Coffee Break: Bobby Buckled Leather-Trimmed Quilted Tote
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Bored of classic, structured bags? This unique quilted tote from BOYY could be for you…
The bag is made from cotton-canvas with Italian-sourced leather handles — plus the oversized buckle that makes an appearance on most of the brand's designs, which provides some interesting contrast to the bag's softer silhouette. (The buckle can be unfastened, as shown here.)
The top of the bag has a hook closure, and there's one small inside pocket in the main compartment, which is a nice size at 24 cm deep.
The tote is on sale at Net-a-Porter for $787 (marked down from $1,125) — and in fact, all BOYY bags on the site are currently on sale.
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Sales of note for 2/7/25:
- Nordstrom – Winter Sale, up to 60% off! 7850 new markdowns for women
- Ann Taylor – Extra 25% off your $175+ purchase — and $30 of full-price pants and denim
- Banana Republic Factory – Up to 50% off everything + extra 15% off
- Boden – 15% off new season styles
- Eloquii – 60% off 100s of styles
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- J.Crew Factory – 40% off everything including new arrivals + extra 20% off $125+
- Rothy's – Final Few: Up to 40% off last-chance styles
- Spanx – Lots of workwear on sale, some up to 70% off
- Talbots – 40% off one item + free shipping on $150+
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Hard pass.
Yeah I don’t understand this bag… it’s like someone buckled a pillow into the backseat of their car.
It looks like teeth to me!
Or oversized marshmallows sewn together.
Mmhmm. A seat belt over teeth.
A braces bracket over teeth
And that white canvas is going to get so dirty! Ugh!
Just what any bag needs! Crevices on the OUTSIDE to trap crumbs and crap to match your purse’s interior crumb and crap collection!
It looks dirty already in the pic. I mind that more than the shape.
Me too. This is NOT the bag for me. No way.
But it’s on sale! Only $800! /s
I was just chuckling to myself thinking “wow I can’t imagine spending my mortgage payment on a really ugly bag” LOL
This is hideous. The shape is weird. I don’t get this at all.
Ugh. Just ugh.
Does anyone have a recommended 7-10 day Alaska itinerary? I’m thinking of going in August (if there is any availability left!) because it is somewhere I have always wanted to go and hopefully there will be far fewer cruise ships this year. We are a mother-daughter combo and avid hikers. I was thinking a few days in Denali and then maybe fjords. I would appreciate any suggestions/recommendations!
We were just considering it and the Alaska tourism website has some good proposed itineraries.
if you want to splurge to have someone take care of you on a backcountry trip and give you the most incredible experience — I HIGHLY recommend Alaska Alpine Adventures for any of their trips. the team is unparalleled.
I did Turquoise Kayak and Hike trip in Lake Clark during the pandemic and if we had F-U money, I’d do every one of their trip offerings.
There are absolutely going to be fewer cruise ships this year and none at all in Southcentral. How do you plan to get around? If you haven’t made a rental car reservation yet, you probably won’t be able to get one, or at least that’s what I’m hearing. Seward and Homer are really lovely communities on the Kenai Peninsula and I think you can take the train from Anchorage to Seward. You can also take the train north up to Fairbanks. I’m from Southeast and think that’s the best part of the state, but you have to fly between Southeast and Anchorage. Juneau and Sitka are the top two places I’d recommend — really gorgeous, tons and tons of beautiful hikes, you can walk right up to a glacier, there’s lots of great whale watching around, you can take a boat tour of Glacier Bay or Tracy Arm and there’s lots of fishing if you’re in to that.
https://thebigoutside.com/back-to-the-ice-age-sea-kayaking-alaskas-glacier-bay/
I just did an alaska trip! All land based with some short boat rides.
Denali is nice but I thought the Kenai peninsula was much nicer. We flew into Anchorage and spent some time there, then went on to a backcountry Kenai lodge, Denali, then Fairbanks.
There is limited staffing at most tourist places now because they weren’t sure what the summer tourist season would look like. However, everyone has been very happy to see tourists after being closed for a year, and the scenery is amazing.
Have you all done laser hair removal? Curious for real world results. I’m reasonably fair, dirty blonde, and tan very easily. I have nearly black brows, lashes, and hair down there. Highly sensitive skin prompts me to want to do the bikini area. Have you all done that and would you suggest it? Any comments about how…much.. of the bikini area can be done?
I’m very fair with brown hair, and lasered off everything below the neck. So ALL your bikini area can be done (it’s unpleasant but nor horrible). Took a lot (6-8) sessions per areas but I’m very happy with the results. I do shave my legs every couple of weeks to remove clear/pale baby hairs and to exfoliate and need a bikini area touch up after about a year, which is common.
I did all of the bikini area, everything down and around there. I have the same skin and hair coloring as you.
Some of the laser techs didn’t want to do the inside of the lips, they claimed it would burn my skin, but others weren’t squeamish. Hormonal changes during pregnancy caused some of the hair to grow back, which is a common side effect of pregnancy. Only the very center hair grew back though, I still never shave to wear a swimsuit. I highly recommend doing it, its the best.
I am fair skinned with brown hair. Also some blond hair. And now some grey hair. I had laser hair removed from ankle to armpit 7 years ago and haven’t looked back. I shave once a month for touch ups. The lasers really do not see light hair against light skin and so I still have blond hair that continues to grow. it’s nothing compared to what I used to deal with though.
I got everything removed down there and it’s wonderful. Yes it’s a little weird to have the technicians lasering in that area but I do not miss having hair there.
I’ve noticed, and was warned about, that over time hormonal change may cause some of the darker hair to grow again anywhere you have had it lasered off, but for me it’s a pluckable amount and I haven’t bothered to go back for more treatments.
I think it’s been worth the cost. It’s freeing not to be tied to shaving. I actually forget that shaving is something I used to do every day in the summer. Bonus: for the small amount of shaving I do now, I can buy cheap razors and dry shave. It’s just better all around. Do it!
Undergoing it right now, and very similar to you in coloring. I have completed 2 treatments at a highly respected day spa, with my third coming up. They’re getting rid of the whole bikini area hair shebang for me – but they can remove only what you want. They just told me to shave what I wanted lasered the day of my appointment and leave longer what I wanted to stay. I am noticing significant improvements already with just the two treatments. I will say that for the outer portions they use a higher powered laser like what they use on my underarms and legs, and that’s where the most progress has been made. For the labia and portions where the skin in naturally a darker color, they use a different laser that will take longer to show results, but will be safer from a “don’t burn me” perspective. Even with only two treatments, it’s worth every single penny. I haven’t had any ingrowns since they started, and that’s a MIRACLE.
Does anyone have an idea of how much it costs in real life? There are so many weird “80% off deals” and other ads that make it confusing. For example, if you were lasering armpits only, how many trips would it take and how much would it cost at a reputable place?
I just finished session 3 of 6 for my bikini line (just the area you can see in a swimsuit), and it’s costing me $475 at my dermatologist’s office. I’m not sure if there are cheaper options, but I liked that the aesthetician works at my doctor’s office. Like the poster above, mine has been shockingly effective so far! I get horrible razor burn and ingrown hairs, and haven’t had any ingrowns since the process started. I’m only sad that I didn’t do it sooner, honestly, because it’s such a miracle. I can see some hair still growing, but maybe like 1/8 of what was there, already! I’m pale with very dark hair.
My only caution is to say DEFINITELY use the lidocaine gel they offer, and I was surprised at how much it hurt the day after. My first trip hurt for several days, like a really bad sunburn, complete with some welts. I told the aesthetician the next time, and she adjusted the strength of the laser (or something like that!), and it hasn’t been as bad. She told me not to work out the day after because getting the area hot or having the friction of clothes can make that part worse. I work at home, so I have been wearing pj pants for the two days after, and it hasn’t been bad.
$475 per session, or for all 6?
…this is so helpful! Thank you.
For all 6! My place has a set menu of prices by area. Armpits were a little cheaper than bikini line. I think lower legs were the most expensive area and were something like $1200 or $1500 for all the sessions. Full bikini was something like $800 or $1000, I believe.
thank you, this is so useful!
I did a Brazilian and it was $275 per session. Small city in the Midwest. I did 4 sessions and am happy with the results, although I could probably get one or two more. The remaining bits of hair don’t bother me (not enough to need to shave to wear a bathing suit) so I decided I was good.
I’ve done my underarms only (same skin tone) for at least six sessions and it only helped a little – its less thick, but I still have plenty of hair. I’m still pretty bummed about it, and an hesitant to spend more money on it if it ultimately won’t be worth it for me. Maybe one day I’ll have the disposable funds to do it again.
I am doing it now and it is amazing. Two years ago, I did some Groupon ones and they were fine but my husband bought me 5 sessions at a true Med-Spa for Christmas and it is amazing. I have had two treatments so far and it is working so well. I have like you except fair skinned. I have blonde hair over all of my body but legs, underarms and bikini are dark and it is working great. The difference in the two places has been very noticeable so I would suggest not falling for Groupon like I did.
Reposting from earlier this afternoon –
For people who spend time on camera or on stage in a professional capacity, what resources did you find to improve your skills? I’ve just joined an organization in a capacity where I will be interviewed, on panels, and speaking in front of larger groups. I am particularly interested in how to be more camera ready (make-up, Zoom, clothing, presence). The organization doesn’t have the resources for a consultant or anything. This will all have to be self taught.
I find practicing in front of mirror helps.
I’m taking my 16 year old DD to NYC this fall for a mom/daughter trip. We’ve been before and done the major sights and museums. We have tix to a show and I’m planning on Tenement Museum. My DD would really like a food tour-any suggestions? Any other ideas for a teen?
I’m curious as to what DD would wear to a show — we haven’t been anywhere in so long, let alone a show in NYC, that kiddo maybe has no clothes that fit from before other than hoodies. Assuming evening performance. In your same boat — teen kid + parent on trip from flyover USA.
Seriously people wear anything and everything to Broadway shows. Most people will be more dressed up in hoodies, but rest assured your kiddo will not be the only one in a hoodie and it won’t be only kids wearing them.
…more dressed up THAN…
+1. I am always surprised that people are less dressed up for actual Broadway shows than they are for the touring productions in my small city. I would take kiddo shopping before the show for a dress to wear.
Tbh, I was super disappointed with the Tenement Museum. You have to go with a tour guide and ours treated a group of adults like children with dumb call and response.
The Cloisters is different, and highly recommended if you have a day when people are feeling a little over stimulated.
Ummm please buy your child clothes then?
To an evening fall Broadway performance you could wear jeans, a nice top, and boots, or a dress
Srsly, for a year kids have been growing in size and going nowhere (in my city, not even to school) and doing nothing. Hoodies were fine. Leggings / joggers were fine. It is summer now. Back to school shopping when kids can go into stores and try things on will be amazing to them I bet.
I went to 2 Broadway shows as a teen and got reasonably dressed – probably wore a dress that I’d wear to Christmas or something both times.
My parents made us dress reasonably well as kids (in the 00s)- no sweats on planes, had to wear jeans (no sweats) to family friends houses for dinner, no jeans to church or to family holidays. My parents still her annoyed when they’re out to a nice dinner at a nice place and people are way under dressed. It was mildly annoying as a kid but I really do appreciate when people are appropriately dressed for the occasion.
If she is a dress person, I would get her a fun summer dress, something like Vineyard Vines or Lilly.
Yes definitely a fun dress!
It was >90 degrees earlier this week in NYC. I think you need something other than a hoodie just for that reason.
Your designated driver?
Daughter
Ahh, your designated daughter!
My parents still live in NJ. I showed my teen nephew the Tom Hanks 9/11 NY Waterway Ferry evacuation movie and then we took a ferry across the Hudson from Weehawken (site of the A. Ham and A. Burr duel) and went by the Intrepid. It was very moving to him (he knows the Miracle on the Hudson story and has seen the movie).
My suggestion is to go to Viator and search “NYC food tours and read the reviews until you see one that looks like fun. I’ve done several that I picked that way and haven’t had a bad experience yet. Brooklyn might be fun as it’s off the beaten path, also Greenwich Village is fun because of some of the history aspects.
If you haven’t done the High Line, definitely do that, if only to gawk at the multi-million dollar apartments just yards away.
Maybe a brunch cruise in the harbor?
Also depends on the teen, of course, but I’ve done vintage clothing shopping tours and had a blast. Like this one: https://www.viator.com/tours/New-York-City/Second-hand-Shopping-Tour-Cheap-and-Chic-Manhattan/d687-107459P1
LOL that Brooklyn is off the beaten path.
Haha noted.
I read an article that Washington Square Park has really gone downhill lately. Like SF levels of open drug markets and just squalid. I used to love to hang out there but IDK that I’d take my kids there unless some friends still there could vouch that it wasn’t as sketchy as I’d read. And I was there in the 80s.
I was there with my teen 2 years ago and it was fine. But maybe something happened during the pandemic.
Crime is up nationwide (and by big margins) since last year. It sucks.
i would not be there at night right now – nyc
I was there a couple of weekends ago. It was fine! Joyful, even.
But I grew up in NY and remember when it was actually sketchy. Maybe my comfort level is different? But seriously, it was fine. Yes, people sm*ked pot. When I was a kid you actually went to WSP to buy pot though. I don’t see the need for a curfew and the whole situation seems to be made worse by it, not better.
Seconding the rec for the Greenwich Village food tour. I booked a tour for my daughter and husband to take and she loved the vibe and area so much she’s going to NYU next year!
Oh, and Katz’s Deli is not far from the Tenement Museum and that’s a fun stop, especially if she’s seen When Harry Met Sally. (There used to be an amazing Vietnamese restaurant right down the block from the museum but I am heartbroken to find it didn’t survive the pandemic.)
I believe Katz’s closed- you can still do takeout/delivery, but there’s no more eat-in restaurant.
(Besides- way, way, overpriced)
Katz’s is open. But I would go to Russ & Daughters and then take your daughter to Economy Candy.
My kids really enjoyed a boat cruise around manhanttan with their dad while I was at meetings. It seemed hokey to all of us but they really ended up having a great time.
My kids also walked all the way around Central Park by themselves when they were 14&16. They were tired at then end – I met them at the Metropolitan Museum of art at the end, and they didn’t have the energy they would normally have had for that – but they really count it as one of their major memories of that trip.
(also, they really still talk about their Zucker’s bagels)
My nephew really liked the subway and the fancy tilework. He has never had that where he has lived.
Husband and I did Scott’s Pizza Tour in NYC and greatly enjoyed!
My slightly younger teen enjoyed the High Line, walking over the Brooklyn Bridge, and just walking around neighborhoods and getting bagels, coffee, dinner at local restaurants, etc. Also Hamilton. Dear Evan Hansen and Mean Girls were also very popular with this age group at the time, but that was two years ago.
What kind of food does she like? Caveat that it’s been a few years since I lived in NYC but I think you could go to a mix of take-away and outdoor dining. For a teen I think the following places could be fun/interesting: Veselka (24 hrs! Iconic Ukrainian and also burgers salads etc), Katz’s Deli (pastrami sandwich), MUD Coffee (also has a great brunch), Levain bakery (cookies), Magnolia Cupcakes (bleh I hate them but they’re kind of an NYC thing?), Mamoun’s Falafel in the village, Van Leeuwen ice cream truck, Ess a bagel, maybe something kinda upscale like Walters in Fort Greene (BK). For the experience I’d totally add in one of the decked-out Indian restaurants like MILON on 1st ave
NYC literally has every cuisine so maybe try something new
Whatever you do, don’t stay near times square
One of the things that my kids loved was that they were always designated navigators. Before subway apps, they would use a subway map to plan our route to different places. They were also charged with navigating in the stations: “go down THESE step because we are headed to Union Square.” It made them feel capable and involved and it was great practice for college independence. Speaking of Union Square, the green market there has been a long term favorite for my kids, lots more than fruits and veggies, and there are always new discoveries.
If you’re both a little adventurous, the Queens Night Market is an amazing food experience, with lots of authentic international food vendors and performers. Also, if they’re back to regular service, pair the trip to the tenement museum with a meal at the Russ & Daughters cafe. If she’s into music or comedy, City Winery is an all-ages venue, so it’s worth it to see if there’s a show you’d like to see there during your visit. And there’s a new park that just opened, Little Island, on what used to be Pier 76 on the Hudson river.
oops – used to be Pier 54, not 76.
Yes to Queens Night Market! Joe DiStefano also does amazing tours of food in different Queens neighborhoods, for a similar vibe.
I don’t know of any food tours, but here are a few other ideas:
– The Edge near Hudson Yards opened recently, and the view from the skydeck is spectacular
– Ferry to Red Hook in Brooklyn and eat somewhere fun like Brooklyn Crab
– Lunch or dinner in the West Village
– I know you said you have done all the museums, but the Halls of Gems and Minerals is re-opening this weekend at the AMNH. I went to a preview night for members, and it is really cool. Could pair this with a walk in Central Park.
– It is touristy, but honestly, I find the Boathouse to be a nice, classic NY setting for lunch for out of towners. [Could be done after/before a visit to AMNH.]
– Walk over Brooklyn Bridge
– Visit to Columbia University campus
OP here. Thanks for some really good ideas! So excited to start traveling again.
It’s super touristy, but my daughter LOVED Ellen’s Stardust Diner with the singing waitstaff. I took her there for her 9th birthday. She’s 14 now and still talks about it.
I could really use some advice. I was recently promoted to equity partner. I manage a team of associates, and I also work with 4 or 5 other partners and work with their associates as well. I am the most junior partner on a very busy team (~300 hours per month). I have recently received feedback that I am “critical” and “curt” and “cold.” Associates have apparently complained to HR that I am “never happy.” This is a hard thing for me because when I was an associate (not so long ago!), I am told that more junior associates viewed me as “beloved.” I am still the same person. What can I do?
IDk but I bet they’d never say that about a man.
Right? At least not to HR.
Seriously I feel like the correct response to that is “Yes, and?”
I am a bit stunned — even if associates said that (dumb on their part), I am very surprised that HR would repeat it. You know who you work with. And now it’s confirmed that they are a bunch of whiny babies with bad judgment. There are things to mention to HR; that you don’t think you work for Miss Congeniality shouldn’t be one of them.
Yeah this sound like an HR problem not a you problem. I don’t know what to do about it, besides dismantle the patriarchy but it sounds like some outdated BS.
In the words of Elsa, let it go.
Do you say thank you?
This is a great question – even with parents that I routinely work with and spend more time talking to than my own husband, I receive intentional thank you emails after closing. They’re not gushy, but point out a few specific things that I did, usually mention something that went exceptionally well or acknowledge a challenge/crappy part of the deal and how my help made it less crappy ( maybe I was able to be the good cop to their bad cop on calls, maybe I handled more grunt work so they could focus on an esoteric piece that read super complicated and needed lots of focus, and sometimes it’s just been thag they are genuinely thankful for a positive attitude when things got real s h I t t y. ) A genuine thank you goes a long way in my book.
You have the respect of the people who made you equity partner. That’s really more important. But since they probably wear pants vs dresses, do you think that they know how the HR / feedback system they put in place is working (and treating women equity partners)? Like would they put up with this ish if it were directed at them?
If you care enough to ask, I can’t believe that you are really that bad. And I agree this is likely a situation where you are an easier target than some men–from the perspective of these associates and HR–so they’re directing their “constructive feedback” to you.
But if you are interested in being a good boss, I like Adam Grant’s twitter account as a starting point/ food for thought.
It’s really easy to make the default assumption that this is gendered criticism and dismiss it, but I think it’s worth giving it some consideration first. It’s worth trying to take a step back and consider objectively whether the criticism is valid and whether, at your specific firm, a man’s behavior would be viewed differently. I think it’s also worth putting some thought into whether your behavior has changed. You said you were recently promoted. Given that the other big recent event is a life changing pandemic and remote work, I wonder if something actually has changed in how you interact with your associates that isn’t related to your promotion. On the flip side, maybe you haven’t changed but their stress tolerance has decreased due to working at a very busy job during a pandemic for over a year and they are just getting really burned out. Maybe the company culture has become critical and their work never feels good enough, and as their supervising partner they are directing that frustration towards you. There’s way too many possibilities for internet strangers to know whether there’s something valid about this feedback or not, but you might be able to gain some useful insight by taking some time to really reflect about it. If you do that and come to the conclusion that it really is just useless, biased complaints then at least you can feel secure in ignoring that garbage.
First, congrats on your promotion to equity partner! Second, I would echo this. I think it can absolutely be sexist and some of it is just work styles, but as a sr. associate who struggles to keep being as “nice/not annoyed/full of patience” when I am overwhelmed with work or supervising too many people (vs. when I am “mentoring” them or things are slower), I could totally see this being something I would struggle with and if I continued struggling with it, I could 100% see someone saying the same about me. Consider your interactions with these folks and whether your frustration/business is transferring over to how you supervise them (e.g., being frustrated about something that maybe doesn’t merit that level of frustration, but it’s heightened by the client driving the deal to a faster timeline, etc.). Good luck! I don’t think you are a different person, but your stressors are different.
This is an excellent response! I had been about to suggest not automatically dismissing criticism as sexist or unimportant. Associate happiness is directly tied to associate turn over and there are real costs (financial and work product) to widespread dissatisfaction.
By all means consider the possibility that you are surrounded by misogynistic complainers or your HR is incompetent. But it is worthwhile considering how you come across as a boss (especially given the pandemic and lack of in-person interaction) and considering changes you could make to seem more approachable and appreciative – particularly in a remote workplace.
I appreciate all of these comments, especially from Betsy. Thank you! I have been on this blog since I was a 1L so I always know I can come for advice (and commiseration!) here.
I would take the time at the end of a major project to provide project feedback. That will balance out any terse in the moment feedback. I take the time to thank associates, flag things that went well, and give a heads up on areas for development and an offer to chat further.
I am trying to do more of this now that I am a sr. associate!
The truth is you aren’t the same person if you are now an equity partner because you are in a different role and your relationship with associates is completely different than when you were a trusted senior associate. Consider if the feedback is meritless. If it’s not, consider whether you are providing people context and making sure they get feedback or just doling out work; saying thank you; and actively recognizing and ideally rewarding the people who are probably working extremely hard under challenging circumstances.
I have a basic set of plain white Corelle dishware. The dinner plates keep coming out of my dishwasher with worn edges. The glaze will get dinged, but just on the thin edge and sometimes they will get slight nicks in the actual plate. Has anyone else had this problem? Is this an issue with the dishes themselves or the diswhasher?
I never had this on the old Corelle that I hated with the I heart country pattern on it. The plain white I bought (and kept rebuying): constant problem. Some edges are really sharp! I think the new stuff isn’t as good as the old stuff. I replaced with Fiestaware. It is heavy AF but doesn’t seem to have this problem.
I have the same dishes but don’t have a dishwasher and have never noticed this problem. Which is concerning because I’m about to move into a house with a dishwasher (finally!).
I wash my white set in the dishwasher and haven’t noticed this. I bought them within the last 5-7 years.
Book recommendation for everyone concerned about Amazon! Fulfillment, by Alec MacGillis. It’s very deeply researched. Seattle-area readers might be especially interested for the local issues covered.
I really liked this book too. I especially liked the chapters about the Baltimore steel plant- makes it clear how much workplaces have changed and Amazon is just part of it.
Just what any bag needs! Crevices on the OUTSIDE to trap crumbs and crap to match your purse’s interior crumb and crap collection!
How are you getting crumbs on the outside of your bag?
Any good or bad experiences with rugs from Costco?
I bought a room-sized wool rug years ago and was very happy with it.
This morning’s post about DC & falls church had me thinking. Anyone raised kids through high school in NW DC, east of Rock Creek Park? Please give me your best life hacks and tips for making it through DCPS or charters and beyond!
Thank you!
I have a family member who wants to go to law school. They were accepted into Harvard University and I assumed that’s where they would go to law school. (They were born/raised in Massachusetts and did their undergrad here though not at Harvard). But instead they want to go to law school in Arizona because they were offered a full scholarship. If they go to Harvard or any other law school they were accepted into they would have to take loans. My family member says they will live and practice in Arizona after school and their goal to work in public service or the nonprofit sector. Would you encourage them to pick Harvard instead (and then work in biglaw to help pay off the loans when they graduate) or is going to Arizona the better decision? I’m just floored that someone would turn down Harvard.
I think they are a smart cookie.
I would definitely take the full ride. I am a happily practicing lawyer and have been for nearly 20 years, but not having that debt hanging over my head (I had a full ride) has given me all the flexibility. I am still practicing because I want to, not because I had to.
Took the full ride. Reaping the benefits.
I would absolutely go to Harvard it opens way more public service doors but it’s their choice.
I think that is only true for glam national nonprofits. If you actually want to be a public defender or legal aid lawyer in AZ, go to law school in AZ for free.
This person sounds like has never even lived in AZ so idk how they’d be that sure
If they are smart enough to get into Harvard, I’m sure they will be successful no matter what they decide to do. I think not taking out loans is a very smart move especially if they want to work in public service. Going to Harvard with a plan to work in biglaw to pay down loans to ultimately end up in public service is a silly plan and a waste of hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of their life.
Yes! Of course people transition from Big Law to public interest or nonprofits, but that plan is the start to golden handcuffs.
I went to a state school on a full ride, never had to work Big Law hours, and now have a job at an international nonprofit. I’m very happy with that path. I will say that if your relative wants the really cool jobs at some of the very well known advocacy orgs or in certain federal government positions, then an Ivy would be helpful, or maybe mandatory, but there are plenty of other jobs out there that accomplish similar goals and don’t require $200k+ in loans.
I went to a state school instead of an Ivy League because I had a partial scholarship and going to a local school was actually an advantage for me. Nothing wrong with Ivy League and they do open lots of doors but local schools can be good too if you are planning to practice in that market.
If they want to stay in AZ, it’s a no brainer. Take the full ride. Honestly, I’d take the full ride any day, all day having been there and done that (law school, not Harvard). I went to a T4 and while I am doing perfectly fine (it’s well-respected regionally), I wish I had been able to take a full ride ANYWHERE because having SL sucks.
This. Unless you want to work in biglaw or clerk (Ivys open up a lot of options here), don’t take out loans. FWIW I went to a top school with a robust public interest forgiveness program and want to flag that just because there’s a public interest forgiveness program doesn’t solve the problem. Often those public interest positions are highly coveted and difficult to find/can be as competitive as biglaw positions. Going to a regional school opens up a lot more options in terms of the types of jobs that recruit on campus. If you want to practice in a particular region, it absolutely makes sense to go to a law school located there. As someone noted on the pro harvard side, networking is important but think about who you’re networking with and why. If all your classmates and professors work in biglaw or the federal government and you want to live and work in AZ, I’m not sure how valuable those connections are.
If this person actually wants to live and work in Arizona that makes sense, otherwise I’m not sure it does. Does Harvard have a specific public interest loan forgiveness program? Also, how are these the only options- most people i know who got accepted to Harvard got at least some money at UChicago, Penn or Georgetown and full rides from places like BU, GW, Fordham.
They did get accepted to some other schools but Harvard was the only Ivy League and T14, and Arizona was the only one that offered a scholarship so I didn’t mention any of the others.
Harvard Law School has a loan forgiveness program for alumni in public service: https://hls.harvard.edu/dept/sfs/lipp/ . I would consider checking it out before making a decision. An HLS diploma does open many doors, and the networking/connections are important too.
If they want to work for a national non-profit, I’d probably recommend going to Harvard and either working in Big Law to pay it back or (smarter, if you ask me) taking advantage of their loan forgiveness program. But if they want to work in legal services or an Arizona based org (or any state-based org, frankly), I’d go to the AZ school in a heartbeat and never look back. A lot of people try to go into non-profit work after taking on a ton of law debt and the field is extremely competitive and doesn’t pay well enough to manage those loans. I know a lot of unhappy lawyers who planned to do the Big School –> nonprofit route who got stuck in Big Law and are miserable.
Signed, a lawyer at a nat’l non-profit
I think anyone responding to this post needs to self-identify whether they themselves went to Harvard.
I turned down a full scholarship to a T-30 law school in the city where I ultimately decided to live and practice in order to go to Columbia Law. Huge mistake (though I realize Columbia is not Harvard). If your friend really does want to live and practice in Arizona, she’ll have a lot more options after graduation with the combination of local connections and no debt.
My son turned down a Harvard graduate school program and graduates from a University of Chicago graduate program this week. (Not law.) So now you know another person who turned down Harvard.
I would go to Harvard. So many more opportunities regardless of what path they take.
I had the choice between a top 16 school full price and top 50 full ride and chose the full ride, but here the difference between the schools is much greater. And is this person 100% sure they want to work in “public service or nonprofit”? Do they have a clear understanding of what that is? If public service means government, they will have much better options out of Harvard.
I’m also curious as to why Arizona. If this is like a 35 year old married mother of 3 who lives in Tucson I’d understand the decision but if it’s a fresh college grad who has an internet boyfriend that lives in Phoenix I’d think differently.
Additionally, if they were accepted into Harvard, unless it was a fluke, they should be able to get full rides from much better schools than Arizona (not that Arizona is “bad”).
I also turned down Harvard for grad school (and Yale, NYU, Columbia, Hopkins, Columbia, and UChicago) to go my state flagship for the similar reasons. It’s a thing – a smart, reasoned, financially responsible thing. Plenty make another choice and that’s fine. But tons of people turn down Harvard every year. People around me didn’t get it, and many think I didn’t actually get into those schools, but I know my reasoning and I’m happy with my choices.
So I turned down Harvard Law for a different school – combination of financial and personal reasons. However my ‘other school’ was still a T14, and I knew then and now that I was not interested in a high-flying political or academic career. A solid start in Biglaw and then work-life balance in-house is perfectly good for me. I have suffered 0 adverse consequences from the decision and plenty of benefits.
This is petty, but… bored OF? Is that how we’re saying it now? I always thought it was bored WITH. As in, I’m bored with structured bags. Or by. Bored by the same old things.
Bored of sounds wrong, but I’m seeing it more and more so I guess language is changing. But it will always be sneak peeks, not sneak peaks! Unless some mountains are catching you by surprise.
Maybe it’s regional, because I’ve heard “bored of” a lot. But regardless, the phrase did exactly what language is supposed to do, which is communicate an idea that is understood by the audience.
Reminds me of how people say “I would of done that.” It’s “would have,” but people replace the word “have” with “of” because of how the phrase sounds in speech.
As to your peak point, the other one you see a lot is “that peaked my interest” instead of the correct “piqued.”
This isn’t the same thing, though. With “would of” people are incorrectly replacing a verb with a preposition. In this example, people are simply replacing one preposition with another. Neither is inherently correct or incorrect, just different.
https://www.lexico.com/grammar/bored-by-of-or-with
I’m a CA native. I’ve been saying “bored of” for my entire life and I’m 56. I think it’s a regionalism.
I think it’s regional.
It drove my mom crazy when I was a kid that my friends and I said “on accident” instead of “by accident” because she was not born and raised anywhere near where we lived and it was just a regional difference.
Both bored of and bored with are in common usage for British English, and have equal status in the OED and the Cambridge dictionary. Their American dictionaries only shows bored with, so yes, probably historically a regional difference.
Senior Attorney, I saw an article in the Washington Post about the SoCal controversy around peacocks and thought of you!
Haha, yes! Our yard peacock, Navil, is VERY PROUD that he and his buddies made the national news!!
Wow! Do you know any of the people (or are you any of the people) interviewed?
Let’s see… I’ve met the County Supervisor who is quoted, and I know the director of the Arboretum, who is also quoted, slightly (know his wife much better). If they had interviewed me I would have said I am peacock positive!
HA! Me too!
“There’s a lot of mistrust in every community that has peacock issues,” Tuttle said. “It’s more divisive than national politics.”
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