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Thursday’s TPS Report: Turquoise Cotton Piqué Bamboo Ring Detail Dress

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Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices. Tahari ASL turquoise cotton piqué bamboo ring detail dressReader V suggested this great dress, noting “I thought this was so bright and cute! Love the buckle detail. Comes in teal and orange.” I agree — it's bright and happy, but a lovely basic (and reminds me a bit of the other blue sheath dress we featured recently). Love that it's cotton pique, and I think the bamboo rings are flattering and fun. It's $89 at Bluefly (available in turquoise and orange). Tahari ASL turquoise cotton piqué bamboo ring detail dress Seen a great piece you'd like to recommend? Please e-mail editor@corporette.com with “TPS” in the subject line. (L-2)

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202 Comments

  1. Looks like a great summer dress. I love the bright blue color.

    Question: Is anybody going bare-legged with dresses and skirts yet? Tights are so not appealing anymore, but I haven’t gotten the nerve to go without yet. (Actually, I’m side-stepping the issue altogether by wearing pants every day, which is getting boring.)

    1. Most people are here, I’d say (my personal take is that bare legs are not really appropriate for very important things, like serious court time and interviews). But I live in the South and we’ve already hit 90 degrees.

    2. I’m not going bare-legged yet (I’m not sure if I will until it gets really sweltering out), but I did start wearing lighter, nude hose. I know some people think it’s more formal, but I don’t.

      1. Lucky people with good weather…it’s rained 40 out of the last 45 days in Seattle and it is the coldest in memory. It’s 39 degrees today and the high is only going to be 50. I’ve been wearing boots and wool slacks every day for a month! Whine, whine, whine.

          2. I am sooooooooo close to done. I’m going to a wedding early tomorrow morning, so I just have to get through today! Funny how long one day can seem…

        2. Yeah, I agree. It’s been especially brutal this spring. There hasn’t been any break — it feels like most years there’s a nice week in February or March that gives us hope.

        4. I am also in the PNW and am wondering….what happened to spring? Sigh. I bought new sandals but have no idea when I will get to wear them. :-(

          1. I’ve got money on when summer will start. Usually my bet is after the Rose Parade (I’m in Portland) but this year I’m thinking it’ll be after the solstice.

      1. I never understood what this has to do with anything. Pale skin looks a lot nicer than cancerous skin.

        1. Some pale skin looks great. Mine, on the other hand (I’m not the original poster, but, as a pale-skinned redhead, I share her problem), tends to look ashen and blotchy, plus I have a lot of visable veins. I usually use some tanner in the summer, which helps, but it’s definitely not my favorite thing.

          1. I’m a pale-skinned redhead with splotchy skin and visible veins too. I guess this is one insecurity the beauty industry failed to foist on me.

          2. I don’t really depend on the “beauty industry” to tell me what looks good or not. I can see pretty well. I’m not really sure what you meant by that response.

          3. OP here: what Lyssa wrote is exactly why I cover my legs.

            Seems like someone wants to pick a fight. No thank you. I have better things to do. Enjoy your day.

          5. @Anonymous – really? You go anonymous and imply that my pale legs are ugly and I should be ashamed of them, and I’m the one looking to start a fight?

          6. Some people like their pale skin while others think that their own pale skin looks bad. It’s not an insecurity. It is just what people think looks good. Why fight about it? Let it go.

          7. I would like to add that if I woke up tomorrow with Kate Middleton’s legs (when she was 15 pounds more ago) I would wear a miniskirt to work every day, over 30 be damned.

      2. Spray tan! Or self-tanner. I also am ghost-white pale, but I’ve been going bare-legged anyway. I put on a little self-tanner this week– working on getting a little more color. I’ll probably suck it up and get a spray tan soon. I look healthier when I’m tanner, but no tanning beds for this girl.

    6. It’s not really warm enough here in MA, but I’m going to a wedding on Saturday and I refuse to wear hose. Luckily, it’s indoors so I’ll probably be okay.

      I also went bare-legged at Easter, but I’ve been avoiding wearing skirts to work for the past week or 2, just because the temps have been iffy.

    7. I busted out the bare legs today! (It is 70 degrees here in the northeast) Woohoo! :)

    8. Definitely. Have been for a month since it started to get warm, with the odd cold day when I still wear tights.

    9. I am wearing pants everyday too but I have seen a couple ladies at my workplace go bare legged

    10. haha me too – I’ve also worn pants all week. I think I’ll feel better about bare legs next week when its May. I don’t know why that makes a difference in my head but it does, but I just cannot put tights back on.

    11. I’m in New England, and I started this week. Today is raining and windy, so it’s pants for me, but skirts, no hose, and peep toes have made appearences thus far. I spent the weekend in DC and was inspired by the beautiful weather. Screw you, winter, I’m ready for spring.

      That said, it definitely looks like I’m wearing white blotchy tights with everything, but hey, that’s just how I look. I’ll live.

    12. We had an unseasonably cold winter (meaning, I actually wore hose most days). Yesterday was 80, and today is supposed to be 77. Yesterday I wore a skirt and slingbacks, with bare legs — my typical warm season attire — for the first time this year.

      Re: “pale” legs, I agree with Cat Lady that staying out of the sun and away from skin cancer is far more important than what color your legs are. My big issue is: how long has it been since I waxed?

    13. PS: I should clarify that bare legs with skirt and slingbacks is my typical warm season *in the office working* attire. Obviously, meetings with clients, court, depositions are suits, closed pumps and hose.

    14. I’m in DC and I see bare legs everywhere. I’ve been wearing dresses and skirts nearly every day. I’ve even worn open toed shoes a few times and I’m not the only one!

    15. Speak of the devil, I’m wearing a dress and bare legs today! I’ve been doing it for maybe a week. I just can’t bring myself to wear tights in late April!

    16. i’ve been going bare-legged for the past week in NYC. I forego the hose once the morning temp goes above 50.

    17. Today is my first day in a skirt with bare legs and peep toes. Less than a week ago it was snowing here. Last night I couldn’t sleep because it was so hot. Gotta love New England!

      And I am see-through, glow-in-the-dark pale. I don’t care. I would look bizarre with a fake tan, and when I do wear hose, I get the palest color possible. No point in hiding what I got.

    18. Today’s my first bare legged day this year! Of course, I’ve also got a cardigan and a pashmina to compensate for lack of leg warmth :).

    19. Too cold for bare legs, although apparently not too cold for them to turn off the building’s heat for the season. I’m wearing wool socks and a wool sweater today.

      1. Freakishly warm in my bit of Europe – four days with bare legs, and two weeks and counting without a jacket! Yippeee! (And we all look pasty, but that’s just the way it is. Twenty minutes in the sun leaves me looking like a lobster, so anything else just looks fake.)

  2. Greetings to my fellow Southeastern Corporettes! I hope everyone weathered the storm (followed by the other storm, and then they other storm, and then the one after that!) yesterday alright. We had a lot of wind and hail, but no damage that I’ve found so far. My husband, who manages a retail store, said that they’re still without power and working in the dark this morning. I did see some interesting shots of familar areas on The Weather Channel this morning.

    2. Glad you made it through, Lyssa. I live in the area where it was bad the day before (and the day before that). It’s a scary time of year to live in the South.

      I have some family members in Tuscaloosa. Luckily, they are all without injury and their property damage is comparatively minimal. It looks just awful there. I got a little freaked out when I saw the magnitude of the destruction and how close to them it all happened.

    3. Nashville skated by without too much damage but there was some in surrounding areas. Scary times.

  3. I ordered the Malia dress Kat featured last week and wanted to report back on fit…
    https://corporette.com/2011/04/19/tuesdays-tps-report-malia-sleeveless-dress/

    as a couple of people commented, just like for the model, the cut makes me look ‘hippy’ – or at least like I have larger hips than I really do (I’m a size 8 hourglass, so I definitely have hips, but this has an extra 1-2 inches of fabric on each side that just sort of sticks out). I really love the color, so I’m considering taking it to my tailor and seeing if they think they could slim down the skirt lines – not sure how easy/expensive this will be to do given that it’s lined? I had to go a size up from my normal size – the torso fits quite small given the size of the skirt part.

    1. I ordered the dress too. The color is fantastic and the material is a nice cotton poplin (not shiny). Like Meg, I found the hips to be much too large and the top to be disproportionately small. Unfortunately, the waist hits much too high on me (I have a long torso and knew it was a risk), so altering the hips won’t fix things for me.

  4. I tried this dress on at Nordstrom last week and it fits great! I knew it was on bluefly though, so I thought I’d order it there instead. I think it runs a tad on the big side. Im usually b/t a 2 and a 4 and the 2 fit perfect — no alterations needed.

    1. Also, I ordered the Boden coat Kat featured a week or two ago and I absolutely love it. It fits perfect! Its a bit heavier than I anticipated, but perfect for Chicago spring/fall.

  5. threadjack— Since I see the midwest handle and mention of Chicago, I thought I’d ask for suggestions of what to do in Chicago for a weekend. I’m going with my boyfriend to my brother’s graduation and will be spending one day alone with my boyfriend and two days with the family. We’ve never gotten to spend any time in the city and are open to anything that is fun and gives us a feel for it– touristy or not– any love outdoor activities (weather permitting). A friend recommended an architectural boat tour. Has anyone done that? Any other suggestions?
    TIA!

    1. The boat tour is great. But my personal favorite attraction is the Shedd Aquarium–right now, there is a really cool jellyfish exhibit and the belugas alone are worth a trip.

    2. Weather permitting, the boat tour is great. Its particularly lovely if the weather is sunny.

      I love taking a walk along the lake when the weather is nice, and I always love walking/shopping along Michigan Ave.

    4. k – the boat tour is lovely but only if it’s not too cold, otherwise it’s a little on the miserable side. I think going up to the Signature Lounge in the John Hancock building would be fun – it’s on the 96th floor so you get a gorgeous view of the city and I think it’s so high up you can even see Indiana! If you’re a foodie, I would definitely book dinner at a restaurant, as Chicago has some amazing restaurants. Some off the top of my head that I would recommend: one sixty blue (Michael Jordan’s restaurant), the Publican, Gilt, Sunda, Sepia (the Obamas celebrated valentine’s day there a few years ago), and Joe’s (amazing seafood and steaks).

      1. Oh, the Signature Lounge is a great suggestion. I normally tell people the Sears Tower isn’t worth the price, but hanging out and having a nice cocktail with a view would be fun.

      2. Sigh. Oh, the Signature Lounge is a great suggestion. I normally tell people the Sears Tower isn’t worth the price, but hanging out and having a nice c–ktail with a view would be fun.

      4. These are all suggestions right out of my book. I’d also add that if you are looking for a good brunch, Publican is great for that too. Ooh, the red wine poached egg …

        I third the Shedd recommendation. Make sure you get downstairs to the shark exhibit, so cool. Also, I really just love walking the park along the lakefront. Stay clear of the running/riding path – seriously, those bikers can be dangerous – but it is so nice and active down there and you get a good feel for the city.

    5. Ooh, a question about my hometown. Do the Wendella river architecture boat tour (they also have an option that includes going out on the lake). What you do for the rest of the day depends on what you enjoy. Here are some options:
      – Great shopping along Michigan Ave.
      – The Lincoln Park Zoo is free and awesome
      – The Museum of the Art Institute of Chicago is hands down the best art museum I’ve ever visited, and I’ve visited most of the major ones in the US and Europe
      – The Shedd Aquarium, Museum of Science and Industry, Field Museum, and Adler Planetarium are also all great.

      Personally, if I had only one day, I’d start at the Art Institute, shop my way down Michigan Ave, and end up with the architecture tour (or do the same in reverse order).

      1. thank you all– this has gotten me excited! still interested in any other suggestions :)

    6. If you have even the slightest interest in baseball, go to a Cubs game. Wrigley Field on a nice day is just spectacular.

  6. Threadjack to the corporettes who do aquagym or aqua aerobics.
    I and some colleagues are considering joining an aqua bike class. We decided to take the challenge as a group and motivate each others. It was initially my idea but I am having second thoughts.
    One of my colleagues is body conscious and I have acne scars on my back and thighs so we both do not feel comfortable donning a swimsuit.
    Is it OK to wear shorts (think lifeguard shorts) on top of a swimsuit? How about leggings or biking shorts?
    I am thinking of explaining the issue to the coach and ask for permission to wear shorts but I would feel awkward if he says only swimsuits are allowed. What do you think?

    1. It’s worth a question to the coach, sure. But above all, be comfortable. The only reason I wouldn’t wear shorts would be for safety (could they get caught in something?), but if that’s the case, racing suits these days are long and go to the knees, and come up to the nape of your neck a lot of the time. Think very thin wet suit.

      Let us know how this activity goes! Sounds interesting and like a fun workout!

      1. It is a great workout because the water resistance is about 9 times superior to air so when you are biking under water, it is like getting a constant massage to your thighs and calfes. According to my coach this is the best cellulite excercise. The plus side is that your heart rate is 10% lower than if you bike on the ground and because of the constant massage from water, you do not get delayed onset muscle soreness (which for e is a buzz killer as I hate to ache).

    2. I have taken swim classes (never aqua aerobics or anything like that) and there are usually a couple of people who either wear shorts or wear them until the last possible moment before slipping them off and jumping in the pool. You might even find that after doing that for a couple of days you are more comfortable than you thought. I’d think that shorts would be more comfortable than leggings, especially if they’re the kind of shorts without a lot of extra fabric.

    3. I think a rash guard and bike shorts would probably be fine, but anything baggy/bulky just makes any sort of swimming activity way too difficult. I don’t think you need to ask permission first. Everyone has different comfort levels, and I don’t think that a coach is going to single people out who prefer to wear more modest swimsuits.

    4. Why don’t you ask the coach in advance? What about a triathalon suit? It might seem pretentious, but it would provide coverage.

      I’ve very self-conscious myself. During one summer program, there were a couple of women associates who were very competitive. They made a big deal of unveiling themselves in their skimpy bikinis at a firm event. They told some associates that they’d spent time planning what suit to wear.

      At the same event there was a summer associate of rather ordinary appearance who had a rather large scar on her leg — I think it was from surgery for cancer. She was wearing shorts. I thought, “Good for her. I couldn’t do that.” The next minute, a senior associate walked up to her and asked her about the scar. It was uncomfortable.

      I wore long pants. It was a hot day and everyone kept asking me if I was too warm. Not a great solution, either.

      —

      My firm had a cheap membership to a great gym. Many people didn’t want to use it.

      1) They didn’t want to be perceived as taking time out from their work (forget that being in shape gives you more focus, relieves stress, increases stamina, etc.);

      2) They didn’t want to encounter naked partners and associates in the locker room. I knew one associate who had so many tattoos (this was before tattoos were common, and I must say, I hate tattoos) he could not be seen in any form other than fully clothed.

      I don’t think your problem is trivial.

      1. I have never understood why people ask questions like that. It seems like common sense would dictate that you shouldn’t ask about someone’s scars, weight gain, hair loss, etc.

        1. You would think people shouldn’t ask about weight, but I have gotten those questions since I’m so thin. It is really frustrating and you would think people know better, but they don’t!

          1. Miriam – I used to be so skinny and really didn’t appreciate comments on my body any more than I do now that I am much heavier. I quit smoking and I used to live on cigarettes and coffee. People are so rude! Of course, people used to comment about my smoking habit as though it was their business even if I was outside. I don’t go around telling heavy people that they don’t need another candy bar. Rude people all around.

          2. Well, I’m glad someone else understands. It is really frustrating and I actually had an old classmate ask, “Miriam, why are you so skinny?” I really went off on him for that. As for the smoking, it’s great that you quit, as you know. I only comment when my friends have recently taken up the habit as finals have begun. But everyone knows smoking is bad so I mention it once and that is it!

      2. You just described my situation!
        The company got a great agreement with a very upscale gym (that I couldn’t afford otherwise).
        I have met my HR manager there and he made a comment about us working out to which I replied I’m sure you noticed our increased performance since we joined the gym.
        I try to keep a somewhat moderate coverage at gym because I know I work with these people.

    5. For modesty reasons, I usually wear board shorts and no one has ever objected. If they did, I would just say this is proper attire intended for water sports.

    7. I would think any clothing designed for use in water would be fine. You could get board shorts, or one of those cute swimsuits with short shorts or a little skirt. Lands End has good options although I don’t know about shipping overseas.

      Usually the objection is to wearing street clothes in the water, not to wearing anything other than a Speedo.

        1. Ow thanks for asking.
          I am far from Marrakech but very VERY angry. In Morocco; we highly depend on tourism and this crazy person hit the epicenter of tourism in Morocco.
          We have no oil, no gold nothing! the only positive thing was tourism and they took it away. I will forever hate whomever did that.

          1. Yes – I’ve spent a bit of time in Morocco, although I no longer have any family in the region so it’s been years. It was scarier for me when they hit the Jewish community in Casablanca, but it is terrible that they hit the Djemaa al Fna too. I have found memories of visiting there. I’m glad you’re ok.

          2. Yes I remember when they also hit the jewish sites among other places.
            I recall I was with this very old man and we were at the Jewish cemetary and I noticed how there was nobody he said: “You know, since the bombing, nobody comes see the dead but hey I am old enough not to fear death” that was probably the saddest thing I ever heard.

          3. That’s just awful. I went to Morocco a few years ago and loved it. And, this alone will not stop me from going again, if I ever get the chance. I had only 1 day in Fes and 1 day in Marrakech – I totally need to go back.

    9. Fwiw, I would wear a swimsuit until just before jumping into the water. I am very thigh conscious (cellulite curse though mild) as I live in a place inhabited by the super slim! Over time I’ve realized that usually people are so busy obsessing about themselves no one will notice your ‘flaws’.

      Take it from someone who lives in what can only be called ‘ perfect swimming pool – land’ and never entered the pool for 8 years…..

      1. I will do the first classes in shorts and then jump in with my swimsuit.
        But I am also asking for my colleague because she is very self conscious and I am supposed to be the motivator/enabler and keep her spirits up.

        1. Lands End has knee length board shorts for women in 2 styles. I recently bought one and am happy with it. I’d like to try the other style and in a different color.

          When swimming, I usually wear a modest tankini top with a t-shirt over it. I haven’t tried that in a gym pool though.

    10. I used to wear a sleeveless, thigh length wetsuit when diving, for warmth and protection from the coral, you might check dive shops for something like that.

      1. I meant knee length, not thigh length. It covered my thighs, and it came up pretty high in the neck.

    11. Extra layers (e.g. board shorts) may fine as long as they are made for the water. I would double check with the facility to see what their policies are. Most places will require patrons to take off “street clothes” before getting in the water for sanitary reasons. For women, any pair of shorts may look like “street clothes” so be sure to clarify the rules and/or see if they are willing to make execptions as long as you ensure them that the shorts have not actually been worn “on the streets” prior to coming to the class. Most places are actually pretty reasonable and relatively sensitive to these types of issues, however, they are also usually staffed with 16 year old lifeguards who are told to enforce the written rules strictly and absolutely. They haven’t developed that sense of judgment we all get as we grow older and they usually fear reprimand from their bosses if they allow bending of any written rules.

      Also, the water biking class sounds awesome! I’m going to have to do some research to see if something similar is offered in my area.

    12. If you are self-conscious about the scarring on your back, you might also want to search for water polo suits. They zip up the back, cover the entire chest, and fall fairly low on the hip. They tend to be very durable, so while a bit expensive, they also last forever. You may want to tie string around the zipper to make it easier to pull up – they can be tough to get on and off. (More power to you if you just don’t care, but I have the same issue, and as an avid swimmer, I must admit I have struggled to keep it from limiting me.)

  7. Threadjack: does anyone do tightlining on her eyes (applying liner to the top lashline, in between the bases of the lashes, from under the eyelid)?

    If so, which pencil (brand name, please) do you use?

    I am looking for one whose tip is tiny enough to fit and that doesn’t run. Extra credit if it comes in plum or some non-harsh-black-but-still-good-for-brunettes color that is office appropriate.

    1. I do this, but I do it with a brush and cream liner or a damp brush and powder eyeshadow. Have you ever tried that? Bobbi Brown makes some great brushes for this.

    2. I use MAC’s Fluidline, with either an angled brush or Sonia Kashuks bent eyeliner bruch (I think sephora has another one). No smudging that I’ve noticed, and comes in tons of colors.

    3. OK, since this has come up, here is a question. I’ve always wondered how people actually do this without getting stuff in their eyes. Whenever I try it, I either maul myself with the brush/pencil, or the eyeliner ends up running. Tips?

      2. I am the OP. There are videos online that show tightlining. My tips:

        1. I use pencil, not liquid and a brush. I like Tarte Emphaseyes High Definition Eye Pencil because the tip is tiny and it sets quickly.

        http://sephora.com/browse/product.jhtml;jsessionid=OGJCPQ3P3G1WQCV0KRRQX0Q?id=P190037&shouldPaginate=true&categoryId=5648

        2. I hold my upper eyelashes back and press them against my browbone with my left index finger and then use my right hand to wield the pencil. (Also the way I insert contact lenses.)

        3. Put the pencil into the spaces between the bases/follicles of your lashes, NOT on the inner rim of your eyelid. If you put it on the inner rim, then when you blink , the upper rim and the lower rim will touch, and the eyeliner will transfer from the upper inner rim to the lower inner rim, and then it will run beneath your eyes.

        Just the way I do it — would love to hear from others.

        1. Aha! I think this must be a large part of what I am doing wrong – putting it on the inner rim when I shouldn’t. Thank you!

    4. I use the sephora waterproof automatic eyeliner. it comes in a ton of colors and I find I need waterproof eyeliner in that area. This is the one step in my make-up routine I will never skip.

      1. Apologies if this is naive, but if you use waterproof eyeliner there, how would you get it off at the end of the day? That is not really an area where I would want to use eye makeup remover….

        1. There are makeup removers that are safe for use around the eye. These generally seem to be the kind with a liquid and an oil that mix together, but personally, I prefer to go the natural route and use straight oils. I’ve had great results with EEVO, Sweet almond, coconut, and jojoba, but my favorite way to clean off every speck of liner and mascara is a few drops of jojoba on a cotton ball or on a swab.

        1. yes, that’s the one! It’s utterly fantastic; I used to look like a raccoon every day until I started using it.

          1. Thanks. I have a trip to Sephora on the books for this weekend, so I will try it.

          2. This is terrific. Thanks so much for recommending it. The deep plum is exactly what I was trying to replace (Tarte has discontinued the Emphaseyes pencil I use), and there are so many other cool colors.

    5. Yup, I tightline! I use a dedicated L’Oreal HIP pencil or a Milani pencil (prefer the Milani – it seriously does NOT BUDGE). I sharpen them with my pocketknife, as my sharpener doesn’t get the tip as small as I’d like. Sometimes I use Bobbi Brown or MAC liquid liner with an eensy (CLEAN) smudge brush, but I must be fully caffeinated to do it properly, so it’s a night time look.

  8. I’m not crazy about the color, but that’s just my taste. Otherwise, it’s a nice dress.

    I used to buy a lot of Tahari. For one thing, it was one of the few lines that had affordable petite sizes, although I got tired of buying black and navy rayon sheaths and matching jackets.

  9. This is my first post on this website and I am very proud to announce that I just received word that I got a job after 3 months of looking. I will be an analyst at a medium sized bank in New York City. I hope to be able to get some kind of graduate degree in the next few years that the bank will pay for, because I already have $35,000 in debt.

    Since I am moving from Columbus, Ohio, I wanted to know if anyone thought it would be OK for me to commute from New Jersey (where my Aunt lives) for a while before moving in to Manhattan. I am not making a large salary, so commuting will let me save money before I take the plunge.

    None of my friends are going to New York, so I thought my best bet is to start with family. Also, my boyfriend is staying here in Ohio, but I am not. I do not see me staying with him for the long-term anyway.

    I do not want to spend to much on a wardrobe, but realise that I have to look good. Is there anyplace in NY that is inexpensive but not cheap, if you know what I mean? I know I have to have at least 5 different outfits, but want to be able to mix and match. Help!

    1. Congrats on the job!

      Where in NJ is your aunt located? I also work at a bank in NYC and originally lived with family in NJ. I lasted about three weeks before I moved into Manhattan even though I’d planned to stay there for about a year to save money. I found both the commute and my family draining. That said, a lot of people who work in Manhattan live in NJ, so it absolutely can ben done. Part of my problem was that the house in NJ was about 1.5 miles from the train station and there was a long waitlist for parking spots (and even then I thought it was super expensive) so I needed rides, or to find street parking, or to walk. It can be the smaller logistics that can make or break you!

      On shopping – NY has most of the usual chains to pick up professional wear (Banana Republic, Ann Taylor, etc.) and NJ has lots of malls with a full range of department stores. Century 21 is a local option that offers discounted “designer” products – hit or miss, but can be a good way to fill in your wardrobe over time.

    2. It really depends on where in NJ your aunt lives, how close her house is to the train station, and which New Jersey Transit / PATH line you’d have to take. If you don’t mind sharing the town, I can give you a better idea of what type of commute it would be.

    3. It depends on where your aunt lives in New Jersey and how long your commute tolerance is. For example, some of my family lives in New Jersey, but from where they are it’s a two-hour bus ride (one-way) to NYC. Check out train or bus schedules (I assume you’re not planning on driving).

      Don’t worry about whether not living in Manhattan is “okay” in other people’s eyes. Tons of my friends live in the other boroughs or NJ. I rarely come across anyone that snobby. Honestly, I think a lot of that attitude comes from recent transplants to NY because that’s how they think they should act now that they are “New Yorkers.”

      I would buy a few basic outfits before you leave, then observe for a week or two while you start your job. Every workplace has its own style. You will have a million stores to choose from, so it is hard to make specific recommendations. However, I would like to give a shout out to Century 21 for having great deals on designer stuff. It’s a little overwhelming, but it’s great if you have a specific goal (like a black suit or a wool coat). I don’t remember the exact address but it’s near the WTC subway stop.

    5. Congrats on the job!

      New Jersey doesn’t charge sales tax on clothes, so I would recommend shopping in NJ. Like others have said, NJ has a ton of malls, and the Paramus area has a lot of shopping (Banana, J. Crew, Ann Taylor, etc.).

      Definitely buy a few basics to start, but I would hold off on buying too much stuff before working for a few weeks so you can get a sense of what your coworkers wear.

      As for the commute from NJ – it’s totally feasible, it just depends on where your aunt lives, and how much of a commute you’re willing to tolerate. Certain sections of NJ do not have good train coverage, so you might need to take the bus, or drive a fair bit to the train station. Also, make sure you know how late the bus/train runs out of the city back into NJ… you don’t want to be stuck in the city if the trains stop running early!

    6. Congrats on the job! That is such great news!

      I have a ton of friends who live various places in New Jersey and take the train to NYC. It is very common. Like the other commenters, I will say that only the ones who live very close to the train station in Jersey like it. The others tend to hate their commute and long to move to NYC.

    7. Congratulations!

      I only lived in New York for a summer. I spent part of it living in an aparment on Central Park West and 99th, and part of it in Jersey City, taking the PATH train in to Manhattan. The commute ended up being the same for me. The area was nicer and there was more stuff to do near the first place, but since I was broke, that didn’t really matter. If your family lives in Hoboken or Jersey City, then I think it’s very doable, especially if you want to save some money. Beyond that, I don’t know.

      Best of luck! When do you move?

    8. Congrats on the new job!

      As everyone has said, it depends on where in NJ. I know two people where I used to work that lived near Princeton and took the train every morning, which is almost a 2 hour commute (I worked in Brooklyn). They were senior level people with families, which I think is why they were willing to put up with such a long commute. I personally thought that was a bit extreme and could never do it, but people do commute from all over NJ to Manhattan. It just depends on your tolerance for commute time. On the other hand, I have friends in Jersey City that live right next to the PATH train and their commute to the financial district is literally like 15 minutes door-to-door. The nice thing about the trains, though, is you can get plenty of reading done (or whatever you like to do on the train), as opposed to places where you have to drive to work.

      Also, someone above mentioned NJ doesn’t have sales tax on clothes. As of this month, NYC is back to having no sales tax on clothes for items below a certain value (it used to be $100, but I think now it’s like closer to $50), and I think items over that value still have a reduced tax. Also, maybe check out some of the outlet stores for good discounts. Woodbury Commons is a popular outlet mall, and I think there’s a bus there that runs from Manhattan? I’ve never actually been, but I hear it’s good.

    9. Agree with everyone else that it really depends on where in New Jersey. It’s almost impossible to find an apartment from elsewhere anyway, so you’d have to stay somewhere for a while no matter what while you look for housing. And remember that most people in New York commute in from either the outer boroughs or elsewhere in the metro area. If you’re in one of the outer boroughs, your commuting costs will be lower because you can take the subway durectly to work. If you’re on a different train line (MetroNorth, LIRR, PATH, NJTransit) or on a non MTA-local bus line, it will cost more.

      I live in Brooklyn, and always have, and work in Manhattan, and always have. When you’re ready to look for your own housing, we can help you identify neighborhoods/towns you’d like.

      Best of luck!

    10. No one else had a problem with what she said about her bf? If you don’t see yourself staying with him why are you with him now? does he feel the same way or are you just wasting his time? ugh

      2. Not everyone is husband-hunting for their entire dating life. I’ve dated people with both of us knowing it wasn’t a permanant thing because we were both enjoying the relationship. If any of those guys had moved while we were dating I certainly wouldn’t have followed them, nor would I have expected them to follow me.

        1. I guess if you both know its one thing. It just seems like she is going to have him wait for her and then break up with him once she is settled in NY or something.

      3. I think it depends on your age. At 22, I may have said that about someone I was dating. Less so at 32.

      4. You ask some reasonable questions and without knowing the answer, say “ugh.” Latisha could easily be finishing up college right now, and I think a more casual relationship is perfectly fine. The boyfriend almost certainly knows she’s been looking for jobs outside of Ohio so it doesn’t seem to me that he’s in the dark about what’s going on or that she’s stringing him along.

        I agree the post did trigger a slight “is this for real” response, in part because of the seemingly extraneous information about the boyfriend, but I’m all for giving the benefit of the doubt.

        1. True, I think if it hadn’t seem so similar to things Ellen/alan used to say maybe I wouldn’t have found it so distasteful. I think it was the use of “i don’t see myself staying with him” as opposed to “It’s not a serious relationship”

          1. She seems to me to have been providing context for her actual question, which was about finding housing in NY, not asking for input on her relationship. We get plenty of those questions, no need to read more into it here than it was.

        2. It triggered my “Is this Ellen?” response as well. I have to say I’m enjoying reading all of the responses though! I’m probably never going to move there, but I’ve recently made friends with a few native New Yorkers and now I’m insanely curious about what it’s like to live there.

        3. I am a little suspicious because of the likelihood that someone from Columbus, OH spells realize as “realise”… but the responses are useful anyway :)

    11. Green shag (google it) sells fantastic cufflinks that will add class and general awesomeness to any outfit. It goes without saying that I suggest you find a nice french cuff shirt.

      Asos.com has free shipping on any order regardless of size. Stay away from asos brand stuff (bad, bad quality) but they sell stuff from Fred Perry (my favorite brand for cardigans) and other companies and sometimes you can get a fantastic deal on a pencil skirt or tights. Right now they have a clearance sale so just look at the clearance stuff.

      If you know your size I highly recommend yoox.com for suits and pencil skirts – they don’t seem to have any suits on sale but everything is already half price and it is good to invest in quality garments. You can probably buy a really good pencil skirt at yoox for the same price an inferior one would cost at club monaco.

      Bluefly is also worth a look, if you sign up today you can get $30 off any order over $150, buy two or three really nice, conservative work dresses and a cardigan.

      If you are on a budget white shirts are the one item I’d say to stay away from… it is really really hard to get good budget shirts when you consider you probably need to get them fitted and one mishap with a coffee and you have to throw it out. Colours other than white can be more forgiving. Buy one or two of course but be extremely careful to see that they work with the other outfits in your wardrobe and that they fit properly.

      I know this is lame but for my first month of work I prepped every outfit the night before work, had a checklist of everything to bring to work and had a checklist of my morning beauty routine. It was invaluable in helping me getting used to a routine.

      Good luck!

    12. Commuting time can be useful time. If you are studying for license exams (e.g. Series 6, 65, CFA, CMA) or to prepare for a masters’ degree program, time can be spent reading, making notes or studying flash cards. Some people knit or crochet. A netbook could allow you to watch movies, read the WSJ or NYTimes online, surf the web (Corporette!), write a novel.

    13. If you will be in NJ, with a car, I recommend a tripthe the Bergen Mall. They have a Century 21, Nordstrom Rack, a Bloomingdales outlet, a Marshalls with an extra large shoe department, and a few smaller stores. Lots of quality clothes at a discount.

    14. If you will be in NJ, with a car, I recommend a tripthe the Bergen Mall. They have a Century 21, a Bloomingdales outlet, a Marshalls with an extra large shoe department, and a few smaller stores. Lots of quality clothes at a discount.

  10. For you pear shaped ladies out there, please give me some advice on great fitting jeans. I am so tired of buying jeans that never seem to quite flatter me. I’m about a size 4/6 in jeans with pronounced saddle bags, not too big of a rear either. Any advice would be appreciated. I’ve already tried Lucky and Gap and have not been too impressed.

    1. I’ve had some luck with the Noir line of jeans at White House / Black Market. They seem to be more curve-friendly than many others I’ve tried. They can look a bit “old lady trying to be cool” but some of them are quite nice.

    2. Try Joe’s Jeans. I’ve tried on several styles there that fit me and I typically have problems with gapping in the waist. The Honey fit is what I have now, but I think that may be for ladies with bigger rears.

      1. +1 for Joe’s. I wear the ridiculously named “Provacateur” which is their petite line… in heels, I don’t have to hem them.

      2. +2 for Joe’s. The Honey fit is the best one I’ve ever found in jeans. Citizens for Humanity also work for a curvy fit.

      3. +3 for Joe’s. I bought a pair on a whim at nordstroms.com on sale and they are the best fitting jeans I’ve ever tried.

    3. I’ve had good luck with the jeans at Ann Taylor Loft. Surprisingly their “curvy” jeans look horrible on me, but I like the “modern” fit ones a lot.

      1. I have pretty compact/muscular legs so I have a similar problem. I wear jeans to the office everyday as am in a “forced/strictly” casual environment :). Also, I made the mistake of feeling self conscious and sizing up to try and hide my legs, but it just ends up looking dumpy, so I hope you find a pair that fit and flatter you!

        More expensive jeans in straight leg styles: Sevens and Citizens of Humanity, True Religion, AG
        Less expensive: H&M

        Recommended by my mom and friend also with this body-type: Acne jeans (her not my mom), JCrew, LOFT

        Horrible news bears, though I envy how they look on other people: Levis (the worst offender), Paige, James Jeans, Gap, Diesel

    4. So sick of getting the “post too fast” message and losing my comment!

      Anyway, I’ve had luck with Levi’s. I can’t remember the number (maybe 529?), but they make a curvy style that fits my pear shape well. The material quality is not the same as higher-priced jeans, but the fit is just as good. And for $32 (sale price), it’s hard to go wrong.

      1. I am a pear and I love DNKY and Tommy Hilfiger. The Ann Taylor curvy should work, but they don’t!

        1. I second DKNY and Tommy for pear shapes. Also, I have a great pair from Banana Republic that I think is their curvy style.

          Gap doesn’t work for me. Anything remotely designer doesn’t work for me.

    5. I actually was really surprised by finding awesome jeans at BR a couple of months ago. I really needed new bootcut jeans and was despairing at finding any at all. BR’s fit me very nicely through the hips without gaping horribly at the waist – putting them on in the fitting room was like a Eureka! moment. I now have to stop myself from wearing them all weekend, every weekend.

      1. Nonny – do you remember the name of the fit? I have a pair of their Martin pants that I picked up on a quick clearance run and love, but haven’t had time to go in and try other fits (or other Martin jeans/pants.)

        1. Don’t remember, but I usually wear Martin as well – that is the only fit of BR pants that works for hippy me. Basically I think I lucked out with these jeans because they were the only pair I could find (a) in my size and (b) bootcut.

          1. I’m surprised – Martin is the one that fits me best and I have no hips! I can never wear the Jackson because it seems cut for hips instead of my very straight figure. But the Martins fit wonderfully every time. They must just be the perfect pants! :-)

            I will just add, not that anyone asked, that for someone like me with a not-so-perfect figure in general and a large diastasis after two babies (pooch), Not Your Daughters Jeans are fabulous. Yes, the brand name makes me feel like I’m 60, but can’t deny the fact that they make me look 10 lbs lighter!

    6. Citizens of Humanity Ingrid or Kelly jeans fit this pear shape the best. Also there is one cut of Paige jeans (I think Hollywood Hills) and the Honey cut from Joe’s that are pretty good. The more expensive jeans really do look better and last longer, in my opinion. You can get designer jeans for cheap on eBay if you know your size.

      1. I forgot – the best jeans on me are my Gold Sign Passion jeans. Sadly I bent over in them last weekend and tore a huge hole in the crotch. Then I had to wear them anyways because I was traveling and had no other pants!

      2. I’ve often wondered: are the designer jeans you can get on eBay authentic? Any tips on avoiding a scam?

        1. I have bought and sold several designer jeans on eBay and I have ever been scammed that I know of. I only buy from sellers with 99-100% positive reviews. “Designer” jeans for less than $30 or where the seller refuses to post photos of the labels are warning signs. Buying from an individual is probably safer than buying from an online shop, since the first seller is more likely to be selling an authentic item that just does not fit her anymore. If in doubt, ask for the style and cut numbers and Google them.

          1. Also weed out the sellers outside of the U.S. I don’t trust overseas sellers who have a big stock at a cheap price.

      3. Also check places like TJ Maxx & Marshall’s, especially if it’s the TJ Maxx with the special designer section (I don’t remember what it’s called–something involving the word runway?). I know the TJ Maxx I used to go to in Arlington (VA, not TX) always had a bunch of Joe’s in that section.

      4. I have the CoH Ava jeans. The best ever because they are so soft so I never feel like I am squeezing my thighs or rear. They were the most expensive piece of clothing I had bought in years but I am wearing them to death.
        For perspective, people say I have thunder tighs (not flattering to me) and I have muscular calves.

    7. I have a rear on me, but also bigger thighs. AG jeans are my favorites, I have to say, but also Joe’s Honey and Muse work for me.

    8. Paige Denim Hidden Hills or Bentley Trouser (mostly in the $150-$200 range). For cheap cheap, Old Navy makes some Flirt trouser jeans that work too ($30-$40).

    9. I think it is more about cut than brand – although, there are definitely worse offenders out there. I try to go for trouser jeans, which I feel are a bit more forgiving. However, I just found a new favorite pair of jeans at Gap Outlet (not regular Gap) that have a bit of a slimmer leg (although absolutely ridiculous name)- Curvy Straight. It is tough and frustrating, but just keep trying!

  11. Wow do I love this turquoise color – as I said before, I’m a caramel-skinned Asian so tropical brights really pop on me (with the exception of hot pink, which afterimages my skin alien green.) I’d wear this dress by itself on the weekends, but tone it down for work with a black or brown jacket on top.

  13. Threadjack re: job transition etiquette…

    I’m starting a new position on Monday that I could not be happier about! It’s with the same company, but in a completely different department. However, I’ll still be in the same office, working on the same floor as my current department, just in a different area.

    I’m wondering if I should send a ‘goodbye/thank you’ email to my current department and if so, how to word it? I’m literally going around the corner from where I work now (maybe like 90 feet or so), so I’ll still be around these people and able to say hello, but we definitely won’t have the same level of interaction.

    Also, my boss’s boss works in NYC and I don’t see her often. However, she’s a big reason why I got my foot in the door at this company, as she promoted me to a full-time position after an internship. I know she’s disappointed I’m moving departments and gave me a generous offer to stay where I am, but my new opportunity is too good to turn down. Should I give her a call and thank her for the opportunities she’s given me? Write her her own email? She’s not very touchy feely or anything, but I do want her to know that a big part of why I’m able to move onto this new opportunity is because of her.

    Help is much appreciated – thanks, ladies!

    1. Congratulations K on your new position! You could send one mass email to your old department, that should be sufficient. I would send your boss’s boss a letter, hand written, of thanks and a phone call too. I would do everything possible to keep her in my network..you never know.

    2. Congratulations on the new job, K! I like the idea of calling or e-mailing your supervisor to be sure to ‘end’ on a good note. (Since she likes you so much and offered you more money to stay, you might not really be ending your relationship with her at all.) As for the colleagues, I’ve tried to think through what I would do if I were in your situation and what I’d like to hear from a colleague who was moving down the hall, and I think if you e-mail them, it should be pretty light – “I’ll only be around the corner, but I know I’ll miss you!” Either that or swing by on Monday and let them know you miss them since, as you mentioned, you aren’t really leaving. And good luck! I hope the new job is great.

    3. “Team, it’s been a pleasure working with you for the past X years. Today is my last day in department A, and on Monday I will start in a new role in department B down the hall. I look forward to continuing to see all of you around the office.” Something like that. If there might be an opportunity to work on certain projects with your old group, also mention that.

  14. Threadjack.

    I have a law society hosted 5K run coming up. Now, I am a fairly athletic person and in all honesty, when one runs you wear generally not much clothing and all of a skintight nature. (I’ll also note it’s really warm where I am). As a young female what is appropriate for me to wear at this event? I do not want to have to buy new clothing for a little 5K but I don’t want to be the only one there in mini shorts and a skin tight tank.

    1. I’d wear a running tee and Nike Tempo shorts. I wouldn’t call them super-modest, but they do not make me feel overly bare and exposed even though I’m tall and have larger thighs.

    2. I always do the Chase Corporate Challenge, which requires me to run with my co-workers in June. I am a fairly serious runner, and I wear my regular running clothes (i.e. Sugoi running shorts, which are skin tight though not super short). Nobody seems to bat an eye, and if they did, I would point out that maybe if they tried it they could catch up to me next time. =) That said, I did wear a cotton T-shirt with our firm’s logo on it. I would never, ever wear a cotton T while running – it’s usually a singlet – but for a 3.5M race, it’s not a big deal.

    3. I think you should wear what you normally wear if you think there will be other semi serious runners there and if you feel comfortable in that. If not, I’d wear the same shorts as normal but maybe a singlet that isn’t skin tight or a tech t-shirt that isn’t skin tight. A lot of the people in my city’s business/law communities are very athletic and would be in the same gear, though, so it might be different.

    4. Maybe it’s just me but when I run I wear lose, short shorts and a tank top that is not skin tight. I’d go with somethign like that. i do the NY corporette challenge and always see a few gals in short, spandex booty shorts and low cut, middrift bearing tanks. I get you may run in that. But it’s 3.5 miles. You can walk it. No need to whip out the “LOOK AT ME RUN, AREN’T I CUTE” clothes. It seems kind of pathetic. It should be for fun, not a serious running event.

      1. I try not to judge women for their gym clothing simply because so many women cross train and for a lot of sports skin tight small clothing is safer and more practical. Though I realize there is a time and place for everything, I buy running clothing expecting to be able to wear it to roller derby, hot yoga, under fencing gear and for running. I have limited space and finances and I’d rather put my money towards more activities than towards more clothing.

        Looking over my wardrobe I realized I do not own sweatpants, baggy gym shorts or any of that stuff. No real desire to buy it since I personally hate that feeling of material swishing as I run but I will check out a consignment store on my way home.

        Your reaction is kind of exactly what I want to avoid. All the assistants and most of the lawyers at my firm are women so definitely thank you for saying that.

      2. Anonymous – I obviously wasn’t there, but why are you calling these girls pathetic and implying they want attention for being cute just because they’re wearing running gear that’s spandex and tight? I hate wearing loose clothing during my workouts. And maybe they don’t want to walk the 3.5 miles. I know quite a few serious runners who take every opportunity to work on their time for short races, even 5K’s. Just my two cents.

        1. Becuse it’s a 3 mile walk/run, not supposed to be an intense 2 hour training session. My point was you can be awesome and have the awesome, skin tight, compression, middrift bearingbecause you do 2 hour workouts of hot yoga followed by a 10 mile run. I get it. Good for you. But it’s 3 miles with co-workers. Do you really need to wear that outfit in front of co-workers? Are you really that hardcore with a charity 5K with coworkers? That’s what laughable. Who’se taking it that seriously? That’s what I find pathetic.

          1. Thanks again. I stole a cotton tank and floppy college sweatpants in from my kid sister. At my height, age and weight this kind of outfit makes me look about 15 but it beats looking half naked and 15.

            And re the hot yoga, a straight two hour session would kill me. ^_^ I do 90 minutes but I think most people would be surprised by the amount of just breathing that goes on in those kinds of classes. I do it honestly because it helps me sleep, not for any physical benefits. :)

          3. Well, it turned out the only people there rocking the skin tight stuff were people who joined our event for the running not because they a law connection. I saved my self some shame there.

            I agree that the message was a bit bitter. Just throwing it out there that when you do see someone in skintight clothing at a run it’s probably well meaning. To be honest wearing a lot of clothing running makes me sick, hence my current workout wardrobe being scandalous, I’m not out husband hunting when I jog. ^_^

    5. I’ve done some law society 5ks and its generally not the usual runner types…at least where I live. There are generally only one or two people who show up in serious running singlets and tiny running shorts. That said, I wear what I wear to run in – but for me that is CW-X running capris (yes, skin tight) and a normal tech fabric tshirt or tank (but not skin tight — but that’s not me). Basically I would follow the rule of thumb I follow for all work events. I would be totally opposed to “wear your underwear to work day” so I avoid all things that might be that equivalent (pool parties being #1). I fyour running clothes are more “wear your underwear to work” than not, you might want to just get something a bit less tiny.

    6. When I’ve done similar races, I’ve just worn my normal running clothes. True, these races don’t bring out huge numbers of super serious runners, but I think there’s a big difference between “look at me, I’m cute and wearing skimpy clothes” and “I’m wearing something practical for the activity I’m participating in.” You are a runner, that will be obvious, so you will probably fall into the latter category.

      For me, I would wear a running skirt (I prefer them over shorts but it is the same short length) and either a tank/short sleeve top depending on how hot it is. Yes, it is a short race, but there’s no sense in not being comfortable! The only thing is that since I’m a bit busty, I might wear one of my looser tops if I knew I was going to be with a lot of coworkers, but again, that would be second to dressing appropriately for the activity given the weather.

  15. Need some accessorizing advice!

    I bought this dress:
    http://www.dillards.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=301&storeId=301&langId=-1&productId=502646012

    (don’t worry, I am a lot shorter than the model so it’s not nearly as short on me, but this isn’t for work, anyway)

    I am stumped on shoes and jewelry. I have some neat platform wedges I bought for summer, but I am short and have thick, muscular legs, so I normally avoid ankle-strap shoes or ones where the vamp comes high up on the foot, because those types of shoes just make my legs look shorter (especially in short dresses like this). I am also not sure to go with a long necklace or a short one, or maybe no necklace because the print is so distinctive? Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

    1. Maybe skip the necklace, and go with some dangly earrings and a silver cuff instead.

    2. This is a ring dress. A huge, ginormous gaudy ring that will accentuate whatever new gestures you will be making because you will be wearing that ring on your index or middle finger. I’d also go with a simple chain/pendant combo and simple earrings as well. For shoes, I’d go with peep-toe platform pumps, preferably not black or white.

      1. Oooh, love the big-ring idea! I have a couple I never wear as I never have an occasion to, but this dress is for a swanky birthday party and that would look perfect. I also love the earrings/silver cuff idea.

      2. Agree. And I’d make it a big turquoise ring, because I’m a huge fan of turquoise with black and white dresses.

        1. I was just thinking torquoise would look great with this dress. If not a ring, maybe a bracelet? Or on sandals?

    3. For shoes, it depends on whether you’re trying to dress it up or down. For an evening out, I like the idea of a wedge in a metallic color and something more like this for day: http://www.dillards.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=301&langId=-1&storeId=301&productId=502618550&view=80&No=80&N=1000892+4000072&searchUrl=%2Fendeca%2FEndecaStartServlet%3Fview%3D80%26No%3D80%26N%3D1000892%2B4000072&R=03518090
      I agree with you about ankle straps with the caveat that nude or metallic colors don’t have the same leg-shortening ability as dark colors.

  16. Ok, does anyone think the orange is okay for work (in a not-too-incredibly conservative law office)? too bright? I feel like once it was in my closet, I probably wouldn’t put it on in the morning, but I am drawn to it.

    1. Probably it’s fine, but it depends on the orange. Safety-cone orange, maybe not. Orange like a tulip or orange juice, probably. I like to tone down orange with gray or even navy sometimes. I’m not fond of orange and khaki or beige, as I think it “pops” the orange too much. On the other hand, I have a pair of off-white pants that I wear with a light orange shirt and a navy cardigan, and I do like this combination.

    2. My office is bizcasual and I’ve worn orange, once, with navy. It looked really nice (if I do say so myself) but it can be bright. Also, I was able to show my boss that I’m a truer Mets fan than him by wearing lots of blue and orange instead of just a Mets tie.

  17. Threadjack –
    Hi all… I need some advice on career planning and I am hoping seeing sme of your thoughts would help. I am currently in an AMlaw 100 firm as a 6th year attorney. I am seriously thinking about branching out and going solo. I have had enough of working at a law firm. And, there are not many in-house positions for litigators like myself. So, I really think I should try going out on my own.

    The problem is I don’t know if it would be financially unwise for me to do this now. Currently, I have very little law school debt (I focused heavily on paying my law school debt), a mortgage, a car payment, and a husband who is not working and will be unable to work for the next 6 months. I think my hubby and i could survive for about 4 months based on my savings.

    Is there anyone here who went solo recently? How long did it take you to get clients and an income from your work? Currently, I have no clients.

    (P.S. I thought of remainign at the firm for the next 3 to 4 months and work on securing a client before leaving. But the truth is – I currently represent insurance companies but would actually prefer to represent the insured when i go solo. So marketing myself to potential insureds right now while i am at the firm would present serious conflicts).

    Thoughts anyone? Thanks in advance.

    1. Hate to stomp on your dreams, but I personally would not be comfortable going out on my own with a highly uncertain income stream with only 4 months of emergency savings – particularly given your husband’s situation. I would assume it will take a year or so to really get going with steady workflow, plus there will be startup costs. I think if you save aggressively for a year or so and/or get to the point where your husband’s income can keep you both afloat, that would be a much better time.

    2. Are you in danger of getting pushed out of your current firm, or is there any reason why this is an urgent decision? Can you stay for another year or two? I know another young attorney who went solo but did so after several years of planning. In the meantime, he got paid a fat salary, milked the firm for good experience that he could put to use in his future practice, and went out and met as many people as he possibly good to expand his network. So, I’d take at least a year to position myself to be able to do this. Maybe by that time, your husband will have a job. Leaving the big firm nest to fly solo will undoubtedly be stressful and scary, and it would probably be less so if you weren’t the sole bread winner. Finally, obviously every person’s financial situation is different, but four months savings wouldn’t be enough for me to feel secure leaving my job. It’s going to take time for you to get your logistics worked out, ramp up business, and get going. What if it takes more than four months for you to get substantial positive cash flow coming in from your solo practice? How are you going to pay the mortgage? I’d want at least a year’s worth of savings to do something like this.

    3. Everything I’ve read says that you should have one year of living expenses saved before going solo, because you’re unlikely to turn a profit in a year.

      That said, I know the ABA has a lot of good resources for solos. I’d explore the information on their website.

    4. One additional thought re marketing yourself to potential clients. I think the better thing to do is simply expand your network without regard to whether your contact is an “insured” (and, I assume when you say “insured,” you mean businesses and other sophisticated clients… not Joe Blow who got in a car wreck). Meet as many people new people as you can, and maintain/strengthen those contacts you already have. When you go solo, you’re going to want to get the word out to as many people as possible re your new practice. You’ll have to pound some serious pavement. I doubt you’ll have the luxury of only doing insurance litigation where you’re on the insured’s side. You’ll probably need to be a jack of all trades, so the more people you can tell that you’re going solo, the better. Who knows where your first bona fide client could come from, and what problem that client will have for you to solve?

    5. I have seen people make great transitions, but planning is important. And while you spend the next four months getting ready, it will energize you, which will help you get through the dreary parts of your current job.

      I agree that expanding your network will also pay off, even if you are ethically and morally prevented from prospecting while employed.

      Good luck and let us know how it goes.

  18. Thanks for the responses…

    I am not in any danger of getting pushed out (at least as far as I know)…I just really really do not like working at the firm:(. I know the responsible thing for me to do is to remain here at least another year or two and save as much as i can before branching out. But getting up and coming here every morning is really tedious…

    The partner I work for is pleasant enough and the other associates are alright as well. So it’s not like I am dealing with horrible personalities. I appreciate my work here because I have gotten a fair amount of trial experience, which is great. But other than ramping up for trial, I don’t really enjoy the work I am doing, and think I would enjoy it a lot more if I represented the insured.

    1. Have you considered moving to a smaller, insured-side firm for a few years as a stepping stone to a solo practice? I don’t know much about this, but I’m curious about this option…

    2. A friend from law school and I started our own firm in July 2009. I had a lean few months, but turned a profit almost immediately. I knew it was time- staying at the firm I was in was killing me. I had constant heartburn (I only get it from stress) and I kept breaking out in hives.

      I had maybe a month or two of savings. I anticipated that a few big clients would go with me (and they did) so that helped. But the biggest thing you can do survive as a solo is keep costs low. I used my laptop I already had, desk I owned, etc. I got a small office in a building that was month to month, no commitment.

      I would milk your firm for a few more months of savings, and work on a plan for how you will develop a client base. My stress level went down as soon as I started seriously planning on starting my own firm- having an end in sight made the firm life bearable.

    3. I left an AmLaw 200 firm (as a partner) because I “couldn’t take it anymore,” and I regret not staying a little bit longer to: (1) perfect my exit strategy, and (2) sock away more cash.

    1. Janie’s advice is spot-on. If you intend to start a solo practice, you need to bring clients with you. Go to a firm that has the type of practice and client you want, and learn. If you are good at it and your clients appreciate you, then they will go with you.

      I took clients with me when I went solo. Within two years, I had hired three associates, and two secretaries, a bookkeeper, a runner, etc. My overhead was ridiculous, and I was exhausted. The advice to keep your overhead low is also excellent.

      I kept at it for almost a decade. Then I realized I wasn’t having any fun, wasn’t cut out for hiring, firing (especially firing), reviewing books, etc. I took a job as a litigator with the feds and have never looked back.

      (As an aside, I’m a genetic late-riser and can’t fall sleep until around 2:00 am. When you run your own shop, you can make your own hours. In the federal government, you can’t cruise in at 10:30 a.m.)

      Think it through. One other point is that either you or your husband should have a steady, reliable paycheck before either of you strike out on your own. Either way, good luck to you.

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