Coffee Break: Oui Necklace

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1. thoughts on the detention/deportation of the Brown doctor? While I do think due process should be followed and proper due process wasn’t in this case, i do think that perhaps there is evidence that she supported terrorists/terrorist activities?

   1. The evidence provided thus far is that she (and 10,000 other people) attended the funeral of the Hezbollah leader. Just to be clear. How attending someone’s funeral is providing material support to terrorism, is beyond me, unless maybe she paid to attend?

      1. A funeral? This is like Sophocles’ Electra playing out in real life.

   2. I don’t know. After seeing No Other Land this week, I am really struggling with how we assign the label of “terrorist.” But maybe it is fair that the U.S. government can pick a side in a fight between two terrorist organizations and try to keep out folks who give support to the side we didn’t pick.

      1. Gotcha, so you think it’s ok if every 4 years, when power switches hands, the new party in power decides what foreign political movements they don’t like, and deport lawful U.S. residents for agreeing (not funding or otherwise abetting) with those movements?

         The civic education in this country is truly pitiful.

         1. hasn’t Hezbollah been a designated terrorist organization for quite some time?

            1. Sure but no prior administration deported lawful U.S. residents for merely agreeing with Hezbollah.

            2. Yes – by multi western governments for like the last twenty plus years due to, amongst other things, the civilian airplane hijacking and the bombing of US and French soldiers in their barracks in a Beirut.

         2. i’m the anon at 3:19 and of course i don’t think its ok to deport, but i think suggesting that every 4 years the designated terrorist groups just randomly switch is misleading.

         3. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. I was pointing out how capricious the system is. No, I do not think agreeing with any political movement in any country should be grounds for deportation.

      2. ‘Terrorist’ is just code for people the government doesn’t like, they’re trying to charge Luigi Mangione with terrorism.

         1. In the case of Hezbollah it really is not. They have been considered a terrorist organization for decades and engaged in old school terrorists behavior like hijacking planes with civilians on them.

         2. He should be. And to be clear Hamas and Hezbollah are terrorist organizations and I have real issues with apologists for all of them.

            1. First Amendment. Tough luck.

   3. Help me break it down. I’m honestly confused about the case and since there are lawyers here figure its the right group.

      When you get a visa, presumably they ask you if you have any terrorist sympathies.

      Presumably she said no and got this visa.

      Then she went back to Lebanon, with a Brown University-affiliated nonprofit, and went to the funeral. When she came back she told Customs she had been there – and she was allowed in.

      I don’t know where the grounds to get deported later on is in this? Even if she is a Hamas sympathizer shouldn’t that have come up when she got a visa? And if the funeral was such a big deal why did CBP let her back into the country?

      1. I guess there is no chance that the dead person was family? Because that is a big, big trip to take otherwise.

         1. I can’t imagine she would have gotten her initial permit if she was a relative of a Hezbollah leader. She went to the funeral because she was a fan of his teachings.

         2. If she traveled to Lebanon with a NFP, surely the funeral wasn’t the only purpose of the trip? Or how big a trip was the funeral from wherever she was already in Lebanon?

      2. I think she wasn’t allowed back into the country once she returned from Lebanon. She also didn’t tell CBP she had been at the funeral– I think she just said she was visiting family. ICE apparently found deleted photos/texts that were sympathetic to Hamas and knew she had been at the funeral.

         The bigger question is how they knew she was there (reportedly several thousand people attended) and why they searched her phone, including deleted photos, upon arrival, because that seems really invasive.

         When the family started fighting the deportation and when her attorneys were trying to get publicity, the Hamas affiliation wasn’t public yet. Her attorneys withdrew after the Hamas affiliation went public.

         1. Are you saying that being sympathetic to Hamas is being “affiliated” with Hamas? Found the thought police!

            1. She was deported not jailed. She can have her views but I disagree that the US should be giving residency permits to people who support organizations that kill US soldiers in their beds or hijack civilian aircraft. Residency is a privilege not a right.

            2. 4:01 is exactly right.

            3. 4:01 is exactly right.

               Also Trump is literally dismantling the Dept of Education and RFK is giving everyone measles and bird flu. I’m sorry I’m not going to get worked up about a terrorist sympathizer being deported even if she hasn’t done anything technically illegal. This is like not even in the top 1 million bad things this admin is doing.

         2. I thought it was a Hezbollah funeral. She allegedly said that she supported and admired him from a religious perspective.

            Though no matter what she thought/said, there is still due process that should be applied. If the due process was followed and it was found that she engaged in activities that are a threat to national security, or whatever the legal standard is, then that is one thing. But court orders are being sidestepped left and right which is making a mockery of the US 3 branch system

         3. Your phone can always be searched at immigration/entry. She knew to delete the pictures but didn’t realize they would be found. Some people recommend traveling with only a burner phone and wiping it before arrival.

   4. Detaining and expelling these folks who may be less sympathetic defendants so to speak is a test if Americans are willing to look the other way and let it happen.
      A French academic was just turned away and sent back when he flew to the US for a conference. His phone was searched and he was found to have text messages that were negative to the current administration.
      Private citizens’ political speech will be challenged by this administration, probably sooner rather than later.

      1. Meep, I think I’m going to need to bring a burner phone on my next trip to the US.

      2. This case is also worrying. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/german-national-green-card-holder-immigration-detention-fabian-schmidt-rcna196714
         German Engineer with a green card, detained, mistreated two weeks ago, and still being held without charge. His lawyer and family say a decade old MJ possession is the only thing on his record. What is the reason they are detaining this guy?

         1. I was just going to post this too.

         2. this case is extremely disturbing. to me in the case the OP posted is (1) was due process/the legal requirements/procedures to deport someone? and the answer to that seems like No. and then part (2) if there were to be an actual hearing and due process followed, is there an actual argument to be made by the U.S. government that attending the funeral, her comments, pics on phone, etc. satisfy a criteria to revoke her legal status? and i am not an immigration law expert, but the answer to that seems like maybe, but again I dont know the case law.

      3. To me this is the scarier case because he had not even shared those views on social media. It was his private views of the current administration on his phone.

         The Brown doctor attended the Hezbollah funeral and voiced support for the teachings of the leader of a decades old terrorist organization.

      4. Yeah that French guy getting turned away made my stomach drop.
         Make sure you add a PIN or pattern to your phone. If you can unlock it with just your face, so can an agent/cop/ICE.

         1. They are entitled to check phones within 100 miles of any international airport as well. Won’t be long before they are using that power as well if they are already using powers from 1798.

            1. Please cite a source for this, as that runs against my understanding of constitutional law.

            2. I thought it was within 100 miles of a border crossing – not an airport.

            3. Airports are border crossings, as are ports. Something like 2/3 of the continental US falls under this paradigm.

            4. Please stop confidently spreading misinformation. The 100 mile zone is coasts and land borders. ICE/CBP have the right to ask for immigration-related documents but not to seize and search phones.

               Here is the ACLU explainer: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone

         2. They can take your phone if you don’t give them the PIN or unlock it for them. They could do this even before Trump, but obviously the stakes are higher now.

            1. Police can seize, but cannot search, a citizen’s phone, if they are arresting you, unless Riley’s been overturned. Searching requires a warrant.

               It’s been a while since I’ve done a pure seizure case, but I do not believe they could seize your phone without arresting you unless they believe it is evidence in another case. If I am wrong, would love to hear the case cite to the contrary.

            2. Yes, they can take it, but they can’t force you to unlock it without a warrant – I am not a lawyer but that’s how it’s been explained to me. But using your face to unlock it is permissible. Something about a testimonial act.

            3. CPB are not the police. You’re not entitled to the protections of being on American soil before you enter the country. This is why people take precautions such as burner phones.

            4. That is inaccurate, anon @4:32. Multiple courts have now extended Riley to the border context for citizens. I’m not aware of any post-Riley cases going the other way but welcome the cites if you have them.

               (Of course non-citizens are not entitled to the rights at issue, so I won’t comment on those).

            5. Sorry, my bad. They can’t force you to open your phone, but non-citizens can be denied entry for refusing to do so.

            6. There are different standards that apply at the international port of entry vs the 100 mile border zone. At the border, agents can perform routine searches without reasonable suspicion. Federal circuit courts have held this includes manual searches of cell phones. More intensive forensic searches of cell phones can be done without a warrant at the border, but some courts have held need reasonable suspicion. The Ninth Circuit held, “post-Riley, no court has required more than reasonable suspicion to justify even an intrusive border search. ” United States v. Cano, 934 F.3d 1002, 1015 (9th Cir. 2019).

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2. We’re in that fickle time of year when it swings from 70 degrees to a blizzard in less than a day. When spring feels like it’s never going to be here for good. I have so much angsty, pent-up energy that I can’t seem to expend. Like I can’t totally settle into anything. And everything is still brown and depressing. It’s honestly driving me a little bit crazy. How is everyone else getting through this weird stretch of “sprinter”? Spring cleaning has helped a little bit, I will say.

   1. I’ve wintersowed a bunch of seeds and every day is like Christmas. Having lots of fun checking those.

   2. Chicago here. I feel you! On the rare nice days, I do my best to get outside. Even if it means setting my alarm a little earlier. I put the blinds up in every room. I’ve been shopping for spring (new trench coat, new loafers in a light color, etc.) And I’ve been doing some meal planning thinking spring–peas in things in such. It also helps that a lot of my work projects now are for things happening past June. But, man, it feels like such a slog. And seeing snow again this morning when I wasn’t expecting it was the worst.

      1. The nice weather can be such a tease! I like the idea of doing some advance meal planning.

         1. See chrxtopher.hall on IG today, playing Winter.

3. Help me shop! I’m looking for a classy but colorful spring raincoat — must have a hood. I’m a size 8 but I often take petites.

   1. Lululemon Rain Rebel. I just got it and wore it for a work trip and loved it. I especially love the deep zippered pockets. I’d say it runs one number size small. Twilight Rose is my favorite of the current colors (it’s a deeper pinkish/tan color than the pictures on the s!te).

   2. I LOVE my stutterheim raincoat — a bit expensive but actually waterproof (brand is swedish). They do run large; I’d size down.

      1. someone (maybe you) recommended Stutterheim here late last year when I asked about raincoats for pears, and I really like them, but the one I want (Mossebacke) has been out of stock in all of the colors that appeal to me for a long time! Any idea what their stocking pattern is and when new colors (or old ones that I liked!) might become available?

   3. i’ve seen these a few times on social – https://rainsisters.com/products/fitted-and-flared-coat-with-pleated-skirts-in-beige-and-blue-cornflower-blue

   4. I don’t know if it qualifies as classy, but The North Face often has good colors.

   5. I like London Fog.

4. I’m pretty sure the answer is yes, but curious what others think. Do I have to wear a suit to an interview?
   Relevant details: I’m interviewing for sr mgr/director level IT roles. the one imminently in question is a health insurance company, interviewer is a VP (man).

   I work at a very casual company (typically wear jeans + sweater or fashion blazer). It has been a decade since I had to wear a suit for work and I purged them during the pandemic. I just spent a couple hours at the mall; I was very unimpressed by my options under $500 per piece, and I really don’t want to spend that kind of money for something unlikely to be in regular rotation. AT, BR, Talbot’s and Zara all had no good basics in-store. Nordstrom and Brook Brothers are too pricey. I can try a different mall for J. Crew, but not today. I grabbed a boring Calvin Klein grey suit from Macy’s for under $200 and I think if I change out the buttons and get it tailored it will be OK, but I don’t *like* it. Or, I can hunt for some nice trousers and a lady jacket I might actually wear again. wwyd?

   1. Those Calvin Klein suits at Macys literally exist for interviews, especially at the price point where you know you won’t wear it often. I’d wear the suit even if you don’t love it.

   2. I also work in tech and don’t own a suit. For interviews I wear a black dress or black pants and top, plus a structured jacket in a different neutral color. It’s clear that the pieces are separate and I’m not cobbling together a faux suit. If everything fits well, is in good condition, and the entire ensemble looks polished I don’t think it has to be a suit.

      1. Agree with this. Intentional separates that look polished are the way to go, especially for someone who isn’t looking for an entry level job. Good luck!

   3. Health insurance will trend much more conservative than tech.

   4. I interview for legal positions, so presumably more formal than IT, and the more senior women are usually in a non-matching jacket (like a lady jacket, or a JCrew Going Out Blazer type of jacket) with neutral dress or pants + top underneath.

      1. I’m team dress and jacket separates. I think if you look appropriately dressy and feel great, it doesn’t matter that it’s not a suit. Ditto that I don’t own one anymore.

   5. Insurance company? Absolutely a suit. They’re also very back in style and easy to find. Banana factory has cute ones, Good Morning America just did a whole roundup of suits available on Amazon.

5. My physical therapist mentioned a chiropractor to help my dowager’s hump. I previously assumed all chiropractors were quacks, but I trust my PT. As I over-research this (as usual), I figured it wouldn’t hurt to ask if anyone here has had positive experience with chiropractors for dowagers’ humps.

   1. I think chiropractors are more “buyer beware” (and especially be aware of the risks!) than universally quacks (because the credential says very little). The one my PT works with is the chiropractor who serves the local division 1 sports teams, and he seems to basically do more time intensive versions of what the PT offers, especially the manual deep tissue therapies. I don’t know the answer about dowagers’ humps though.

   2. The only “rule” my GP gave me about chiros was “don’t let them anywhere near your neck,” so I would think that might make the area you’re wanting to have worked on tough. I’d ask your MD for their opinion.

      1. +1

   3. I wouldn’t let a chiropractor anywhere near my neck under any circumstances. It’s so so easy to get a vertebral artery stroke from neck manipulation.

      But what’s going on with your dowager’s hump- Do you by any chance take steroids? Is your thyroid failing?

      1. After 3 pregnancies in 5 years, my breasts went from C cups to G cups and my upper spine in now “hooked”.

   4. I love my chiropractor and highly recommend the practice. There’s a weird contingent here that’s against it and I’ll never understand it.

6. I was like, ooh, finally a jewelry pick I like! And then….

   1. call me unfashionable, but the asymmetry looks like the pendant got turned around!

      1. For $92,000 I’m sure they could fix that for you!

         1. Yeesh! That price tag hurts to look at

7. Does anyone have recommendations for high rise wide leg work pants with really deep pockets for women? I like carrying around my stuff in pockets at work rather than needing to tote around a bag with me everywhere (would need to hold a slim wallet, pens, a few folded pieces of paper/ note cards and a phone with room to spare). I already have two pairs that are PERFECT — with pockets going down past my mid thigh but I found them at the thrift and they appear to have been custom made for a person with my exact measurements. I guess I could also ask a tailor to make deeper pockets for some of my existing pants?

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