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Anon
A coworker left and his replacement started a couple of weeks ago. He is an internal hire and fairly well known. He’s been rubbing me a bit the wrong way and elbowing into a lot of projects, but I’m trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and know he’s just eager to do well. He is my peer, with the same title and the same boss.
He’s out of office today and his auto reply says “Anon is my deputy.”
But – I’m not his deputy. I’m his peer, and this message really irks me. Also based on how our email program works, this will be set as his default message and likely used every time he’s out. Am I overreacting? Is there any way I can possibly say something?
Anonymous
I would tell him that he needs to ask your permission when he would like coverage from you (how can he be sure you’re not out as well if he didn’t ask). I would directly say you are not his deputy and correct with your title. If you don’t push back now while he’s still fresh and creating boundaries it is going to get much worse. Don’t let him make you his secretary.
Anon
That is completely ridiculous. I would email him and say that you’re not his deputy!
Anon
I’d approach your mutual boss with something like, “Hey Boss, I’m excited to have John on the team now, but I want to clarify something – can you confirm that my relationship to John is the same as it was to Steven? That we’re peers? I just want to make sure there wasn’t a change in the hierarchy that I wasn’t aware of.” And then you go to John and have a chat.
Coach Laura
No, don’t go to your boss. You might not like the answer. If he’s your peer, he’s your peer. Depending on office norms, you may have to help out when he’s’ out of the office. But reply to him now (or approach him the same day as his return) and say what others said above – “It is incorrect to list me as your deputy, so don’t say that again. “Colleague” would work well.” And “Please ask me in advance if you are going to list me as your out of office contact. You don’t know my schedule and I may not be able to cover for you.”
After that, I would push back on encroachment and shut down any mansplaining. I’ve seen this end badly for women.
Anon
+1 you don’t need your boss’s permission to tell this guy that you have the same title and role. Handle it yourself, and I’d do it soon (like e-mail him today)
Anon
+1 Do not go to your boss (at least, as the first step). React to the situation today as you know it and you understand your titles to be. I don’t know if I’m going to explain this right but even asking your boss opens the door for them to make changes, like maybe they were scared to before because they assumed you would be pissed but now that you are asking that makes the conversation easier for them? They could also use the opportunity to gaslight you and imply changes were made that you know factually were not.
hr
that’s passive-aggressive
Anonymous
I would totally forward this to your boss and ask that he explain the roles to new coworker and that your boss have new coworker update OOM to indicate ‘my colleague’ or similar.
Super offensive.
Not Legal Counsel
Clearly articulate that you saw that he listed you as his deputy, and that while he is welcome to put you as a contact in his out of office, you are his counterpart and not his deputy.
Anonymous
I would probably reply to his auto reply and say something like “Hey Jim. can you update your auto reply to say I’m your backup, not your deputy? It will help alleviate any confusion. Thanks! Mary”
Anon
Nope, don’t make it a question. And no need for the exclamation point either.
Anon
+1
Anon
I would email him and tell him to stop referring to you as his deputy.
Anon
I would forward the email to him and say stop by to discuss this when you’re back in the office, I’m available X date and time. Then when he comes, say you were surprised that he referred to you as his deputy because you are the TITLE, which is a peer role. And then pause and wait for him to explain himself. If he says no actually I’m your boss then ask him why he thinks that – it’s possible someone told him as much when he was hired so you need to know where that message came from so you can follow up with them. And tell him you were surprised that he mentioned you because he had not discussed you covering for him, and in future, that needs to happen (or if you aren’t the right person to cover tell him who is).
TrixieRuby
Quickly, email your new colleague, and ask him to change his away message before the ‘word’ gets out any further. Ask him to drop any reference to you, as you are not covering for him while he is out. He is most likely monitoring his email. Clarify that you are not his deputy, and that if he wants for you to provide support during his absence, to talk to you first. I cannot imagine that he was hired to be your boss without your knowing it–he is testing and elbowing his way into being of greater importance than you are. He is competitive and insecure, so this is his way of not being a peer to you. don’t go to your boss yet, but be prepared to keep him in his lane.
Anon
You all who WFH most or all of the time… help those of us who are suddenly transitioned into that mode due to corona! My company has gone “work remote if you can for the rest of the month” and here I am on Day 1 already missing the ability to drop by someone’s office to ask a question, be in-person with my colleagues for a call with the other side of a contract negotiation (i.e., the ability to quickly mute for a sidebar!), and print long documents to read/annotate/highlight!
On the plus side, without taking breaks to chat with colleagues and instead channeling that time around the house, my house is going to be spotless…
Ellen
I would relax and just work from home, which for me means I can just wear my PJs and listen to the Today Show, including the 3rd hour, which I normally miss to walk to work. As to the need to consult with others, just get their cell numbers and if they are working from home, they should have as little to do as you, so should pick up the phone. Otherwise you can TEXT them and they can pick up your message whereever they are (the gym, the stor, supermarket or wherever else they go when they are not at work).
You can also catch up on laundry, cleaning up the house, and whatever else needs doing. If you have a boyfreind doing nothing, put him to work and you can supervise.
pugsnbourbon
If you don’t have some kind of chat system, I’d push for one if you can. That takes care of both the drop-in and sidebar problems.
Would it be worth it to spring for a printer? You can get a refurbished one that prints, copies and scans for under $100. And you might be able to get your employer to pay for it.
Angela
Re: the side bar — maybe the “side” group should get into a separate conference line, perhaps on a cell phone or WebEx meeting. It’s cumbersome but better than nothing…
Lizbet
Microsoft is offering a free version of Teams that enables chat, meetings, doc sharing, etc. https://products.office.com/en-us/microsoft-teams/free?&OCID=AID2000955_SEM_XfgBGgAAAHF5Ugxi:20200310194640:s&msclkid=1249b5277a6611a0bd43eb4094fca827&ef_id=XfgBGgAAAHF5Ugxi:20200310194640:s
Coach Laura
Google docs allows two users to edit/view a document at the same time so if the Microsoft version doesn’t work, try that.
We loved having chat available when I was in Seattle, manager was in Texas and other people were in California.
anon
We’re heading in this direction, too. Thankfully our company is set up with Zoom capabilities, so I’ve been using that for quick video chats with people who work in a different building. If I have to work from home soon (seems likely), I’ll continue that.
Ellen
The manangeing partner is talking to our IT guys about installing webex or zoom.com. We already have teleconference capabilities, but the manageing partner wants us to be abel to simultaneousley share pictures and documents on the screen so that we can edit them accordingly. I think he wants this b/c he is spending the next month in the Hamton’s with Margie b/c she insists he NOT take the LIRR into work b/c of the virus. I know she wants him home also b/c he is good with his toddler, Glenn, and this allows Margie to go out and get her hair and nails done. She already has a complete workout room at home where she spends 2 hours each morning watching the Today show, and she has the manageing partner watching Glenn at this time. So if the manageing partner can watch over us remotely, that will give him something to do with the rest of us. Frank says it is not necessary, but that is b/c Frank is NOT involved in any kind of collaborateive activity like us Attorney’s.
The manageing partner says that when this corona virus is over, we will all take a trip to Hudson Yards, andI think there is a Nordstrom’s there. Dad is looking there for a place for us again b/c it is on the 7 line and near to the LIRR. I am not sure I like that, but it is better then the place he was lookeing at on Madison Avenue downtown, tho I could have walked to work easily from there. I am now thinking that I will just stay here during the Corona Virus thing b/c I know my neighbors and would NOT if I move somewhere else. Besides, what would I do w/o the manageing partner’s brother making noise all night “cuddeling” with his girlfreind? I can’t imageing that being me, as he suggested! FOOEY!
Kat, how is your bronchitis going? Are you getting better? I sure hope so. Also, I am sure I am not the ONLEY one in the HIVE that wants to know! YAY!!!!
Vicky Austin
Work is having a Roaring Twenties “prom.” I have almost no idea where to start with this (although I do own a black cloche and love an excuse to get it out). What would you wear? Any suggestions for search terms?
20s dresses
https://www.modcloth.com/shop/1920s-dresses
costume
Could you wear a midi or maxi dress with your cloche and a long strand of faux pearls? Dropped waists aren’t conventionally flattering on most and I’d avoid them (because it would be a one-wear dress for me).
Vicky Austin
Same, re drop waists! I would never touch that again. Most of my dresses are work-appropriate or something I’d wear to a springy graduation-type event, so I think I may have to spring for something sparkly and hope it can be flexible – long pearls make anything flapperesque, right?
costume
Now I want to go to this party with you…
https://vintagedancer.com/1920s/when-to-wear-what-in-the-1920s/
anne-on
Someone asked this before and shared the link to this Amazon set which is incredibly well reviewed (and looks so fun!). I’d use this as an excuse to purchase this in whichever color best suits your complexion!
https://www.amazon.com/Womens-Beaded-Fringed-Flapper-Accessories/dp/B07PB2YS43/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KJDPNWY4B4KN&dchild=1&keywords=roaring+20s+costumes+for+women&qid=1583867856&sprefix=swinger+costume%2Caps%2C208&sr=8-1
Vicky Austin
…I think I want three. Omg.
Senior Attorney
I have this one and it’s pretty great, too: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07G91Y53J/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
LaurenB
I found at a resale shop a sleeveless black sheath with fringe at the bottom (it was originally a Banana Republic dress); it was only $40 so it was worth having it altered to fit me. Then long beads (pearls if you have them, Mardi-Gras-type beads if you don’t, keyword long). Then a chance to break out my grandmother’s mink stole. Relatively pale face and red lip (if that suits your coloring). Have fun!
Anon Probate Atty
We had a Roaring 20s fundraiser for one of my daughter’s school clubs and I wore this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MW4FTJF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Very cute, comfortable and I felt glamorous wearing it!
Angela
I would wear a plain black cocktail dress that no one would find remarkable or remember. Sort of my strategy for all work event attire.
Thanks, it has pockets!
When my company had a Roaring 20’s party, I whipped out my beaded fringe dress that looks like it came straight from a late season of Downton Abbey, plus gloves, heeled booties, a headband with beads and a feather, and a faux fur stole. But I’m weird, I attend vintage events, I perform at and DJ my area’s 20’s lawn party in the summer, I had that stuff on hand.
I’d suggest a long dress – at least knee length, ideally longer. Ignore those art deco bodycon dresses, they can be fun but not authentic and, I don’t have to tell you, definitely not work appropriate! Drop waist is fine if you have it, but if not, the silhouette you want is one that slips over your frame rather than contours to it. Don’t worry about fringe, that wasn’t as popular in the 20’s as modern media would have you believe, but beaded details and lace would be on-brand. A long pearl necklace is fine, or a beaded one if you have it. Gloves are optional but add a nice touch. For makeup, think dark lips and bold eye makeup.
Rainbow Hair
When will the tyranny of 1920’s themed dress up parties end!??!? Especially work parties?!
There are so! many! other! themes! (I love dress up parties but these bring out the grinch in me.)
Vicky Austin
Alas, I think they are only beginning…but I agree!
anon
Now that we are in the 20s again, I fear not for a decade…
Anon
Friendly PSA that for all the questions that come up about whether to skip public events due to coronavirus, you should consider skipping even if you are young/healthy/etc. Social distancing helps cut transmission, which benefits ALL of us, and it might be our best bet to get ahead of this epidemic. I’ve mostly seen advice (here and elsewhere) to skip if you have specific health or family concerns, but that’s not going to be enough.
Anon
+1000
Anon
i totally agree with what you are saying…but am curious as to why public officials don’t just cancel these events
Anonymous
Likely because no one wants to acknowledge how widespread the mild/moderate cases are. It’s devastating for local economies when major events are cancelled. It’s like Milan’s mayor tweeting about ‘Milan never closes’ last week before $hit got real in Italy.
Anon
Because it’s so costly, I imagine.
Anonymous
Because money is more important to them than human life? I read an article about how governments must weigh economic costs and the impossibility of providing sufficient medical care to everyone, etc, and imagine that’s at play here. It seems they’ve already given up on containment (and it does appear to be a lost cause with inadequate testing) in the US.
Anonymous
It’s all about who has standing in the cost-benefit analysis. If the public at large has standing, then you assign a $ value to each human life. That adds up fast.
The medical capacity issue actually weighs in favor of canceling public events. If you can slow the spread of the disease so that not everyone gets sick at once and the cases are more spaced out over time, hospitals will be less overwhelmed and fewer people will die.
Anon
I think you should read this about how it’s a little more complicated than that. https://www.thecut.com/2020/03/what-is-social-distancing.html
Not to mention, there are going to be actual people and families hurt by the economic side effects of coronavirus. My friends who make their livings in the tourist industry are freaking out.
Anon
Yeah I feel like it’s kinda a privileged position to say this is money over lives. Lots of people can’t feed their families if things are closed or cancelled. It’s all well and good for me to sit here at my salaried job I can do from home and provides sick time to say we should shut everything down. It’s not so simple for people who a shutdown means no paycheck and no paycheck means no dinner next week.
Anonymous
They might be freaking out … but they’ll probably live though. It’s not worth putting lives at risk on a tourist venture so they can make money.
anon
If you’re willing to give people your paycheck and go without for however long you’re proposing people don’t do this, then I think you can say that, but if you aren’t, then I think it’s pretty unfair to say that people are “putting lives at risk” when they/their families depend on that money to live themselves.
anonshmanon
They do in other places. In Germany, anything with more than 1000 people is forbidden. In Austria, they set the limit at 100. These are just two examples from Western democracies where the number of cases is still being controlled. Italy is on country wide lock down. They are admitting people into the grocery store one at a time, to minimize social contact, schools and other gathering places are closed completely, and if you want to travel on the highways, you need written justification. And then there are the more authoritarian, collectivist countries, curtailing individual freedoms much more drastically to hopefully protect the population at large.
America is all about freedom to cause yourself as much harm as you like, and not great about weighing individual freedom against the harm caused to others. This is an American issue.
anonshmanon
sorry, they are admitting into the grocery store a few people at a time, is what I meant to write.
pugsnbourbon
Ohh I can only imagine the riots that would break out if we tried pulsing people in and out of stores in the US.
Anonymous
this. I think the other European countries are tightening up because the Italy situation was left too long before restrictions were put in place. Germany and Austria are hoping to stop community spread but I feel like the US has almost given up on that.
Ellen
Yes, I am making sure that my Grandma Leyeh is fine up in Riverdale, and I am staying away from sick people. Today, I decided to cook up some wedding chicken, so I will not have to go to Whole Foods for their stuff. Myrna is stopping by and we are then driving up to Riverdale to give some chicken to Grandma Leyeh. That way, I do NOT have to take the subway as I do not want to have to deal with the people who ooogle me up there.
anon a mouse
This, +1000!
I have expensive concert tickets this weekend and the venue sent out an email saying all shows are still on. This is in DC where there is community transmission. It’s not worth it for me to risk getting sick or carrying the virus to 4,000 other people, so I guess I will just eat the cost of the tickets. I know that the cost is high to the venue and the artist, but dang. Let’s be safe here.
anon
This essay is so great: I don’t know how to make you care about other people.
https://annehelen.substack.com/p/i-dont-know-how-to-make-you-care
Anon.
+1000. Thank you.
LifeScienceMBA
Fully agree. The whole point of social distancing is
1. to reduce the number of interactions you have with others, i.e. reduce the chance of contagion for yourself and others, independent of individual risk
2. to prevent transmitting to at-risk populations, and
3. to slow down the overall spread so that our healthcare system doesn’t get overwhelmed – this may affect you sooner or later if you have a non-Corona health issue (from breaking a leg to needing a diagnostic test like a biopsy, for example)
As always, individual actions do have an impact if enough people do them.
GOAT
Has anyone purchased a dress from GOAT? I remember Kate Middleton wearing one pregnant. Curious about sizing and general impressions. FWIW I’m five three, pretty normal sized! TIA!
Anonymous
I have three and absolutely adore them. I find that the brand runs pretty true to British sizing, perhaps a bit on the smaller side. I wear a 0 in vanity-sized US brands, a 2 in most non-vanity-sized US brands, and a US2/UK6 in The Fold. My GOAT dresses are size US4/UK8, heavily tailored from the ribcage down to accommodate my straight, long-waisted figure.
HeyAnonnynonny
I’m a w2 contractor for an oil and gas corporation, so I’m employed by ABC company, but I perform work for OG company. I was planning on quitting this summer to stay home, but now I’m wondering if I should wait until they let me go so I can collect unemployment? My employment contract just states that I am in an at-will state (which I already knew).
Anon
You should fulfill the terms of your contract because it makes it substantially easier to find work in the future.
You usually cannot collect unemployment if you are not actively looking for work, so it does not matter if you quit now or your contract runs out: you’ll have to search for new work as a condition of collecting.
OP
Thanks for your response. I forgot to specify that my contract has no end date. It renews annually and unless the OG boss finds fault with your work (I check in with him regularly – he seems satisfied with my work product), they automatically renew your contract each year. To be clear, I am not going to try to collect unemployment when I quit (that would render me ineligible anyway) – I was asking whether it would be worth it for me to stick it out until they let me go. I looked up employment benefit ranges in my state and for me it’s not worth it.
Anon
If you do not want to continue at this job and want to stay home (with kids?), your best bet would be to give your manager a lot of lead time. My suggestion is that about two months before the time your contract automatically renews, ask about having it terminated instead of renewed. You want to give them time to interview your replacement, segue your projects over, etc. Use your best judgement if you have a project due shortly after that time; you should wrap up that project.
Caveat: do not do this if your company has a history of showing people out the door the moment they give notice.
Anon
Well, I’m for sure getting sick/coming down with something, which means self-quarantine for me.
I’m looking for engrossing reads available on kindle. I like literary fiction.
Anon
Normal People if you haven’t read it!
Anon12
I really enjoyed Normal People. But her other book, Conversations with Friends, just did not do it for me. Could not get into it or finish it.
anne-on
Um, do not read Song for a New Day or Station 11 unless you want to be fully immersed in post-apocalyptic flu tales. I really enjoyed Evie Drake Starts Over, The Starless Sea (by the author of the Night Circus), The Strange Case of the Moderate Extremists, and the Library of the Unwritten. I love sci-fi and fantasy, so might be a good time to try a series by an author that has a bunch of follow-ups?
Anon
Oh man, I started re-reading Station 11 a few years ago during a flu outbreak in my city and had forgotten about the start of it. That was a kicker.
Alanna of Trebond
Station 11 was such an overrated book. Don’t read it for that reason.
CHL
The Water Dancer!
Anon
I read The River based on a rec here a few weeks ago and loooooved it.
anon
I was completely on board until I saw the price. $275 for a non-leather tote? No thank you.
Anonymous
+1
Go for it
+2 and it’s meh.
anon
Agreed! $275 for plastic? Even if said plastic is gathered by the hand of fair wage paid, highly trained people wearing SPF50, working on sunny coastlines for 8 hours a day with predetermined break times, paid vacation and sick leave time, that’s a very high price for plastic.
Ellen
I must agree. I love Kat and hope she’s recovered from her Bronchitis, but even with a $20 coupon, I require leather (and good leather at that) for all of my schleppers. While it is cool to go green and all, but I can get a recycled bag at Whole Foods for $1.99, or a cheap one at CVS for 99 cents. Mabye a partner at BIGLAW can afford this, but not this little girl practicing WC law with 10 lawyers in NYC. My dad would skewer me alive if he found out that I bought this! OY!
anon
+3. But this is also why I won’t buy Rothy’s shoes – I just cannot comprehend how a pair of shoes made from recycled plastic should cost $150. Not surprisingly, I definitely am not blowing almost $300 on a recycled plastic tote.
Mpls
I mean…it costs money to covert the material from plastic bottles to plastic thread and then knit the material and then assemble them in a quality that will withstand the typical washing machine.
Frankly, i would expect recycled materials to cost more *because* of the processing.
Anonymous
I am willing to pay $150 for the plastic shoes because I love them so much, but I wouldn’t even pay $150 for the tote. It looks like a beach bag to me, and a beach bag just isn’t worth that much money.
Anon
I was gifted a pair of Rothy’s in 2017 and really do like them. They are going strong despite the fact that I am very hard on footwear… but I would be hard-pressed to buy another pair once these wear out.
Of Counsel
I am going to push back on this a bit – I have a pair of Rothy’s flats and they have lasted way, way longer than my leather flats and have looked better for longer. I am not sure why a pair of leather flats that last a year before they are too scuffed to wear even with regular polishing should necessarily cost more than my “plastic” shoes that last three times that long and looked brand new before the soles finally wore through.
anon
Of course, I totally get this and know that I may be in the minority with my opinion. But I’ve only had bad experiences with non-leather shoes (sweaty feet, no stretch etc) and I guess I’m not willing to chance it with significantly pricier non-leather shoes like Rothys.
Anon
Nobody’s making you buy anything.
anon
Obviously no one is putting a gun to my head. My point is I can’t really justify that kind of money on plastic bottle shoes. I’m not disputing that many others like them and find that they are a good value for them. They are just not how I choose to spend my money on shoes (or bags, for that matter), that’s all.
PolyD
For real – I’m not really interested in Rothys, because don’t they make your feet sweat? I’ve only owned a few pairs of non-leather shoes because they make my feet sweat so much, it almost gets painful.
Sorry if that’s gross, but I’m genuinely curious. Maybe what they use or how they weave it makes Rothys more breathable than other non-leather shoes?
Anon
Nope, you’re right, Rothys turn my feet into a rot-smelling swamp.
anonshmanon
Besides the markup, it’s probably a more realistic view into the real cost of recycling. Most of our plastic ends up in landfills for a reason.
Anonymous
Script for friendzoning guys you have been on a few dates with nicely? I have been on two dates each with two different guys and have really given it a chance but, due to some value incompatibilities and a complete lack of attraction (from my end), I don’t want either of the relationships to continue as dating relationships. One of the guys I really don’t have much in common with, but the other guy we do have interests in common and I really enjoyed hanging out with him aside from the awkward end of the date when he went to kiss me and I was not feeling it. I would totally keep hanging out with him as buddies and am in need of friends with interests like this in common. How do I make it clear that he didn’t do anything wrong, that I actually want to be friends (not just saying that to placate him), but that i am NOT interested in anything beyond friendship without hurting him and making him not want to be my friend?!
Anon
“Hey, it’s been so great getting to know you, but I’m just not feeling the romantic spark. I’d love to keep hanging out as friends, but I understand if that doesn’t work for you.” Don’t say sorry.
anon
+1 this is a good script. Even if you do want to be friends, he may very well not, so definitely don’t be pushy about that.
Monday
+1. I think doing it by text is fine so that he doesn’t have to respond if he doesn’t want to. I have both done this and had it done to me. If he doesn’t want to be friends, you won’t hear from him again, and that’s perfectly acceptable.
Anonymous
Don’t. He doesn’t want to be your friend. He wants to date you. You don’t want to date him so end the relationship.
Anon
Yes, and not keeping a friendship is kinder to him as well
Senior Attorney
Yup.
Anon
Yep. I’ve never know anyone to turn a purely dating relationship into a friendship. (I’m sure it happens on occasion, but is really rare.) I would never want to be friends with someone I was interested in who didn’t want to date me, assuming no preexisting relationship.
anon
It has happened to me only once in 20 years of dating – with a wonderful guy who told me very early on (third date) that he realized I was looking for marriage/kids, and he was not. We have stayed friends over the past 13 years and interestingly, he never got married or had kids. I have a lot of respect for him for not wasting my time, and we genuinely enjoy each other’s company, so it works. But i agree, very rare.
Anon
Several of my exes were at my wedding. I went to many of their weddings.
The key is both parties knowing that things wouldn’t work between you two. If only one person thinks that, it’s a non-starter.
NOLA
Yep. I sent this kind of text a lot to guys, but didn’t offer to be friends, other than with one person. I liked him a lot on a friend level, but I could not see it working for us romantically and I had met someone else I was more interested in. We text here and there, but aren’t really friends.
Ellen
Yes, I agree here. Once a guy gets in his head that he wants to have s-x with you (and has fantazixed the same), it is impossible for him to enter into the freind zone b/c he always will be thinking of you s-xueally and will not just want to be freinds, even tho he may say he is OK with it. Trust me, you will find out if you ever go out with him for drinks, as men tend to loosen up (as we do to) after a drink or 2, and I’ve had all to many situations where men who were suposedly OK with being freinds (after I told them no s-x), all of a sudden lunge at you and put their tongues in your mouth when you don’t expect it, and their breathe is terrible from the drinking at the time! FOOEY on that! Haveing been there, I warn you to stay away from this situeation if at all possible unless you get to drunk to care, in which case you will have other issues to deal with. DOUBEL FOOEY on THAT!
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I’d recommend not being friends with someone you met as a potential boyfriend and have decided not to date. Unless you’re in the same social group, there’s really no need for this. You don’t want him to assume you’re “keeping the door open,” and staying friends means he might eventually want an honest explanation of why you don’t want to date him anymore. I’d just say “Hey, I don’t think we’re a fit and I’m not interested in another date. Best of luck finding the one!” and leave it at that. If he wants to be friends, he’ll bring it up, but I suggest setting boundaries preemptively, like clarifying that this would not be a FWB situation.
Go for it
Perfect to say. Very clear.
Anon
I would be so hurt if someone said that to me and just cut it off like that, especially if the previous two dates were fun. The wording seems very abrupt.
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That’s fair. How would you change it to soften the blow without giving the recipient false hope? That’s more or less my concern, that if you’re too gentle you’ll give the impression that your decision is open for discussion, or that it’s not quite final and he may still have a chance if you just chatted a little more, or just went out on one more date.
But rejection is inherently painful, unless the other person is feeling the same way OP is, it’s not fair or realistic to expect OP to somehow come up with a script that wouldn’t cause any hurt feelings.
AnonInfinity
I always say something like, “I’ve been reflecting on our dates, and I don’t think we’re a match because the spark isn’t there on my end. I hope you can find someone cool!” I think the part of your suggestion that would hurt me is the “I’m not interested in another date.” Almost everyone understands that means no more dates. If the guy follows up with me with some sort of plea for another date, etc., I say no thank you at that time. Only once have I had to say “no more dates” really plainly like that. FWIW, I am also less hurt by “I don’t feel a spark” vs. “I am not interested in anymore dates.”
Anonymous
If you really want to stay friends, I’d make it seem like this is a mutual thing even if you know it’s not. OF COURSE he also wasn’t super into the end of date kisses. OF COURSE he would rather be friends. You’re both agreeing to move forward as buddies.
Angela
I don’t think you should try to be friends with this guy. He’s an adult and can make his own decisions, but male-female friendships work best when there is not one-sided sexual attraction between them, which here, it seems there is. Use your time to foster your existing friendships and date new, exciting men. You have better things to do with your time than hang out with someone you went on one date with who you’re not into.
Anon
“ You have better things to do with your time than hang out with someone you went on one date with who you’re not into.”
Yes. This.
anonshmanon
I just want to say (and maybe I am completely misreading your post), that you don’t need to justify yourself! Tone is always tricky in written conversation, but there were so many instances of apologetic phrasing in your text (friendzoning them, but nicely, I really gave it a chance, we could stay friends, how do I not hurt them and alienate them), that it was really noticeable to me. You don’t owe them anything, beyond not lying about your intentions. You are entitled to walk away from this. They wouldn’t spend all that time asking their friends for advice on how to let you down gently.
Anonymous
OP here – totally agree with all of your points. It’s not an issue of feeling like I owe him anything, I am just trying to treat others how I wish to be treated – nicely! I have nothing to justify to this guy but he was kind to me and we had a great time so I’d like to end it in as painless a manner (for him) as possible, and prior to reading all the comments above I genuinely thought we could continue on as friends. Rethinking that last past now. Thanks all for the input.
Parm Problem
This is an alright problem to have, I recognize but I still need ideas: I ended up with a lot of Parmesan cheese. This occurred because I can never remember if I have it, so I buy something for dinner that requires it and then I buy more because I don’t want to be without it. I need to use it up, and I also have quite a bit of time to cook on my hands since I’m working from home.
What would you make? I have two small containers of grated Parmesan (or, actually, one is pecorino) and two containers of shaved Parmesan/shaved Parmesan and pecorino mix.
I have a bunch of pasta, some Trader Joe’s arugula ravioli, risotto rice, chicken, bacon, eggs, hash browns….would be open to savory breakfasts, dinners, anything, really. I’d like to use up a bunch of it at once, so my current “pasta with a handful of Parmesan on top” thing isn’t enough, or I’d just do that.
Thanks!
anonshmanon
That screams carbonara. Bacon, egg yolks, parm, a splash of cream if you have it. You can throw it in scrambled eggs (which you make to use up the egg whites from the carbonara. You can throw it on salad. It also freezes well, so you don’t need to rush.
busybee
Risotto uses a lot of parmesan. Don’t worry about using it right away though. Parmesan lasts quite a long time in the fridge.
Cheese!
https://smittenkitchen.com/2013/09/zucchini-parmesan-crisps/
https://smittenkitchen.com/2006/12/the-anticandy/
https://smittenkitchen.com/2009/12/parmesan-cream-crackers/
Anonymous
You didn’t mention vegetable ingredients you have on hand, but parmesan spinach quiche is good, as is Caesar salad (I like Martha Stewart’s recipe). I agree with previous posters about spaghetti carbonara and risotto.
I buy parmesan and pecorino at Costco and only cook for two, so I find myself in this position on a recurring basis!
Anonymous
Parmesan freezes well, too, and the grated kind barely needs defrosting before you can use it.
Angela
+1
Anonymous
Save the rinds and make a broth!
MagicUnicorn
The pre-shredded/grated/shaved Parmesan freezes pretty well, too, just in case you find it to be too much to use before it expires.
Anonymous
Eggplant parmesan
Anonymous
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