Open Thread: Thoughts on Bathing

AOriginally uploaded to Flickr by happydacks. few days ago the NYT had an interesting article about people who don’t shower regularly. Reading it, I was particularly intrigued about the woman who, they said, was a “petite, put-together brunette,” who “showers ‘no more than three times a week,’ she said, and less if she hasn’t been ‘working out vigorously.’  So I thought I’d start an open thread… how often do you shower or bathe?  What are your thoughts on how that affects professionalism and decorum?

For my $.02 — I shower every day, although I’ve noticed in my older years that I don’t need to wash my hair every day.  (Still, the longest I can go without washing my hair is only 2 days — after 3 I need dry shampoo, at the very least, but I usually only do that if I”m trying to make a blowout last.)

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  1. The woman quoted was not me, but could have been. I generally shower 3 or 4 times a week in the winter, very often only 3. I wear my hair in a ponytail every day, so it doesn’t matter that much if it is shampooed daily. I have dry skin and scalp, and showering daily doesn’t actually seem to be good for it. Unfortunately, I drive to and from work and sit at a desk all day, so I’m not working up much of a sweat except at that gym. Showering daily seems like a waste of time, a waste of water/energy, and unnecessary.

    • This is me too. I shower and wash my hair probably about 3-4 times a week. My skin gets REALLY dry and showering daily makes my skin very itchy and flaky. I’ll use dry shampoo if necessary but generally my hair can go 48 hours without washing and still look nice. I actually get more compliments on my ‘dirty hair’ days.

      That said, if I go to the gym or do anything beyond work/the usual errands, I always shower that day.

      • You can always just wash your hair in the sink/tub.

      • What exactly is “dry shampoo”?

        • Dry shampoo usually comes in an aerosol can, and it’s a kind of powder that you rub into your scalp and hair to pick up excess oil. Then you brush or towel it out. You can buy small trial cans at Sephora, and I think Tressemme now makes a not expensive version at CVS.

          • I use baby powder on my hair before going to bed. It works just as well and it is much cheaper.

          • I’m in love with the Tressemme version. It’s super affordable & works better than a lot of the more expensive brands of dry shampoo.

            The concept of using a dry shampoo was a little weird to me at first, but now I’m in love with it. It’s even good to use on clean hair when you need a little texture for styling.

          • This is very interesting. My fiance has very very oily hair, and I’m wondering if this will help him as well. I’ll check it out. Thanks!

          • Dry shampoo has always seemed to weird to me, if you’re going to go to that much trouble, you might as well just wash your hair (I realize that drying time may be a factor).

            If you have curly or kinky hair that must be handled wet, dry shampoo is not an option.

          • baby powder also works wonders! I usually put my hair up on the dirty days, but baby powder makes it look really clean and voluminous even up in a ponytail. Just sprinkle a bunch of it on top of your head, get some above your ears and make sure you get it down to the root. Turn your head upside-down over the bathtub and shake the powder out using your hands. Finish with a blow-drier and a brush to get out the rest. Words WONDERS!

  2. Everyday unless I am literally not leaving the house that day (i.e., it’s a Sunday and I’m hungover). Sometimes twice a day if I work out. I live in a very hot/humid city in the south and “glisten” at least a little bit everyday from at least March-October (southern girls don’t “sweat”). I also can’t afford to cool my poorly-insulated, 12-foot-ceiling 1940’s apartment down to my optimal sleeping temperature of 68, so I probably glisten a little at night too. Maybe I am just a little more hot-natured than average, but I can’t imagine going more than a day without feeling the need for a shower. Maybe if it was below freezing for more than 2 days out of the year.

    I usually wash my hair everyday. I might skip a casual weekend day every now and then, or a workday once every few weeks if I oversleep, but my hair just doesn’t look good the second day unless it’s the day after a salon visit.

  3. I normally shower once a day – but skip days on the weekend when I don’t need too. Sometimes in the winter I switch to just washing my hair in the tub and doing a full shower every 2-3 days. My hair is really fine and can only go 48 hours max w/o a shower.

    I broke my leg last year and was only doing a full shower once every 7-10 days bc of the cast and I didn’t smell, or feel particularly gross (it was in the winter though, so I wasn’t really sweating). I washed my hair most days and did a quick underarm scrub too.

  4. At least once. More on days when I workout, run, hike, etc.

    • Anonymous :

      Same for me (every morning is a shower and wash hair after morning workout, then another shower in the evening after evening workout – whether or not hair gets washed depends on how sweaty it is, since I know I”ll be washing it in the morning regardless).

    • Same here. Cannot imagine not showering every day.

      Once every morning for sure. Often in the evening/night as well.
      I don’t wash my hair every time I shower though.

    • Same. I am a smelly person and absolutely need to shower regularly. My boyfriend, somehow, just needs to rinse off once in a while and never ever smells, gets greasy, etc. I think it’s just a body chemistry thing and there’s no one right answer.

    • Same here. I shower at least twice a day and have to wash my hair every day. I’m also fairly hot-natured and sweat a lot.

  5. Depends on the week.

    Most of the time… I shower almost every day except when I’m really pressed for time and need the extra 20 minutes of sleep or just really want to lay in bed hitting snooze. I wash my hair about 3-5 times a week depending on the week’s activities.

    Above goes out the window during (1) camping weekends or weekends at the cabin when I don’t shower, wash face, or do any beautifying rituals for as long as I’m there; and (2) those increasingly rare weeks when I’m much better about working out – I’m as swimmer and need to shower and wash hair to get rid of damaging chlorine.

  6. Ideally I shower five days out of seven and wash my hair once a week. But every month I have midlife-related issues that can get me into the shower twice a day. I feel more “on” when I’m freshly-clean and dry, whether I’m headed to work or not.

  7. I always shower and wash my hair on days when I exercise enough to work up a sweat. (If I work out at night, but plan to do so again in the morning, I may just wash off my body at night and not do my hair, since that will be taken care of 12 hours later or whatever.)

    If I don’t feel sweaty, I don’t shower as often. This means that when it isn’t super-hot, and I am not in an exercise mode, I might shower every 2-3 days.

    Sometimes, when I feel icky in only certain parts (like when it is that time of the month, or when I have been cooking and gotten food all up my forearms, or my feet smell gross, etc.), I will shower but not wash my hair. However, I have curly-to-frizzy hair, and the humidity of the shower isn’t great for its appearance, so this isn’t the best option.

    Also, I generally prefer to shower at night (mainly so I can sleep later in the morning and don’t have to compete with DH, who always showers in the morning), even though my hair definitely looks better before it’s been slept on.

    A hairdresser once encouraged me to use head-sweat and salts instead of shampoo (to just wet my hair and rub it in my scalp oils). I tried this, but I found that I got head-acne and my hair became somewhat limp.

    I use Bumble & Bumble curly hair shampoo and conditioner, but sparingly, because it is pricey.

    • Anonymous Poser :

      I’ve recently developed wavy and frizzy hair, and though I am not completely following the “curly girl” regimen, I do still like the scalp scrub she recommends: 1 tbs brown sugar mixed with 3 tbs conditioner. I expect it will help my usually flaky scalp, this winter. She recommends it once a week, but some do it more often. I would think daily would be too often for a scrub. YMMV.

      • Anonymous Poser :

        Oh! The scalp scrub is to be used in place of shampoo.

        • I have straight hair that needs to be washed every day – mainly to style it – but my daughter has curly red hair (truly enviable long red ringlets, actually) and I have found the Curly Girl book to be so helpful. I highly recommend that book.
          We are not going the no-shampoo route with her because she’s a kid and kids do get dirty, but I learned to wash her hair much less often than I do my own, use massive amounts of conditioner, only comb it when it’s completely wet, and in between washings, refresh the curls with a water spray bottle and my fingers.

    • I have the book, and I like some of the suggestions. (I’ve started drying my hair with a t-shirt instead of a towel and I think it makes a difference.) But I think maybe my scalp isn’t as dry as the typical curly-headed person’s. My Devachon (sp?) person at first tried to get me to stop shampooing or buy the no-poo, but then when she actually inspected my hair, she conceded that I could probably use real shampoo. Which I have chosen to do.

      • Anonymous Poser :

        Who would have thought that using something other than a regular towel for drying your hair could make such a difference? I actually splurged on a microfiber towel–TJ Maxx has some good ones for cheap. I use non-sulfate-containing shampoo about once a week, now, because I do have the standard dryness (weird after years of oily hair!).

  8. I usually shower 3-4 times a week… my hair looks a little more limp on the day after the shower, but it never looks greasy, maybe I’ll just wear a ponytail on the second day. If I am going somewhere important, I will always shower and do my hair before, of course. For me it is a time issue, drying my hair takes sooo long, and wearing a shower cap makes my naturally wavy hair kink up and wave with the steam – not pretty.

  9. I shower every day that I exercise, and I exercise almost every day. On a day that I don’t work out, I probably won’t shower, and the only thing that I notice is that my hair is easier to put up, because it’s dirtier. If you have fine hair, it’s a nightmare to style when it’s clean.

    I will say that my take on that article was that relying on strangers and friends to tell you you’re stinky is not an entirely effective strategy. How often do people write into advice columnists asking for help on telling a co-worker that he smells? I know that I tried a new natural deoderant in college, and finally realized that it was not working and that I REALLY smelled. My roommate admitted she’d been too embarrassed to tell me.

    (on which note, has anyone EVER found a natural deoderant that works?)

    • Anonymous :

      I use Crystal brand deodorant, and I found that the roll-on version works significantly better than the “original” crystal. I use pomegranate flavor, found in CVS.

    • The trick to natural deoderant is detox. You actually have to work to get the old chemical deoderant out of your pores. It takes a long time (like a month!) of using natrual deoderant and smelling bad, but once that is done the natural stuff works fine.

      • Oh man, really? I was really interested in trying it, but a month detox? Maybe when the weather gets colder…

        • Anonymous Poser :

          I’ve never done the detox. I’ve found that some natural deodorants work well for me, like Kiss My Face Liquid Rock Roll-On Deodorant Fragrance Free, and others–various Tom’s of Maine deodorants–don’t work as well. So I’ll wear the Kiss My Face deodorant even to work in seasons other than summer (I live in the humid South and frankly wear only regular deodorants in the summer), and other natural deodorants only on days when I’m off and/or only in the winter.

          Some natural deodorants don’t work at all for me, so I think it’s largely a matter of figuring out which ingredients work with your body chemistry.

          • Tom’s of Maine was, indeed, the one i had my biggest failed experiment with. Not touching that again…

          • Tom’s of Maine worked for me for about 2 or 3 years if I wasn’t exercising.

            Then is mysteriously stopped working – no idea what happened.

          • Anonymous Poser :

            I find that whatever deodorant I’m using, if I use it *exclusively* for a long period of time, will become ineffective.

      • Hm, I don’t think my life as a biglawyer can accommodate a month of stinkiness. Oh well.

        • Anonymous Poser :

          To be clearer: I don’t know that a “detox” is necessary for everyone. I even alternate use of a typical deodorant with a natural one on different weeks and sometimes even different *days*, and if the natural deodorant is one of the ones I know works for me (I test them on a day off when I don’t have any big plans), I have no problems.

          • to be clear, I was a life-long mitchum user. Depending on what you used to do and how your body chemistry works, you might not have as long of a transistion as I experienced. I guess my point was to say if you are trying to go with a natural deodorant, don’t give up thinking “it doesn’t work” without taking some time for your body chemistry to adjust. for me, it finally did and I smell better now than I did in the old Mitchum days (at least I think I do!)

    • I went through a natural deodorant phase in college, and my roommate was NOT too embarrassed to tell me (thank goodness?). I think I could probably get away with using it in the winter, but I lived in Texas at the time and it just wasn’t happening.

  10. As someone with oily skin and baby-fine hair that looks unwashed about 5 hours after a shower, I can’t fathom going three days between showers. How do these people know they don’t smell? Have they asked their friends/family/coworkers?

    I grew up with one girl whose family bragged about how much water they saved by keeping individual showers to three times a week. No one had the heart to tell them that the subject of their family’s pungent body odor was a well known fact in our community.

    • This happens a lot. It’s hard to smell yourself, so do check in with others! It’s really uncomfortable to tell someone they smell. In fact, see (b0tt0m of the first page). That being said, some people don’t smell as much as others.

    • Chicago K :

      Same here. My hair looks stringy by night time most days. I can’t even wash it at night and have it look clean through out the entire next day.

      I definately shower every day – sometimes two or 3 times a day. When it is hot in the summer I like to shower before bed to help keep me cool. If I work out at lunch, I’ll shower then and I always, always shower in the morning.

      I have a walking commute, in the summer if I don’t shower at night, I at least wash my feet before bedtime – I’m sorry, but feet get dirty walking around in sandals and flip flops and I know that’s not just my body! The dirt comes from the street – yuck.

      I am so jealous of people who can go a week without showering. It would be really nice to just get up and go in the morning, and not to have to wash/dry and style hair every day.

    • I am the exact same way. I am sooo jealous of people who’s hair looks still looks fine 2 or even 3 days after watching. Alot of days, my hair is noticeably limper by the time I go to bed.
      I know there’s the whole “train your hair/skin” thing – been there, done that, didn’t work.
      I can kind of understand the thinking to not showering every day. Sometimes when I get in the shower, I’ll just let the hot water run over my body (my face gets super oily, the rest of me not as much).
      And I live in the very and humid lovely state of FL, anyone who doesn’t shower daily (or near daily) during the summer either (a) lacks sweat glands or (b) is just flat out gross.

  11. At least every day. In the winter I can get away with showering at night, so then I only shower once a day, but in the summer I need to shower in the morning. And I work out at least 4 times a week so on those days in the summer, I shower twice. On the other hand, my hair is color treated so I usually only use shampoo on it once a week- the other days I scrub my scalp with conditioner then work it through my hair. My hair is clean, but not overly dried out that way.

  12. I shower every single morning, I can remember skipping a day only twice (car accident, flu). I run about 4.5 miles every morning, so getting dressed without showering would feel uncomfortable and gross.

    I shampoo and condition 5 or 6 days a week, sometimes skipping a day if I will be working at home–but I still rinse and dry my hair that day. My hair is fine and straight, and it would look lank if I didn’t do anything at all.

    A morning shower helps me feel energized, fresh, and more ready to face the day. I don’t think I would feel “right” all day without one.

  13. I wash my hair 2 times a week – generally on Mondays and Thursdays. Unless I have an early meeting (7 am) like today, so I washed it last night. I usually shower every other day. More frequently, if I’ve gone running or its 90 degrees out and I started sweating merely going from the office to the house.

  14. I shower every weekday morning because it helps me wake up before work (and I find it easier to wash my face in the shower than at the sink). I only wash my hair about 2 mornings a week though unless I’ve had a particularly vigorous workout or something. During the weekends, I usually only shower once (again, unless I’ve had a vigorous workout). If I don’t go out at all during the weekends, I’ve actually been known not to shower at all. I don’t think I’m particularly smelly though…

  15. Lionheart :

    I shower three times a week. My husband is the same. He’s got dry skin but I would say I’m average.

  16. I typically shower everyday. During the winter I shower at night and dry my hair and then in the morning just wash my face and style my hair. My hair is long and curly and takes forever to dry! Usually once a week I will just shower the next morning and wash my body and face and put my hair in a bun (with the Spin Pin). Also sometimes on the weekends if I am home by myself with the kids I won’t shower, but I usually feel better if I do, so I don’t do that very often.

    In the summer I usually shower in the morning and either put my hair up wet or do a quick blow dry and use some sort of curling gel and just leave it curly.

  17. I shower every day, but only wash my hair about 3 times a week. I have a head of hair that is curly, baby fine, and very thick, which means any time my head hits a pillow for sleep, it wakes up like I put my finger in a light socket. Even if I don’t shampoo, I still get it wet. I also run five mornings a week and can’t imagine not showering after.

    Going w/o a daily shower may be fine for some people, but daily strategic washing is a must! I’m looking at you stinky pits, stinky feet, and um, stinky crotchual regions!

  18. Anon for this :

    Great post! When not working out, I tend to shower every other day. Sometimes I wash my hair when I shower, sometimes I don’t. I wash my hair at a minimum twice/week. I also live in a cold climate and tend to have dry skin. If I go to the gym, I do shower that night or the next morning before work. Occassionaly, 1 shower will be the night before and the next one will be the morning of so it seems longer than “every other day.” For ex. Shower on a Monday night (counts as Tuesday’s shower) skip Wednesday, shower Thursday morning.

  19. Lana Lang :

    I just couldn’t not shower every day. Same with hair. As someone mentioned above, I might not shower/wash my hair if I’m not leaving the house due to hangover or whatever reason. My hair gets totally greasy by day two and it would not be appropriate for work. I’m not a particularly sweaty/smelly person (I hope!) but I do always feel a little scuzzy when I wake up and don’t feel un-scuzzy until I have showered. This is also why showering or washing my hair at night would be completely pointless as I would just have to do it again in the morning.

    It totally is body chemistry though – when I was younger I definitely didn’t need to wash my hair every day!

  20. I shower everyday. I cannot fathom not doing so.
    I have a sensitive sense of smell and trust – people can tell when you haven’t showered.

    I have dry skin, so in the winter I shower at night, and slather on moisturizer and fresh clothes. I do my face and dress in the morning.

    In the summer I shower at least twice a day if I’ve been outside. I grew up in a tropical country where this was the norm.

  21. I shower every other day, which amounts to 3-4 times a week. I also wash my hair during this time. I really don’t sweat at all… and I don’t go to the gym, so I really don’t see the need to shower more than that. Plus my hair is super long, thick and wavy, so I just put a little water on it on day 2 and 3, it curls back up and looks fresh as a daisy!

  22. I am the poster in #34.

    For those of you who go to the gym every day but only wash it 3x a week… how does that work??? Doesn’t your hair get sweaty and smelly and look gross?? When I used to go to the gym, my showers AND hair-washing got upped to once a day.

    • By wash “it” I meant to write “your hair”

    • Anddd by 34 I mean 35. Man I’m on a ROLL this afternoon :)

    • I put my hair up, and also wear a headband. Also, if I don’t want to wash my hair, I will plan to do something less sweaty at the gym…for example lift weights or do yoga.

      But if I am kickboxing, then yes, I need to wash my hair afterward!

    • I rinse my hair and put a small amount of conditioner on the ends, per instructions of an erstwhile stylist.

    • Putting a gym towel around the back of my neck at the gym helps me stretch out hair washings. I sweat a LOT at the gym but that helps keep the bottom part of my hair from soaking it up and I also use the front ends to wipe my forehead…it helps. I have really thick hair that I usually only wash every 3 days or so.

  23. I shower & wash my hair every single day.
    If I don’t I feel gross & itchy. Also, I can’t wake up in the morning w/o a proper hot shower.

  24. skippy pea :

    I have to shower everyday! Its just basic hygien. It does not have to take long and you can use after shower oils or lotions to combat dry skin problems.

    Has anyone tried body brushing?

    • Anon for this :

      Your comment is a value-laden judgment. Are you a hygeine expert? I really don’t think someone who showers every other day is unclean.

    • Anonymous K :

      Not to be rude, but it’s obvious to me that some of the posters aren’t taking into account that everyone’s body is different. It’s also obvious that many of the posters have never dealt with the same type of dry skin I have (and I’m sure others have).

      Combat dry skin with lotions and oils? Ha! I have psoriasis that is very resistant to every type of lotion, spray, etc. except Clobex. I can use the Clobex on patches, but considering that it is an expensive prescription that my insurance only partially covers, there’s no way I could afford enough Clobex to cover my entire body. Pay $1,000/month for lotion and spray (as opposed to the $200 I already pay) or not shower every day? Hmmm…not a tough choice for me.

      FWIW, every single roommate and SO I’ve ever lived with has been surprised that I don’t shower every day, and these people knew me for a while before living with me, so obviously they couldn’t tell when I hadn’t showered. I think the comments about being able to tell when someone hasn’t showered are just…off. Obviously you can tell when some people haven’t showered, but I’m willing to bet that those are you who are so sure you can always tell when someone hasn’t showered know at least one person whom you assume showers every day, but actually doesn’t.

      Everyone’s body chemistry is different; I don’t see why some people are being so judgmental.

      • Anonymous K :

        Oops, I meant to post this as it’s own thing, not as a response to #39, although it was partially in response to that comment.

      • This reminds me of conversations (not necessarily here but in general) where people are stunned by the idea that some people gain weight on relatively little food and other people can eat mountains of junk food and be a size 4, though I think most of us know people who fall into both categories. The “bodies are different” point seems to be an elusive one in our society.

      • I’m with you. I shower at least once each day but only wash my hair once or twice each week. As a black woman, this is not at all uncommon.

        The thing that bothers me in this post and many others is when someone states their opinion like it is fact ie “it is just basic hygiene”. No, it is not basic hygiene, it is just YOUR hygiene. Yes, this blog encourages personal opinions, but do we have to make other feel less than to voice that opinion?

        If you only want to take a shower once a month and it is working for you I say power on no matter what my personal preference might be.

        • I’m totally open to the idea that some people can get by on one shower a week. Or month. I don’t find it completely unbelievable at all.

          I am skeptical of the idea that we’re our own best measuring stick of how long we can go without a shower, though. In every group of people saying they only need to shower once a week, there is at least one person – if not two or three – who definitely NEED to shower more often, but no one has the heart to tell them. And there’s going to be the same couple of people that you’re surprised to hear saying they don’t need to shower more often because they always seem so fresh and so clean. If that makes sense.

    • “you can use after shower oils or lotions to combat dry skin problems”

      Don’t get me wrong, I love a super hot shower every morning before work which probably does not help my dry skin, but in the winter I slather on lotion in the morning and before bed and still spend most of the day with dry, itchy skin.

      • I have the itchy skin in the winter problem too, and I haven’t yet been willing to give up my daily morning shower. I find this helps a ton:

        If that link doesn’t work – it’s Aveeno Baby Soothing Relief Moisture Cream (the cream, not the lotion, and definitely the one for babies)

        Also, though I too love a long hot shower, when I really have this itching problem I force myself to turn the water temp down to lukewarm and shower as quickly as possible. I use a moisturizing body wash rather than soap, and I don’t soap my itchiest parts (trunk and thighs) at all. Then I put the Aveeno cream on my legs the very instant I towel them off.

        Hope this helps. I feel your itch!

        • My best friend has very dry skin and swears by Curel body lotions in the winter ….

  25. I work out 5-6 days a week (always in the morning), and I shower after each workout; it’s an absolute necessity for me. If I don’t make it to the gym before work, I will shower anyway because I hate going to the office and feeling unclean. If it’s a weekend workout I miss, I will occasionally skip the shower if I don’t feel that I particularly need one. But I shampoo my hair with every shower — it gets greasy otherwise.

  26. I shower 5 times a week, but only wash my hair 3 times. I have curly frizzy thick hair and it needs a break from shampoo sometimes. If I’m grody, sure, I’ll take a rinse or just wet my hair with a dab of conditioner. I don’t smell, I’m not hairy, and I look ok most days .

    • I should add that I do wear antipersperant/deoderant every day, and I religiously brush my teeth.

  27. I shower every morning before work and I can’t imagine not doing so. I am a warm and “active” sleeper (walking, talking, moving around, etc.) so I usually wake up a bit, er, “glisteny” to quote an above poster. I also shower on nights when I go to the gym after work, which is around 3x/week.

    I will try not to wash my hair unless I absolutely have to — if I can get away with dry shampoo, I will (my favorites are Big Sexy Hair and Unite 7 Seconds Dry), or if I just get it wet in the shower and dry it with a blow dryer, I’ll do that too. I’ll shampoo if I must, or sometimes I just use conditioner. FWIW, I used to have very thin, fine hair and then stopped washing it so much. It was oily for the first month or so, but then the magic kicked in and now my hair is much thicker and it just “works” better.

    On weekends I don’t have a routine so I’ll just do what I need to do.

  28. Animal Instincts :

    Anyone read the story awhile back that people who don’t shower every day may have MORE active bedroom lives because of pheromones?? Anyone else notice they are more frisky after working out w/ a partner. It is all because of subconscious ability to smell each others hormones. I’m not saying be a pig but being too clean might wash away some good stuff!

  29. I shower every single day and cannot imagine skipping it other than when I’m camping (in which case my grease-ball hair is covered with a hat or bandana). There is the occasional weekend where I don’t get around to showering until late afternoon and I just feel lazy and gross. I have tried to train my hair to only be washed every other day but that training phase resulted in my hair resembling an oil slick on the non-shampoo days.
    Also, even in the winter I shave my legs pretty much every single day. It really doesn’t take that long and makes me feel cleaner.

  30. Curious – How do people shower without washing your hair? Even with a shower cap the steam seems to change my hair, and water always seems to get in. Even the little beat of steam/water makes my hair kind of limp and lifeless – for me, its either full shampoo or no shower at all. Or is there a trick I’m missing?

    • Legally Brunette :

      The days when I don’t wash my hair, I have to pull it back in a ponytail. It just looks lifeless, but I don’t like washing it every day because it takes too much time. I think some people recommend sleeping on a satin pillowcase, that supposedly helps with making it look less limp.

    • spacegeek :

      To keep my hair dry on non-shampoo days I wear a microfiber towel turbin that twists and has a button on it– made for hair. My husband always laughs when he sees me in it but I don’t care.

    • I twist my hair and put it up on my head with a tooth clip and can usually manage not to get water on it.

    • I just wear a shower cap

    • I shower every day, but wash my hair only 3x/week. On non-shampoo days, I do get it wet, and use conditioner.

    • I just put it in a bun on top of my head and keep it out of the water. I still wash my face and everything. Big shower?

    • I shower every morning. I tend to sweat a lot at night and work out about 5 times a week, so it’s pretty necessary. I wash my hair daily in the warm months and 4-5 times a week during the winter and usually wear it up in a bun when I am in the shower. Typically I find it looks and feels nicer to the touch on the second day, but my scalp starts to itch sometime during the second day. On many days I don’t wash my hair, I will still get it wet and put in a leave-in conditioner before drying.

    • I put my hair up in a bun secured by a “jaws” clip. I wash my hair every other day, but shower every day, plus after a workout. On days that I don’t wash my hair, I wear it up, so the frizz/limp factor is not a problem.

    • Try a better shower cap, one with thicker plastic and a soft lining. Mine stays on really well and water doesn’t get in at all.

      • I usually clip it up and then wear a bandana or a wide terry headband (made for make up application, I presume) to cover the hairline and around my ears– that’s where all my frizz would come into play.

  31. Legally Brunette :

    I shower every day, but it’s mostly because I’m so tired in the morning and need a shower to wake me up. I sweat almost never, and I could probably go several days without showering but I don’t feel good about doing it.

    I do think that Americans are obsessed with hygiene and spend way too much TIME showering. My showers are 5 minutes tops — that’s enough for me to rinse my body, use soap, wash off, etc. If I wash my hair, I might be in there about 10 minutes, usually less. I think most of us don’t need to spend as much time in the shower as we do.

    I feel very strongly about deodorant, however. I know some folks who don’t use it/use it sparingly and they smell terrible. It’s really, really unprofessional.

  32. Very Very Anonymous :

    So, I can’t be the only one wondering this (or can I?) – but –

    Aren’t you all a bit sweaty with crazy/sweaty hair after a roll in the hay? If for no other reason than this, I definitely need to shower more than 3 times a week.

    • Also very anon :

      Haha. You’re thinking after, I’m thinking before.
      Even if I’ve had a morning shower before work, I usually have a night-time shower before getting it on (or skip if I know I’m not getting any!). I’d hate to have the hubs smell the day’s odors on me. (And on the rare occasions when I haven’t, he HAS noticed.)

    • yes, but my bf is 1000 miles away.

      And to also anon–I love the hand held shower. It’s also great for shaving, which said bf is quietly VERY picky about

      I’d love to see all the anon posts that would result from a query re such activity–do Corporettes subscribe to the old football line of thinking that it would sap their energy and spoil their game, or do most use it as a way to relax and up their confidence before a big day?

  33. twice a day. In the morning because it wakes me up, and at night because I need to wash my hair once a day because it looks gross if I don’t, but I don’t want to take the time to blow dry it in the morning. In the winter, I tend not to use soap in the morning–just stand under the hot water. I’ve got dry skin, so I probably shouldn’t shower twice a day, but it just wakes me up so much better.

    • If you have dry skin, you shouldn’t shower with hot water (I forget the reason why). Shower with water as cool as you can tolerate it comfortably – I’ve tried this for a couple years now and it has really helped.

  34. divaliscious11 :

    Um, really?
    Bathe every day
    Hair every 2-3 days in summer, may stretch slightly longer, but depends on if I am wearing natural or straight. If straight, weekly.

    • YUP! I shower at least once a day. I live in Texas, so during the summer I usually shower twice a day – in the morning after working out, and when I get home from work because it’s impossible not to sweat at least a little. But even if I’m just hanging around the apartment all day and not seeing anyone else — I might wear pjs or sweats all day long, but I always shower or take a bath.

  35. Anonymous K; have you tried epaderm? It’s an emollient/bath additive/skin cleanser. My mother used it while having chemotherapy, as it made her skin ultra sensitive, and I use it in winter, if I sun/wind burn or if my skin reacts to anything. It’s not for everyone but it might work for you. I buy a massive pot for a few pounds and it lasts ages.

    • Anonymous K :

      I haven’t tried it yet, but after a quick Google search, I’m not sure it’s available in the U.S. Have any U.S. Corporettes used it? Is it prescription? (It seems like it might be, but I can’t find a ton of information on it.) If not, maybe I can get a friend in the U.K. to send me some!

      • divaliscious11 :

        Or just order from a UK drugstore. the deodorant I like isn’t sold in the states so I order a four pack once a year from an online drugstore in London…

        • Anonymous K :

          I’ve found that you can do this with some UK products and not with others, which is why I asked if it’s available in the U.S. I’ve lived in London (on-and-off) for about 2 years (total) of my life, in about one month increments, so I’ve fallen in love with a few British products. Fortunately, I can order some from UK drugstores online, but that’s not the case with every product. Unfortunately, I’m most likely not going to be back in the UK any time in the foreseeable future.

  36. Today is a new low. It’s been 3 days since I washed my hair. No kidding. I have a 6-month-old and have slept approximately 5 hours in the last three days. Hoping to make it to the gym before my evening meeting so I can wash the hair…

    • I think every new mom (and those doing it the 2nd+ time around) goes through this. I remember going off on my hubby because I was so tired and hadn’t showered in 3 days when my little one was about 3 months old. I just kept saying “all I’m asking for is a shower once a day.”

    • Another Sarah :

      I always thought having a new baby exempts you from the whole “personal hygiene everyday” requirement… :-D

    • divaliscious11 :


      Put the baby in the bouncy chair and bring em in the bathroom with you while you shower… My little ones seem to find the shower noise soothing, kind of like rain….

      Hang in there…it gets easier…

    • I’d say a new baby is a completely legitimate excuse. You have more important things to do.

  37. I feel a bit icky if I skip a day of showering (on a work day in particular), but that’s just me. I guess it’s all how we were brought up too. But I have to say, for people skipping multiple days, I hope there is some targeted cleaning going on.

  38. It can be prescribed, but isn’t prescription only, most people just buy over the counter. Or at least I do. Most chemists stock it, a 500g tub is about £10, but I think you can buy a smallish tube for less if you want to give it ago first.

  39. AccountingNerd :

    If you only shower 3 times a week, you must not be having sex. A shower is absolutely a must after good sex. You are lazy too if you aren’t exercising hard enough to need a shower afterwards! That article is just plain weird.

  40. Every two days used to be my default. Now it’s most mornings, because my hair looks decidedly unprofessional after it’s been slept on. (I have curly hair and don’t own any of the following: a comb, a hairbrush or a hairdryer.)

  41. AccountingNerd :

    If you only shower 3 times a week, you must not be having sex. A shower is absolutely a must after good sex. You are lazy too if you aren’t exercising hard enough to need a shower afterwards! That article is just plain weird.

    • a-nonny-nonny :

      You’re correct. I’m not having sex. Does this make you feel better?

  42. AccountingNerd :

    If you only shower 3 times a week, you must not be sleeping with anyone. A shower is absolutely a must after a good roll in the hay. You are lazy too if you aren’t exercising hard enough to need a shower afterwards! That article is just plain weird.

    • Anonymous :

      If you post 3x re sex frequency, you must not be getting any either

      • Anonymous :

        Wow! Jump up and get in the shower after sex, and get rid of all that yummy smell? No thank you.

        • not right after–I love thinking I can smell his chest hair on me–but a few hours later, absolutely!
          Muslim guys always seem to go straight for the shower afterwards.

        • I think she means cleaning yourself before you shower. I’d say generally you don’t need to clean every part of your body everyday, but then, you never know where you’ll get kisses . . . .

      • female banker :

        LOL accountants are pretty lazy

  43. Parisienne :

    My hair looks best on the second day, so I wash it every two days. The first day is not bad. The third day not so good. Definitely it is a good idea to shower every day if possible. Am reading Wolf Hall – in those days – no plumbing. Just finished Madame Bovary. Also – no plumbing. Let’s appreciate and enjoy thegreat BIG luxuries that we have!

  44. anonymous :

    I am a shower every day type of girl. Even with a newborn baby, that was my must do every day. Sleep and meals were negotiable.

  45. One good shower every night before bed. Have a lot of hair that I let airdry overnight, so showering in the morning means an extra hour to my gettin’ ready schedule!

    I’m OCD about my shower routine too! lol.

  46. I hate showering every day. It makes my skin itchy, dry, bumpy and gross. But I have the potential to get pit stinky, so I shower anyway. I definitely do not wash my hair everyday. When it’s down and straight I can go up to four days before it starts to look grody. I have noticed that when I just rinse and soap pits and other lady bits and soap nothing else, my skin is a leeeetle better. So I opt to let my skin’s natural oils work whenever I can. I used to slather myself every night in baby oil gel which worked, kind of, but also stained all of my sheets. :( Sigh.

  47. My minimum is every other day, but I often shower daily just to wake up.
    After working out (swimming or otherwise) I almost always shower, unless it was a relaxing yoga class.
    My hair looks best the day after I wash it; if I wash it too often, it gets limp and greasy. This can limit the number of days per week that I swim. It’s best for my hair if I go 7-10 days between washing, but I like to swim every other day.

    Of course everyone’s body is different. My son’s father is Ghanaian–I’m going to read the Curly Girl book recommended above. I think his hair would make really good ringlets, but we can never get it to work as it’s often way too dry by the time it’s long enough for that.

    2 funny shower stories:
    I had a co-worker in Germany who showered less than once a week. We all knew when he had showered, and no one (in an office of French and German co-workers) tried to pretend he didn’t stink–we just didn’t mention it to him. He was married and I often wondered what his wife did/thought.
    My boyfriend grew up in a family with 4 kids and not a lot of money. He has really fine hair that was thin even when he was young. His dad would stand outside the bathroom and listen to make sure they weren’t wasting water, so he learned to wash it on the sly. Fortunately dad was blind, so couldn’t see the wet hair when he came out of the bathroom.

  48. Well, OK, not fortunate that his dad’s blind, but it was good for his high school beauty routine!

  49. Anonymous :

    I take a bath every night. Sometimes I shower in the morning too, just a rinse-off if I work out. I only wash my hair maybe every 3 days. I have hair that doesn’t appear greasy or oily very easily at all.

    I hope this is not indelicate. But I feel I need to shower/bathe every day because of female, um, odors that seem to develop if I don’t. Maybe this is due to underwear choice or something else but I can’t skip bathing for a day and I also usually can’t re-wear jeans and wool pants the way others talk about it here. It’s been this way ever since I hit puberty.

    I totally get there are people who don’t “need” to bathe every day. My husband is one of them – he doesn’t use deodorant either, and he never smells, not even after working out! I think some people just have stronger chemical composition of their sweat or something.

    • I have the same problem. The part that bothers me most is that after working out, I usually don’t smell bad like BO, but I do have that other odor that is pretty strong (my husband has said he can smell it). I wish I knew how to make it better! Like you, this has been an issue for me since puberty.

      • anon for this :

        Do you guys wear panty liners? When my bf tried to talk me out of them, I thought he was nuts, but I tried it for a couple weeks, and things got much much better down there. And make sure your undies are cotton too.

        And the hand-held shower mentioned above is great for when you don’t have time for a full shower but need to get those parts clean

        • female banker :

          what do you mean got much better

          • anon for this :

            I had a lot of discharge along with the smell, thought I needed the panty liners to contain the discharge, but it turned out they were causing it.

            and fb, thanks for the encouragement. I’ll try it tonight

          • female banker :

            no worries. also if you do it during your cycle, your pain tolerance is higher so if you want extra insurance, you can wait till then ..i think its just because the hair root is not very deep on breast tissue

      • It’s possibly a combination of two things: taking in too much sugar and not drinking enough water.

  50. If I don’t shower, my BF will only have conventional sex with me, and that doesn’t get me off. So girls, if you want the super sex I get, shower regularly, and bathe just before you go to bed. You will NOT regret it. But make sure you tell your BF to get in there with you, because he has to be clean before I can do him too.

    • I have to ask — what do you define as unconventional?

      • anon for this :

        Sounds to me like she wants him to go down on her, as in eating a boxed lunch. My guy is the same way, but also about shaving. He told me long before we got close to that that he finds shaving down there much cleaner, and I’ve noticed that he only ever goes downtown when it’s nekked. My breasts have never been sensitive, but he’s the first person I’ve been with since I nursed my baby (now 8 yrs old) and he showed me that I’ve developed much more sensitivity there! Yay–but then he didn’t do it again for weeks, until I asked if nipple hair bothers him. Turns out it does. He could’ve told me! Can anybody suggest painless ways to remove it?

  51. Not stinky :

    I shower every day, mostly because my hair is very oily and requires at least a little bit of shampoo at the roots or it’s gross by midday. Unless I’ve been sweating, I do not use soap anywhere except pits, feet, and girl parts. And I never use deoderant. I am very sure I don’t smell.

    • The smelly person never thinks they are the smelly person, and the smelly person often has friends/family who wont tell them they smell.

      I’ve never met an adult who doesn’t wear deodorant who does not smell. And I’ve met quite a few who don’t wear it and think they do not smell.

      I am sure you are mistaken.

      • I’ve found that Asians don’t smell as much as Caucasians. I think it’s because we (usually) have less body hair and less sweat. (I only have to shave my legs every other week at the most.)

      • My adult boyfriend NEVER wears deodorant and never smells. I, on the other hand, need 2 applications a day

      • Do you really believe that you know the deodorant habits of every adult you’ve ever met? That’s ridiculous. Granted, there are smelly people out there who don’t know they smell. But among the many, many NOT smelly people you encounter daily, you can’t possibly know their bathing or deodorizing habits. Everyone is different.

  52. All of you good people who don’t use deodorant and wash your nether-regions daily and still think that you don’t stink: you are mistaken. Uncomfortable truth, I know, but it is still true.

  53. The privates MUST be cleaned daily. Even if you don’t think your BO doesn’t stink, I think we can all agree that a dirty bum does. I wish this country would adopt the bidet like our Euro friends.

    • Just as an aside, all Muslim and desi (not necessarily Muslim) households have a container in their bathrooms close to the sink that they use to “water” themselves after using the toilet. Some use water cans for plants, big measuring cups, or the official “lota” (enter lota in youtube for a lot of hilarious videos). A lot of Arab households install a little hose (similar to the hose in your kitchen sink) for washing.

      • haha. I remember the first time I started dating a Muslim guy, I’d often do little things to help pick up his apt. Nothing big, but if he was folding laundry, I’d join in or put it away…that sort of thing.
        It seemed he always had recycling in his bathroom. Nearly every time I went in there, I found a Coke bottle on the floor. I couldn’t figure out who was drinking on the pot (or in the tub?) but took several of them out–until he explained to me exactly what you just said. Oops! I had known about the cleanliness with water requirement from some Libyan friends, but they were at my house or their restaurant, so they took a container in with them each time.

      • It makes sense. Much cleaner than dry TP. If only the rest of the world adopted a similar practice!

  54. Shower daily, no exception. It has to be done before I leave my house in the morning. Even if I don’t stink, it just helps to feel fresh. However, I have the type of hair that gets really dried out if I wash it every day, so it usually gets done every other day, or sometimes I’ll even go 2 days.
    Deoderant also a must… I’m just one of those people that the product was invented for. But some people truly don’t need it. My boyfriend rarely wears it and I can attest to his non-stinkiness. I also live in China where deoderant isn’t a common product (good luck finding it at the store!), but the vast majority of people I know don’t seem to suffer from it.

    What I do have issues with, though, is that some of my coworkers will come to work, unapologetically wearing the same outfit all week. I realize it’s common to wear some articles more than once before washing, but I also feel it’s kind of an unspoken rule that you’re supposed to mix up the outfit in the process. And some of those things need to be changed daily, like close-fitting shirts or camis.

    • I’m not sure one’s SO is the best person to determine their stinkiness. I have friends who swear their girlfriend is the best smelling person around and I can attest that she smells oddly like old sour cream and onions. I think we get used to the BO of those closest to us.

  55. Shower 2x daily.I livein a hot climate and sweat easily plus have short hair. While I can understand people in really cold places not showering daily, it does gross me out. What’s even worse is people living where I do – who don’t shower in the morning . They smell. And no amount of deo can hide that fact in a crowded lift!

  56. female banker :

    i am a banker and thus I can only shower once every 4 days but I dry shampoo it and use those wipes from always for my pumpum

    • What in the world does being a banker have to do with the ability to shower only every 4 days?

  57. i have to shower before work bc i feel gross and because it wakes me up. I have very oily hair too so i cannot skip a day of washing the hair either. On weekends i’m lazier and may not shower til the afternoon and by then i feel sooo gross. so even if im going nowhere, i shower. i think the only time i skipped a shower was maybe when i was deathly ill as a kid. and even then it was ONE day tops. i also shower at night after the gym, and that’s usually 5x a week. So twice a day showers for me. I swear i love how i feel post-shower, i’d shower 4x a day if i had the time hahaha. and i always moisturize right after the morning shower. hair is only once a day in the morning.

    • Johanna_D :

      I’m with you! I shower every morning and if I work out, I have to have a shower. I have oily hair and that definitely gives me away if I haven’t washed it for more than 24 hrs.

  58. Anonymous for this :

    Does anyone else find it a little creepy that some men seem to like a woman hairless aside from the hair on the top of her head, her eyebrows, and her eyelashes? It bothers me because that’s a more natural state for a woman who’s…a *girl*. And usually a pretty young one, at that.

    • anon for this :

      Don’t know if it makes him sound better or worse but…

      I’ve generally agreed with you, 1:13, and never shaved there before this guy mentioned it. His reasoning was pretty unusual:

      He’s short and was a band geek. When he got out of high school he had a bit of a physical inferiority complex. He really worked on learning how to please a woman in bed (indeed!) and also wanted to prove to himself that he could be generally attractive. He started lifting weights and got a pretty good body, and then took a job as, yes, a male dancer. It’s been about 2 decades since then, and he’s the sweetest, most faithful, non-gigaloo guy around. What’s remained from that experience, besides general confidence in his appearance, is that he shave himself down there completely. He’s been doing it so long it just seems ‘right’ and cleaner to him, and he prefers that his partner do the same. He explained this to me long before we reached that stage, and I think of shaving or getting waxed there as a favor to him, not as a requirement or something I “should” do for society’s sake. FWIW, I didn’t even shave my legs forever. My mom’s pretty pleased that I do that whenever I’m going to see him (which isn’t all that often–long-distance relationship). I’ve told him that if this works out and we’re going to be together, he gets to pay for laser hair removal. He hasn’t argued.

      But in general, yes, the twiggy, no-hair body thing can be icky.

    • anon for this too :

      Ooogh, I never thought of t like that before. I am officially creeped out. I do keep the area neatly groomed, and shave around the perimeter – as if I needed to get into a bathing suit. But only once or twice tried shaving the entire area. I didn’t like it because it made me feel like a little girl – plus I didn’t like the feeling of my underwaar rubbing all over my bare coochie skin. Oh, and then there’s the moistness issue. Am I sharing too much? :)

      • anon for this :

        lol–think we’re all sharing a lot at this point.

        It is definitely an unusually slippery feeling to be all shaved down there. I like it, but maybe that’s because I associate it with the other feelings I know are soon to follow.

      • anon for this :

        lol–think we’re all sharing a lot at this point.

        It is definitely an unusually slippery feeling to be all shaved down there. I like it, but maybe that’s because I associate it with the other feelings I know are soon to follow.

        Not sure what moistness issue you’re referring to.

  59. I shower every day that I’m going out to some formal activity (work) or sustained interaction with other people. I miss some other days because I’m depressed, but I feel somewhat gross.

    My hair is dry, thick, curly – kinky and needs to air dry, which takes a long time. If I lived in a hot, dry climate, I might wet it every day and let it dry naturally. In the temperate climate I live in, I probably wet it four or five days a week. Because my hair is dry, I shampoo it with a clarifying shampoo once a month. On other days, I use a daily cleansing shampoo for curly hair or use a conditioner as a shampoo, followed by conditioner for real conditioning. Whenever I wet my hair, I soak it, vigorously massage my scalp, and rinse several times.

    I use deodorant unless I forget. Many people are under the mistaken impression that they don’t smell. Just because no one says anything doesn’t mean a person smells fresh. Some of the people quoted in the article are delusional.

  60. this thread is getting gross.

  61. Every. Single. Day – shower, shampoo, deodorant – no exceptions.

  62. Cubans use a cup near the toilet too. I have one of those picnic plastic pitchers. My mom has an extra-large Taco Bell cup… I try to shower every day. I do skip it sometimes (out of laziness), but I feel icky and won’t have intimate relations with my husband on those days. I shower at night, but must use my cup to wash myself daily in the mornings. I know some people that shower morning & evening daily – I’m too lazy for that…

  63. I shower every other day unless I go to the gym, then every day. Usually how it works is that I shower one morning, go through my day, wake up the next morning, go through my day, and then shower that night, so maybe every 1 1/2 days.

  64. I shower daily, a.m., wash my curly hair every 2nd day, use deodorant daily, no perfume, and have a bidet. FYI, white, Irish, not exceptionally hairy, just terrified that I would be stinky and people would be too polite to tell me. Bigger question: What about the dry cleaning? I’ve actually thrown suits awa because no matter how often I’ve had them cleaned, they still stink. I’ll wear a suit about 4 times, febrezing in between, before taking it to the cleaners. Blouses, once or twice. Thoughts?

    • Christine :

      I’ve actually given in and washed a few blouses that I’d typically dry clean. I let them hang dry and then cool/warm iron them. Luckily, I haven’t had any issues with ruining the blouses (knock on wood). I feel that I’m forced to do this because the dry cleaners just doesn’t seem to get the stink out. As for suits, I am lucky enough to not have to wear one every day so this is a non issue for me.

  65. There was an interesting post a month or 2 ago about how to deal with stinkiness for clothes. One idea was vodka. I myself once boiled a shirt for 10 minutes and that solved the problem completely. A black knit shirt. It was a favorite, and no, amazingly, the color did not shrink or fade.

    I never wear a sleeveless blouse under a suit b/c I know that will eventually destroy it with stinky demons. And I do throw blouses away, egad. Next time I have some health insurance, I’m going to try like hell to get botox injections approved for my underarms. :) I also just got some prescription deodorant from a doctor – maybe it will work wonders? Haven’t tried it yet.

    • oops – the “shirt did not shrink or fade” ! not “color did not shrink or fade.”

  66. I’m confused… I have a sink – what’s with the cups in the bathroom? Washcloth, running water and soap work pretty well.

  67. I just had a comment forwarded to me that I can’t find above. Here’s my reply:

    The “cups in the bathroom” have to do with an Islamic injunction to wash oneself with water after relieving oneself. Using a washcloth would be…icky, and soap would be overkill. If you pour the water over [that part of] yourself, you’re a lot cleaner than smearing the germs around with tp, and the container doesn’t get dirty, because it never touches you.

    • I am so confused about how one can get water from a cup or bottle to reach their nether regions. Imagine, say, trying to pour water onto the bottom of your feet. It just isn’t possible without tilting them upward somehow. Is acrobatics involved in the water/bottle/privates affair?

      • Your own experimentation can probably provide a more satisfactory response than I can type here.

  68. Seems to me that the peri bottle they give you after a vaginal birth would be perfect for that.

  69. For ML and Mandy-
    You used to be able to buy armpit ‘shields’ for use in suit jackets on days you want to wear a sleeveless blouse under a suit. This protects the suit pretty well. BTW back in college I used to work at a drycleaner and one thing I learned is that dry cleaning is not the best method for cleaning. If you can spot clean areas with soap and water (testing a spot that isn’t visible first), I highly recommend that. Dry cleaning chemicals are toxic and leave their own chemical smell behind…they don’t remove other odors. Also I have loved the responses to this post. So very honest!

  70. Sharon TN :

    Each day, I shower and use deodorant. I wash my hair once a week.

    To those who believe they do not smell, know this: people just aren’t telling you that you smell, but you can believe they are discussing you and your BO, when you are not there.

    To “Anon for this too”—too much information but you had me laughing so hard, I had to get up and close my office door.

  71. I don’t take a shower everyday but I bathe everyday. I shave almost everyday. My hair can go a few days without washing and actually looks better the day after its been washed.
    I had 2 friends in college who didn’t use deodorant and didn’t have body odor. I thought I’d give it a try myself and by midday I needed another shower. I think some people can pull it off. So not wearing deodorant isn’t offensive to me, smelling bad does.

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