Wednesday’s Workwear Report: Janet Tie-Neck Cotton Poplin Shirt
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The tie on this tie-neck blouse from Universal Standard is a little bit unusual, but I like it. I think I would describe it as somewhere in between a bow tie and a traditional women’s tie-neck bow? It might be fun to try out, and if you hate it, it’s removable and you’re still left with a great button-up.
Universal Standard includes hidden snaps at the bust to prevent awkward gaps, so this top is a win all around.
The blouse is on sale for $86.40-$92.40, marked down from $154, at Universal Standard and comes in sizes equivalent to 00-40.
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There was a comment late yesterday that mouth breathing is caused by childhood neglect. If that poster (or the others from that thread) are still around, I’d like to hear your thoughts. What should be done differently in early childhood?
I’ve been a mouth breather my entire life. I’ve seen several ENTs starting from early childhood; had my tonsils and adenoids out at 5 which didn’t fix things, deviated septum surgery at 13 which fixed some, and 2 surgeries since. I see an ENT regularly who has advised against more procedures and do all the sprays and meds now.
I was made fun of a lot as a kid for breathing loudly, and I’ve noticed my 3 year old snores and have an appointment at a pediatric ENT for her. Maybe I am just really sensitive but I don’t want to carry over my own medical issues to her, and yesterday’s post was the first time I’ve heard that mouth breathing is caused by medical neglect. If you believe that, how? What needs to be caught earlier or differently? I don’t want folks to look at my daughter in 30 years and make fun of her bc I was a neglectful parent.
For my own case my breathing issues would have been fixed by a palate expander and myofunctional therapy in childhood, easy peasy. Children’s bones haven’t fused yet so they don’t have to get anything broken to fix the issues, it’s much easier to heal from and a significantly less invasive procedure. Fixing it as an adult is not really feasible because I need to work a real job and can’t be out for extensive time while my whole jaw is busted and wired. Instead I took the ‘realistic’ option which means having a bunch of appliances and therapies which will get me to 70% but I can talk and won’t have various broken bones for 2 years.
Do you have proper tongue posture?
My mid-30’s palate expander was a relatively mild experience. There was no busting my jaw and wiring. There was no missed work. They just put it in and I expanded with a key once a week for a year.
Am I missing something? I don’t see anything there implying that it’s a neglect issue if you check it out and there’s nothing to be done? I’m like you and have also always had trouble breathing through my nose, plus a billion ear infections. I had many appointments with ENTs and allergists as a child (and some as an adult), but the only surgeries they recommended were multiple rounds of ear tubes and I don’t have any allergies that explain the stuffy and runny nose, just non-allergic rhinitis. I take meds for that, which help some, but ultimately, there’s just not a cure for everything.
The exact comment yesterday was:
No not comment on it ever because it’s an expensive and insive fix to rectify childhood neglect.
Oh, I guess I should add in response to the comment above that I actually did also have palate expanders when I had braces, but I don’t think they had any noticeable effect on my breathing. My main issue is that my nose is often stuffy or runny, and they definitely didn’t help that.
Unfortunately sometimes the neglect was on the part of the medical providers who checked things out. (My lifelong genetic immune deficiency was not diagnosed until I was an adult, and not by the first doctors I saw either.)
Also have a genetic immune deficiency and agree that the medical neglect and complacence played a big role in the delay in diagnosis.
I didn’t see a comment about neglect specifically when I skimmed the thread but the person may have been referring to lack of nutrition and dental care. Poor nutrition in utero and in the first years of life is associated with incomplete development of the facial bones and dental arch.
Not even just poor nutrition—a reliance on soft foods also causes some of this. Make sure your kids are chewing often!!
Most parents are balancing multiple concerns, which for many includes getting their child to eat anything at all. People will always try to feed their kids a variety of foods, but parents are also advised not to force their kids to eat anything so some kids are just not going to eat a ton of crunchy or chewy foods.
The mom-blaming has really got to end. Every conceivable issue an adult might ever have is now being blamed on inadequate maternal performance, and unfortunately there are conflicting mandates about almost everything. There is only so much mothers can do. At some point you have to accept that personal responsibility and also the luck of the draw also exist.
I mean, your excuse is valid. It doesn’t mean there isn’t a consequence to it.
I don’t see anyone “mom-blaming.” This discussion so far has been about general neglect and no one has singled out mothers.
To add to this, there’s a very interesting book from the 1930s called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston A. Price. Full warning that the foundation that bears his name today has almost NO relation to what his book was actually about and has gone full unhinged MAHA/anti-vax, but the original book is fascinating. He was a dentist who traveled the world and commented on how traditional/ancestral diets appeared to be associated with much better oral and facial development (palate/teeth/arch/sinuses/jawline) and almost no dental decay or cavities, whereas the second generations that were introduced to western foods via colonialism had almost immediate negative effects. The photographs are very striking. I don’t recommend treating the book as gospel truth (it’s very much of its times and not a rigorous scientific analysis) but it’s fascinating and suggestive.
From my own perspective – my parents made fun of me for mouth breathing my whole life but never took me to an ENT. I realized in my 30s that my septum was horribly deviated and needed to be surgically fixed. I had the surgery and I’m honestly shocked at how many things in my life it helped with – I don’t get sick as often, sicknesses clear more easily, swimming isn’t painful, I can sleep better, etc. etc.
My oldest needed tonsil and adenoids removed and ear tubes placed at 3 but since then was able to breath easily and slept through the night without snoring. It was also a night and day difference in sickness/recovery – that’s what I would mean by neglect. As my ENT said – little kids shouldn’t snore like a passed out old man. I didn’t know that since loud snoring/gasping/startling awake was ‘normal’ in my family and I was told to ignore it.
Yes, a lot of people treat this as a good manners and socialization issue and think that criticism will fix it, as if children (or adults) just need enough negative feedback and they’ll choose to breathe differently.
My parents frequently advised me to breathe differently (mouth breathing was a huge target of bullying in school, so I was already careful to breathe as discretely as possible). I needed different interventions, but they worked, and I sleep so much better now.
I am also a mouth breather. My pediatric dentist pointed it out immediately because my gums were puffy. We didn’t do anything about it and it doesn’t really bother me. I don’t snore. My septum is indeed deviated but I don’t currently have interest in surgically correcting it unless things get worse.
Whoever said mouth breathing is because of neglect is wildly off base.
This is neglect though; you’re just choosing to neglect it which is different from a parent neglecting it in a young child. It’s definitely bad for your health.
(I’m not blaming your parents; I’m not sure if the dentist didn’t emphasize this enough or failed to refer you appropriately or what actually happened. Usually parents want the best for their kids, but pediatric providers don’t always communicate, or they give the impression that kids may just grow out of things.)
My mom discovered she was allergic to most commercial toothpastes—manifesting in puffy/bleeding gums and bad breathing. She solved that problem and things improved for her.
I’m planning to lean into menswear this autumn. Anyone have tips for integrating ties into your wardrobe? I’m thinking a patterned suit and tie with an oxford, to start.
This site is very femme and conservative. I’d suggest looking at Instagram since there are a lot of masc and NB corporate style influencers.
I use incorporate menswear more on the quirky side, rather than in a more androgenous way. I like use 36 inch or larger scarves folded into a small long rectangle then tie in a windsor knot. White shirt + vest + tie is also another popular look but you need to strike the right balance to avoid catering waiter.
@ Taylor.a.jones showed up on my feed last week and I loved her style. She has a bespoke suit brand, so is advertising for it, but I liked her color combinations.
Where is your preferred place to sell old but good clothes? Thredup? Posh? Individual resale sites like LaFleur? Local consignment?
i have tried consignment and the real real. both have led to me to determine that it’s not worth my time and energy to sell. I either hold on to things or i put them in the rummage and imagine and intrepid thrifter making a video about finding a pair of ferrgamo shoes….
I have a local consignment store. It’s only worth it for high end stuff that is in impeccable condition. I get paid in store credit and have gotten fun stuff that way. Anything else I just donate – it’s frustrating for the mid level stuff in great shape but it’s never worth the hassle to sell honestly.
Poshmark.
It’s a privilege of not having to, so I don’t anymore but have. Thredup is worthless, poshmark is the best but most time consuming (you need good photos of the actual pieces and the info about what they are to sell them, so original retail information). Realreal takes too much of a cut, eBay is a hassle, local resale shops also usually take too much of a cut to make it worth your time. I give my good castoffs to my friends’ kids who are starting out and love a still good handbag and blazer – for them it’s vintage. The rest I donate.
I stopped trying to sell stuff. Unless it’s designer it’s not worth it. Donate.
This: it’s just not worth my time. Also, I remember when I relied heavily on a good consignment store to make my outfits more stylish/professional on a limited budget. I’m happy to pay it forward now.
This blouse looks like some sort of uniform – hotel front desk staff? I do not like it.
I saw it and instantly thought “candy striper” and “nope”
It’s the weird tie.
Anyone tried Neem (custom jeans)? They have a pop up near me later this week, and I’m tempted …but the jeans are over $200 and I’d love to hear IRL experiences.