dont have time to talk to someone walking in your direction or think it’s sooo offensive someone thinks your young. I hear all the little violins playing their sorrowful songs for you.
L
Hey now, I’m not sitting around feeling sorry for myself. It was a couple of paragraphs on a place where professional women talk about the issues that present themselves in their careers, and interactions between genders is a big part of that.
Ugh
And I think that I, as a professional woman, can alsomake the comment that those who complain about this stuff come across as self-absorbed and bitchy and make me, the friendly professional woman who likes to chat with strangers when going in the same direction, a bad rap as bitchy as well.
L
To be fair, I like to talk to strangers too, usually – I was happy to give directions and tell him about the area (he was new to town). I got uncomfortable when it turned to a conversation about my appearance. And I don’t think it will give you a bad rap – I doubt he left the conversation with any inkling I found it annoying. Instead, I came here and posted about it anonymously in a mostly (all?) women space. You’re safe from me, I think. Which maybe is irrelevant to you and yes, you do have the write to make your comment, but I’m not sure it’s fair to tar me with the brush of being “bitchy” just because I found a certain interaction irritating and mentioned it somewhere entirely different.
Rach
I don’t know. I’ve gotten this comment many times and sometimes it offends me and sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes it even feels like a compliment.
I think it feels offensive when I feel like the speaker is primarily saying it because of my gender and because they want to establish an early pattern of “talking down” to me that would only be acceptable (marginally) if they were my senior and “superior” in a way. So when it feels like a warning signal that THAT sort of conversation is coming, I find myself bristling. When its just a sort of compliment or even when it does feel gender based, but is said with a tone of respect, its really not a big deal. I think a lot of people say things without any offensive intent and this is one of them.
Anon
Actually, I think it can be a real issue, and one for women especially. I seriously doubt people are telling the 25-year-old looking man he looks to young to be a lawyer. I’ve gotten over the course of my career that I’m too “young” to be a lawyer, that I’m too “nice” and “warm” to be a lawyer, that I’m too “pretty” to be a lawyer, and that they can’t imagine someone who is such a great mother is also a lawyer, etc. All of these comments really have more to do with the speaker’s feeling that true femininity — however they define it — is incompatible with the profession. Which it’s not. Even if they think they are paying you a compliment, they aren’t.
Anonymous
Hey, I may look young, but at least I don’t sound like a bitter old hag. Get over yourself.
Anon
With a comment like that, probably best to avoid the topic of what you sound like….
anon - chi
Ditto Anon at 3:40. How about if you just skip the comments you find to be not worth your while and spare the rest of us your ad hominem attacks? They are especially grating coming from someone anonymous.
divaliscious11
That’s a bit harsh. Sometimes comments are complimentary, and sometimes they are cover for other forms of putting people down…
Some of us have experienced when it was clearly a compliment, and when not… for example, I can recall being a first year associate at biglaw, in the first year uniform (blue suit, white shirt, flesh colored hose and black mid-heel pump-probably why I rebel against such clothing structure – lol), in the conference room and being told I didn’t look like a lawyer… and I was more than certain it was because I was female, and on another occasion, it was stated, “She’s a lawyer, I’m sorry, I thought she was the lady at the door” ….who was the receptionist and the only other woman of color in the office (never mind that you couldn’t confuse us in a dark room). So go easy, maybe there was simply something there that didn’t come across in her post.
cbackson
I agree. In addition, it may not be put-down, but a comment that reflects the unconscious prejudice of the speaker. I work in an area of law that remains incredibly dominated by older men. Clients are often visibly shocked to meet me, and I get a lot of comments about my age. I’m 30, but I look much younger. I’ve never heard a similar comment made to a male colleague, and there are a number of young guys who work in the same field as I do.
annon
If it were a judge or a client commenting that you looked too young-then it would be cause for annoyance. But some random guy on the street, who probably thought that he was just making some flirtatious conversation–really, it’s not that serious.
Kaye
Yeah, he was just hitting on you. And acting like a jerk.
I get a different one: “Oh, you’re an engineer? You must be smart!” Um, what did you exect, do I look stupid or something?
Ru
That’s better than people NOT believing that I’m an engineer and am just loitering around in restricted areas for kicks and giggles.
AEK
Something similar just happened to me, for the first time ever. I walked into Brooks Brothers to return a sweater (I couldn’t justify more navy even though it was very cute), and one saleswoman said to me “You have such a baby face…You look like you could be in college!” and then asked me (apologetically) how old I was!
First, this was news to me, because I am in my early 30s and have NEVER been told I look young for my age. I have all sorts of spots and lines. Second, I was a little off-put by the term “baby face,” but otherwise, I have to say, I enjoyed it!
Admittedly this is different than the potentially-being-hit-on-unwelcomely scenario, in which case, any compliment can be annoying.
pjbhawaii
Having read all the replies thus far on this topic, I think . . . meh. Many of us have written about being depressed at work, or not even wanting to wake up and go to the job, being distressed by the conflict between being a good mother and a stand-up employee, or feeling bullied by co-workers or supervisors, feeling you are not doing well in a project, being exhausted, and other –in my mind at least — far more important issues.
You look too young to be an attorney, a surgeon, an engineer? Just by acknowledging you are that very thing, you’ve educated one more person. And really, when you get to my august age, (a thing right up there with cancer, death, and taxes, evidently) there are worse epithets than being told you look too young.
v
It’s not a zero-sum game. You can find the above annoying without trivializing any of the things you mentioned.
Anon Momma
Trick-or-Treating highlight: Taking my son to a neighbor’s door and being greeted by two strapping Spartans who (from the looks of it) take both their costumes and workouts very seriously. Yes, the husband was passing out candy at home, but that doesn’t mean momma can’t appreciate a) a good costume; and b) some nice biceps. :)))
Kaye
Nice :)
Amy H.
I think the cut of these pants is gorgeous, and I also love the styling. I would actually be considering buying these (though even at the sale price = enormous splurge for me), but I feel like the multi-colored tweed has too much of a pink cast. Also, silk/linen on me tends to = immediate mass of wrinkles around thigh area.
Halloween madness
This was new to me: a woman whose costume (at least the top half) consisted entirely of bodypaint. Just bodypaint. No bra, no pasties, nada. Just. Paint.
Wtf? Did I miss where this was okay? I’m still confused as to how she wasn’t arrested.
Lana
Apparently in a number of states (like New York), women — like men — can expose their nipples without violating anti-nudity laws. I think this is on the ballot in Massachusetts this election season.
http://dailycollegian.com/2010/10/17/the-right-to-bare-breasts/
divaliscious11
No comment on the subject – but when did the Collegian begin an online version? That’s awesome!
a former 5 college-r
Lana
No idea (and don’t know what it is). I just posted the link because it was the first relevant thing to appear on Google. I think ATL had an article on this recently, too.
divaliscious11
Thanks. The Daily Collegian is the student newspaper at UMASS-Amherst.
JAS
I like this style of pants on models but I feel it’s hard to pull off if you are not really tall. The color is nice too but I think the blouse is a bit much!
Anon
Quick threadjack: I’ve never owned rainboots before, but moved to DC this summer, where I hear they are a good investment for the winter months. Is there anything I need to know about buying rainboots? Can/do they just slip on over other shoes (and if so, do I want that)? Is taller always better? And how much should I spend? I feel entirely out of my element.
v
Be careful of the cheap $20 Target ones if you’re planning on doing any significant walking. The cheap rubber soles (which you can’t really wear over other shoes, IME, end up hurting your feet really quickly.
AIMS
They don’t usually slip on over other shoes; but are worn as you would reg. shoes.
I would say that spending a bit more is probably sound b/c the cheap rain boots are hard to walk in & start to fall apart quicker, whereas as nice pair will last you a lifetime.
Hunter is a classic brand & you can often find their boots for less on ebay, etc. ($115 for reg price pair, not on sale) Other somewhat less expensive brands that are good are tretorn or sperry.
And, as for taller being better — in my personal experience as a not so tall person, the tallest tall version is not necessary if you’re 5’4 or so (and I find the mid calf version to be personally more flattering), but the ankle rain boots are not too useful b/c you can’t really splash through puddles in them & the useful of the rainboot is thus seriously reduced.
Anonymous
It rains a lot in DC so rainboots are a good investment. Generally you can’t wear proper boots over other shoes, although they do make stretchy rubber shoe covers if that’s all you want. Having lived in DC for years, I’d say you want something that at least comes up to your calf, so you can walk though a puddle without getting wet. You can get good ones in the $50 range from Lands End, LL Bean, or similar stores. Target has lots of cute trendy ones, but these ones aren’t as supportive and will fall apart more quickly. Filene’s Basement also always has a good selection.
Anon
Very helpful. Thanks!
MelD
I have a pair from Kamik and I love them. They are much more comfortable than other brands I’ve owned and still reasonably priced. I like the taller versions as pants tend to stay in them better than the slightly shorter ones.
Questioner
I have a question that I’d just like to hear general thoughts on (I’m facing a similar issue and I think I know what my answer is, but I want to hear what others have to say about the topic).
If you were an associate at a small or mid-size law firm, and you were on a case with the (pretty real) prospect of a lengthy trial (maybe 2 months?) in a year or a year and a half from now (no trial date set yet), would you think at all about this trial as you made decisions about whether and when to start trying to get pregnant?
Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated.
Anonymous
I would not.
Ugh
Are you aware how much dates can change and get pushed back, sj, or settling occurs within 1 to 2 years. Definitely wouldn’t even consider it.
Anon
Nope. You have so little control over your fertility and your cases, it’s foolish to try to game it. I tried to time one of my pregnancies to avoid a particular deadline, and I both miscarried (got pregnant again, but then was due 6 months later) and the deadline got moved.
Anon
Personally, not for a “pretty real” prospect of a trial. In my experience, that will not turn into a trial. Also, keep in mind that trial dates get moved tons of times, so even if the trial happens, it probably won’t happen when you thought it did, meaning that planning around it becomes pretty rough. If you affirmatively want to TTC, that’s a whole lot of uncertainty to override something you want to do.
Jay
No, I would not. Cases settle on the eve of trial ALL THE TIME. There will never be a “perfect” time to have a baby, and there’s no guarantee of immediate success with pregnancy either. There will always be more career opportunities. As with anything, it’s all about choices and priorities and how much risk you’re willing to take.
Anonymous
Can’t recommend timing your preg, for the reasons stated above. Ducking Corporette eggs from the Warrior Chicks on this Board, but, (deep breath)…. That said, I *personally* couldn’t prepare for/attend a trial and be pregnant, but that’s just me. I’ve seen other women do it well, particularly a rock-star AUSA who was 9 months pregnant during a 3 week trial when I was a pregnant law clerk…. Pregnancy for me = Sick, sick, sick. Nauseous, weak, shaky. Sleepy ALL THE TIME. Awful sinus infections. Tearful, worried about getting fired for feeling unwell. I know women have fought hard for the right to not have pregnancy be considered a “disability,” but for each of my 2 pregnancies, I would’ve been a lot better off going part-time rather than hiding and feeling guilty, and ultimately running down my immune system and getting sicker…
Lawgirl
I’m Lawgirl, btw… didn’t mean to be “Anonymous.” :-)
Questioner
Interesting, I hadn’t thought about the health aspect. What would you have done, then, if you were staffed on a case that was going to trial? Asked to be resassigned? Postponed ttc? Or something else?
Anon
I wouldn’t worry about this unless it happens to you. I am NOT throwing eggs at poor Lawgirl who sounds like she had a terrible time, but this is not everyone’s experience of pregnancy. Just deal with it if it comes up, like you would if you got any other sickness.
Lawgirl
Yes, my pregnancies were all difficult. Other women I knew sucked it up, napped in the car on lunch, etc, but I’d just get sicker and sicker the harder I pressed. Ugh. Hate to think about it again :-/ Looking back, if I were preg and on a trial team, I’d ask to be part of the “back-office” team, the one that stays at the mothership/headquarters, arming the trial warriors with daily briefs, memos, research, etc — motions in limine, jury instructions, JMOLs, etc. Those folks are pretty important, IMHO; the unsung trial heroes…
Forestgirl
Thanks Lawgirl, that’s helpful to think about as an alternative in the happy event that things work out on the ttc front.
anon
I’m also an associate in a small law firm. I don’t have children (yet) so feel free to take this with a grain of salt. But personally, I wouldn’t take the trial into account, especially 12-18 months out. In my experience, trials are perhaps the least predictable part of practice, and there is absolutely zero guarantees that the trial will happen. It might settle six months or three days beforehand. The other side might move for a later trial date. Who knows. At the same time, a new case could come in the door with a trial date right when you’re about to have a baby. You can’t predict these things.
So, I say get your baby-making on, if you want a baby. =)
Anonymous
I would not. There’s never a “perfect” time to have a baby and if you start trying to wait for a perfect time, you’ll run out of eggs first :). Whenever you have your baby, you’ll be able to make your career work too.
JessC
Post-Halloween (just for fun) threadjack:
What did everyone go as? Be it for an office party, social party, or just trick or treating…
For my part, I was a peacock. LOVED my costume. Got a ton of compliments. Between going to a huge charity party (2,000+ attendees) in my city and passing out candy to the trick or treaters, I saw exactly 4 other peacocks and we all looked very different.
Anonymous
Love the pants, although they look like they might be a little too high-waisted for those with boo-tay.
E
What. The. Clown.
Anonymous
I thought the model’s makeup/pose made her look clownish too! Glad I’m not the only one!
I would almost rather have seen these pants on a mannequin instead…
dw
(laughs)
Worth reading through all of these comments just to get to this one.
Hilar-ity.
kng
I’d love to hear some realistic styling ideas for these pants. i have completely identical pants as far as the cut (very voluminous wide leg) and type of tweed but mine are a camel hue. they are a heavy tweed with silk lining, i bought them 2 years ago at the limited in the middle of july for $7 yes SEVEN DOLLARS! marked down from $200+. the benefits of shopping for winter clothes in summer heat… granted they were a size 4 and i’m more a 0/2, but hey!
I finally took them to my tailor, it felt right since camel and pants are having a moment, and just got them back last week and have worn them twice so far: 1. fitted deep purple ruched turtleneck and 2. cropped bright cardigan with short sleeves + a long sleeve tee underneath. other ideas?
Elysian
This model looks like she’s a circus performer – one of the people on stilts.
Not a work look I’d sport…