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Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018: What’s Still Left (And Weekend Open Thread)

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The below content is about the 2018 Nordstrom Anniversary Sale.

Wondering what's still left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale? Prices go back up in three days — and there's still a ton of great stuff in stock (with more stuff every day possibly coming back in stock as returns come in). We're only picturing things with several sizes left…

What's been your favorite thing that you got in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale this year? What are you stalking for a different size? what's left in the nordstrom anniversary sale 2018 three days left

Psst: check out all of our coverage of the 2018 Nordstrom Anniversary Sale, including our top picks for workwear under $200 and our favorite plus-size picks for work!

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Still Left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018: Shoes for Work

what's left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018 - comfortable heels

Heels, $65-$240: orange / red / blue / plum*

* Reader favorites for comfort!

what's left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018 - flats

Flats, $65-$230: sling back / houndstooth / bow flat* / smoking slipper*

what's left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018 - booties

Booties, $100-$180: low / high heel / buckle / pointy

Bags Still Left in the 2018 Nordstrom Anniversary Sale

what's still left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018 - work bags

Totes, $58-$309: black / “light oak” / black / taupe

(Not pictured but still a lot of good options: Tumi!)

Purses, pictured: $35-$218: red / purple / burgundy+ / gray+ (+also has crossbody strap)

What's Still Left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale for Workwear

Here are some general notes of what's still left in the 2018 Nordstrom Anniversary Sale as far as workwear goes…

Previous Picks for Work Under $200: What's Still Left:

Pictured above, $29-59: ruffle sleeve top / green blouse / white / pants / skirt

Pictured above, $64-$91: blazer / burgundy / navy / purple / pink

Pictured above, $98-$138: striped / cobalt / skirt / blazer / dress

What's Still Left in the Nordstrom Anniversary Sale 2018: Suits for Women

Almost all of the pieces for the suits we originally pictured are still in stock…

Suits, $85-$458:

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Comments

  1. Anon

    I could use some style help. I like the look of Boden dresses and tops, but they’ve never fit me right. Is there any other good brand out there that has a similar aesthetic, but fits better for a 5’4″ hourglass (size 10)? I’m transitioning back to the working world after graduate school and I am struggling to find dress pants, tops, and dresses that fit well and look good within a reasonable budget. I used to rely on the Gap Perfect Trouser (looked great on me), but they discontinued it and all their other dress pants. I do have a Nordstrom close by now if there are any good brands to check out there; as a reference point, I’d like to spend no more than $70 or so for a pair of quality pants.

    • rachel2g

      Your shape sounds similar to mine, and I love J Crew’s pants as an hourglass (the Cameron is particularly great). Also, once you find a fit, try looking for the same pants on Poshmark — I’ve been able to save hundreds of dollars on my work wardrobe this way.

      I also like Loft (dresses especially) and White House Black Market (especially for tops). Good luck!!

    • Ella

      She could also search the outnet[dot]come by size and the color white. Sometimes there are very good prices on designer gowns.

  2. Wedding in the 60s

    A good friend of mine has recently become engaged to be married. Most Davids Bridal/BHLDN seems to skew very young for her. Any suggestions for wedding dress designers for a sophisticated bride in her 60s?

    She is curvier so any designers that cater to this segment would be esp welcome!
    Thinking also of non-traditional dresses!

    • Veronica Mars

      Can she head into a salon? Maggie Sottero is very reasonable (around the high end for BHLDN/David’s, but prices vary) and has a wide style range. My dress was $1200 full sticker with no discounts.

      • Anonymous

        +1. I’d suggest a salon anyway because they’ll have a wide range of styles that will at least help her get a sense of what she’d like.

    • Gail the Goldfish

      My dress was by Amy Kuschel, and she has some designs that might work (mine was the Clover design, and I loved it, and there were several others I wanted too:-)). They are on the pricier side, though (but all made in San Francisco). I bought mine as a sample.

      Also, Tadashi Shoji dresses seem to work well for curvier body types. They do have wedding dresses now, but I think even their “regular” long gowns could work for a wedding dress if she’s open to a not-stark-white dress (I’ve seen a lot of cream or silver tadashi dresses)

      • Scarlett

        +1 – I was just coming on to recommend Amy Kuschel as well – my dress was from there (I married at 40 so a bit past the average bridal shop demographic). She now has an off the rack kind of little white dresses, too.

      • Gail the Goldfish

        I want that Neptune dress. I mean, I don’t have anywhere to wear it, but I want it. I just need to find a fancy astronomy party to go to or something.

      • Pep

        If she’s in the DC area, there is a Tadashi Shoji outlet in the new Clarksburg (MD) outlets.

    • JS

      Rebecca Schoneveld is all about inclusive sizing and customization – and they have really interesting designs.
      Kleinfeld has a plus size section – you can pull designers there and find a boutique that carries them in your city.

    • Anon in NYC

      Check out Nordstrom. They have a “little white dress” section, if she’s potentially interested in a shorter dress. Some of it skews young, but there are plenty of options that I think would look great on a woman in her 60s.

  3. Anonymous

    Why so many NAS posts? The sale doesn’t seem to be that great. There’s better clearance throughout the year at Lord & Taylor, Macys, and Nordstrom locally.

    • Anon

      Because NAS isn’t a clearance sale. It’s a pre-season sale, so instead of buying stuff no one wanted at the end of a season, you’re getting stuff for the upcoming season at a discount. I know it’s somewhat fashionable around here to hate on it, but I do a fair amount of my annual work clothing shopping at NAS and appreciate the info.

      • Anonymous

        Me too. And PSA, the 1901 3 in 1 trench coat really nice. It feels a lot more expensive than it is.

        I also liked the double breasted London Fog coats.

      • Anon

        Yeah I know it’s fashionable to hate it too, but I appreciate buying stuff for an upcoming season rather than for a year from now. I rarely buy on clearance because buying buying a swimsuit now is no guarantee that I’ll like the style or the fit next Spring. But buying a sweater now means I’m likely to get a lot of use out of it for the next 5 months, so it’s an immediate win for me.

  4. anon

    I’m trying to up my skincare knowledge and find it really confusing. I’ve spend time on r/skincareaddiction but I still feel pretty lost. What I’d really like is a very basic chart or list of all of the different product categories? I’m talking really basic, like what is a retinol, and how do you know if something has AHA?

    • IHHtown

      Do you have specific questions? I personally follow a really basic Korean inspired skin care regime that completely transformed skin. Your skin care needs will be completely different based on your skin issues. At base, I would suggest the following in a solid skin care brand (Neutrogena, Paula’s Choice, Peter Thomas Roth, etc.)

      Oil makeup removal + foaming cleanser + toner + moisturizer with spf (or standalone spf cream after)
      Adding an under eye cream at night (ROC is one of the best OTC eye creams at a lower price point) can help with dryness and preventing aging signs.

    • Resident Skincare Junkie

      If you have any specific questions feel free to post em. FWIW, I’m a skincare junkie, have been a regular poster/reader on r/skincareaddiction for half a decade and regularly read and post here. 2 ways to find out if something is an AHA: 1. It says “alpha hydroxy acid” somewhere in the label or INCI (it sounds like you already knew this if you’re using the term “AHA”) 2. Read what type of acid is listed in the label, most common are lactic and glycolic. Malic, mandelic, and tartaric are others you’ll see. Important to note that the pH and the strength will determine how strong/effective the acid is.

  5. Anonymous

    We live in the Southwest. A couple of squirrels have moved into the trees behind our house (on our neighbor’s property). My husband and son think they are adorable but from what I understand, they can cause property damage and also carry ticks (we have two dogs who absolutely love to try to chase the squirrels). I think we should call pest control (they apparently do humane trap-and-release), my husband disagrees. What says the Hive on this one?

    • anon

      I’m sorry, this just makes me laugh. I live in the southeast. Squirrels are ubiquitous and not threatening.

      They can cause property damage if they move into your attic. They can also eat all the seed out of your bird feeder. As long as they’re not in your home, this is pretty much the worst possible outcome. No, you do not need to call pest control. Squirrels are supposed to live in trees. They are just animals trying to live outside, and they will not harm you or your property.

      Oh and the dogs will likely never catch them.

      • Anonymous

        +1. Your dogs will never catch them, and they’re not something you call pest control about unless they’re living in your attic.

      • lol

        Also in the SE and I agree with the above- I didn’t realize that there were places in the country that didn’t have a million squirrels. Ours like to taunt the dogs and throw chewed up pine cones everywhere. Watching them trying to raid the squirrel-proof bird feeder is also pretty funny.

        • Anon

          Right? I’m dying to know where OP is originally from where a couple of squirrels are even noticeable! Squirrels are literally everywhere in my area.

        • Gail the Goldfish

          I had a friend in middle school who moved from Japan to my SEUS hometown who referred to the south as “The Land of Many Squirrels” because they just didn’t have them where she grew up.

          • Senior Attorney

            Yes, I had a friend and her daughter visit from Australia (I’m in So Cal) and the little girl was just enchanted by the squirrels!

        • Anonymous

          me too! I’ve lived in the Midwest, New England, and the mid-Atlantic, and all areas had tons of squirrels.

    • Anon

      You can’t call pest control on squirrels. They’re ubiquitous. And no, they’re not going to give you ticks.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve never heard of removing squirrels from a yard, only your house (yes, they sometimes get into houses – ask me how I know). I don’t think humane trap and release is really a solution, because they’ll come back. Anyway, if they’re on your neighbor’s property, I really don’t think this is your decision. You could ask your neighbor to call pest control but I don’t think you should it yourselves.

    • Torin

      Do your dogs not get tick medication? There are squirrels everywhere all over the southwest and if you get rid of these two surely others will just move in. It seems like wasted effort to try to prevent them, to me, and you should instead just make sure to protect your dogs from ticks.

    • Flats Only

      Chill out. Squirrels are normal, and basically harmless. I would be surprised if Pest Control would remove totally normal wild animals from your neighbors property at your request.

      • LaurenB

        I think pest control would laugh at the idea of removing squirrels. They’re squirrels. The most “harm” they do is darting onto the path when you ride a bike. I have never heard of a part of the country without squirrels.

    • Rainbow Hair

      This is surprising to me because there are a bajillion squirrels where I live and since they stay away from the house itself, and runTF away from humans, I’ve never really worried about them. So I think I’m with your husband?

      • anon

        I work on a college campus. The squirrels here are so used to people that they barely notice if you’re practically stepping on them!

    • Anonymous

      Ugh. I live in the Southwest too and the squirrels eat portions of our garden every year. We have tried humanely trapping them and releasing out in the mesa, but they return (well, I don’t know if the same ones return, but the squirrels in general return.) Back when our dog was not so old and lazy, he would chase them away but now he just sleeps on the porch and they run all around him haha. Keeping food out of your yard helps, but I don’t think there is any way to really get rid of them.

    • Anonymous

      I’m pretty sure the kind of ticks that live on squirrels aren’t the kind of ticks that transmit diseases to humans. But even if that’s not true, it’s not like you’re going to get a tick from seeing a squirrel 20 feet away. As long as you’re not snuggling up with them, you’re fine.

    • notanon

      Even if pest control didn’t laugh about being asked to remove squirrels from a tree only to let them go elsewhere (they will just head straight home; some will even spray paint a bright stripe on them before release so you can see how fast they return), the property belongs to someone else and you should not be hiring work done there.

    • anon

      Squirrels are … everywhere? I suppose they *can* be a nuisance but they’re pretty ubiquitous. My grandpa used to shoot them with pellet guns (in town) to shoo them off his property, but I don’t really recommend that approach!

    • anon

      Echoing everything above. where would they even trap and release them to? the squirrels are exactly where they belong.

    • PolyD

      Genuinely asking – where did you live before where there were no squirrels? I kind of figured they’re pretty much everywhere in the US, at least.

      And yeah, unless they get into your house, live and let live.

    • Anonymous

      It amazes me that you have scorpions and all kinds of poisonous snakes in the Southwest, and you’re afraid of SQUIRRELS.

    • Anonymous

      You live on planet Earth, there actually are other species besides human beings. Sorry you actually have to share your space with other living creatures.

    • CountC

      My father used to build small chicken wire boxes around the fruit on his fruit trees to prevent the squirrels from getting them. Didn’t work. LOL

      Squirrels are like death and taxes (in the US), you’re going to have to learn to live with them! They are harmless.

    • Anonymous

      To be fair to the OP, I was startled when I lived in Colorado the first time I heard warnings that the squirrels in our area were carrying bubonic plague. Yes, truth. It wasn’t unheard of and happened more than once.

      That said, there were no calls for relocation or extermination; they’re squirrels. They’re going to win.

    • badlands

      Property damage? From…burying nuts? Gnawing on…something? Squirrels (and rabbits and birds) are just a fact of life.

      Yes, they’ll eat your garden, but I can’t imagine much else.

    • Anonymous

      For squirrels?!? What? No. This is normal. Do not do anything you don’t have a problem.

    • SF in House

      We live in San Francisco. There are no squirrels. When we go places with squirrels, my kids are completely fascinated by them!

    • Anon

      I love squirrels. Mainly because they keep my two boy cats busy thinking about how they’re going to hunt, kill, and eat them, with zero percent chances of that ever actually happening.

  6. Anonymous

    Question.

    For those of you in law firms, how does your maternity leave count for hours? Are you credited 8 hours per day while you’re out? I’m in big law, and we get the average daily rate that we’ve worked for the year, which seems like a punishment because most people are slow before and after leave. Is this typical?

    • Anonymous

      Typical IME. We similarly get credited hours-wise for the average daily rate for the year before we took leave. Honestly, it has never been punitive for me. I had really busy years both times before leave.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, it’s typical to just annualize the hours worked when not on leave. Crediting someone 8 hours/day while they’re out seems incredibly generous, since that would be a fairly high billable hour month for many Big Law associates (around 175/month, if you assume 22 workdays in an average month). If there was a credit, I would assume it would be the minimum yearly hours to be an associate in good standing/12, which would be more like 160 hours/month at my firm.

    • anon

      That’s completely normal, and how it worked at my firm. With the additional nuance that even if your annualized number was a bit low because you slowed down during pregnancy, you would get full bonus (and in my case, the little $10k extra top-up). That’s probably department-specific though. I think that’s just how my senior partner says congratulations.

    • Anonymous

      That’s how it works at my firm– they just annualize the hours for the time you are there. It’s fine, I guess, but it can be punitive because of the ramp down and ramp up periods. They annualize your bonus, too– so if you are there for 75% of the year (and make your annualized hours), you get 75% of your class bonus.

      My personal annoyance is that my office recently got rid of the strict hours requirement for class bonus, but they are keeping it for purposes of prorating people on leave. I personally like clear yardsticks and am often busy so it will probably be fine for me, but it strikes me as icky. They dropped the hours requirement because some practice groups are slower than others, so it just seems like they’re holding people who go out on leave (overwhelmingly women) to a higher standard.

  7. Stair runner

    Does such a thing exist as a stair runner you don’t have to hold down with carpet staples/tacking?

    We need a runner but want to paint the stairs and refinish the hardwood underneath before putting it in…and that won’t happen for a year or so. Looking at interim options.

    • Anonymous

      I think there are rods that you can put into the crook of the stair to keep the runner in place if it is thin enough. Tension rods maybe?

    • Kat in VA

      They also make individual stair rug pads with a latex nonslip backing, although most of them tend to be the braided “rag rug” oval type, which might not go with your interiors. You can find them on Amazon and other places that sell home furnishings. I think they run anywhere from $15 to $30 per stair.

  8. Frames?

    Where do people find pretty, classic, not-too-expensive picture frames (e.g. to display a photo on your work desk or at home)? Starting to redecorate and realizing I should probably upgrade my current “photos and pictures taped to the mirror/wall” theme…

      • Anonymous

        I am trying to reduce so I went into a local thrift shop and found some super cute frames. That’s the perfect thing to buy secondhand, so give it a try!

    • Veronica Mars

      There are only two extremes that matter to me in framing, cheap and right. Cheap is Ikea/Target frames. Right is $$$ but through a local framer or online via Skyline Art Editions /art printing? – they’re based out of TX and do reasonable prices for small, made-to-order frames.

      • pugsnbourbon

        I really like the website Matboard and More dot com. I’ve been able to get near-professional looking results using their materials.

        Otherwise, Ikea.

    • Cookbooks

      If you have the patience to sort through a lot, Marshalls/TJMaxx sometimes have very nice frames. And at a great price.

    • Anonymous

      I have nearly all IKEA frames. I buy them in bulk in the 5×7 size with mat that can also be used for 8x10s without a mat. They are about $3 a frame there.

    • Ms B

      Homegoods and the clearance section in the Dillard’s (or other big department store) housewares/registry department. I have one frame from each of them on my desk right now!

  9. Anon

    I have a friend in her mid-twenties who received a six-figure inheritance and is new to the world of investing. Any recommendations for good beginner-level books on investing and financial security? I read Suze Orman myself years ago (which I recommended she take a look at), but I am sure there is something better out there.

    • New job who dis

      the personal finance reddit is great – particular under the right sidebar tagged area of investing.

      I like it because it’s a good repository for lots of ideas/books/finance personalities. there’s a beautiful flowchart the redditors have put together for exactly this situation – when people come into a sum of money. The Prime Directive

      I know some people think reddit is troll-land, but there’s great info out there.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/commontopics

      https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/wiki/windfall

      https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/search?restrict_sr=on&q=flair:Investing&feature=legacy_search

    • Anonymous

      The Little Book of Common Sense Investing by John Bogle. Get the latest edition. The personal finance sub Reddit. Open a Vanguard account, watch a few videos. The only real question is how soon she may want to spend any of the money. If she’s saving it long term, put 40 % in a total market index, 40% in an international all markets index excluding US, and 20% in bond or a CD ladder. Rebalance once or twice a year with new money or shifting dividends. It’s that easy. Do not under any circumstances use a commission broker.

    • Anon

      Get a Financial Life or anything by Suze Orman. I also like Smart Women Finish Rich.

      • Ellen

        This is a good book. Suzie Orman is very easy to read, but I think you really also ought to point her in the direction of a FINANCIAL ADVISOR who can actually analyze her situeation and make recommendations. People like my brother in law, Ed, is a good example of a person who knows alot and can address specific questions she may have. My dad is actually smarter then Ed, but my dad is NOT licensed by FINRA. It proves you do NOT need to be licensed by FINRA to be smart. Personaly, I use my Dad for everything since nearly all of my assets are in his custody so that I do NOT spend them. Dad is smart that way, and I get the benefit’s of those smart’s. YAY!!!!!Mom agrees, b/c she does not think I am able to manage my own finances, and I do NOT want to waste my time doeing that as long as I have Dad, or some other man, to do it for me! YAY!!!!

    • Cat

      I know right? I did shop it a bit (I stuck to “rarely on sale favorite staples” underwear, bras, socks, and a pair of workout sneakers), but between the pre-early-access shilling and now the “what’s left over??” shilling, it’s a full monthlong barrage. ENOUGH.

  11. Older Parent

    Can we stand more one conversation about aging parents?

    My father is in his 70s and not in great health (a lifetime of not taking care of himself is catching up with him). I am the oldest of the three children and live the farthest away. My sister lives the closest and has decided he needs to stop driving. There have not been any accidents or unexplained damage to his car but she does not think he is safe to drive based on her observations.

    She wants my brother and I to come home and all of us to speak to him (which would be unpleasant but I could do). If he is not receptive (which is what I expect), her plan is to take his keys and drive his car away and hide it. (Obviously she cannot sell it since she is not on title.) I think she has lost her mind. He is a legally competent adult who still handles his own affairs and handles them well. (To the point where he has an active consulting business in his former industry.) He sees his doctor regularly and his doctor has apparently dismissed my sister’s concerns (at least according to her). As far as I am concerned she is asking us to help her steal a car and I know my father well enough to know that he will call the police.

    I see people on the site say all the time that they will or should “just take the keys away”. But how does that work on a practical level? How can adult children decide that their parent should stop driving and force the issue? I cannot count on him just going along with it and we are not providing any practical help that we can threaten to stop.

    • Anonymous

      When she describes her observations to you, do they seem valid? As in, do you think she’s lost her mind about how badly your dad is driving or has she lost her mind about the solution to it?

    • Anon

      Your sister is nuts. Tell her to stop. His doctor has not seen a decline in vision, mental acuity, or reflexes, he is fine.

      • Anonymous

        This is really simplistic, and inappropriate advice.

        I suspect you haven’t been a caregiver for an elderly parent or have any understanding about how doctors determine if someone is suitable to drive. In fact, the OP never said anything about what the doctor assessed. But perhaps you were there….

        • Anonymous

          It’s really impossible to say. There are no details about what the sister observed. So yes, maybe she has some reasonable basis for believing he shouldn’t drive. But there are also a lot of kids who worry way too much about elderly parents and act like their parents can’t take care of themselves at all when they’re of sound mind and body. I’ve seen it within my own family several times. Staging a family intervention to talk to him seems pretty reasonable, but the fact that the sister is immediately jumping to essentially stealing his car as a next step if he doesn’t want to stop driving – when he hasn’t had any driving incidents and his doctor thinks he’s fine – strongly suggests to me that the sister is overreacting.

          • Anonymous

            Probably the kids should have a family meeting…. first. Doesn’t sound like they are on the same page.

    • Desi Girl

      I agree with your sister’s first step (intervention with all the kids) but not the second. After the talk, if he does not agree, I’d suggest to let it sit. He may think over it for a day or three and then decide he agrees with you all. Or he may offer logical arguments that he is still a safe driver which may convince you otherwise. I’m not sure what your sister observed but I would treat your dad like an adult and bring this to his attention with your strong collective recommendation.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, she’s lost her mind. He’s of sound mind and if his doctor thinks there’s no need for him to stop driving (which presumably means he has no physical conditions that make his driving unsafe), your sister needs to butt the F out. It would be more of a gray area if the doctor agreed with her, although I’m still not really sure that legally you could force him to stop.

    • Anonymous

      Do you normally think your sister’s observations of your dad are accurate? On the one hand it’s very possible for an adult child to be aware of an elderly parent’s mental or physical decline before it’s obvious to a doctor. On the other hand, a lot of adult children “helicopter parent” their elderly folks (see Diane Keaton’s children in Book Club, if you’ve seen that movie). Based on your sister’s fairly dramatic reaction without any kind of accident, I suspect it’s the latter. But if you don’t think she’s generally too protective of her dad then I’d probably go along with the first part of her plan. Taking away his keys seems too extreme though.

    • Anonymous

      If your sister your father’s caregiver? Is she getting burned out?

      I have often seen that the child (usually daughter….) who lives closest to the aging parent becomes the de facto caregiver and gives much time and heartache to caregiving while other kids get to live their lives carefree. And then sometimes the distant child gets upset when a decision is made by the local child about finances/placement/driving. Often the nearest child does see the decline soonest and often knows best. It can be very upsetting when the other siblings jump in at these decision points and tell her she is wrong… because often she isn’t.

      Also, who knows what the doctor said. Most primary care doctors are terrible at evaluating driving and don’t intervene when they should. Neurologists do a better job, but tend to only see the patients with progressive dementia. I would not presume that the doctor has done a sufficient evaluation. In fact, most doctors are so scared of telling their patient they can’t drive anymore they avoid the topic entirely. I’m sure the primary care doctor didn’t check “his reflexes”. Most primary care doctors do not know how to evaluate a patient for driving safety.

      or is there something different at play here? Are you worried your sister is somehow…. trying to take advantage of your father?

      • Older Parent

        Thank you for your concerns and comments! But no – my sister is not his caregiver (he is completely independent and hires people for things like yard work; the only care she offers is driving him to doctor’s appointments when he cannot safely drive himself home) and I am not even a tiny bit concerned she is trying to take advantage in any way. She is a really wonderful person who loves him very much. When he stops driving (whenever that might be) she and her husband are going to be the ones who drives him everywhere since their rural area does not have public transportation or ride sharing so she is actually trying to take on a lot more work!

    • brokentoe

      In many states you can report a person who is struggling with their driving to the DMV. The elder driver will be requested to complete an interview with a DMV driver evaluator who may or may not limit driving privileges. Doctors don’t always have enough time or information to make these assessments. I’d trust the sister who sees it most regularly even if I don’t agree with her solution. How about setting Dad up with Uber?

      • Anonymous

        Check with your DMV. My MIL hit a certain age and had to go in for an eye exam in order to renew, rather than being able to renew online.

    • Anonymous

      I know I’m late to this story —

      Many older drivers start to self-regulate before you have to “take the keys away.” They don’t drive at night, or on the highway, or for long distances. The only reason I regularly see for complete removal of driving is dementia — being stopped by a cop and not knowing where they are, where they’re going, etc.

      Driving is a huge part of our independence. I work in transportation/safety and this is an issue that comes up a lot. I would urge you to talk to your sister, but urge her to not make rash decisions where a regulating step would help. Also a visit with his physician may also be in order.

  12. Anonymous

    I take care of my elderly parents and am very familiar with this topic. I belong to a caregiver support group, and we discuss it frequently.

    So, what seems to be the problem with his driving? What has your sister seen?

    He is relatively young…. is he developing dementia and gets lost? Has he developed weakness/numbness in his feet and is pressing the wrong pedals? Is he on high dose pain medicines and has too poor attention and slow responsiveness due to sedation and has had some close calls?

    Unless your sister has questionable judgment, I would give weight to her opinion, as she lives closest to him and ?is she is caregiver now? She has likely seen the decline in his skills most. Perhaps you should all get together as a family and start talking about plans for Dad long term, regardless. Jumping to hiding the car is a big step, and has been done, but usually that is the very advanced dementia/accidents/dangerous driver scenario, although it should never wait that long. I know of many people who have disabled cars, “borrowed” their parents car (and never returned it), or simply started driving their parent everywhere (volunteering… to keep them off the road) and over time the parent loses interest. But that works best with dementia. If your Dad is otherwise cognitively intact and his doctor is not concerned, this would not end well. It is always best if the doctor makes the decision, then your parent can only blame the doctor… not you.

    What state do you live in? Many states require older drivers to re-test at a certain age. Check if his does. In addition, in most states you can call anonymously and report a concern for a driver and that person can be called in to re-test. That can often work very well.

    And restricting someone’s driving is a HUGE step that cannot be underestimated. It often leads to a rapid decline due to the isolation and then you guys will need to figure out how he will live his life.

    And I worry a lot that your post doesn’t mention anything about his driving, or what your sister’s role in his life is relative to yours…. that is the most important stuff that is missing here. Not the nitty gritty.

    • Older Parent

      Thanks to everyone for their input. I was trying to avoid posting a novel.

      The long(er) story is that my father lives alone (divorced) but my sister lives very close and sees him often (they go to Church together; her kids swim in his pool; dinner once a week; etc. – it is small town!). He does not need any day to day help and definitely does not have dementia (as noted, he has an active consulting business and handles all of his own affairs). He does not get lost. My sister was with him on a recent trip to Big City and was concerned that he was changing lanes and (apparently) not noticing cars, that he seemed uncertain in unfamiliar areas, and (mostly) that his reaction times were too slow.

      Having said that – my sister is a wonderful person with good judgment but she does tend to hover and our father’s other health problems (he has a lot issues -it’s complicated – but he is not taking any narcotic pain medication) are causing her a lot of concern. He has difficulty walking due to spinal stenosis and problems with his hips, his balance is poor, he has fallen, and has other problems. If she had her way (and with her husband’s support), he would move in with her and her family but she has four kids and our father has been clear that he absolutely does not want to live with her unless he has no other choice.

      The problem is that I live on the other side of the country. I literally see him two or three times a year for 3-5 days at a time and so feel like I cannot just discount her concerns but in my heart of hearts I think she is overreacting. Certainly my first impulse was that we absolutely cannot steal his car! But it comes up here a lot so I thought it was worth asking.

      Thank you to everyone who responded. It helps.

      • Anonymous

        This is really helpful info. Thanks for sharing this.

        A couple things jump out at me. First, your sister may have every reason to be alarmed with his driving….in big city/highway traffic. That is the most dangerous traffic. It may very well be that he cannot manage that as well anymore, and it is often the first thing that needs to be curtailed (as well as night driving). When my father was in health not dissimilar to your Dad’s, we did have to relatively strongly curtail any driving on the expressway and in less familiar city areas. It was not well received, but with gentle reinforcement and by giving him some suggestions (avoiding high traffic times, driving to the city with others, using a ride service sometimes etc..) he actually agreed and admitted he was less comfortable than he used to be. But driving close to home was still very manageable and was HUGE for his independence.

        Is his area so rural that he basically has to drive on expressways/at night alone all the time? Then that may be an issue sooner than you would like.

        What is really jumping out at me are all of his physical problems… including falls. Maybe you can start by suggesting that it is time for some physical therapy. Any fall is a red flag and ever person should ask…. is it time for physical therapy for fall prevention? A fall at his age is potentially life threatening, and there are many warning signs here….. when you have spinal stenosis a routine fall can make you a tetrapelgic (paralyzed from the neck down!). They must be prevented. So he needs to have a good evaluation, and possibly a home check with an OT (occupational therapist) to help remove impediments that increase his risk of falls in the home. I’m sure if you guys talk with his primary care doctor and mention his falls,poor balance etc… then they will prescribe the PT and OT sessions. And what is wonderful about PT and OT is that you can quietly mention to them the driving issue. There are actually tests that the PT and OT can do that can help them determine safety for driving. And they are better than doctors at determining this. And again… this leaves it out of your hands. And if he does ok overall, they can refer him to a Driving Rehab series of classes (my Dad was referred to this) to reassess him even more.

        Again, I think it would be really wonderful if there was a way all of you siblings could come together some time soon to see him, and talk with each other about how he is doing and what you can do to keep him as active as possible for as long as possible. It sounds like he is a really independent guy. Instead of focusing on how to restrict him, pose it that you guys want to be sure he stays as healthy and independent for as long as possible, including living in his home for as long as possible.

      • Anon

        Similar situation with my mother in that she lived in a rural area and on a trip with her to the nearest large city with her driving, I actually feared for my life. She seemed otherwise normal at the time. It turned out that her inability to quickly perceive, analyze, and correctly react to the wide variety of sensory input provided by unfamiliar city traffic was about a five year precursor to readily apparent dementia symptoms. In her day to day familiar personal and work life she was able to compensate and hide the problem for a long time.

  13. In-house salary questions

    I am in the early stages of job searching for an in-house attorney position in the SF Bay Area. Some job websites provide an “Estimated” salary range. To be clear, these are not salary ranges provided by the job poster but rather an estimate supplied by the website aggregating the job postings. Anyways, these ranges strike me as be very low. Like I just saw a job at a publicly traded company and requiring 10 years experience, and the estimated range is $130k-170k. Does anyone know how reliable these estimates are? More broadly, how do I research what market salaries are when I don’t have friends who work in-house?

    • Anon

      I don’t have a specific answer to your question, but the range you quoted does not seem abnormally low. I’m casually looking at in house positions — have interviewed /have talked to headhunters — but perhaps not quite ready to make the jump yet. I’m looking at litigation/compliance type roles for people with 8-12 years of experience in DC-MD-VA area and the ranges I’m seeing are $150-to low $200k for base. Typically there is a bonus on top of 10-20% and if the role is the equivalent of VP or higher there might be profit sharing. Most of the companies are Fortune 200 or so.

      • Anon4This

        I would be in favor of starting a thread! In-house in SF Bay Area, 11 years experience, and my base is $240, so that seems low to me

        • Peach

          I would be interested, too. FWIW, I’m in-house IP counsel in Westchester in NY, and what I hear from recruiters is that the difference in pay between other places and the Bay Area does not really compensate your for the cost of living difference. The Bay Area seems like a place to avoid.

    • Anonymous

      That seems low to me, but not way out of the ballpark. I’d expect $150-200k plus bonus at a publicly traded company.

      • Anon

        Yes. Sf Bay Area, my company starts at $115k in house, but the hours are 9-5 and not a minute more.

    • Sam

      Not in legal so I cant help. However I’ve seen similar salary estimates (For VP Finance positions) and they seem abnormally low to me as well, I don’t think they’re reliable or maybe they have a small sample size and/or dont count other types of compensation.

  14. anon

    I’m a summer associate at a biglaw firm on the west coast, how casual is too casual when working with associates? I don’t say or do anything inappropriate but I keep my demeanour pretty casual and relaxed, throw out a joke here and there etc. Is that seen as not professional or respectful?

    • Ellen

      Yay, Fruegel Friday’s! I love Fruegel Friday’s and Nordstrom’s, where I am goeing tomorrow with Rosa.

      As for the OP, I do NOT think things are to different here on the EAST coast, so as a summer associate, there is NOTHING wrong with being relaxed and casual. You do NOT want to drink with the associate’s , especially if there are young men, b/c they will think you are available, which you should NOT be with them, even if you are otherwise looking for a man — you do NOT want to date anyone who you might eventually work for at this big law firm. The same goes in a smaller law firm. Do NOT get romantic with anybody. There are other men out there and I am sure they will find you if you give off the right signals. Just do NOT give those signals to people you work with. If you keep this in mind, you will be able to keep seperate your work life from your personal life, the way I do. YAY!!!

    • Anonymous

      Lawyers in jeans are still lawyers. Start each interaction professionally. Wait for the person more senior to you to indicate they want a lighter tone.

  15. NYC restaurant help!?

    Hoping for recommendations for someplace to grab a bite after a matinee broadway show in nyc tomorrow. Not super fancy, and hopefully not super touristy, but fun/cool/yummy and near the theatres! We are never in the city so I don’t want to waste it! TIA!

  16. Where to spend NYE in NYC with an 18 year old

    A friend is going to visit NYC during New Year’s Eve with her nephew who will be 18 at that point of time. It is her gift to his 18th birthday. They will be traveling from Europe. What would be the best option to celebrate the NYE? We assume that since he will not be 21, they cannot go to a bar.

    • Ellen

      Yes, he is not eligible to drink, or smoke. If he is from Europe, this may come as a surprise to him. Nevertheless, there are things for an 18 year old to do which are wholsome. I recomend takeing him on a tour of the Statute of Liberty, which will not be to busy then, and also to go to the Top of the Rock (Rockefeller Center), which is better then Empire State Building b/c you can SEE the Empire State Building from the Top of the Rock, but NOT when you are in it! Also, he can take a tour of Manahattan on a sightseeing bus, which should not be to cold b/c of all of the Global Warming. FOOEY! I saw the NY Times Magazine today that said we could have stopped all of this when I was a baby, but did NOT b/c we were to short sited. DOUBEL FOOEY b/c now we are ALL paying the price and schvitzing our tuchuses off. I would not mind looseing weight by schvitzing, but doeing other things more romanticeally in nature in order to get there! Dad also says he knew people who were trying to convince the Administration to do something, but they were GREEDY and wanted to make money in the stock market! TRIPEL FOOEY!

    • Anonymous

      That’s a terrible gift for an 18 year old European since he’d be used to drinking and adulthood and suddenly he’s treated like a child in the USA.

    • Ella

      So NYE is tricky in NYC, most restaurants have inflated pre fix pricing and places get VERY crowded. Do not go to the ball dropping, it’s so cold and you have to be there so long. There are often some great NYE concerts in NYC, I’d vote for that and just eating somewhere pretty casual nearby before the concert (check if reservations are needed).

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