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Suit of the Week: Max Mara

Suit of the Week· Wear to Work

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For busy working women, the suit is often the easiest outfit to throw on in the morning. In general, this feature is not about interview suits for women, which should be as classic and basic as you get — instead, this feature is about the slightly different suit that is fashionable, yet professional.

Nordstrom has some great sales on designer clothes right now, including Max Mara, which is always drool-worthy. This light pink suit is feminine but still has an authoritative feel, and I think it would look great paired with pretty much any shades of white, gray, or black, while complementing lots of other colors or prints, particularly if you've got a “bridge” piece that contains this exact shade of pink.

The blazer and matching pants are now marked down 50%, bringing them down to $312–$795. I don't think this light pink sheath dress matches exactly, but it looks lovely if you want to investigate further. (Definitely not a match, but this fabulous paisley sheath dress is also 50% off.)  

Looking for something even more affordable? The Outnet has some great sales on suits right now, including this Rick Owens melange and this hot pink linen suit.

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  1. Allie

    Someone had posted about exercises to tone a pear shape – I haven’t lost any weight but I have been swimming regularly and just today I noticed that my body looked different, better. So it made me thing of that and that is definitely a suggestion

  2. Induction Cooktop

    We’re doing a kitchen reno and looking for a 30 inch induction cooktop. Anyone have an induction cooktop they love and recommend or brands to avoid?

    • Anonymous

      we have had the GE 5.3 cu ft slide in induction range (no raised edge on the back) for 3 years and so far we love it. it’s easy to clean, heats up super fast, really responsive and works great with our nice all clad stainless steel pans/pots, our not so nice calphalon ones, and all our cast iron. i was worried about the glass top chipping but so far its super hardy. i dont know that there are a ton of options for induction ranges but i am a total convert and am glad we didnt plumb gas but went with this range instead!!

      • Anonymous

        Is there a benefit to induction vs gas (or regular electric)?

        I was without a kitchen last summer and looked at some plug in ones on Amazon (and hot plates / toaster ovens / all sorts of things). I wound up getting grill with a gas burner on it but was curious. I thought my cast iron might ruin it but wasn’t in it for the long haul, either.

        • anonshmanon

          The big point for me is that it turns off automatically when you take off the pot or also when you forget the pot on the stove and it senses overheating. It doesn’t have the sluggishness that usually makes people prefer gas over conventional electric stoves, it heats up very fast.

        • Anonymous

          induction is MUCH better than regular electric. it’s way more controllable, the instant you take the pot off or turn it off the heating stops. it’s just very quick to react. you can boil water super fast, and i also love that i dont have to worry about leaving the range on ever if im ever in a hurry. as for gas v. induction, i feel like gas is always marketed as the “luxury” item but personally i am in no hurry to add more gas to my life as it’s still a fossil fuel and also i’d have to pay more for plumbing it into the kitchen. where i am (pnw) electricity is always way cleaner emissions wise and cheaper than gas

    • Anonymous

      I just posted late on the morning thread, but I’ll elaborate here. We are in awe of how fast it boils water. Like, it’s a real concern that your water will boil away if you’re not paying attention. I do wish we’d gotten an externally vented hood to go with it even though I suspect it’s generating less heat than a gas or conventional electric cooktop.

    • Anonymous

      I had an Electrolux Induction range for 6 years. I loved it. I know they also make cooktops. I recently moved to a house with a brand new gas stove and am waiting for an opportunity to switch back to induction.

  3. Anon

    Argh. I cannot get on board with the pastel pink and the pointy white shoes. Would not fly in my city but may work in your environment.

    • Pink

      Curious what city you’re located in. I adore all these picks (but agree the shoes are weird) and I can’t imagine this working in my city either. IANAL but I’ve never seen anyone wear anything resembling the business picks on this site. I’m not sure if it’s my industry or region that is the bellwether.

    • Anonymous

      If they reboot Miami Vice with a female lead and set it in the 1960s, she could wear this with a silk Hawaiian print top featuring a hot pink lotus flower and tropical green leaves. Her white shoes flash out from beneath her pant legs as she runs after the bad guys and maybe slides across the hood of a car.

    • Senior Attorney

      I had a skirt suit in this color in the late 80s and wore it in BigLaw in Los Angeles along with my off-white pantyhose.

      • SmallLawAtl

        I had this as a linen skirt suit in the early 90s and also wore it with my off-white pantyhose (“Travel Buff”) and cream leather pumps. I thought it was hot stuff. (And, really, it kind of was.)

        • Senior Attorney

          HAHAHAHA YES!! Travel Buff!! I got mine from One Hanes Place. And of course cream leather pumps.

          • Senior Attorney

            Actually I looked at the Hanes color chart and my color back in the day was “Pearl.”

      • tesyaa

        I had more than one peachy pink skirt suit! And the white pantyhose with off-white pumps.

      • Anon

        My first suit in 1987 was this color. Long jacket with a full skirt. I do not know what I was thinking, other than I didn’t know that professional women bought their suits at Talbots, and not the “going to church” section at JC Penney.

  4. Anon

    Interesting discussion about Bari Weiss earlier. Looks like Steven Pinker is the next to get cancelled – he’s being slammed for a handful of old tweets. This phenomenon of hunting down a sentence or two of questionable content from years ago is so weird and fascinating to watch. I can’t believe the Boeing exec had to resign for saying women shouldn’t serve in combat, which was mainstream view in 1987 (when he said it.) 2020 is so damn crazy.

    • Anonymous

      There is some guy at a museum in SF getting sacked for saying they’d still buy art made by white men. I know SF is crazy enough where pooping on the streets is done on the regular but omg don’t collect the wrong art.

        • Anon

          Isn’t it racisim (and sexism) if one decides not to buy art from white male artists solely based on their skin colour and biological sex?

          • Anon

            Well, most people on the left would argue no because they define racism as power + prejudice. I personally disagree (and am also on the left) because I think that definition downplays racism between groups that are not in power (and because power shifts, especially in unstable countries); I prefer to define racism + power as “supremacy” and leave racism to be defined as any bigotry based on race. That being said, I do not think there is ANY kind of epidemic of “reverse racism” against white men.

          • Anon southerner

            So my college roommate’s Chinese-born parents who told her that they would never speak with her again if she brought home a Black man were not racists because they were not in power? They were just “prejudiced?”

            I am sorry but the that distinction between racism and prejudice is just too fine for 99% of the population and is the exact kind of academic distinction that makes my white, southern relatives vote Republican (although blessedly not this year).

            I like to think we are all prejudiced in our secret hearts of hearts but racism is what you do with that. And Asian shopkeepers who discriminate against Black customers are racists just like white shopkeepers who do the same.

          • Anonymous

            The California state Constitution actually prevents discrimination based on skin/sex full stop. So “reverse discrimination”as it is sometimes labeled, is not legal in CA. The choice to NOT buy based purely on skin color and biological sex/sex at birth is not legal in CA. So it seems weird to fire someone for saying this.

    • Anon

      LOL, imagine being so intent on finding a reason to be offended that you target a prolific academic who has published 8 books, written countless articles, and given hundreds or thousands of interviews and the best you can come up with is a couple of tweets from 2015 that the average person would not even sort of find offensive. Who even has that kind of time?

      • Anon

        Correct, but after suffering workplace harassment for wrongthink. That’s not quite the same as resigning for ideological differences – unless you think it’s not a big deal that her coworkers berated her on public Slack channels and accused her of “writing about the Jews” too much?

        • Anon

          I’m curious why you think she is writing a public letter about this and not suing if as she called it, it was “illegal” discrimination? I am actually curious here.

          • Anon

            I think there’s a chance she’ll sue. The letter seemed to suggest it. I think that she is writing a public letter about this because she is a public figure.

      • Anon

        If a woman quit her job after being groped, harassed, catcalled, and demeaned in the workforce, would you say that her quitting is evidence that she was not run out of her job?

          • Anon

            Why not? Harassment is harassment. It might not be actionable if not based on a protected class but it is still creating an impossible working situation.

            — Signed the person who was forced out of her job for conduct that was defended as “she isn’t prejudiced; she treats everyone like dirt.”

  5. Anon

    Why not? Harassment is harassment. It might not be actionable if not based on a protected class but it is still creating an impossible working situation.

    — Signed the person who was forced out of her job for conduct that was defended as “she isn’t prejudiced; she treats everyone like dirt.”

    • Anonymous

      If you care about safety and accuracy, you really have do your own research vs relying on an internet strangers opinion on a fashion blog.

      • Anon

        +1. This site is good for asking about fit on your face, not about efficacy or safety.

    • Anon

      I’ve heard different things: that they should never be reused, and that they can be reused and disinfected by leaving unused for 72 hours. I think it depends on the situation you’re in – if you’re not working in construction they can probably be used multiple times.

      • Anonymous

        I think it is also a factor of time-in-mask. 8 hours a day?

        I wear my mask for maybe half an hour, basically for grocery shopping. Then I leave it in my car parked in the sun for several hours. I feel OK re-wearing it that day if I go in another store or inside somewhere (picking up takeout). I get the fabric ones that I can wash and generally wash daily, but feel OK if I rewear like I suggested the next day.

        When I am in the office, I wear it sporadically throughout the day (elevators, bathroom trips, picking up copies from communal copier) and don’t change during the day but will wash at the end of the day.

        My mask and calculus would be different if I was in a hospital / was a grocery store worker — then I might have a Serious Mask but cover it with a washable one for daily use. And maybe a shield.

        • Anonymous

          If you put your mask down on a surface the germs on the outside can get pressed into the fabric where it’s touching the dashboard making it ineffective at filtering them out. So if you’re wearing it to do the minimum of complying with rules to have a mask on, that’s fine. But if you’re wearing it and think it’s protecting you, maybe you want to let it sit long enough for the germs to die off/wash between wearings.

    • Betsy

      My understanding is that yes, they are much better, but only if you can find a legitimate one and there are a lot of fakes. I read online to test for a fake by seeing if it holds water for 20 minutes but that also wasn’t from a serious source so I have no idea if that is legit either. I feel myself breathing heavily in them whereas I have no problem with cloth masks, so I guess that makes me feel like they are working better? I also have a woodworking mask (can’t be worn alone because it has air outlets so it won’t protect the people around you) that I can wear with a cloth mask over it, but only for short periods of time because it is genuinely hard to breath through. I couldn’t imagine doing that for an entire workday without passing out. If I were going grocery shopping in Miami right now I would probably wear it, but since my state is in pretty good shape at the moment I am sticking with the KN95 and hoping it’s indeed protective.

      My feeling is that if doctors could rewear their N95s for weeks while treating Covid patients, I can rewear mine for a while too. I have one for each day of the week in labeled ziplocks for added insurance that I won’t reuse a mask within the 72 hours it takes the virus to die. I think, if you could tolerate it, adding a face shield over the mask would add an extra level of protection – remember your eyes are susceptible to infection as well.

      None of this is based on official recommendations or resources, because there don’t appear to be any of those aimed at masks that keep the wearer safe. Wishing you luck and good health as you return to work inside a school. Your job is so important and it breaks my heart that you are left to figure out how to stay safe on your own.

      • Anonymous

        FYI, I’ve heard that it’s better to leave your mask in a paper bag in between uses— plastic helps mold thrive. This was from April during the (first) PPE shortage and there were photos of doctors / hospital personnel standing by tables full of open-top brown paper lunch bags marked with names. Not sure if this is still the leading edge PPE theory.

      • Anon

        Thank you so much for your input and well-wishes. I miss the students and families I work with terribly, but am desperately hoping for more robust safety procedures to be implemented before schools are reopened.

  6. French universities

    I know that students have a right to privacy and Europe seems to be very particular re privacy rights. Here is my Q, since family history gets lost so fast these days.

    My great-grandfather was plucked from an Alabama farm by the U.S. Army and sent to France in WW1. After the war, he stayed behind and took classes at the University of Grenoble (now called something else). I don’t speak French (and I’m a bit surprised how he managed — it would be great to know but he is long gone and my mom is the only grandchild left living). Is there a way to get his records from the university?

    Or would Alabama (where he eventually got a teaching degree) have that on its records (but who knows if French transfer credits were even a thing in the 1920s)?

    And maybe the family lore isn’t even correct — maybe he sat in on lectures, drank some wine, and danced with co-eds (if it was even co-ed back then)?

    • Anonymous

      Why do you think the university was renamed? If it’s the University of Grenoble Alpes it’s been there since 1339. There’s an English version of the website so I’d just email their general inquiries inbox and ask about how to find historical records related to the university. He might have taken French classes or something.

      • Anonymous

        I guess from something thinking that they were split into five different schools at some point and given numbers (so Grenoble I wouldn’t know about things in the 1920s but maybe Grenoble III got the historic archives)? In the US, a State U may have many campuses (Penn State — College Station (main campus) and then Penn State — Harrisburg or Schulkill Haven), but these all seem to be in the same city so I don’t know if I ask all I-V entities (some may be graduate or science focused, so I’m not sure where “American GI” fits in). Or maybe there is a general registrar / records office?

    • Flats Only

      I would send an email with as much detail as you can muster (name, dates, etc) to a main email address at the university and see what happens. Worst case it’s crickets, but you might get lucky and connect with someone who needs an afternoon’s archives digging project and finds something cool.

  7. HRT?

    I’m peri-menopausal but my dr put me on BPCs b/c I was having unexplained bleeding (she removed a polyp that we thought was causing it, but it must be something else or just being perimenopausal (maybe my family history of fibroids has come around for me this time)). I hate BPCs b/c I gain weight on them and just feel . . . off . . . in a way I can’t put my finger on. Plus at my age, it’s not birth control anymore and there are legit other risks (besides my vanity). Is HRT the answer? She says I can’t just stay on BCPs forever and it will be time to do something else. If it is HRT, is there anything in particular to recommend or stay away from? Side effects?

    • Anon

      I don’t know anything about HRT, but I feel the same on BPCs and have learned to just say no. I’m curious about bioidentical HRT, since I think the synthetic hormones (and also just low hormone levels generally) are part of what makes me feel off on BPCs (low estrogen + synthetic progestin is a bad combination for me).

    • Anonymous

      For me it was just a few years of heavy unpredictable bleeding then it stopped for ever.

      • Anonymous

        !!!

        How did you manage that? All black clothing just in case? And iron supplements? Maybe BCPs aren’t so bad — bleeding this much and not dying is . . . not how most creatures operate. [And don’t get me started on boobs — cancer runs in my family so I consider them nuisance equipment at best and give them the side eye in the shower b/c at some point they will likely try to kill me. Ugh.]

    • Anon

      I’m in full menopause and on HRT. (I had early menopause at age 41.) I use an estrogen patch twice a week, and take progesterone by mouth every night. I love HRT. I was having numerous hot flashes a day, sleeping horribly and had developed serious depression and anxiety. I sleep great now and have no hot flashes and vastly improved mood (probably mostly due to getting enough sleep again). I have no adverse side effects from it. I dread the day I have to stop it and hope I can continue for a long time.

      • Anon

        Do you have any negative side effects? I can’t wait to be done with the transition, but my gyn. said “hormones are what keep you looking so young.” Like, yeah, but it’s miserable. Do you still bleed –or do the hormones just keep you from having menopausal symptoms?

  8. AnonATL

    It may be late in the day for a lot of responses, but when you are calculating your emergency fund do you use the bare minimum expenses or your average monthly expenses?
    We have too much cash in our savings (hooray!), and I’m trying to calculate how much we could move out to other investment accounts and still have our emergency fund. Right now I’m calculating 6 months expenses based on a historic 14 month average, several months of which include things like refrigerator purchases,small home projects that cost a couple grand, and trips (RIP leisure travel). It is inflating what our expenses truly would be, but maybe that’s not so bad.
    This 6 month amount assumes DH and I both lost our jobs which seems unlikely, but given the world.. who knows.

    • Anon

      Maybe somewhere between the two amounts? I’d definitely factor in home maintenance expenses, like the refrigerator replacement, because those are still a risk if you become unemployed.

      • Cat

        I’d pick a conservative number in this climate, even if you could technically live on a lot less.

    • Anon

      I use normal monthly expenses, including gym fees and my 3-4 times a week restaurant meals and clothing purchases. I don’t include extras, like travel. I would probably significantly cut my spending if I was laid off, but I figure this is a decently conservative number.

    • anon

      I use my regular monthly expenses. I’d cut some things, but I’d also have to buy health insurance. I don’t count amounts I contribute to savings, whether retirement, emergency, vacation/entertainment purchases, etc.

    • Anon

      I always thought that unplanned emergency expenses and recurring, annual expenses were to be calculated as part of one’s budget. If those home projects are about quality of life, don’t save for them; if they are necessary (furnace, roof, appliances), save for them. If you spend $5,000 a year or so on necessary home maintenance, then a six-month emergency fund should have a few thousand dollars earmarked for that. Flip side is, you don’t save for expenses that would not happen if you lost your job (e.g., commuting costs, lunches out, pre-made dinners because you don’t have time to cook, babysitter to pick the kids up from school).

    • AFT

      When I had a period of insecurity at my job, I took each budget line (e.g., mortgage, daycare, restaurants, home improvement) and made a chart with the budget amount and coding each line as red (can’t stop – mortgage, groceries), yellow (would avoid stopping for a 1-2 month gap but would stop after 2+ months – daycare, gym), and green (would stop within a month of a job loss – most of restaurant spending, clothing purchases, etc.). I am a Mint user so already had a pretty good idea of what my average monthly expenses in each category was. There was a pretty big delta between red and green – like green was 2x red? – so I made my emergency fund 3 months of green (no change) or 6 months of red (big immediate changes).

    • Allie

      I buy everything on my credit card so I did credit card bill + rent and rounded up

    • Vicky Austin

      I have to ask what you’re going to do with them…this seems like the kind of thing my friends and I would have used to play pranks on each other.

      • Anonymous

        Obvi surreptitiously hiding gnomes in my friend’s apartment every time I visit

    • Anonymous

      Etsy has a bunch of vendors.

      Now I’m dreaming of building a garden gnome indoor garden. Cleary being at home so much is getting to me.

      • Senior Attorney

        This is one of the better internet rabbit holes I’ve gone down lately…

      • Anonymous

        Ok, the miniature garden gnome search on ebay also brings up bigger statues of cats and puppies eating the miniature gnomes. This is when I miss seeing my nieces. After hiding some with each visit, how great would that be to use as the finale!

    • Murz

      Not what you asked but just sharing some garden gnome love–I bought a toddler sized garden gnome for my sister as a gag birthday gift a few years ago and it ended up being a great gift! Her kids love it and have tea parties with “Mr. Gnome.” I move it around to a new spot in their backyard every time I visit.

    • Anon

      I immediately checked Oriental Trading. They have 12 for $7.69, between two and three inches in height. Not sure if that suits the need.

      “Micro gnomes” is a promising search term on Etsy.

  10. Netflix

    I am a recent new Netflix user. First, Schitt’s Creek. Then, Ozark. It knows who I am in the household and what I watch. Except when it forgets and goes back to Episode 1, Season 1 and then I have found it randomly skipping things. Like in Ozark, I thought I hadn’t seen a character in a while. Turns out that that character died a Notable Death and I never saw that — somehow it had just bypassed it. I found out reading ahead on Wikipedia for spoilers.

    Is there a thing that I need to do (other than have a notepad: S2E6 — you paused at 20 minutes)? Lord knows what I have also missed.

    I am thinking of re-watching The Wire next (if it is on Netflix) b/c I really want to savor some bits and just re-see it, vs needing to know exactly what happens to Omar Little from day to day (jk — I love Omar and his Honey Nut Cheerios).

    • AnonATL

      What are you streaming it on? We have noticed that when watching on our fire stick that if you do not hit pause, exit the app fully, and then turn off the fire stick it somehow keeps running in the background.
      I haven’t had this problem streaming on a laptop unless I fell asleep for a while.

      • Anon

        +1 we usually have to actually pause it before turning off even on our smart tv/Apple TV set up orbit somehow runs through several more episodes.

    • BeenThatGuy

      I bf is currently re-watching The Wire right this moment. It’s not on Netflix but is on HBO Max. The game is the game!

    • back to big law

      Do you have another person also using your same account (and the same profile)? I’m a prolific Netflix-er and I’ve never had an issue with Netflix forgetting my place or skipping an episode, even between different devices. I try to remember to pause the show before I turn off the tv, but sometimes I even forget to do that.

    • PNW

      Mine does that sometimes when our wifi skips out for a second. Netflix seems to go blind for a bit when that happens.

      You didn’t ask, but try Feel Good and Never Would I Ever. If you liked Schitts Creek, you’ll probably like those. I’m a major SC fan :)

      • AFT

        Never Have I Ever is awesome and just got renewed for season 2! I loved it and can’t wait for more.

    • Vicky Austin

      Ours does that a bit. It’s been better and worse at times. You’re not crazy!

    • Anon

      I have a roku because my TV is only a semi-smart TV.

      If I don’t specifically hit stop on a streaming show, for instance if I use the roku to just exit Amazon Prime and go to Hulu, the show I was watching on Amazon Prime seems to keep going for a while, and next time I go to pick up where I left off, the app says I’m several episodes ahead of where I thought I was. (And that, kids, is how I got so lost watching Killing Eve)

      So make sure you hit stop on your show before leaving the app, and it should fix at least that part of the problem. I’ve never experienced the Season 1 Episode 1 reset.

    • Anonymous

      I have been sending my kids to outdoor camps this summer and we haven’t had any issues. I feel that this was our dress rehearsal and it has gone OK (including taking the bus).

    • Anonymous

      Per this morning’s discussion about people going out and about after getting covid tests, it’s probably inevitable that sick people are getting impatient and are just spreading it and we will all eventually get it. I give up. Either there is a pandemic or we can’t be bothered with it. I guess we’re done pretending we care, so we might as well go on about our lives.

      • Anonymous

        Once you’re sick and faced with chronic lung damage, recovering from a stroke, etc., it’s too late to start caring again. Best do it now.

      • Anon

        I see this sentiment a lot from people lately and it really bothers me. I was an “essential worker” and worked through lockdowns. It was, uh, terrifying; but society framed it as a “privilege“ because I was “so essential” that I couldn’t work from home like a lot of other people. I wasn’t important enough to be given a choice. I was just plain expendable. Even now, we all wear masks and sanitize every table about 10 time a day. The finishing is literally peeling from the wood. I‘ve gone about my “normal life” everyday since the outbreak first started and it sucked and still does. I would love the privilege of being important enough to have a choice to stay safe. I don’t get that choice; but you do. When you don’t make it, you endanger someone like me—who literally has no choice because I apparently have to help keep some basic apparatus of society running. I would love to be important enough to have the agency to choose. You should lavish in that.

    • ANON

      The statistics in that article seem very unreliable. 54,000 kids have been tested, and 31% of them were positive. That is so few tests; it in no way suggests that there are outbreaks among kids. On July 11, 143,000 tests were conducted – in just one day. There is also clearly a difference between an 18 year old and a 7 year old.

      • Anon

        That’s a fairly large sample size, and 31% is quite alarming. Are you set on denying that COVID is a big deal, or what?

        • ANON

          I think with only 54k tests, obviously only kids who were sick were getting tested. It was always going to be higher than the statewide counts, where people are getting tested to return to work, etc.

          And no, I obviously do not deny that this is a big deal. But I do think it is ridiculous that poor kids and poor families will go seven months without school when the American Academy of Pediatrics and other experts say we should go back to school

          • Anon

            We prioritized opening bars over children’s schooling. That’s the sad truth and now it’s too late. We cannot reopen schools safely at this point. This was predictable (and predicted, many many times).

          • Anon

            I am sure the poor families don’t want their kids not to get an education, but they also don’t want their kids dying. And since poor families are more likely to live in multigenerational housing, I’m sure they also don’t want their sick kid infecting Grandma.

            And the American Academy of Pediatrics did not issue a blanket statement saying “all kids should go back to school.” Their take was far more nuanced. They basically said it is preferred that kids go to school in person, but only if that can be done safely, and their advice may change as more information becomes available

          • Anonymous

            Experts are saying “if it can be done safely” … but there are not enough safety measures that can be reasonably applied in the classroom environment (as it stands in public schools in the US). I guess the 18 year old will probably get sicker than the 7 year old but spread it less?

    • anon

      I think it depends on the locality, correct? Some places have things “under control,” well, many places do in comparison to Florida at least. Certainly, almost no place in America does in comparison to, say, New Zealand or Iceland; but there’s still gradations between counties and states in terms of testing/contact tracing/mask wearing. I think that’s the shortfalling in the broad application of this article. Not every place is Florida, thank God.

      • Anonymous

        Any place can be the next Florida, particularly with reopening for indoor gatherings aka school.

        • Anon

          That’s true, but also take into consideration where the infection rate is low, and the contact tracing and testing is high—like in Canada. Schools have already been open there for some time; and social gatherings have not in and of themselves created more infection because infection was contained and reduced prior. My point is 1) if you live in a place that has a reasonable state-wide response to the pandemic; and 2) you want to send your kids back to school, then 3) you should probably not let a study from a place that is really doing one of the poorest jobs in the country dictate your decisions. Of course, in the United States, that literally is just a handful of places; because on the whole, the US response has been disastrous. But to say that Florida is indicative of all places is actually pretty insulting to most other places.

        • Anon

          But you’re also missing the obvious: COVID spreads indoors when there’s someone who has…COVID in the room. So if a locality has an incredibly low incidence of COVID with high levels of regular testing, then outbreaks are containable even with indoor gatherings. And, it is possible to get an entire population in a locale to not have COVID by a prolonged quarantine and lockdown while implementing aggressive testing. It’s just that many places don’t seem to have the resources or political will to do it. But these pockets do exist in some of the most select areas of the country. Furthermore, some schools are moving entirely outdoors for instruction into tents. I think the argument should be that schools should not open in American locales that have not sufficiently contained COVID, implemented widespread testing, implemented mandatory mask wearing, and provided funding to schools to implement COVID safety. So that’s like 95+% of America that should not open schools. But for the meager small percentage that has figured things out, I would rather not characterize their decisions are wholly irresponsible or uninformed.

          • Anonymous

            What? Only 5 percent of the US can MAYBE do this thing “safely,” but you strongly object to the idea that parents should keep their children home safe? Very strange. Let me guess, you think your area is the exception.

          • Anonymous

            Why don’t you tell me where these safe schools are in the US (& I’ll bring my children from our hotspot because I can)?

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