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Frugal Friday’s TPS Report: Wide-Leg Pants

Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices.

Jennifer Lopez Wide-Leg Pants

I'll admit, I would not have picked out these pants based on the picture at right, but reader J wrote in to recommend them, and there are a ton of other positive reviews on the Kohl's site. Reader J notes “I just got these JLo pants and I am pleasantly surprised – the fit is great.

I'm a tall girl and they run long so I did not have to fret about ordering special sizes. I only wish they were available in more colors.” Nice!

They were $60, but are now marked to $42. Jennifer Lopez Wide-Leg Pants

{related: the best wide-leg pants to wear to work in 2022}

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  1. I hate shopping for pants. I also can’t get excited looking at pants online.
    That said, and perhaps as a result, I have a serious pants shortage right now. Maybe this weekend I will force myself to go pants shopping. Or maybe I am going to quit work pants altogether…

    1. I hear you. I’ve almost gotten to the point where I don’t buy work pants anymore and I get so depressed when I try them on (a petite gal with a curvy bottom). For the winter, I figure I’ll wear dresses/skirts with tights; it’s not cold in the office, only cold when commuting.

      1. I am a dresses/skirts girl too with similar proportions. I have two pairs of pants rights now. If you do want some pants that are great for petite/curvy women, try the Halogen Taylor pants in petite. I have had them a variety of sizes based on my fluctuating weight, and they are great. Alas, the are not on sale right now, otherwise I would have purchased more.

          1. They aren’t the greatest quality but the curvy fit at AT Loft, which is called Julie I think, works well for me – I’m also petite and curvy / pear shaped. The price offsets the poor quality to some extent.

        2. How about the Hepburn fit at Talbots? I am curvy and still have to have the waist nipped in, but the balance from the wide flares still happens and their styles seem to read “professional” anyway. An inveterate skirt/dress girl here.

      2. I’m petite with a bum too, and I swear by JCPenny’s Worthington pants in their new new curvy fit. They may or may not work for your office (my firm is no-jeans but everything else goes) but they do fit well.
        I’ll definitely the Halogen Taylor pants in petite next up; thanks for the tip!

    2. Skirts are just so much easier for me than pants. It’s much easier to find ones that fit and no worries about hemming for heels and flats.

    3. I suffer the same pants shopping issue – it’s so hard to tell, either online or in the store, what is going to happen to your previously acceptable figure when you try them on.

      I just had good luck at Talbot’s — wanted basic tweedy and black winter pants. I like my work pants to sit just under my normal waist, and fall fairly straight down from my hip (maybe a slight taper). I’m a curvy 4/6 (more towards the 6 end recently… some bud-nipping is needed here). Their Signature fit worked very well for me, and there are lots of choices in that cut in-store. I think they are $119 full price, but they have fairly regular coupons or deals so you can probably get them for 30% off with minimal fuss, if interested.

      2. I also got on the Talbot’s pants bandwagon this week – never shopped there before and never bought dress pants that weren’t part of a suit. Bought the “Heritage” fit wide-leg flannel pants in 4 colors.

    4. I have practically quit work pants all together. I have one recently-purchased pair that I love, but that’s really it.

      This is going to sound so ridiculous but I find it really challenging to “picture” how pants are going to look after I get them hemmed (at 5’4″ I have to get all of my work pants hemmed). Even if they ultimately fit and and look nice, it feels like a real leap of faith to purchase them. The wider the leg, the worse the problem is. I’ve tried folding the bottom of the pants under in the dressing room, but it’s really not the same. Not to mention that it sometimes takes me eons to actually get pants hemmed — I have a summer-weight pair of pants that I bought on sale at Saks in… geez… July? that I’ve never managed to take to my tailor. I’m not even wearing the same size pants anymore!

      If I couldn’t buy pencil skirts off-the-rack that fit, I might not have any work clothes at all.

    5. I understand your issue. I find I have better luck with winter weight fabrics and rarely wear pants in the summer at all. I usually do the best with the Julie fit at Loft and the curvier fit at AT. Halogen pants require some alterations as all the styles seem to have a bit slimmer thighs than I do. I really miss the old BR Jackson fit.

    6. Not sure what your body type is, but if you’re apple-ish, try the Ann Taylor Curvy Pants. They literally changed my life, to the point that I prefer wearing pants over skirts now.

    7. Oh my God, I totally hear you! I had the same feeling today when I was trying to find pants to wear only to realize they were either all too small or all too frumpy. Sigh. Good luck, AIMS!

    8. I don’t get it, it seems like everyone is curvy and can’t find pants that fit; I’m (relatively) straight and it feels like every pair I put on gives me grampa butt. The only brand of work pants I’ve been able to find that fit well is Theory but I don’t like wearing them every day – they’re a little too dressed up for my workplace for that, plus there’s the cost…. Since I have the same issues with jeans, I’ve got the pencil skirts in pretty heavy rotation as well.

      Is it time to complain again about how easy it is for men to get their pants (and jackets) tailored?

      1. I get practically everything tailored.

        As many gripes as I may have about finding clothes that fit my body off-the-rack, after years of seeing how difficult it is for my 6’6″ husband to find clothes that are anywhere near long enough, I will never complain about it again.

        (PS: Perspective. I haz it.)

        (PPS: Where is that Anonymous who hates when professionals speak in colloquialisms? COME AT ME, BRO!)

        1. So agreed on the clothes for tall guys stuff – my dad is 6’7″ and best guy friend is 6’6″. “Big and tall” shops focus a LOT more on the “big” and lot less on the “tall” portion of the population.

          Although, as a 6’0″ woman, I’m still going to gripe about clothes. And I’ve also just completely given up on work pants.

          1. You’re entitled. I’m only 5’10” but I know what a difference those two inches can make. Gripe away; I’ll hold your earrings if there’s a fight!

          6. mamabear: You just made my day. I’m totes (yeah, I went there) looking into these pants!

            Now, if someone could find me some maternity, opaque, long length tights…those are my unicorn.

          7. @JJ I am 2″ shorter than you, but I wore Berkshire Opaque Maternity tights and had plenty of length.

          8. I am 5’10” and need a 36″ (lately 37″, as I seem to have grown) inseam to wear flats. I hate my freakishly long legs. That plus the fact that I am very pear shaped makes it virtually almost impossible for me to find work appropriate pants that fit, don’t “smotch” (smile at my crotch area), and don’t make me look like I stole a shorter person’s pair of pants. Yay for pencil skirts (though I need at least 24″ for them to hit at the top of my knee).

        3. I am 5’10” with disproportionately long legs and I gave up on pants ages ago. I have just started to incorporate them back into my wardrobe because retailers are starting to offer tall lengths. But only a couple of retailers.

          So petites, hear us out. You can get long pants hemmed. We can’t get fabric added to the bottom.

          1. Ah – but there are more of us than you. (Mass) power to the (sneaky) little people.

          2. At 5’0″, when I hem my pants, the knee inevitably ends up in the wrong place. :(

            But you are right. At least my ankles are not showing. :) I feel for you.

          3. mamabear & other super tall ladies, have you tried The Limited’s work pants? I am almost 5’11” with all my height in my legs and the long sizes are perfect for me with flats, and I can even get away with a low heel.

        4. Did you see that we made it onto STFU Corporette Tumblr for that convo? Praises this time, actually! :)

    9. I have actually quit work pants altogether. I hate unlined pants, so that narrows the field considerably. And I have a very hard time envisioning how a pair of pants which fits rather poorly in the store – i.e. the hated crotch lines from the weekly suit yesterday – will look after proper tailoring. So forget it. Skirts/dresses and tights are so much easier.

    10. I have tentatively quit work pants. By “tentatively” I mean that I still try on dress pants occasionally when deluded into thinking they might fit. About once every 2 years, literally, I actually make a purchase. When I find a pair that fits and is flattering, I buy it with basically no regard for any other factor and wear it to death. I don’t own a pantsuit and probably never will.

      When I worked retail, it seemed that almost every single woman who talked to me about the fit process said something like “well, I have a body type that’s hard fit.” We can’t all have body types that are hard to fit! Yet somehow…

      1. I have no idea where they get the patterns from. Also, my measurements are nowhere near the measurements on the size chart for the sizes I buy at stores I frequent. I don’t know how people can say, oh i measured myself and ordered online! Maybe I just measure myself wrong!

        1. Most companies have a fit model (usually a size 6, 5′ 7″ tall woman) that they base their patterns off of. The proportions of the fit model will usual adhere to whatever the company’s market researchers have told them their median consumer looks like. So the pattern maker will usually make an original pattern based off what the designers draw, then they will fit samples on the fit model and adjust the pattern accordingly. Scaling happens off the fit size. The company will pass the fit size pattern to the factory with a sheet attached saying, for example, for a size 4, take 1/2″ off waist, 1/2″ off hip, 1/4″ off front and back rise, etc… Anyone who has done basic pattern making though, knows that this is an imperfect system, because every pattern maker will – connect the dots differently. So this means that if one style is made in multiple factories (companies try not to do this, but it sometimes can’t be avoided), the scaling will vary depending on which factory made it.

          BTW, fit models are really quite gorgeous women, who, despite their not-size-zero-and-thus-not-runway-model-ness, tend to be perfectly sculpted, with not an inch of squishy.

    11. Wow! Can’t believe how not alone I am on this one! I am definitely making a mental note to try on the recommended pants here, but thinking about it more, pants just seem needlessly difficult. The ‘whether to hem for flats, heels… which heels…’ decision alone is paralizing for me. Such a commitment!

      My one hope for salvation is finding a great pair of cigarette pants – granted, it’s for warmer months only, but I figure there’s no hemming debate there at least. Any recommendations, of course, welcomed :)

        1. PS– You’d have to not mind the 5-pocket styling. I suppose I may have been defining “cigarette pant” too broadly…anyway, it’s a good pair of slim pants.

          1. Thanks!! I was thinking more in the Audrey Hepburn mode, but definitely will try these as pants are always an issue for me & I’m not really shaped like Audrey Hepburn so what works on her may well not work on me.

        2. OMG, hilarious. I literally JUST bought these pants and was thinking of posting something to see if anyone had them and liked them!!! Thank you Monday!

  2. I might go to Kohl’s over my lunch break and check these out. It would be refreshing to be able to get a pair of pants that are long enough for me at that price point, even if they aren’t the best material…

      1. Thanks for that bit of info! Hopefully the b&m store will carry the tall sizes in both colors.

    2. Just a PSA — I just bought both the black and the tan ones online (will have to try them on at home to make the final call), and if you can take one second to google “Kohls coupon code,” you will find two codes you can piggyback, for a 30% savings off the sale price. The black ones end up being ~$30 and the tan ones ~$22. Oh, and shipping is free on orders of $75 or more!

        1. I kind of fluctuate between a 6 and an 8, depending on the brand… the more exclusive the designer, the higher the size for me. So I went with the 8, based on the reviews and the brand, so I guess you could say I erred on the larger side.

          1. I’m exactly the same way – between a 6 and an 8 so I would probably go up in size as well. Thanks!

  3. Random threadjack –

    Do you know what sucks? Playing phone tag when trying to schedule a job interview. I’m scared to go to the bathroom, run an errand, or do anything other than sit here because the second I do, this person is going to return my call. Ugh.

      1. …that rings just as you flush in the restroom.
        Especially if the restroom has an automatic flush, so you have to remain on the throne until the call is over. Ugh indeed.

      2. or if the errand involves driving, so the cell phone rings when I’m on the highway with no chance of pulling over, or when I’m walking down the street that’s really loud, or…

        1. or the T, where service is spotty and you shouldn’t disturb other people by talking on the phone.

      1. For some reason, a lot of places won’t, even if you ask them specifically to contact you via email because you have a full-time job. It’s very frustrating!

        1. hmm I was originally thinking all my were done via email, but some were a combination of email and phone calls when multiple schedules were involved. I actually had one such setup involving phone calls and emails that took one month!

    3. Well, I decided to go about my day because I have no way of guessing when they’d call. They ended up calling at a perfect time, thank god!

      But yeah, everything was done by phone by this employer and a few others. A couple have emailed and said “call HR to schedule,” but I’ve never seen anything set up by email completely.

  4. Need advice for a store to do a bra measurement/fitting. I usually go to Nordstrom, but I just moved and the closest Nordstrom is 2.5 hours away (the horror!). There is a Macy’s close by. Any suggestions?

    1. I’ve also had really great fittings at Saks, if you happen to have one of those nearby. Otherwise I would see if you have some sort of local boutique. Or hold out until you are traveling near Nordstrom for some other purpose!

      I would not go to Macys for this purpose. (I buy underware at Macys sometimes. The ladies who work there… well, they do not inspire confidence).

      1. I went to Macys for a new bra and asked to be measured. The woman looked at me like I had three heads, and then measured me over the sweater and padded bra that I had on. She then pronounced that I needed a C cup. In reality, I am not even an A.

    4. Jc penney does fitting. My mom works there and actually got trained in it. She even has a certified fitter plaque.

    5. Yeah, I’d be hesitant to go to Macy’s, myself. Last I knew (and it has been a few years), they were still using that method that’s inexplicably popular in the U.S.–measurement of rib cage +5 inches (which makes your band about 5 inches too large…).

      1. Yes. I actually spent several years of my life seriously believing that I was a 38C based on this very nonsense. An appropriate fitting at Nordstrom determined that I am a 34D (or 34DD depending on weight fluctuations). Oh! So *that’s* why I always looked saggy and gross.

        That Nordstrom fitting seriously changed my life (and, obviously, my figure).

    6. I am a big fan of going to little old ladies at a local boutique. Frankly, I’m not sure I’d trust a big chain to have the same quality of service. Also, who doesn’t love having their breasts manhandled by little old ladies? (kidding)

      1. Agree — Macy’s isn’t a big help. Nordie’s or local boutique, or if there isn’t a good local option, better to measure yourself. I seem to recall Bare Necessities and other good online places have good online directions for self-measurement.

    7. Intimacy!
      Breakout Bras or Jenette Bras are also spectacular. Where are you geographically?

      This might also help (it’s my side project): http:// www(dot)formspring(dot)me/thebrafairy

      1. I have the same AK watch in rose gold/brown ceramic, and it’s extremely good looking (to quote a certain Zoolander). The clasp, however, is just plated and not solid, so it quickly wore through where my wrist rubs on my desk all day.

  6. I’d have to see these pants in person. Reviews are uniformly great, but in pic, they look hideous.

  7. In my ongoing quest for red jeans, I got an email this morning from Loft featuring a sweater being worn with what looks red jeans. After scouring the website, I can find neither red jeans nor red corduroys. Ugh! This is the second time this week that has happened; the first time was with that fabulous long sweater in the email from Banana Republic. Why are you all torturing me???

        1. Thanks for the link! I don’t think that’s the same one that was in my email, though. The one in the email sent on November 1st was longer and has a collar. It also has buttons.

          1. Yeah…its not quite the same. I do hope you find the original one you were looking for – it was really cute.

          2. Oh hmm, I really thought it was the same, but you’re right. You’d think they’d just make it so you could click straight through from the email.

    2. If you were the original poster about this, I thought about you yesterday when I was ordering jeans from express last night. this group seems to hate on expresss, but I find their stuff comfortable and flattering to my figure.

      The jeans are buy one get one half off, and there’s additional discounts with the code 1818. The zelda jegging is very low rise though. They have other fun colors too. I ended up just ordering dark rinse and grey…..but now i want the red too!

        1. and ironically, every time i wear an express suit with a fun colored shell and semi statement necklace to a first interview (for legal jobs) i get a second interview. The one time I wore a banana suit with a white button up to a first interview I didn’t get a second interview!

          1. So funny, my interview suit that just got me a great new job is from Express too and I also didn’t get a second interview once when I wore a Banana suit! Pretty sure it didn’t have anything to do with the suit, but I like to blame them since lately I feel like Banana is overpriced and poor quality. I also like Express’s skinny jeans (I have several pairs from a few years ago and they are very flattering and have held up incredibly well).

        2. Seconded. Nothin’ to speak of in the trunk, and barely-there hips, and Express works for me so far, as well.

          1. These are pretty substantial jeggings, what makes them jegging-y is that they’re a lot more fitted in the lower leg than my straight leg jeans so they look better tucked into boots. the waist/hip/butt area is very jean like and i wear them with short tops. my only complaint about them is the ultra low rise!

    3. There are a whole bunch of different red jeans and cords on Nordstroms website right now. :-)

    4. I’m right there with you. The ones I ordered from Boden were mauve not red and the ones I like on the Nordie’s site are $200. At least online, Express only has red in the ultra low rise Zelda. Maybe they have them in a higher cut in the store? Let me know if you have luck!

      1. Cute! Asos is a good idea. But are those cropped? They are rolled up in most of the pictures except maybe one, and there is no inseam measurement that I can find. Any thoughts?

        1. I think they’re just rolled up. I took the risk since they offer free shipping both ways. I hate it when they style clothing so that you can’t tell what it really looks like.

    7. Loft does have red cords. I’m wearing them right now and bought them maybe two weeks ago in-store.

    8. I e-mailed Banana about the sweater — they sent me the item # — it was under “fashion sweaters” — not sure why it’s not just a “cardigan” and what qualifies as a “fashion sweater”??

      Here’s the link: http://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?cid=51429&vid=1&pid=421045

      I have a limited about of time for mall shopping, so I always pre-shop on the internet to preview what I think I might like before I go to the mall. It drives me crazy when there is stuff online that’s not in stores — or it’s in the store, but they don’t have my size and it’s not online. Seriously? It can’t really be that hard to have all your inventory (except like tall sizes, etc.) online and in stores, right?

      Good luck with your red jeans quest!

      1. Okay the link didn’t work — it just goes to the Banana home page.

        Anyway, click on “sweaters” then click on “fashion sweaters” — it’s the textured sweater coat.

    9. I know Anthropologie had some adorable bright red skinny jeans a few weeks ago. You might want to check out there, as well.

  8. Ugh- how do you all deal with people who decide to “help” you with your work unsolicited? I have someone who does this in my office and it drives me mad. I have a set of cases assigned to me and have developed my own strategy for dealing with them, and the meddle keeps charging in and doing her own thing. We already have some trust issues with some of the people we work with, and she’s not making it any better. Sigh. I am not really sure what to do. I explained to her what my plan was, but she’s one of those people who feels like she has more authority than she really does and does not really care how others feel.

    1. Are you both attorneys? If so, then she will stop working on your cases as soon as she learns that she can’t bill her work to your clients (she will not get billable hour credit, and the firm won’t charge the client or get paid). How you make that clear to her depends on your firm and whether you are, or are close with, the billing partner on these cases.

      1. I work for a government agency, so there is no billing. I think she has this reputation of just sitting and smiling/batting her eyes, so she may be trying to look more involved, but it is a real pain in my butt. She is a teacher’s pet of sorts so it’s a sticky situation in terms of trying to work around her.

        1. Also a govt attorney here, so I understand about the lack of economic incentives. Sorry.

          What about just giving her every case she meddles in. You want to be involved, you get the whole case. Without me or my help. Eventually she’ll tire of that, right?

          1. Unfortunately she is not in the litigation group, which I think is the root of the problem. She doesn’t understand the practical realities of the litigation process and tries to foist her ideas on the litigators without considering the implications of her actions.

    1. That bag is beautiful! I’m assuming you know what type of bag you like, but I prefer a more structured bag, especially during the week.

    2. Nice bag! Can’t speak to long term quality, but I have seen Halogen bags in store and was pleasantly surprised by the solid construction/quality. I also like their lack of logos and random needless hardware. That said, a Halogen suit I ordered (former suit of the week here) is not holding up so well after less than a year of relatively light wear. The fabric content is showing itself, it seems.

      1. I am loving this bag as well — I spent about an hour trying to find a hobo-type purse and didn’t find this one! I personally think it looks better in the tawny than in black and am considering getting it.

  10. Threadjack–This is a strange question, but I think this is a good group of women to get advice from, since you are all presumably well-educated and successful.

    I had my daughter when I was very young. I managed to finish school and am now a lawyer. As my daughter is approaching her teens, how do I make sure she does not get pregnant young like I did! What worked for you as teenagers (like what did you parents do, say, not do, etc?) What mine did obviously did not work!

    1. Talk to her about it. A lot. Teach her how to use condoms, take her to the obgyn to talk about the pill, be open with her about the realities of sex and its consequences. Encourage her to pursue interests so that she doesn’t WANT to get pregnant at a young age but would rather, say, take photography classes or something. Planned Parenthood’s website has a lot of useful information for talking to kids about sex.

    2. My mother hammered the concept home that if I felt like I was going to be having sex in the near future, I needed to tell her ASAP so she could get me to the gynecologist and I could go on the pill. And so when the time came, that’s exactly what happened.

    3. I think all you can really do is keep the lines of communications open. Nothing should be off the table and you must be completely honest with her – that while you love her dearly, life wouold have been very different (i.e., easier) if you had waited to start your family. That being said, if she decides to have sex, you can’t prevent that – but you can make sure she knows about and understands the need for birth control and STD prevention. If this is difficult for you to talk about with her, make sure there is another trusted adult (friend, aunt, older cousin, etc.) she can talk to about this – and make sure she knows you are 100% OK with her talking to someone else if that makes her or you more comfortable. Also make sure her medical professional has a serious discussion with her about birth control. While you may not agree with her decisions about having sex, it needs to be about pregnancy and STD prevention. Make it easy for her to come to you (or that other adult) for questions and protection.

      1. I babysat a one-year old 30 hours a week the entire summer I was 13 (boy, things were different 20 years ago, I can’t imagine leaving my infant with a 13-year-old now). There was no chance, after that experience, that I was going to risk getting pregnant. In addition to all the talking recommended here, maybe an opportunity for her to see how exhausting kids are? Seeing some of the realities of parenthood may help her make good decisions.

        1. haha I actually delivered my youngest brother when I was 12 going on 13 bc my mom went into labor at home (and has very quick deliveries), so I spent a lot of time babysitting/changing diapers etc. My dad’s take on the delivery situation was “well that makes the father daughter abstinence talk that much easier”. Obviously my dad is delusional, but I second what someone else said, let her see how tough it is to care for a baby!

        2. This. If she doesn’t have younger siblings or younger cousins, or hasn’t been around infants a whole lot, she may not realize how much work they are. I second the recommendation on having her get baby-sitting/mother’s helper experience. Nursery school volunteer at church? Volunteer/job at a day care center?

          I remember in particular baby sitting for my aunt and uncle for a weekend when they were out of town (I was in college) – and this was for a 6 year old, a 10 year old and a 17 year old. Made me resolute in my decision to not do the parenthood thing without a partner and a plan.

    4. If you are uncomfortable with discussing the specifics of birth control, etc, might I suggest that either a pediatrician or gynecologist talk to her? It sounds like she is fairly young now, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with taking her to the gynecologist at 16 and teaching her to take care of her body.

      My mom started the condom converstaion with me at a very young age (it helped that in the 90s, there were sex discussion all over TV due to the AIDS epidemic). Her coaching worked, I knew how to use them when I needed to. Soon thereafter, she took me to the gynecologist, and I went on the pill.

      In college, I was a sexual health peer educator. I think that the more you talk about sex, birth control, etc, the less taboo and more matter of fact it becomes.

    5. I was told constantly and from a very early age that if I got pregnant and had a baby, I would never finish high school, which would prevent me from finishing college, which would prevent me from going to graduate school, which would prevent me from having a career, which would prevent me from supporting myself, which would leave me dependent on a man, which would leave me vulnerable to being left alone and poor. Obviously it sunk in, because I was terrified of getting pregnant and, by the time I was a sophomore in high school, had both a diaphragm and an eight-day plan for pregnancy testing/abortion in the case of a late period.

      This probably won’t work for you because you actually achieved what my parents told me was impossible.

      Instead, I recommend information and access as all the other posters have said. I especially like “Our Bodies, Ourselves” for 13 year olds and above, constant discussions about sex, birth control, women’s rights and independence, and regular MD appointments (with an OB-Gyn, not a pediatrician), and extra-curricular activities with other girls whose plans do not include marriage or kids before 30.

      1. I thought this was somewhat of an unusual statement given the question –

        “…and extra-curricular activities with other girls whose plans do not include marriage or kids before 30.”

        I think there is a big difference between a bored 15 year old who thinks it would be “fun” to have a baby because one of her friends had one and it would give her something to do/someone to love, and a driven, motivated, intelligent, high-achieving 15 year old whose life plans also include, ideally, getting married and starting a family before she turns 30.

        1. I found that statement odd as well. I am happily single and childless in my mid-30s. The OP’s daughter is a preteen and at that age, I am sure I wanted to get married and have kids in my 20s. Girls that age can’t even fathom being in their 30s, much less make it a life goal not to get married or have kids by then. I do think that in the 12-15 age bracket, a lot of girls do know they want to go to college and will be driven to avoid getting pregnant.

          1. To be fair, at 15 I was watching S*x and the City and wanted a penthouse overlooking Central Park and to be single/childless into my 40s. I was also incredibly career driven even then (worked my first substantive legal job at 15, too). So there are girls out there like that at 15.

            Instead I married in my 20s to a man who hates New York. Go figure. At least I’m still childless…. (my decision, no judgment of people who go another route).

            My parents made a point of never treating their children like children, supporting our career plans (helping to network/strategize even we were in our teens), and stressing the importance of education. There must have been more, but they were so subtle I didn’t even notice.

      2. This was my parents’ very successful strategy too – drilling it into me that girls who have babies in high school don’t get to go away for college. That, plus taking me on a bunch of college tours and filling the house with books about how to choose a college — I was so much more excited about leaving for college than anything else, including hanging out with high school boys. (Probably didn’t hurt that I was a huge nerd with bad clothes and no boys in sight!)

      3. My parent used a similar line of reasoning: if you have sex, you will get pregnant, drop out of school, work in a convenience store, and be bored and poor the rest of your life. Obviously this is all hyperbole, but it scared the beejezus out of me! They also encouraged me to get involved in lots of extracurriculars, and didn’t allow me to close the door to my bedroom if a boy was with me.

        It was effective in a certain way – I ended up with three graduate degrees and international work experience before I got married in my late 30s… by then they were despairing that I’d ever get married, and might have wished they’d taken a softer line back in high school.

        1. I can’t recall my parents ever saying something like that, but that was the impression that I always felt like I had regardless. Even now, at 31, we’re thinking of going off the pill, and I can’t quite shake the idea (even though I know that it’s silly, scientifically speaking), that I’ll get pregnant the first time that we have sex after going a day or two without it. :)

    6. Anon I could be you. I had my daughter young too and had to finish my undergrad at night and i’m a 3L evening now. Just watching me work my butt off to in to school while working has been a great deterrent itself. Otherwise I have just been very blunt and explained to her how easy it is to get pregnant and how it changes your life forever. YMMV based on personal beliefs, but I also told her when she is ready to have sex to come to me so we can get her birth control and safety from stds. As much as I hate talking about sex (even when its my adult step son) so far she has been pretty open with me. So I definitely think being open and straightforward is your best bet. Good luck, the teenage years are brutal!

    7. Agreed with all of the above. But I think you have to do more than just teach her about birth control. You need to help her understand herself and how to be mature in relationships. Because lots of people who get pregnant young know what condoms are but get pressured into having unsafe sex by partners.

      Some of it you can’t “teach”, but reinforcing to her that she is a strong person who shouldn’t EVER be pressured by a partner into doing something she isn’t comfortable with is important. Watch movies about unhealthy relationships and engage in conversation about them (as naturally as possible of course). Model good relationship habits yourself or point out good relationships in her life. This will serve her well her whole life.

      I think teenagers can feel absolutely driven by their hormones a lot of the time (and lets not kid ourselves, its nothing new). But if they have a core understanding of what a relationship (both emotional and physical), navigating those waters is easier.

      And also encourage her to sign up for sports and activities and the like, girls who are engaged in school and after-school activities have a lower incidence of pregnancies. :-P Also, it looks good on her college application. :-)

      1. I love this advice and this is also what my parents drilled in to me – to never let a high school boy take advantage of me and being strong enough to say “no.” It also didn’t hurt that I played volleyball 10 months out of the year and often had tournaments at 8 am Saturday/Sunday mornings. Those really prevented a lot of late-night weekend shenanigans.

      2. This! Helping a teenager process how she feels, what a healthy relationship will feel like, and helping her feel like a good person and learn from her mistakes as she undergoes that emotional/hormonal roller coaster is just as (if not more) important as frankly talking about the, uh, mechanics.

        If you’re even asking the question, you’ll do just fine. Just remember that she’ll be boneheaded too and will grow out of it. (my high school boyfriend was a doozy). My parents were really good about listening and supporting me, and realizing that these things take time. For example, they helped me come to the conclusion that I needed to break up with a toxic loser, and helped me set and stick to my own deadline for breaking up with a toxic loser without actually yelling at me or making me feel bad for getting into that horrible relationship in the first place.

      3. Echoing what TCFKAG said, it’s not just mechanics, but also knowing what a healthy relationship looks like. I got the sex talk, and my parents would have been supportive about my wanting to get birth control. I didn’t end up having sex until college because I was ambitious and bright, and I knew that sex and boys were distractions from getting me the hell out of my parents’ house. So I don’t think they were ever worried I would get pregnant.

        However, my parents were in a terrible, angry, hurtful marriage when I was a child, so when I met a guy who didn’t yell at me or ignore me, I thought I was doing pretty well. Turns out I was setting my standards too low. Even though I didn’t get pregnant in high school, I have had a string of bad relationships as an adult because I didn’t know it was supposed to be different, what a good relationship looks like. How being a good girlfriend doesn’t mean that the girl doing whatever the guy wants, as long as what he’s asking for is “reasonable,” whatever that is. That she should put herself first in a relationship, and can always say no to something even if she said yes to something else, or yes to that something before. To listen to that little voice in your heart/head/gut that says “this doesn’t feel right.” That a guy that makes you feel bad for saying no to anything, even something “normal,” is a jerk.

        So don’t just talk to her about biology and mechanics, and be supportive of her need to access those things with or without you. Also talk about good and bad relationships and self respect, which are broader issues than just “don’t get pregnant and here’s how not to.” What’s wrong with the relationships on Gossip Girl, which aren’t obviously toxic but still extremely problematic at times, or what’s right/real on the ones in another show. Talk to her :).

    8. For me, it was good examples and goals. My parents didn’t make a big deal about sex or talking about it, but I do strongly remember my mother saying, when I had asked about it and she had “the talk” with me (I was probably younger than your kid is now) that it was a very big deal and something that you should really only do with someone you were going to spend the rest of your life with. I read a lot and always had a good understanding of bc (from magazines, mostly), but it was never directly instructed to me.

      We never directly discussed sex after that, that I recall, but general rules like “door has to be open” when boyfriend is over and boyfriend’s parents have to be home when you’re there. (I skipped this rule a lot, I admit- I had no rules against heavy petting- but I knew the expectation was there, which was enough to get me to make my rules clear to the fellows I was with.) Also, my parents were generally very good examples; they got married young and stayed married, and didn’t go around acting like sex was a big deal or anything, just that it was a private thing.

      For goals, I mean that I knew what I had to do to get to college (on scholarship- I knew that there was no money), and did it. This was a big deal to me, though I’m not sure that my parents, who didn’t go to college themselves, had a lot to do with it. (It may be that the fact that my parents didn’t have a lot to do with it that made it a big deal to me- I knew that I had the responsibility to make it happen.)

      So, I know that the vogue thing is “talk, talk, talk”, but personally, I kind of disagree. I think that if it had been talked about a lot, I would have been more inclined to do it- I would have been more apt to let my curiousity take over, and felt like there was an expectation that I would), but the fact that I knew that this was serious business and up to me to keep, was probably an incentive to make it right when I finally did (as an adult, after planning ahead enough to get on full bc first, with the man that I would marry, and I’m very happy about that).

      1. This. My parents would make me leave the door open when I had boys over (it wasn’t until I was out of law school and engaged to my husband that a boy was allowed to stay in my room overnight). Likewise, if I was going to the boy’s house, my mother would actually call and check that the parents were going to be home before I was allowed to go there.

        This didn’t stop shenanigans in the backs of pickup trucks, etc, but I think they instilled such an awful fear of getting caught doing something bad and disappointing my parents that even the pickup truck shenanigans were mild. That said, my mother is pretty good, because she figured out when my boyfriend and I were about to take the plunge, and condoms randomly showed up under my pillow with a note one night. I wish I was joking about that point…

        1. My parents didn’t call ahead, but I’m honestly not sure why- they probably should have. :) My now-husband and I didn’t share a bed at their house until after we were actually married (even though his parents let us when we were just dating and I was still in college- I always just found that weird!)

          1. Wasn’t the first “sharing a room in the parents’ house” experience weird? I felt so naughty — like I was getting away with something crazy!

        2. I know, SB!

          This is actually my argument against the stereotype that kids of more strict parents rebel. Well, yes, they do (as do the kids of lax parents), but it doesn’t usually take a whole lot to make them feel like they’re rebeling! Most of my “rebellion” was just doing things that my parents wouldn’t allow, but my friends’ would.

    9. Coach her on how to say ‘no’ to sex. I recall reading a few years ago that it’s one form of sex ed that has been shown to work. If she finds herself in a situation where a boyfriend is asking for sex, she needs to have a strategy to say no while saving face.

      1. And that it’s perfectly okay not be interested when you are just in your teens. And it’s perfectly okay to say no even if you have birth control/protection. And it’s perfectly okay to say no, always, no matter if you’ve had sex with that guy before, you are totally making out and are both totally aroused… doesn’t matter, you can say no. And it’s okay to say yes and think afterwards you should have said no – I’m thinking of a situation in which you were not forced and were willing, but afterwards think maybe it wasn’t the best idea. It happens, learn a lesson, and move on (I’m assuming all proper protection was used and neither party was incapacitated by drink/drugs).

        I think in high school especially, your world is so small that you think since you never had a date in high school, you will never ever have a date in your life!!!! Totally not true, but I think high school kids need to hear, specifically, that there is a whole other world out there.

        Growing up, I had the object lesson of a cousin who go pregnant in her late teens and kept the baby. My mother always talked about, yes, the baby is cute, but now Cousin may never go to college, never get to travel, lots of things that are much, much more difficult to do if you have a baby when young. And yes, abortion and adoption are options, but those carry their own issues.

        1. I like this advice a bunch. I’ll have to remember it twenty years from now when my hypothetical daughter reaches her teens.

    10. Help her find a hobby or something she is passionate about. I absolutely loved to dance and take dance classes when I was a teenager (which was really only 5-6 years ago!), and I knew that baby = no more dance classes. Dance, in general, actually kept me out of a lot of trouble because I had early morning rehearsals on weekends and knew that staying out late and partying meant putting in a terrible performance the next day.

      Also, my mom was great about not making a huge deal of me going to the gynocologist and getting birth control. I had a serious boyfriend my junior year of high school, and she helped me find a doctor and make an appointment and acted like it was any kind of regular doctor appointment. That she was there to help and didn’t judge made going to her a lot easier/less scary.

      1. This! I was a gymnast, you can’t be a pregnant gymnast. I also had early morning weekend meets which kept me out of trouble too.

    11. I think many of the comments here are great advice. I’d like to chime in about one other topic you may want to discuss with your daughter: Alcohol. When I was in high school and when my younger sister was in high school, alcohol was a major factor in some regrettable sexual scenarios among our peer groups, including, but not limited to, unprotected sex.

      1. Agreed. I think being open about all of this helps. As concerns alcohol, I was allowed to have wine/champagne at home for special occasions from a relatively young age (14/15), maybe even younger, but my parents also always stressed to me the importance of drinking responsibly, i.e., not drinking just to get wasted. My mother also talked very openly with me about sex and it was stressed over and over that “if you’re going to do it, you must use a condom or life will be very difficult.”
        All that said, my mom also told me and my friends that while our bodies might be ready for sex at 13, sex wouldn’t be good and we might never enjoy it later if we had “it” before we were ready mentally! I gotta say, it kind of worked. I waited till I was 16 & in my first serious relationship with my high school love. And we used condoms every time!

      2. Also, you can/should re-enforce that if/when she feels ready, she can also just go on her own to her doctor. My mom had me young, so for as long as I can remember, we had talked about sex and birth control. Asking her to take me to the doctor’s just felt awkward, like I was announcing to the world I was having sex and I was a really private person. I always knew that I could just go on my own (and did) and told her after. She handled it beautifully too.

    12. I did not get pregnant in hs, but honestly, that was just luck because I wasn’t very smart about it. My parents never talked to me about birth control at all, although at one point my dad told me I was too young (16) to have that kind of relationship (too late!). So I can’t speak to how successful talking might be, but I whole heartedly agree with the suggestions to 1) help her figure out how to say no to sex. I think a lot of this is about building up her self esteem in all the ways others have suggested- sports, activities, doing well in school, having lots of friends; 2) talk to her about alcohol. I know my parents talked to my brothers about this and they never did with me at all- I guess they just thought teenage girls wouldn’t be drinking? Alcohol (and drugs) definitely play a role in getting pressured into sex and having uprotected sex.
      Finally, maybe this is weird, but I would think long about allowing her to acquire a car before college. In my experience, cars = places to have sex. Plus, you are more likely to drink and drive when you have something to drive.

    13. For my 2 cents, the decision to have sex or not is hers to make, but I think your input in the matter should be twofold:

      1. You should let her know the risks of unprotected sex, and stress the improtance of using protection should she decide to have sex. My mother told me she would not judge me if I wanted to have sex, but was happy to help me (or not) when the time came.

      2. Even though it is your daughter’s decision to have sex or not, you can help shape this. My mother was open about her own experiences and how she felt about them, both the good and the bad. In telling me these, she stressed the emotional consequences sex can have, especially when you are young. She didn’t tell me what decision to make but recommended that I do not make such a decision lightly.

      I really appreciated that my mother provided me with the info she had that she thought might be helpful, and at the same time conveyed to me that she trusted me to make the best decisions for myself.

    14. My parents NEVER talked about sex. My mom had “the talk” way after I started having sex. I learned everything about teen pregnancy from seventeen magazine. I was a religious condom user with my long term boyfriend. However, getting condoms in a small town before you are old enough to drive is a very hard task. Luckily, there was a CVS in my local mall. We would hang out at the mall with friends and buy them there and then have to sneak them into our house.

      No amount of parental restriction/supervision will stop your daughter from having sex if she really wants to. People in my school would sneak out of study hall and have sex in the drama groups prop closet. No lie. Many “bad things” were done while parents were home, just not in the room. Kids are sneaky.

      Oh, and I was a “good” kid. I had a part time job, was in college prep classes, and a varsity athlete. There was always time for sex.

      I suggest being much more open than my parents and open to the option of birth control.

    15. My thoughts on this may unnerve you, but I don’t think there’s much you can do to prevent a teenage girl from getting pregnant if she wants to have a baby. Education about contraceptives and abstinence until she feels ready to have sex will prevent a girl who does not want to get pregnant from having an accident. But of all the girls I knew who got pregnant young, they felt an emotional void in their lives that they wanted to fill with a baby. Either they literally got pregnant on purpose, or they had reckless sex knowing that a pregnancy was likely to result. So the best thing you can do for your daughter is provide her with love, security, and affirmation of her self worth, alongside an education about her right to delay sex until she’s ready and how to prevent pregnancy once she is ready.

      1. “So the best thing you can do for your daughter is provide her with love, security, and affirmation of her self worth, alongside an education about her right to delay sex until she’s ready and how to prevent pregnancy once she is ready.”

        This is key. I’ve been working with young women facing unplanned pregnancies. Part of that work includes asking about relationship history. So many of the young women I see have ended up in unhealthy sexual relationships because they’ve never known love, security, or received any affirmation of their self-worth. They’ll do anything for the first person that shows them just an inkling of love or security.

    16. One thing I noticed from both my own and my younger siblings’ friends growing up is that the teenagers having unprotected sex weren’t ignorant of birth control and condoms, or thought they couldn’t get them (condoms were available widely at my school, and we were smugly very well informed about sex and birth control) but that they had other reasons why they weren’t using them.

      Make sure she has a plan for life, any plan really, so that getting pregnant young actually means losing something (can’t travel, difficulty going to college, can’t be a model or a dancer or whatever it is she wants to do). For some of the girls I grew up with, a crappy job and maybe a husband were all they could picture in the future, so what did it matter if they got pregnant at 17?

      I’d also make sure she knows that adults use condoms, too. You only ever hear about safe sex as it relates to teenagers, and I think that gives the impression that it’s not a part of adult sexuality. Tell her that everyone does it. Safe sex is pretty much the rule among my friends, and I don’t know many people who have sex with a new guy without using condoms for a while. I remember getting the impression as a teenager that if I insisted on condoms, I’d probably be that weird girl because probably no one else would do that (so I didn’t have sex at all). I still get a bit of that feeling when I make current guys have an STD test before the condoms come off. I think that is easy for teenage boys to exploit to make girls feel weird for insisting on safety. She should know that all the other girls (and some of the boys) are insisting on it, too.

      A friend of my sister’s would only use a condom if someone put it in her hand as she was walking off with her hook-up guy. It was to the point where every one of her friends carried a condom in their purses to give to her. The girl had some serious self-esteem issues, and I think this was part of it. Using a condom was taking care of herself, and she wasn’t in a mental space where she wanted to do that. I don’t know how you can make sure your daughter grows up with feeling that she wants to take care of herself, but I do think it’s vital.

      Vaguely related, but one of the pieces of sex advice that stuck with me most was part of my mother’s sex talk. She told my sister and I that as women in heterosexual relationships, we’d be accepting most of the risk: the side effects from birth control, the pregnancy risk, the greater risk of STD transmission, and any societal flak from being sexual. She told us that if we were going to put up with all of these things, we better make sure that the sex we were getting was worth it, that our partners were treating us well, and that quite frankly we should demand good sex. It’s not about pregnancy, but I think it’s a message teenage girls don’t get very often.

    17. I think the consensus is that many teens who intentionally get pregnant and have babies do it because they feel alone and want to feel loved. You apparently have a very close and loving relationship with your daughter so I wouldn’t worry about the intentional pregnancy so much.

      As far as unintentional pregnancy – I couldn’t tell from your note whether you’re a single mom, but what we’ve done so far is that my husband has spent a lot of time talking with our daughter about how teen boys think. He’s not bashing boys, necessarily, as he’s one and we have a son, too. But he remembers how single-focus he was around puberty – how that’s not about love, how boys are wired differently than girls, and how decisions you make in an instant can have permanent effects.

      This all terrifies me as a mom of a pre-teen girl!

    18. My best friend was a teenage mom, and her mom was a teenage mom. The city we grew up in was, at least for a while, the teen pregnancy capital of America. Now she has an 18-year-old daughter who managed to get through high school without getting pregnant. She takes her daughter to get a Depo-Provera shot every three months – she makes the appointments and drives her daughter there. She calls it their “mother-daughter bonding time.” I think they go out for dessert or something afterward. It’s a very straightforward approach, and it has worked. The daughter is on board with the whole idea – I don’t know whether things would be different if it were otherwise.

    19. I also think it helps to get to know the people your kid is spending time with. If he dad (or a stepdad with a close relationship) is in the picture, then he in particular should get to know her boyfriends. My parents were always pretty good about letting me date (and I did a lot more than a lot of my friends as a teen), but my parents, particularly my dad, were always insistent on meeting boyfriends, having them over for dinner, asking questions about them, meeting their parents, etc. I think it helped, both because I knew that they were aware and, also, I think it helped my boyfriends know that I wasn’t just an easy fling.

      1. My parents did this too, and I know my high school boyfriends were definitely afraid of my dad and therefore afraid of upsetting me…

        Lyssa – I’m starting to wonder if we had the same parents… Or maybe we grew up in the same town?? :)

        1. It sure sounds like it! I grew up in a tiny town in East TN. (Now that I’ve posted so much extremely private sex stuff, using a name that is not actually mine but that I’ve used all over the internet and lots of people know, I guess I’ll just go whole hog!)

          1. Love it. Unfortunately, I am from the sticks of PA, so no connection there. Just sounds like our parents had similar parenting strategies. :)

    20. I don’t recall my parents ever discussing sex with me in highschool, but somehow I ended up with the fear of god about becoming pregnant and didn’t have sex until college. Here was my thought process as a teenager: “If I get pregnant, i’d have to have an abortion” (b/c children freaked me out, thanks to the one time I babysat for a neighbor. Kids are stressful). “Abortions are super expensive, and I don’t have that kind of money. I live in a Southern town where everyone knows everyone else’s business, and someone would find out. Ok, can’t get pregnant. Can’t buy condoms, because someone would see, and that would be embarrassing. Guess I’m not having sex.”

      I think somewhere along the line, my parents must have engaged in some very clever subconcious manipulation, but I have no idea what it was (I also didn’t drink until I was 21, which was shocking. I could count on one hand the people in my graduating high school class that didn’t drink)

    21. Thank you everyone for your thoughtful replies! I feel a little bit better, though still very unprepared to parent a teenage girl (especially given how horrible I was…) She is involved in dance and piano and does very well in school, so I will really try to get her interested in colleges that are out-of-state. I have talked with her about how I missed out on leaving for college and how I really wanted to go live by the ocean, but had to stay in our (boring) home state. Also, I am married with two additional younger children (a toddler and an infant). So she sees how hard babies are and how much work they are. I will try much harder to discuss sex and birth control with her even though it is admittedly hard for me. It is so hard to watch her grow up! Why can’t she just stay little! Thanks again everyone.

    22. For me it was a tremendous fear of disappointing my parents. I hate to put teenage sex in the same category as teenage drinking, except that both are things that can seriously fuck up your life. So was extremely careful about sex when I was a teenager for the same reason I didn’t drink in high school…because I was soooo afraid of my parents being pissed at me.

      Not to say that they were ogres or anything, and we for sure had those “awkward sex talks” when I was a teenager, but that it not what kept me on the straight and narrow. My house had RULES–I would get grounded for a week if I came home with bad grades or stayed out past curfew or talked back to my parents. NO WAY did I want to see my parents’ reaction to a teenage pregnancy or drinking episode!

    1. Their size charts run the same – as in the definition of a Large has the same measurements in both lines. Lands End tends to cut a bit boxier/generous than Canvas, since Canvas is a younger demographic. If you are curious about the dimensions of a specific item, I would suggest talking to their customer service (who also does the online chat).

    2. I actually just received this dress in the mail. I am a petite and curvy girl with an average to large bust. This dress runs very large, especially in the bust. I even ordered a petite, but that did not help. If you order it, I definitely order at least one size down, unless you are very well endowed.

      1. I just got this dress in a petite small- I’m usually between a small and medium in Lands End tops, but typically a medium petite in Gap/BR tops. I’m a 36DDD but small everywhere else, so dresses almost never fit me well- this one was unusually flattering!

    1. I like that one better for a work/weekday bag. Depending on how much walking you have in y our commute, I’d be concerned about the opening. I tend to never zip up my zipper bags, but its a nice option when you’re walking in a downpour. I have high expectation of my bags though! But order it and you can always return it if it doesn’t work out!

    1. I agree with a lot of what she has to say but I wouldn’t suggest being as over the top as she is. Her website ended up on Above the Law and we critiqued it here too. Her poses are a little bizarre. She is a new attorney just starting out (I think) so I don’t think she qualifies as an expert on what works and what doesn’t.

    2. Not a lawyer, but I’ve done it. I have a talent for getting the office curmudgeons to do what I need when no one else can. The suggestion to “giggle” made me physically cringe. But, I have found that making a request in a way that allows some (usually older) men to think they’re riding to my rescue, works. It gets me what I need in an expeditious manner. If they decline, I can always do it the hard way, but why start out there? It’s a fine line though, you don’t want to go around sounding helpless all the time.

    3. Isn’t that the “lady lawyer” who was featured prominently on Above the Law and later in the comments on this site? Her website photos were like stills from a soft-core lawyer porn shoot.

      1. Why, yes it was and yes it is. Why does this article not surprise me given her website?

    4. I must admit that I’ve never really understood where the line is between “flirting” and “being nice and/or friendly.” I think that being nice, and acting like you want to be around people, and perhaps stoking their egos (laugh at their jokes, compliment, etc.), can certainly be helpful. I wouldn’t call that flirting or using feminine charms, but perhaps it is a little.

    5. I don’t read the article as advocating flirting to get ahead but rather to acknowledge the power of femininity. We are women and should not have to look like or act like men, in the workplace or elsewhere. I agree the pictures on her website is a bit over the top, but a close read of the article shows some valid points.

      I also agree with one of her final statements: “Good looks and personality grease the wheels of life, making the ride smoother; sometimes they help a gal get to her destination more quickly, and they certainly can make life more fun. But, at the end of the day, every woman lawyer has to do the work — otherwise the bimbo label will stick.”

      The reality is, looks matter. There have been numerous studies done by highly respected scientists that have prove the point. (Nancy Etcoff, of Harvard Medical School, “Survival of the Prettiest: The Science of Beauty”). Do we wish looks were irrelevant and life were a meritocracy? Of course. But wishes aren’t reality.

  14. I like wide-leg pants so these are tempting, especially for the price…although it may take some effort for me to buy something with Jennifer Lopez’ name on it.

  15. I’m looking for gray or black jeans — anyone try any of these?

    –gray 1969 heathered sateen perfect boot jeans from Gap
    –1969 super lightweight long & lean jeans in cortez from Gap
    –black button-pocket boot-cut jeans from Banana

    TIA!

    1. I’ve tried all three and returned all three. They were all okay, though the fabric on the heathered sateen jeans was a little strange. I really liked the blue version of the Banana jeans (and the black ones too, just not quite as much), but was so fed up with them for changing the inseam on their petite jeans to 31″ that I returned them anyway. If I wanted longer jeans, I’d buy the regular length, not the petite!

  16. Has anybody had luck with skinny pants (not jeans, not knits) that fall at the regulart waist?

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