Weekend Open Thread
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I authored a series of articles for a professional journal. The editor would like a headshot of me for publicity material. Does anyone have any recommendations for getting a proper photograph–everything from wardrobe to hair and makeup? Thanks. Happy Weekend!
I think you could probably consult some of the older posts on firm photos for websites, etc., but I would also recommend just looking at faculty photos at some law schools/grad schools and figuring out what you like/dislike in the pictures and going from there. I recall doing this when I was bored in class and some were definitely great while others were awful. I think a confident smile never hurts, and a bit of extra make up always looks good in pictures.
Congratulations on your acheivement!
Tilt your chin down ever so slightly. I do this in every photo that I take–it prevents double chin.
I used to be responsible for getting head shots of our C-suite executives when I worked in my last Corporate America job. Here was the advice I used to give our execs going to their photo shoots:
– Don’t wear a shirt that is black, white, or patterned (dots, stripes, paisley, etc.). Photographers have an easier time lighting you and getting a good “bounce” with the flash if you’re not wearing black or white. Most patterns just look generally terrible in photos. Medium blue is a great color for photos. Medium shades of green can work. Taupe, medium gray and beige can work well. Navy can be okay as long as it is not so dark it looks black. I’d stay away from bright reds (maroon might work), oranges, yellows, and light greens. Don’t worry too much about matching with/clashing with the background. The photographer can change the background if he/she has to.
– Don’t go too light with makeup, but don’t go too heavy either. This is a good time to put on eyeliner and mascara if you usually do not, because they will make your eyes stand out in the photo. Do not wear dark lipstick; it does not look good in black-and-white pictures. Shiny makeup (lip gloss, frosted eyeshadow, shimmer blush, etc.) is usually bad idea. You don’t need to spackle yourself with foundation. Don’t stress too much about facial flaws, blemishes, etc. With good lighting and Photoshop, it’s amazing what a good photog can do with a headshot.
– Check your teeth and nose before the photographer starts shooting. Photoshop cannot get rid of everything. Enough said.
– This picture may hang around for a long time, not to mention be seen by a lot of people. It’s worth it to get a professional blowout and style the day of the photo. A lot of people don’t realize this, but if you have a good hair stylist who is not a celebrity, they will usually agree to make a house call for an important occasion without charging an arm and a leg. It helps if you’ve been a customer of theirs for awhile. I had my hair stylist come to my house to blow out my hair before I was going to be photographed for our local paper and it was worth every penny. The picture looked great and I felt confident while I was being photographed, which is important to taking a good picture.
– If in doubt, call your photographer or studio and ask them for tips. They will probably have some. The most important thing is to be confident and relaxed. Your photographer will most likely be shooting on a digital camera, so you can probably ask him/her to show you your photos as they’re being shot. If you don’t like the direction the shoot is going, or the preliminary shots, speak up. Re-shooting while you’re in the studio is much less of a hassle than scheduling a re-shoot and doing this all over again when you get the photos and you’re not happy.
Lots of great information, thanks, A. Would never have thought of getting professional hair that day. For myself, I’d go a step further and get pro makeup, since I am farsighted, can’t deal with contact lenses, and therefore baddity-bad-bad at doing my own. I’m a writer, and we’re always being asked for headshots, so, yes, the original poster could be using these for a while, and it’s worth the effort and expense.
Just wanted to share this amazing news with everyone. This is amazing!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/08/all-black-all-male-urban_n_490019.html
Thank you for posting this! :)
What a great achievement for all of these students. Thanks for sharing.
Awesome!
So glad you posted this. Makes me happy to see scholarship being celebrated. Imagine if cheering crowds turned out for academic successes the way they do for sports. Not to diss sports, but if we want kids to be serious about school, we have to help them.
I could use some guidance — I lost 75 pounds over the last 7 months of 2009, and now that its spring I need to invest in a new wardrobe (I have been wearing the same few pairs of black pants/shirts for the last couple months since I was too nervous to ‘bit the bullet’ and shop) — What items do you find are worth buying top quality/brand/price? What are the investment pieces that will last me several years? I work in an office that’s business casual with a formal tendency… no bright colors/prints, nothing remotely low cut. I wear suits a couple days a week, but pants and a sweater/short sleeve top are also acceptable. Thanks!
I suggest you buy some good structured pieces to show off your new svelte body! For example, a couple of sheath dresses (though depending on your shape, maybe look for a V neck) in neutral colors and in a nice fabric. A wrap dress would be a good idea as well. You will also need to buy some fitted camis to wear on a daily basis in order to avoid showing off cleavage- go for some neutrals as well as brighter, spring colors (just a hint of color won’t offend a formal office dress code)! Keep the balck pants, but think about buying some gray, tan, or even cream pants- and splurge in the tailoring department so they fit you perfectly. Last, make sure to get a structured jacket that nips you in at the waist and that can be mixed and matched with all of your pants. You can’t go wrong with a cashmere cardigan or two, and a couple of pashmina shawls to brighten up your outfit.
I’m printing this — Thank you! A V-neck is probably best… I’m an ‘hourglass’ (code word for large breasts and what my doctor refers to as ‘childbearing hips’… despite the fact that he’s my orthopedist, and I don’t have children).
If my doctor said that to me, I would find a new doctor. Yikes.
Honestly, if he wasn’t the best surgeon for my knees, I would have, but since when he operated on my knees I was out, his personality comes in second to being able to walk
I actually don’t find that line offensive. It means your body is built in such a way to make child birth easier. While I don’t intend to have children I understand that our bodies are built with procreation in mind. Girls with super skinny hips have way more complications in child birth and are more likely to need a c-section. Child bearing hips actually has medical significance in my opinion.
surgeons have never been noted for their bedside manner.
I spend more on the basic items that I know I will use constantly and that will not go out of style in a season or two (i.e. dress slacks in nice fabrics, well-tailored jackets, cashmere or silk sweaters and blouses, basic suits). I spend less on the stuff that I may wear only a handful of times per season or that is a little trendy and may go out of fashion. I also don’t spend much on the stuff that you don’t really “see” in an outfit, like camis, lightweight shirts I’ll only wear with jackets, etc.
The one exception to this, and one that is particularly critical if you’ve just lost a lot of weight, is really good bras. Go get fitted if you haven’t been already! And don’t be afraid to spend what seems like a lot of money for something that goes under your clothes. It makes such a huge difference in your posture, the way your clothes fit, and even how much you appear to weigh.
I did buy new bras… I hate bra shopping (even more than swimsuits), but a couple weeks ago the total lack of fit/support forced me to go ahead… you’re right – BIG difference! Thank you!
May I ask what changes you made to your eating habits to achieve this weight loss? Also, and for me even more interesting, what did you do to get what I call will-power? That’s always the kicker for me. I feel I know what to eat, I just can’t keep the portions and snacking under control. Thanks.
Hi, happy to help —
– I order my groceries online through Peapod– That way there’s no impulse shopping, and I have to review the order before placing it so I can delete out the less healthy stuff. Also great for making sure I don’t double up on milk/eggs/etc.
– I snack constantly – I ask myself “Am I still hungry” “Am I enjoying this”
– I quit eating diet/light foods that I don’t like — They’re not satisfying, so I would end up overeating on a bunch of other substitute items instead of a reasonable portion of the ‘real deal’
– I adopted a dog, so while I wouldn’t walk myself around the block, I do walk her
– I keep Kashi Go Lean in my office (its high in protein which is more satisfying) and I munch on it, that and almonds (Trader Joe’s sells packets of plain ‘handful of almonds’ that are great to toss in with your lunch)
– I drink a lot of seltzer/flavored sparkling water – no calories and filling.
– I measure myself and weigh myself daily… I don’t keep a log because I think that slow weeks would be discouraging, but its important to compare day to day to stay on track (just mentally, don’t go crazy)
Hope that helps!
If you ever watched the biggest loser you might have heard Jillian say, “nothing tastes as good as being skinny feels.” You just need to expend more calories than you take in, and find a reward for working out (other than a food item).
Wow, Shayna, really great tips! Thanks.
I find that getting quality suit pieces, pants and skirts are worth it and can last a long time if of a good quality. Have the pants tailored to fit you perfectly. If you gain a few pounds, those pants will keep you honest! I don’t spend as much on tops — I find that I wear through them more quickly, regardless of quality. Especially in the summer months when life on the subway gets sweaty. Based on this website, I recently got some stuff from the Classiques brand at Nordstrom and am really impressed with the quality and fit. Oh, and congrats on your loss!
I have to second the Classiques suggestion. I find that the pieces are cut more for women who have curves, and the pencil skirts are the most flattering I’ve found for my “childbearing hips.”
First of all, you should be really proud of your achievement. 75 pounds is a huge loss, and must have taken an enormous amount of commitment and perseverance. I am impressed!
In addition to the new bras, you might want to try some new underwear/panties. I know for me, I was really stuck in a rut of what I wore for so many years. As my body changed (mostly due to age, not a spectacular weight loss like yours), I really needed to re-think my foundational garments. Buy a couple of different styles/cuts/fabrics and wear them under various clothes all day. Give it a couple weeks. You might be really surprised at how things fit now and what will work better for your new shape.
Best of luck!
That’s an interesting idea — I’ve never really gone too big on underwear, but that could be fun – Thanks!
Thank you! I’m going shopping this afternoon and will definitely check out Classiques at Nordstrom (Nordstrom has a terrific Petites department, and since I’m 5’2″ that’s a real treat!)
I highly recommend buying a copy of the book, The Science of Sexy by Bradley Bayoud. It will really help you figure out what clothes look best on your new body type. Since you are investing in a new wardrobe, you really want to buy the type of clothes that are going to look most flattering on your shape. I think it is worth spending top dollar on your wardrobe workhorses—dress pants and jackets. If you are an hourglass figure, check out Club Monaco’s Tex pants for a high quality dress pant that works well on an hourglass. I also like clothes by Theory and Elie Tahari. Not cheap at all, but these are the pieces I reach for over and over again and always get compliments on. I’d also invest in a pair of killer blue jeans in a dark wash and bootcut. Not for the office, but you will love them for everything else!
Thank you — I am a fan of book references (My favorite is the Modern Girl’s Guide to Life… excellent info on everything from office etiquette to how to use a toilet plunger) – I like Elie Tahari and I’ve always thought Theory clothes were beautiful… I was to invest in the pieces of clothing that I will wear over and over – it makes sense to get the great cut/fabric for pants etc. that I will use for years – I just need to figure out what those items are! I also figured out, thanks to a friend’s help today, that I now have an ‘hourglass’ figure (yay!)
Shayna
As an hourglass who really struggles to “lose the last 10 pounds” – congrats!! If you’re looking for “investment” pieces, try Anne Klein (sale on) and David Meister.
Wow. I just wanted to congratulate you on your weight loss, Shayna. That is quite an accomplishment. Enjoy your new figure!
(And BTW, I think there are a lot worse things than having hips. I am proud to be a woman so I am proud to have a womanly figure- hips, bust, and all.)
Thanks – and excellent point :-)
Update – I used my 30% coupon at the Gap Outlet near me today (if you haven’t gotten yours yet – and its good for all Gap owned stores, like Banana Republic, through tomorrow, click my name and scroll down to where I posted the coupon – have fun!) – and for $200 I got a pair of black chino pants, black dress (poly blend) pants, brown dress pants, cargo capris, shorts (2 pairs, tan and denim… I haven’t worn shorts in about ten years or more so this is BIG, ladies!), 2 knit shirts, 3 tank tops, 1 lace edged camisole to go under suits, and a black pencil skirt… I also stopped by my local Dress for Success where I volunteer and after sorting winter leftovers for the upcoming sale, bought Ann Taylor Pants and a United Colors of Bennetton Blazer for $1 each :-)
can i ask you a dress for success question? i have a bunch of good basic but not fancy suits that, well, lets just say i “outgrew”. (sigh.) i heard that one shouldn’t bother giving small sizes to dress for success: true? (my castoffs are sizes 2 and 4 petite.)
Definitely not true! We have the hardest time stocking sizes 2 through 6 and petite sizes… And basic is best – the ladies that go through Dress for Success are entering the workforce for the first time, and they needs suits that are going to be able to go to different interviews, and also be used at work – and basic suits last a lot longer (style wise). Please please please donate! (That goes for all of y’all… women come in all sizes, and words can’t begin to describe the confidence boost Dress for Success clients get when they are wearing a suit that fits well – a major help when they are interviewing!) Go to http://DressforSuccess.org to find your local affiliate
Cute and comfortable!! Good choice…
Someone posted on one of these messages pages a comment about how you shouldn’t wear separates to court. I always buy separates instead of a full suit b/c the sizes don’t work for me — the pants will be huge if the top fits correctly. So what do the rest of you do? What’s with shunning separates when that’s what many of us do to get the best fit?
Do you mean you buy matching pieces in 2 different sizes, or that you buy, for example, black pants and a gray and black blazer?
I think the idea is that if separates look like a suit it’s ok (same fabric, same brand, etc). Just don’t decide that your blacks are “close enough” or wear a black blazer with grey slacks. Please correct me if I’m wrong, folks.
I’ve always interpreted “separates” to mean a jacket and a skirt/pair of pants in different fabrics and/or colors. A suit is matching jacket and skirt/pair of pants (same color/fabric) regardless of whether your purchase the jacket and bottoms together (for one price) or separately (for separate prices).
Agree
Does anyone know about the Crocs YOU brand? I hate hate hate the ugly bulky plastic Crocs, but apparently they’re making leather comfort shoes that aren’t half bad looking. Do they live up to the claims that they’re comfy and good quality??
I beta tested a pair and the arch support was terrible. But they might have improved since. They sure were cute, though.
I’ve tried them in the past and found them overpriced, and sort of clumpy/ugly looking… I like Easy Spirit’s dress shoes for comfort – you can find them at DSW on sale sometimes – you just have to use an ‘editing eye’ to make sure you get the cute ones, not the aggressively orthopedic ones
This is actually a question for a guy friend of mine. He has been told he should liven up his wardrobe a bit. He is a lawyer and mostly wears white or blue shirts with his suits. He asked me to check out the shirts on the guys in court. Yep, white and blue. Mostly white. He still wants to try for something a little different though. The other day he wore a yellow shirt with a grey suit. I didn’t see him, but bet he looked great and professional.
Any suggestions I can give this guy. Who, btw, is color blind. His fiancee (not me thankfully) can take him shopping and help dress him in the mornings.
Thanks all.
He should go to a men’s store he likes and ask for help. You know, a full on man store — Brooks Brother, Paul Stuart, men’s dept of Bloomies, etc. Even if he doesn’t buy there, the people who work there are experts and will be able to give him some principles to shop by. (I’d recommend Charles Tyrwhitt for some that won’t break the bank). Bring the ties he owns with him. I am pretty clueless when it comes to men’s fashion, but have been able to buy my hubby some fashionable but appropriate things based on the sales associate advice. Be as specific as possible — explain the context and the colors of suits that he owns. My husband is a conservative dresser and often wears shirts with faint stripes on them. Like a white shirt with a purple stripe would probably look great with the grey suit.
For shirts with a suit, if he wants to liven it up, I’d recommend striped or checked shirts rather than color. A light yellow or pink is fine, but I think it starts to get weird when men get into multi-colored dress shirt territory. White, light blue, french blue, yellow, pink. Beyond that, safest bet is to stick with those colors with subtle stripes and checks paired with ties. A man can get very interesting in experimenting with patterned shirts/patterned ties – no need to go into colored shirt territory. That just seems to result in men having unfortunate colored shirts and ultimately culminate in some sad Man in Black tribute of black pants and a cheap black shirt.
Apparently I have quite the opinion on this! :)
No pink shirts on men.
Ever.
Yuck.
I love em. Pink is pimp. If he is a good looking, built guy that can fill out the shirt and look manly, a pale pink is great!
oh no, no, no. Pink shirts are d-bag frat stud territory. Best worn with popped collar and Nantucket reds…
“Pimp” is not a look that I want to see on my boyfriend.
I concur.
Pink is not good on men. I also definitely do not support anything that makes one look like a human trafficker. Pimping a crime, not a fashion statement.
Yeah, I get worked up over “wife beater” as a name for an undershirt too.
Ditto — I see ‘pimp’ as by word for low class and low morals… Not fashion – I agree w/ eplawyer!
I used to think pink shirts were horrible. And then I met people who actually wear them seriously. And my life was changed…for the better. However, I usually feel free to take it upon myself to physically put down someone’s collar if it’s up, so there are limits to how much d-bag I can handle.
Thomas Pink shirts are really nice though!
Pink shirt + grey flannel trousers = work appropriate and me swooning.
When I first met my husband, I was impressed that he’d wear a pink shirt with a suit. Here was this tall, confident, athletic, military guy with a buzz cut, wearing a pink shirt. There’s nothing “pimp” or frat boy about him; just a real man in a pink shirt. Maybe it takes the right kind of guy to pull it off.
Another one who loves pink shirts on men. It looks especially good on men of color because it’s such a nice contrast from their skin tone. As long as it’s more of a baby pink and not super bright pink, it’s completely work appropriate.
Wow, I’m amazed by the feeling on this. Pink is so normal in this city that it wouldn’t raise the slightest eyebrow… but across the pond it means you’re a college student who can’t handle his drink? Or a pimp?
And blue just doesn’t suit some complexions as well as warmer colours do.
My husband – a very manly man and attorney – looks great in his pink dress shirt. He wore one to my sister’s wedding, with a pink tie, and looked great!
A certain type of trendy man tends to wear pink, so there’s a stereotype associated with it.
London, Sydney – pink shirts really are quite normal. I think several of my friends would be very surprised to hear they look dodgy, because they really don’t!
Amusingly, I’m female and don’t wear pink shirts myself, but that’s because I’m ghostly pale and look rather ill in pastels.
And can only support the Thomas Pink love – I’m really busty and yet their semi-relaxed fit shirts actually do up properly and look great on me. Just a slight pity about the price…the last three I bought were 69 pounds each, though admittedly I went for herringbone.
I’m in FL where it’s common to wear pink and other colored shirts. Wearing colorful clothing isn’t confined to women or whatever the stereotype is for men who wear pink shirts.
L from Oz- I just visited a Pink outlet and was disappointed at how the shirts fit after reading all the reviews. I tried on several different styles and they were all too baggy in the midsection if they fit me in the chest. So sad.
Pink is ok, but not on men who are fair skinned. Pink skin + pink shirt = NO (in my book). Best on men with dark skin that tans, and doesn’t “burn”.
Pink shirts for men are very classic. Sorry about your hang up.
MelD, based on my own experiences at Thomas Pink, I’d guess that their shirts aren’t great if you’re busty but thin. The really tailored styles aren’t big enough in the bust, and I can imagine the semi-tailored (which is what I wear) being baggy in the midsection for someone slimmer than I am (F cup, size 12-14 UK). That said, I think the code for my shirts is TLR, if you fancy trying again. Anyway, good luck with your shirt hunt.
AN, pink shirt + sunburn isn’t a good look on anyone!
@L- thanks for the insight. I wear about a 6-8 in tops, so that probably explains it. I am not huge in the chest, but I think in those sizes they don’t expect women to have a chest at all. It’s very frustrating.
Please tell your friend to avoid most colored shirts (e.g., green, beige, purple-ish, gray, black, etc.) In my experience, unless the guys is into high fashion and has a way of pulling of a pink button down (which doesn’t sound the case here), these will only look dated. And to me, the poorly executed ones generally remind me of the boxed “shirt-tie” combos from stores like JCPenneys or Sears.
Also dated, though ever so slightly less so, are the striped shirts that every guy wears for a night on the town or to court on fridays. You know the ones, and if you don’t just look around the next time you’re near a semi “trendy” lounge on the weekend. Enough already. Advise to avoid.
BUT — what I would highly recommend is some light checkered shirts (e.g., white with light blue pattern, white with light gray & brown, etc.). Those look very fresh and modern, and are an easy way to look fashion forward without looking clownish or like you’re trying too hard).
And tell your friend that a lot of professional judges and partners actually think that men should never wear anything but white & light blue shirts! One very traditional leaning mentor told me he even thinks blue is kind of a travesty, his motto is starched white only … So just goes to show you.
There is nothing wrong with being classic. And, if all else fails, and he wants to safely liven up his wardrobe, just tell him to get some fun ties!
Why do trendy striped shirts look dated? It seems like if everyone is wearing them, they must be in style? Maybe it’s just that they are inappropriate for work and more for wearing out to a club/lounge?
I don’t know either – is it the ‘by the time everyone’s wearing something it must no longer be fashionable syndrome’?
They look dated because they are dated. This is a “look” that has been in since at least around 2001 -2002.
Men’s fashion tends to run on a slightly different arc, so it takes longer to trickle down but 8 years still seems sufficient to really wear out a partcular pattern for a bit.
Basically, the only men I see wearing these shirts (and yes, there are a ton of these men) are usually present and former frat boys with no inherent sense of style whose mothers and/or girlfriends bought them these shirts at BR, etc., a few years ago & it’s just now a part of their “going out” uniform. Right along with their sharpely square toed loafers.
I understand the criticism of “by the time everyone’s wearing it it’s no longer fashionable” syndrome, but this can sometimes be a valid factor in my opinion. It’s not so much that everyone’s wearing them, but also who is wearing them. The men who could be considered “stylish” have moved on. So that leaves mostly guys with too much gel in their hair, etc. And that’s just how it works with fashion. You have your classics (e.g., crisp white shirts) and then you have trends (here, the striped patterned shirt) . . . By the time it reaches this kind of saturation (which takes years), people who pay any kind of attention to these things get so tired of it (here the vertical stripe, usually on a light blue or a dark colored background), that they move on . . . which leaves only people who really just don’t pay attention, and after all these years it just looks dated (because frankly it is dated . . . it has been around forever!)
Maybe I am not explaining this well, and I certainly mean no offense to anyone, but just trust me — the colored striped shirt is not a fresh look. Wear what you like, but them’s the facts.
Thanks for the explanation, I don’t know too much about men’s fashion. and would think of a striped dress shirt would be fairly classic, but I guess it depends on the style of it. I certainly have heard references to dark colored striped shirts as being clubbish.
For the color-blindness, I knew a guy once with this problem. With his girlfriend’s help he worked out a code for which things he could wear together and wrote it in fine-tip indelible ink somewhere on the garment that couldn’t be seen when worn. Something like, all the A clothes can be worn together, all the Bs, etc. But no As and Bs together.
Many men are color-blind. The A and B idea is great. Another technique is to simply only purchase clothes that all blend well with each other.
This is the Garanimals system for adult men. I used it with my first husband, and while he had other problems, at least his clothes looked good.
ONLY MEN CAN BE COLOR BLIND. It’s genetic and come through the family on the maternal grandfather’s side. So his mother should have been of help to him in learning how to manage.
If not, ask the kind of color blindness. For example, green and brown often look alike – so knowing what to wear with olive and brown slacks being called “the same” might help.
Pastels are difficult for many to detect. If he knows that all pastels go with neutral slacks that might help.
Eventually my husband and I just have always bought solid shirts to minimize confusion. He sees blue well, so that’s the other option for him. Also bold colors, so ties are a bit easier. FYI, if he buys the same style shoe in both brown/black or brown/oxblood, lable it on the inside!
if it is still difficult, consider grouping all the shirts with slacks that “go together.” All the shirts and ties that go with black/grey/navy and another section for those that go with brown.
Then again, the first day my hubby to be (now 30 years later) met me, he complimented me on my grey dress and it was lilac! Only recently did he tell me that a black and burgundy outfit “looked like you were going to a funeral” as there wasn’t enough contrast between the two colors in his eyes.
Oh yes, orange and green are the “same” for many; losing the extension cords in the lawn. Then there’s also the difficulties telling between “lab sticker” yellow and green.
Learn something new every day, we do!
There’s a website on the National Weather site where you can download a map changing view for the color blind. When you try it, you realize just how different they “see” the world.
Nope, women can be colorblind, too. It’s just much harder because they have to inherit two of the genes instead of one and it’s recessive. So you have to have a carrier mother and a colorblind father.
(I should have stuck with genetics instead of law school).
Not true. I am technically colorblind. My dad is too (he has to be for me to be). He had to get special permission to get his pilot’s license. We can both see colors – like I can tell whether a shirt is blue, green, or red. But we can’t pass any of the color blind tests, and my perception of some colors is a little off.
My hubs can be a natty and yet conservative dresser. Windowpane checks, tattersalls, candy stripes and the like. Also, a herringbone or pique in a white or blue can be a great way to add interest while still being concservative. During spring he will occassionally wear pink or yellow. The key is taking care that the tie, suit, and shirt coordinate. Men’s stores are a blessing.
That said, for court days, he tends to wear solid blue or white.
Also, no cufflinks or weird collars with an non-basic shirt, IMO. Also, dark colors are horrid. If a sportscaster would wear it, a lawyer should not.
I love the sportcaster/lawyer rule! Succinctly put!
Who told him that he needed to liven up his wardrobe? And were they talking about his work clothing or his “real life” duds?
Right? I can’t imagine a male lawyer ever being told to “liven up” his wardrobe: for a male lawyer, “boring” is usually a virtue in the dressing department. particularly if the response is “You do realize I’m color blind.”
unless this came from a superior, i’d be awfully tempted to just ignore it. unless, of course, its affecting his self confidence . . .
tell your friend to find a J. Hillburn consultant near him and let that person help liven up the wardrobe.
I’m a fan of men who wear monochromatic shirt and tie combinations – a dark red shirt and a black suit with a dark red and black tie… a litle sharper than a white shirt but still appropriately conservative.
I am not sure that a red shirt, dark or otherwise, could ever be conservative . . . at least not on an attorney.
These shoes. I haaate plaid, especially all chopped up and going in different directions, as here. Look ok in the plain colors, though.
I just want to say that I LOVE this website. Kat, I’m delighted you came out of the closet! I’ve gotten so many useful tips from you and discovered new brands and ideas thanks to the commenters. It’s contributed to a new interest in my work wardrobe and hope that I can still be myself while working for The (biglaw) Man.
I bought those Born sandals last year in black patent – they are all that and a bag of chips!
In a previous comment thread, someone suggested Maybelline’s Age Rewind Double Face Perfector as a cheap alternative to Touche Eclait. I just want to say THANK YOU! I just returned to work from maternity leave and all week people have been saying that I look so well-rested and that I’m “still glowing.” It’s all in the makeup.
That was me!! I am so glad you like it! You just made my day. =) That is one of my favorite products, and I always have one in my desk, my gym bag, at home, and sometimes in my purse. The Buy One/Get One Free sales at drugstores are a great time to stock up!
i also bought it based on your rec. i had always heard about touche eclat but never considered purchasing it based on the price. the maybelline stuff is awesome. thanks so much!
Just had a job interview that lasted all of five minutes (if that). The interviewer seemed to like my experience and said that he would definitely call my references but didn’t really ask me about myself. Has anyone ever had a similar experience? What do you think this means?
Honestly? That you were the #th interview of the day and that they’ve already pretty much decided that they’ll be hiring one of the candidates they interviewed before you so they didn’t want to spend too much time with you.
^^ This is usually how it works. I had one of these interviews last semester for a judge. Both my friend and I were in there 8 mins, max. Luckily we were in the morning; back luck for my friend who was in the afternoon and still had to drive an hour and a half to get there and miss work for an 8 min. interview where the judge didn’t ask any questions…
If you were not the first interview of the day, I’d agree with Anon that he’s already made his decision and couldn’t be bothered.
I have a friend who got a job with the state government with an equally minimalist interview. He was the only person interviewed for the position and I think the interview was just a formality.
Sad but happens so often its ridiculous… Its a total waste of everyone’s time, but such are the games we play… Although I have had interviews that lasted hours, and I felt confident about, and led nowhere… but no job offers that came from a conversation that brief
Beware if they do offer you the job. I have had friends who accepted jobs after “non-interview interviews” and they found out, much too late, that the companies were totally dysfunctional, the person doing the hiring was desperate, and the interview was conducted in a way to discourage them from asking too many questions. I agree this could be a polite brush-off, but if the person does call you, I would recommend saying “I would feel more comfortable if we could meet again to discuss a few things, I have a few questions for you, if you don’t mind.” If they bristle at this and try to push you into a fast decision to accept, run away. As fast as you can. Bad employers are just like bad employees – there’s always a reason when they try to hide something.
Thanks all. I don’t know whether there were any other interviews that day or not. I suppose I should have thrown in there that he had a client who showed up about an hour late for her appointment so he had to duck in and get her started with another attorney and then ducked out to conduct my interview so its very possible that five minutes was all he had. But I would have happily waited for him to be finished with his work or to reschedule if it meant getting a chance to have a real interview…. Oh well. But that aside I got the distinct impression that he hadn’t even looked at my application materials so I wasn’t sure if this was just the way that he conducted interviews or what.
I’ve had interviews like that. I feel like some people doing the interview are just as uncomfortable doing the interviewing. I do think it hurts you, because you probably had all these things you wanted to bring out and you didn’t get to say them. There’s probably nothing to do about this job unless they do call you. I might call back or in the Thank YOU say, “I didn’t feel like we had very much chance to talk. I’d enjoy talking with you again either in person or over the phone.”
For the future, I’ve taken to being a bit more active and dominant in these types of interview. If I feel like they’ve run out of questions or didn’t look at my materials I’ll ask a question of them, then in reply talk about how I fit that perfectly, based on my experience with XYZ. I’ll ask more “personal” questions to get them talking- what’s your favorite thing about working here, what’s something you wish you’d known earlier in your career, what class were you glad to have taken etc. Then when they answer, I’ll again, bring it back to me and my qualifications. I don’t know if it works, but it makes it less awkward.
It is true that not every interviewer is skilled. Perhaps it was his/her first day doing interviews, ever?
Was this your only interviewer, or did you go through a number of people? If it was 1 of 3 or 4 interviewers, then I wouldn’t worry about it. It happens if you’ve got a strict interview schedule and someone runs late (e..g, his client ran late and he can’t juggle the schedule for whatever reason).
If he was your only interviewer — then yeah, either they’ve already picked someone else or they are totally dysfunctional.
I still wouldn’t worry about it. If the attorney was in the middle of dealing with a client – particularly if it was a good client – then the five minutes was likely all he had. Also, depending on the size of the firm, there may only be one attorney who makes the final decision, in which case s/he is the only one who interviews. Finally, I have seen this happen multiple times – the attorney has absolutely no time, is very smart and people-oriented and can get a ‘feel’ for you within 5 minutes. It’s all s/he needs.
However, if that happens anywhere else again, I’d make a point of having specific questions to ask the interviewer and say something like, “I know you do not have much time, but I do have a couple quick questions, if you don’t mind.” The interviewer’s reaction will tell you whether he truly doesn’t have time or whether he just isn’t interested.
I posted requests for interview advice in the past 2 weekend open threads and several people asked that I post an update when the interview process is over. Well, I am pleased to report that I was offered the job!! The offer is still provisional as I have to be awarded my MA, pass the security clearance requirements, and a host of other administrative details need to be worked out, but I am just so relieved to be (almost) employed. Thanks for all your help and good wishes. I appreciate the efforts of everyone who took the time to answer my questions and offer advice.
Also, good luck to all the other new graduates and job seekers out there. It is a difficult climate in which to be looking for work, but there are jobs out there and if you keep an open mind you just might, like me, find a truly outstanding opportunity in a field you never would have considered before this economic crisis.
Congrats, SRS! Thanks for circling back with us.
Great! Sounds like jet lag didn’t bother you one bit!
Not on the way there, but when I got back home I went to bed at 4pm and slept for 18 hours straight. Jet lag and daylight savings time both in one week do not a happy camper make. I still feel a little thickheaded and discombobulated.
Congratulations!!! Best of luck, both with the waiting period (while you get your degree, clearance, etc.) and most of all with the new gig!!
CONGRATS!!! What wonderful news.
First, Congratulations on your success!
Second, it seems to me that only the people *with* jobs or job offers say that “there are jobs out there.” I’ve kept an open mind and searched and interviewed since last August for a summer associate position/internship/clerkship. It’s now the end of March. Even the people I’ve interviewed with and had informational networking meetings with admit that jobs are scarce. How will I find a job after graduation next year if I can’t get a job – paid or pro bono – for experience this summer? Depress mode.
I’m not saying that jobs are plentiful 2l, just that they exist. I completely understand your frustration as I have felt it myself many times this past year. I applied for dozens of positions and got only a handful of responses, and most of those were for positions that I never would have considered for a minute under ordinary circumstances. All I can say is to stick with it and keep an open mind. If you had told me a year ago where I would end up working I’d have laughed in your face, not because of anything wrong with the organisation, but because it never would have occurred to me that I have a set of skills they’d be interested in. I applied for this position in October, on a whim, simply because I met the minimum qualifications and figured that it can’t hurt to try. It turns out that they need someone with my skill set to compliment those of the rest of the team members.
A good portion of job search success these days is simply luck and I was very lucky. I realize that. But just because I was lucky doesn’t mean that you can’t be as well. Scarce doesn’t mean nonexistent and who knows, you just might get lucky yourself.
Congratulations! That’s a terrific accomplishment, especially considering how many applicants there are for every position!!
i wear a 38D bra and have a short torso. i get my bras from victoria secret. the straps are always too long. i want a bra with good support and shorter straps to lift up my chest and give it support. anyone have any suggestions?
Go to a bra specialty store and have them fit you – they’ll be able to pick out brands/styles that work for your figure (and that includes your height, weight, body shape, etc – not just cup size).
If you are relying on the bra straps to give you lift and support, then more than likely, you are wearing the wrong size. I agree with the other commenter who suggested that you go to a specialty store and get fitted properly. Also, VS really isn’t the best place to get good quality supportive bras, no matter how popular they are.
The band and the underwire of your bra should be doing most of the supporting…not the straps.
I second this! You may actually be a smaller band size than you think. Sometimes when you think you are a 38D, you are actually a 36DD. The band should be pretty snug and the underwire should come underneath your armpit so that your girls are fully supported. :)
FBF: tighter band, yes! I went for years with ride-up and one day a fitter suggested a tighter band and bigger cup. Looking back, I think, well duh, but it never occurred to me on my own. For a few weeks the tight band drove me nuts, but now I don’t notice it, and everything stays where it’s put. Much better. However, I do also keep an eye out for bras with higher, um, sidewalls, the bit under my armpit, this also helps with fit.
Go to Nordstroms! There are a few brands that are particularly good for 38D cup size. If you feel like sagging is a big problem and you are short waisted try LeMystere. Their bras have wide straps and a contoured cup for lots of support (although LeMystere can run tight in the band — I normally wear a 34DD and sometimes have to wear a 36 in LeMystere). Wacoal is great if you like an unlined cup with wider straps and wide band (wide bands are great for minizing back fat if that is an issue for you). Chantell has some great sexy styles with narrow straps in 38D.
My all time favorite, however, is Natori. They have a lined bra with lace straps. They are expensive but a great quality! The material is soft and comfortable for long days at the office and the lined cup means no nipple showing issues.
Is Nordstrom able to fit you even if you may fall out of the size ranges that they carry? I am lucky enough to have a My Intimacy store in my area. When the fitter told me what size I was ( I had been walking around in 42 DDD’s and I was really a 34GG), I almost fainted and again when I saw the price tags on the bras that the fitter brought me. But I have to suck it up because I look sooo much better in my clothes.
I checked on the Nordstrom website and it doesn’t appear that they don’t carry my size— so are the fitters willing to be honest about your size even though you may have to go elsewhere to make a purchase?
Oops double negative that I can’t go back and correct.
Yes, although you usually need to try bras on to figure out exactly what size you are – fitting only gets you in the ballpark. But they also carry a lot of sizes – definitely including an H cup.
thank you so much former bra fitter. i am in my mid-30s and have not had children but i feel like my breast sags. i want them to be lifted up and thought a shorter strap would help pull them up. i’ll check out nordstrom’s. how much do you think i should expect to spend?
I love Nordstrom for fittings. I would expect to spend around $70 for that one really good bra, and then tell the fitter what your budget is and she’ll work with it. The great thing is that once you know your size in different brands, it’s easy to pick bras up on sale a few times a year. And in your size, check out Felina for some fun weekend bras too!
once you get fitted, and it will probably be someplace that carries relatively pricey brands, then you can know your size and order online and onsale, much cheaper i find. bare necessities for example had a great sale this weekend. freya bras are great for full busts and will run you $60-$70 per, but you can also get wacoal for around $50 or so. other brands to check out (some of them pricey) include chantelle, triumph, le mystere. sounds like your band size should go down considerably (as others noted!): don’t be alarmed, it happens all the time!
Nordstrom is great at this! I use LeMystere and about once a year I go get fitted again if my weight has changed. Getting someone who has been trained to fit you (more so than the people at Victoria’s Secret) is invaluable. The woman who helped me at Nordstrom gave me her card and she calls me whenever LeMystere styles go on sale. Super helpful!
Totally agree on the professional fitting. I like the Intimacy stores and Soma (related to Chico’s). I’ve paid about $55 for a bra a few years ago (Intimacy) and thought it was well worth it. And I have some great fitting ones that are in the mid-$20’s, so it depends. Soma has sales several times a year.
I am a similar build and completely agree, you need to go to either Nordstrom or a good lingerie store (I do not consider VS in that category). I personally prefer Chantelle bras, but you’ll have to be fitted and try on a bunch of bras to find some that work for you. Be prepared to spend some serious $ (mine are about $60 each), but they make a big difference in the way your clothes fit and the way you feel!
Not wanting to be snarky here, and please forgive the generalizing, but from observation over the years I think maybe it’s husbands and boyfriends who like V. Secret more than women do.
Twenty years ago VS was beautiful. The last time I went in there, I was convinced that they are marketing to 12-year-old girls. Even at age 21, I would not have done the “come hither” while holding a stuffed animal with the word PINK on my butt. I won’t shop there.
I’m pretty sure that the VS demographic 12-year-old girls whose parents let them wear tight pants with words on the ass, and 29-year-old bachelorettes who want to dress like a French maid on their honeymoons.
I remember buying my first “grown-up” underwear there about 15 years ago and it was super nice. They don’t sell anything like it now.
PV: Me neither. Last time I went in a couple of years ago, the poor sales lady had an actual bra, on a hanger, fastened to her waist. So humiliating, and undignified. I thought, this mind-set (the head-office types who devised this horrible idea) is not for me. Never went back.
Agree — I fail to see the usefulness in a 14 year old with no breasts (or at least not any that aren’t so perky they don’t even bother wearing a bra) ‘fitting’ me… I went to a local lingerie specialty store to get fitted – awkward to have someone moving ‘the girls’ around, but not as uncomfortable as a breast exam ;-)
BraSmyth in NYC and Short Hills Mall in NJ is amazing! They have great fitters and a huge selection, including sizes outside what you will find at VS and most department stores.
You can also shop by catalog and website, but probably would want to get fitted first and then use those options to stock up on your favorites, once you have figured out what they are.
They have bras available at many prices points; the ones I like (and that fit me!) typically run between $70 and $80. Chantelle is my favorite brand at the moment, and I am also on a perpetual quest to eliminate sagging from my life!
Your bra doesn’t fit if you are relying on straps for support.
Figleaves.com has an excellent video on how to fit your bras.
Here is our link on fitting advice and stores that may be in your area: http://carissarose.com/bra-fitting-tips/.
Everyone is right, go to a specialty store. The link above lists good stores nationwide.
Also wanted to recommend http://www.herrroom.com. You can search by whatever you want, size, straps, padded, ANTHING. They have awesome customer service and carry cult brands like OnGossamer. I love this website. And if you check regularly, you will find your faves on sale too.
Anyone near London, I just went and spent a small fortune at Rigby and Peller (I do this once a year), but it was really worth it. I’m large busted, wear a small band size, and have such narrow shoulders that most straps fall right off, so my options are fairly limited. Have some truly stunning bras now, but equally good is that they look great under my clothes.
So yes, can only echo the suggestions that people get fitted properly, even if you later look elsewhere to by replacements. Bravissimo is worth a try for the larger-busted – I can’t really wear their styles, but I know a lot of fans.
I second the Rigby and Peller suggestion. Not only do you find out your correct size – they have a good idea of what cuts and brands might suit your shape. From there, it’s easy to branch out and shop for bras elsewhere, or even online.
One thing I would mention is that some speciality shops will not only fit you correctly, but if you do happen to have a particularly unsual fit, the shops can also alter the bras just like you would alter a shirt or pants. I had to do with for my wedding, because I needed a speciality size, and also needed the garment to fit under my wedding dress. I went to a shop in Northern Virginia that carries all of the brands with unusual sizes, but also was able to tailor the bras to fit me. So, if you really do need shorter straps, they can do that. I hope you have a similar shop near you.
Once you know your size in basic styles and certain brands, freshpair.com, figleaves.com, herroom.com, and nordstrom.com all are great options.
For any of you ladies out there who have the opposite problem of some of the posters here – like me! – I can recommend the Intimissimi brand of bras. I have a fairly big band size (36) compared to my cup size (nearly non-existent…not even an A). The beauty of this Italian brand is that you can buy for your cup size – the band is adjustable so you can go from a 32 to a 36 with one bra. They also sell great “cutlets” as inserts that are way more comfortable than other inserts I’ve tried before.
I spent years being unaware that as your band size goes you, so does the cup. I had no idea that a 36A cup is bigger than a 32A. Why didn’t someone think of this before.
The caveat is that I did find these at a Victoria Secret store. (They only have them in the larger stores, but they also have them online.) I agree whole-heartedly with the assessment of VS – generally poor quality, unhelpful sales associates, etc. – but I will continue to buy these bras online!
Thanks for the tip, was beginning to feel left out of the big-bra discussion…
Go to Bravissimo.com – many of their bras have fully adjustable straps. Great support.
Never had good luck with VS. Not all that pretty, but try Bali. I am short waisted, 38DD. Bali keeps the “reverb” to a minimum.
I just tried on a pair of oh so comfortable heels… but they’re kind clunky looking. Thoughts?
http://www.zappos.com/clarks-sugar-sky
Erm, not for me. I think that the “Musings” style by Indigo Clarks that is also suggested might be a little cuter.
I like them. The navy is very nice!
And I forgot to say that comfort is king with me. If they are “oh so comfortable,” that counts for a lot!
These look really nice to me, and quite sleek actually. I don’t see anything clunky about them.
They are a little clunky – but they would work just fine with pants on regular old work days!
I read somewhere once that the best thing you can do for your feet during the day is switch to a different pair of shoes half way through. Apparently it rearranges the bones and muscles and tendons, gives one set a rest and makes a slightly different combination do the work for the rest of the day. Works for me, whenever I remember to do it.
I like them, but I think they are probably a bit on the casual side to wear with most dressy skirts. For pants, definately go for it!
I just tried on a pair of oh so comfortable heels… but they’re kinda clunky looking. Thoughts?
http://www.zappos.com/clarks-sugar-sky
not a fan. but of course, i like 3.5 to 4 inch heels best. maybe they could work with slacks though…since you would be seeing the heel so much.
meant to say:
…since you would NOT be seeing the heel so much.
Hey all- law student question here (and I swear it’s not about panty hose).
I’m graduating in May (yippeee!). I plan on sending out my grad announcements within the next month. I have a few extras and was thinking about sending some to former employers/supervisors from summer positions and internships that I’ve had while being in law school. Obviously, I’m not expecting gifts or for them to attend. But I do want them to keep me in mind as many of these individuals are people I will be turning to for job interviews or references. Thoughts?
And just an additional piece of information (not sure if this matters in anyone’s opinion). Most of the places I’m looking to get a job are gov’t/public sector jobs – the vast majority of which in my area won’t seriously interviewing or extending job offers until you’ve passed the bar and been licensed.
Go for it – great idea.
I think this is a really good idea. Back when I worked in places that hired interns, I would have loved to hear news of their graduation. The office had invested resources in hiring/training the interns and usually they just dropped off the planet.
An announcement like this doesn’t seem like begging for gifts, either. It sends the message, “I enjoyed my time working with you in the summer of 200x, and would like to keep in touch.” Kind of like a thank-you note: courteous and friendly.
Second on the Yippeeeeee for graduation!!!!!!!
I say go for it. The AG’s office where I’ve worked for the past year was always getting updates from former interns (granted the people made it a fantabulous place to work…), and they loved it. In my experience, if you were good, they are more than willing to go to bat for you, and so a gentle reminder that you will soon be joining the real world is in order. :-)
Agree – if they liked you then they’ll be glad to hear of your success, and it will keep your name in their minds for future openings – Congratulations!
I think it’s great to keep up the suggestion with former employers. In today’s economy, you can’t have enough connections.
But I think I’d rather send them a notecard with a message rather than an official, printed graduation announcement. Just like, “I can’t believe I’m finally at graduation, and thanks so much for your help, I really learned a lot from working with you…” whatever.
My first law school internship was with a judge, and she suggested I do my next internship in a faraway state, just for an adventure. I followed her advice and have been practicing in a pretty exotic locale for 4 years. I send her cards and keep reminding her it was her idea. :)
Hi all. I’m going to INTA’s Consideration for Careers in Trademark Law this upcoming week. It is at Fordham law school and is a panel discussion with attorneys in the field. I don’t know if I will actually have a chance to meet any of the attorneys. Any suggestions on what to wear?
Suit, no hesitation. All networking events call for a suit.
It’s better to be overdressed than underdressed… and yes, a suit is always what-to-wear to a networking event in my experience.
Do you think a nice sweater with the suit would work or should I go the button-up shirt route?
Sweater. More comfortable (is for me, anyhow) and if things look a little more casual when you get there, you can take your jacket off and feel more fitting-in. Easier for traveling, too, if you’re staying over night. Stick a fancy necklace and change of earrings in your handbag, and you’re set to go into evening, too.
Events like this are well worth attending, you can set up life-long relationships, be meeting these same people again at some other event 30 years from now.
I’ve never done well with button up blouses – I’m a C-cup and that leads to some blouse gappage issues that just aren’t worth it – so yes, sweater is fine, and less likely to wrinkle. Go with a solid and a necklace – a patterned sweater might look too casual
I LOVE thicker heels. Skinny heels put so much more stress on your ankles.
And they gets caught in subway grates, ruining your day!
Does anyone have any good tips for ordering a swimsuit. I typically try on all of my clothing in store before buying and have NEVER ordered a swimsuit before. There doesn’t seem to be much selection for swimwear in the stores near me currently. I am plus size, so the selection is even further limited.
Has anyone purchased swimwear from Lands End? How is the quality & fit? Any suggestions for other stores?
Land’s End’s quality is definitely good — their swimsuits are very popular where my family vacations (my mother can usually pick out one out of every three or four women is wearing one). I would say the age range of the wearers are late 30s to mid 60s, all moms, variety of shapes but generally curvy. Generally flattering suits.
I haven’t experienced Land’s End swimwear, but my mom absolutely swears by it (and she’s very stylish, so I draw on her experience to speak highly of the brand). The quality is fantastic; her swimsuits from there have only been replaced for fun, as ones from years ago are still in great shape. Look into their return policy — she usually buys two sizes and returns one.
I love my Lands End bathing suit. I have a very large chest, and they make suits for that, which is reallllly nice. The best thing to do? Check the Lands End Outlet on the website– I found my normally $100+ suit for $30. Nothing wrong with it– just a discontinued color.
Have you seen the new book by Charla Krupp, “How To Never Look Fat Again?” She has a whole chapter on ordering swimsuits. She suggests Lands End, Spanx, and some other. Her suggestion is to mail order, but order your size, plus a size up and a size down. Order a whole bunch of options — you know you’ll be returning some, so what difference does it make if you have to return a few more.
J crew also has really awesome selection if you fall into “normal” size ranges. They carry some D-cup stuff too.
My other swimsuit buying tip is NEVER buy a swimsuit that is solid that doesn’t have a dark liner. Flesh color does not do a good enough job covering up, particularly after chlorine or salt water “eats” your suit a bit.
Lands End swimsuits are awesome. I haven’t ordered one in a year or two, but if I recall, their catalog gives you an awful lot of detail about each suit (degree of support, cut of the legs, etc) and I’ve never been misled by those descriptions or the size chart. The quality is very good.
The best $23 I’ve spent in years involved going to LLBean’s website (but you can try this strategy anywhere) and buying every bathing suit that looked remotely plausible in the size I thought I was plus one size larger and one size smaller. After the purchase hit $150, the shipping cost does not increase. I think I ordered $700 worth of bathing suits. I tried them all on in the comfort of my home; quit when I got tired, didn’t even try on the ones I could eliminate (if the 10 was too big, no need to try on the 12). Identified 4 finalists, came back to them a couple of days later, got it down to two. Taped the bag back up, slapped on the $6.95 return sticker and was so happy with myself and my new suits.
Yep, I have purchased swimsuits from Lands End. I like that they have D and DD cup suits. Quality is great and size charts are accurate.
I just got 3 mix and match tankinis from Lands’ End, and I love them! I am a DD/DDD (depending on the time of the month) and a 12-16. I laid out all day yesterday in one of my suits. At the end of the day, nothing was sagging, no leg openings were pinching, and I felt attractive. The tankini tops are long and a lot of the bottoms come up fairly high, so I would feel comfortable (for the first time!!) playing beach volleyball and not be afraid that jumping for the ball would show off my gut flapping around (yay! and sorry for the visual). I agree with others – buy bigger and smaller than you think you are. And don’t forget to Google for coupon codes (as you should *never* have to pay for shipping when shopping online). Good luck!!
I second all of these comments — I find that the suits run fairly true to size (I am between an 8 and 10 in their pants, and an 8 and 10 in their suits). The fabrics are of good quality, the linings are dark (which means the suits stay opaque when wet) the shapes are really flattering, and you have a ton of options, even with a larger chest. Actually, it was the only place I could find an attractive one piece at a reasonable price in my bra size. Love, love, love. If you shop online and have questions, they also have an instant chat function which allows you to ask questions and get an immediate response. I’d say go for it!
P.S. If you sign up for their e-mails, they will send you free shipping codes and discount codes that often don’t appear on their website or elsewhere (e.g., I usually use retailmenot, and I haven’t seen Lands’ End e-mail codes show up there).
I love tankinis – no pulling, able to use the restroom without going through any bizarre contortions, and you can (or at least should be able to) get a top that fits and a bottom that fits – which is big since almost eveyrone is differen sizes on the top and bottom
I agree with everything that has been said about Lands’ End swimwear. I also recommend Miraclesuit. They make some flattering, basic options in plus sizes. Macy’s carries Miraclesuit in stores (in plus sizes! try it on in person! shocking!) and Lane Bryant has Miraclesuit online.
Fantastic quality and good fit in plus size. Eddie Bauer also has good options.
If you are tall, or have a long torso, consider a suit cut for this. Makes all the different about the straps not cutting into your shoulders, ouch, so annoying.
i looove this suit:
http://www.target.com/Merona-Bandeau-Shirred-One-Piece/dp/B001JA586G/ref=br_1_1?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=1&searchView=grid5&searchNodeID=13706071&node=13706071&sr=1-1&searchRank=salesrank&searchPage=1&searchSize=90&id=Merona%20Bandeau%20Shirred%20One%20Piece&qid=
I just have to share my love for this tank top from Target:
http://www.target.com/Merona-Plus-Solutions-Shirred-Shoulder/dp/B002V0EA8K/ref=br_1_4?ie=UTF8&frombrowse=1&searchView=grid5&searchNodeID=16259151&node=16259151&sr=1-4&searchRank=salesrank&searchPage=1&rh=tgt_26%3ASleeveless&searchSize=30&id=Merona%20Plus%20Solutions%20Shirred%20Shoulder&qid=
It’s part of the “fit solutions” line, which has a power-mesh underlayer built in. The entire line was on sale at our neighborhood Target the other day, and I got a “wrap” dress, this tank, and a skirt. The tank is so far the best piece – I have worn it twice, under suit jackets, and it wears like a dream. The neckline is not too low, the fabric does not show stains, and the mesh underlayer means I can forgo wearing Spanx or a bra tank underneath. I think it would also be great for travel, as it doesn’t wrinkle and the fabric is the kind you could wash and then drip-dry if you had to. I am ordering a couple more of these, I love mine so much.
I’m intrigued by the idea, but it looks awful on the model – like it’s going across her boobs or something. Does it fit you right in person? I wouldn’t even look at it based upon the model shot, but I’m intrigued by your recommendation.
Yes, it actually fits very well. I am not sure what’s going on in the photo – I wear a 38D bra, bought a size 1, and I didn’t have any trouble with where the seam landed in relation to my breasts. I think sometimes Target chooses photo models with odd proportions – I have another shirt from Target that is extremely cute on me, but on the website it looks awful – I would never have bought it if I hadn’t seen it in person first. Either that, or their clothing stylist doesn’t know what they’re doing with clothes for larger women. If you order it and it doesn’t work, you shouldn’t have much trouble returning it to an actual store, since it isn’t an “online exclusive” item.
One interesting note – my best friend went into her neighborhood Target the other day looking for the Gaultier line, and was told that Target has a new policy where they are consolidating the high-fashion stuff into the stores that sell the most of it. So anyone who likes the designer stuff at Target – if you don’t see it where you normally shop, you may have to visit a different store to find what you’re looking for.
HELP! How do I turn my conservative navy pinstripe suit into a fashion forward statement? I’m working with a creative (media) industry.
Thank you!
How exciting to have the opportunity to stretch your style into new, creative places!
Scarves are a great place to start. So many colors and patterns to choose from! I love 100% silk scarves, and look for them in off-price stores like Marshall’s, Ross, and TJMaxx. I also recently found this eBay seller with tons of silk and cashmere/pashmina scarves at good prices: http://stores.ebay.com/pablosalon
In my experience, many women are unsure how to wear scarves, and so really notice them on others. Here’s a good site for tying a bunch of different scarf knots: http://www.texeresilk.com/cms-neck_wrap.html
This woman has a huge and gorgeous collection of scarves. She posts photos on her blog: http://www.unefemme.net/search/label/Scarves
Beyond scarves, I’d recommend vintage brooches and funky shoes.
eBay is the very best place to get amazing silk scarves. I look for Anne Klein and Echo brands. They’re usually priced around $10-$15 with low shipping. I would never pay full price for a scarf after buying them from eBay.
Can you provide more details? Are you interviewing with someone in this industry? Giving a presentation? Working with them on a project?
Frankly, a conservative navy pinstripe suit just ISN’T going to look like a fashion forward, artsy outfit. If you have to wear the suit (as opposed to starting from scratch, which is my suggestion) the best you can do is a fun top underneath and splurge on accessories.
chi – more details: I need to look like I can compete in the fashion world, but my body really does best in jacket/pant combos.
So, if you could start from scratch what would you build? And if we keep the suit and turn up the accessories, does that mean big jewelry? Can you tell I’m a fish out of water here?
If the issue is that you’d rather do a jacket/pant combo, I would suggest ditching the navy pinstripe and going for separates. Maybe a basic pair of neutral pants paired with a funkier jacket and top underneath. I’m recalling a mustard yellow Nanette Lepore jacket that was posted on here a few months back – something like that, if not necessarily in that price range, that will really stand out and make it clear that you have a style all your own.
As for big jewelry: I wouldn’t do this unless that will be a natural look for you and you won’t feel odd/out of place wearing it. If you want to go for it, I like chainmail-inspired necklaces (or even a bib necklace) with otherwise subdued clothes. Also possibly a big cocktail ring if you’ve got one that would be appropriate, or a cuff bracelet. You could also try a menswear inspired watch if you’ve got one. Again, though, I’m not sure I would invest the time/money on a ton of new accessories unless this is a sure-fire thing OR you independently like the pieces for your everyday life.
Shorts suits and suits with sleeves rolled up are the new 2010 Spring trend. While they are clearly not appropriate for most law offices, I think you could easily pull this off in the fashion world. Real Simple featured a make-over with shorts suits, as well. There was actually, a cool, trendy looking long-short navy blue suit. The shorts were knee-length and cuffed and the jacket was nipped at the waist, just slightly. It looked awesome on the 40-soemthing model. The other makeover was in a shorter shorts-suit, but the sleeves of her jacket were rolled once giving it a cool, trendy look, too. Try rolling your sleeves once or twice. Maybe find a capri-length suit. Try a long-shorts suit. Try long, fun jewelry. You can get away with SO much more in the fashion industry.
Talbots Example: http://www1.talbots.com/online/browse/product_details.jsp?id=prdi24450&rootCategory=cat70008&catId=cat80022&sortKey=Default§ion=Regular&conceptIdUnderSale=cat70008
Neiman Marcus Example:
http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/catalog/prod.jhtml?itemId=prod100250113&parentId=cat19670733&masterId=cat19670732&index=19&cmCat=cat000000cat000001cat17740747cat19670732cat19670733
I have been watching that D&G suit, but the jacket’s been gone forever.
I agree; the best you can do is play with the shirt and accessories. But I do think you can make the suit look less buttoned-up and a bit ironic. Try a white shirt with ruffles that fill out the neckline and perhaps even line the cuffs, add shoes with some edge, carry a bag in a bright color or with some hardware, and go bold with the jewelry.
I like http://www.youlookfab.com for styling tips that make tailored pieces a little funky. Try, e.g.: http://youlookfab.com/2008/12/18/sticking-up-for-the-suit/
Can you get it altered? 3/4 sleeves or short sleeves might be a start. I think you want to try and look like you are playing with the idea of menswear so you could wear a really frilly feminine pink floral top and a pink shoe or something. Or if you could find the right top wear a girlish top, and a tie, or the tie as a belt somehow.
You could wear a really simple shell under it and then layer a lot of bright long necklaces. Stick with some sort of fun colored and open toed shoe. Go into a Bebe or Express and see how they have their suited mannequins displayed and accessorized.
No – short sleeve suits are horrible! I’m also not crazy about 3/4 sleeves… but short sleeve suit jackets look like you’re a throwback/reject from the 80s
Really? I think they can be super cute! Not for court, or even for a lawyer, but maybe for someone trying to look artsy. Not elbow length, but maybe a bit of a puff/cap sleeve?
If you want to look fashionable I’d just try to look as classic, elegant and polished as possible. No one ever looks unfashionable in a well-tailored, timeless suit. Add a colorful silk scarf (google for guides on how to tie it) for extra elegance.
I’m not sure ‘fashion forward’ is going to happen with a conservative navy pinstripe suit, but for ‘fashionable’ I have seen colleagus use long necklaces and interesting shells to great effect… dont’ go too incongruous though – that always looks dated and strange to me
Menswear has been all over the runways here recently. Could you pair the pants with a larger coat? If you did that, you could put maybe a wrap blouse underneath, roll up the sleeves on the jacket and belt with a bright colored belt (or do the 80s prep-roll on the pants), pair it with funky gladiator heels, add a ton of pearls with a brooch (or just buy one of those layered necklaces … or two or three of them). Don’t forget a cocktail ring, and maybe a funky updo. I wouldn’t do ALL of these together, but here recently it seems like the recommendation to take one piece off before you walk out of the house might not be the case. And also – bring a funky bag, not a boring brown briefcase!
It might be worth your while to plan on spending some money and take the suit to a funky boutique and get the advice of the sales people there to help you style. Then you can buy on-trend pieces that will mix with your more traditional wardrobe and get great advice from people who are more familiar with your industry. Good luck!!
For the money, Farinaz makes the BEST tailored button up shirts. And you can get them cheapest at MyShape.com. Free shipping both ways if you hate them. They class the hell out of suit when the jacket is off.
I’ve just returned from Spring Break vacation, and so I’ve been out of the Corporette loop. What a week to miss! C or shall I say, Kat, you did the big reveal. Although you are not how I pictured in my mind, you are a beautiful lady. Congratulations on all your successes. You are a woman who knows how to hustle (a Corporette to the fullest).
Ahhhhh, the days of Spring Break Vacation! :)
It seems you all love to try things on at home and send back, may I suggest MyShape.com. Free shipping both ways, size suggestions, but I always take a size smaller cause they size you bigger than usual. They have sales ALL the time, and allow you to shop by outfit, and keep things in a wish list and watch for them to go on sale. The BEST thing is free shipping both ways. I just try it on, able to use my correct undergarments, shoes, etc. And see what I think. Good find. Try it out.
Ps, those strappy shoes look completely not supportive and uncomfortable. I would NEVER buy them.
Yes — they’re obviously weekend shoes, but since I actually want to walk/move on the weekends, having a 3 inch heel seems counterintuitive.
I bought this blazer at gap today because I had 30% off: http://www.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=26677&vid=1&pid=498925
I was planning to wear it as a light spring jacket with jeans, but then it occurred to me I can probably wear it with nicer pants for work. My question is what color pants will work best with this? For some reason I have a hard time deciding what works with khaki, even though I suppose it’s technically a neutral.
I’d say black, navy, or green.
Can anyone tell me how Talbot’s sizing runs, compared to Ann Taylor or Banana Republic? thanks in advance
I bought a couple of jackets from Talbots in a recent online sale, using their size chart as a guide. In a broad sense, the sizing is the same as BR’s. I ordered my usual size, and the jackets fit perfectly in the bust and across the shoulders. But the styling is much boxier, especially compared to BR’s fitted look, so depending on your preferences and particular body shape, you may want to size down.
I love Talbots – and I have found that their sizes run a little big — But I also find Ann Taylor’s sizing to run a little large as well. I understand that Talbot’s has the most liberal return poicy – they take back clothes way after the 30 day receipt period, for cash
I find that Talbot’s tops work best in petites for me, whereas I wear regular in Ann Taylor or Banana Republic. I think I also order a size down compared to Banana Republic, but maybe the same as Ann Taylor? (I don’t think I’ve bought anything at Ann Taylor since they’ve sort of redesigned, so maybe their sizes changed?). I don’t think I’ve ever actually bought pants from Talbot’s.
I tried on a few lined wool pants there last month and found that they were shorter than what I’m used to at AT/BR and have higher rises. I am 5’5″ and think I would need to go to the tall if I wanted pants I could wear with heels. I’d stick with the signature fit for now as you’ll probably find the other fits to be too high-waisted if you’re used to the AT/BR cuts.
I’ve found the sizes to be similar but the cuts to be quite different – Talbots has lovely clothes but I just can’t find any pants there that would fit me without extensive alterations (i.e., if you are very curvy you may have the same issue).
thanks everyone!
I am a L/14 at AT and a LP/16P at Talbots. AT’s regular sizes tend to be cut small enough for taller petites (I’m 5’4″) but I still need petites at Talbots. The size charts on Talbots’ website are accurate.
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