Workwear Hall of Fame: Moveover Pointed Toe Flat

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1. I found these shoes last year via Capitol Hill Style and love them. The pointed toe made them just a little more ok in my office this summer and I wore them out. Definitely getting a replacement pair.

   1. Does anyone else feel like they walk “funny” in flats? It must be because I walk more carefully in heels but when I walk in flats, it feels like I’m shuffling. Athletic flats are different (more comfortable for walking) because of arch support and because of laces/vamp security.

      1. After years of trying, I’ve realized I just can’t walk in flats. My arches are very high, and there’s not much foot surface touching the sole of the shoe, so I just walk out of flats and flip-flops. No problem with boots or laced flats which hold the shoe to my foot, so you may have a similar foot type.

         People give me the side eye when I say I can’t wear flats, but truly, I can’t.

   2. I have these shoes in the snake-skin and black patent. The snake skin is a little more comfortable (it “gives” more when it bends), but I love both of them.

   3. Love these shoes! I just got the snakeskin and they match everything, seem structured enough for work, and are quite comfortable! Highly recommend!

2. It’s been a couple weeks now – are you okay? I hope you’re getting the support you needed and things are looking up for you… Haven’t been able to get you and your situation out of my head since you posted, and just wanted you to know that your internet friends are still rooting for you.

3. Can any in house litigation counsel give me a run down of what an average day or week is like for you? I know in house is generally better lifestyle wise but I’ve done minimal litigation before so I’m having more trouble visualizing what to expect.

   1. Are you looking to go in-house for litigation? Because if you are, I would assume only doing minimal litigation would be a barrier to entry. Mostly because there are so many litigators out there and so few litigation spots in-house.

      1. Randomly clicked, didn’t mean to report. The comment is lovely!

   2. Yay! I love these flat’s but the manageing partner will NOT reimburse for flat’s b/c they are NOT work attire, he say’s. So any flat’s I buy I have to pay for. FOOEY!

      As for the OP, I know that my freind, Roberta, would be happy to talk to you about litiegation in house. But I can tell you that most of the REAL work is done by outside counsel (moi, en Francais), and she supervises by telleing me to add a comma or correct a usage point, here and there. So if you are going in house, you can expect to have a pretty regular job, tho you DO have to deal with bosses who can be real dooshes. DOUBEL FOOEY, b/c at least the manageing partner never pinched my tuchus, and her boss alway’s pinches her tuchus!

      I will have to report tomorrow to the hive on my Virginia experience, but I have a breif that MUST be filed tonite with the court, and that means no later then 4:30 so they can turn their PC’s off and go home! But that will be easy b/c all I have to do is change the name and dates on another breif, which I can do in 3 minute’s! That’s why the manageing partner love’s my work. TTYL!!!!! YAY!!!!!

4. I am looking to make an internal move – there are (amazingly) 5 positions I’m interested in. I’ve ranked them in priority order based on my interest and how well I meet the requirements. Should I apply to one at a time or submit applications to my top 3 at the same time? 2 of the top 3 have the same recruiter, but no overlap in hiring management. Thoughts?

   1. How similar are the positions? If they’re reasonably similar, so that it would be obvious why you’d apply for both, then I would apply to your top three at once. If they’re so different that it could look like you’re taking a scattershot approach and are just looking for any port in the storm, I would either apply to one at a time or apply to 2 of the 3 with different recruiters. It helps to have a well-crafted cover letter to support why you’re interested in each job, but you can never assume that the recruiter will read the cover letter.

   2. If it’s all internal, can you set up informal informational interviews to try to get a better sense of the jobs and determine which one(s) might be the best fit for you?

      1. That’s a great idea! Thank you!

      2. Agreed on this strategy. At my last company, HR referred to this habit as “serial posting” and it was seen unfavorably.

5. Those of you with noticeable grey hair who have decided to keep it, is there something extra you have done with your hair care/color to improve its appearance?

   I started going grey in my 20’s, and now have 10-30% grey coverage depending on the area. Natural color is brown, with some mixed shades. The grey looks dull and lifeless, although sometimes it is almost mistaken for more blond highlights in darker light. I can no longer maintain the regular dying/highlighting/frequent retouching that my hair required. I also would rather just go with it. I have chopped off most of my stick straight, fine hair to a short bob. And now I want it to look as good as it can be, grey and all.

   A hairstylist actually recommended the old Jhirmak line that he uses on his silvery grey. Anyone else have secret tips/pointers? We may add a few more highlights later, depending on how it turns out.

   1. You can any purple or blue toned shampoo/conditioner to brighten gray or blonde hair. I used to use one from Ulta (AG, I think?) that worked, though there are many out there.

   2. My grey is silver against dark brown (almost black) hair, and I love the contrast. That being said, there is often a very noticeable textural difference in the greys: They tend to grow in wiry and sometimes curly, which is completely different from my straight dark hair. I’ve taken to using more smoothing products as I’ve gone greyer, and while I don’t do a real blowout, I spend a little extra time in the morning making sure there aren’t any curly greys sticking out.

      1. The texture difference is what worries me. I have the opposite issue though. My hair very curly, and my few wiry greys only have a bend or two. Sometimes, it looks like my grey hairs are just pieces of string that got stuck in my hair.

   3. I use the Pantene shampoo/conditioner for silver hair, which I have to order from Amazon. I like it a lot — find the conditioner is very moisturizing and keeps the grays from being quite so flyaway.

      I’ve also seen some recommendations to use a gloss regularly, to keep your hair shiny. I have used the John Frieda Gloss a few times but haven’t kept it up since I didn’t notice a huge difference.

      Aveda also makes a “blue” shampoo, which is called Blue Malva, I think. I can’t stand the smell but some people really like it!

   4. I have baby fine hair that is straight and limp. My gray hairs seem to have come from Golda Maier.

      To mitigate against the bi-textural mess, I get keratin on the grays to smoothe them out every few months. And I still have to slap conditioner on the ones at my hairline (think of Cher or Stacy London, but needing to be sleeked in to the rest of the hair). I have a tiny amount of gray overall, but they are all in one place and the rest of my hair is brown.

      1. Your gray hairs have come from the former Israeli Prime Minister? What is the reference that I’m missing?

         1. She had very curly, grey-streaked hair, the opposite of straight, fine, baby fine hair.

6. I’m clerking right now, in the same city as the firm I’ll be going back to next year. Way back when I accepted my offer, the head of my practice group said to let him know when I was back in town and we could have lunch. In the last few months I’ve seen a few other attorneys from the firm though I’ve mainly been getting settled into a routine. Do you think it would be presumptuous as a future-lowly-associate to actually follow up with the head of my practice group and try to schedule a lunch or coffee? I don’t want to offend by overstepping/bothering him, but I’m also worried about offending by failing to reach out (what if it’s perceived as a snub, or socially awkward?). I know it’s a know your office scenario, and I don’t know him well but he was very friendly and encouraging while I was a summer, so I’m inclined to reach out. The worst he can say is “no, too busy,” right? (Also, my judge doesn’t care, fwiw)

   1. Definitely reach out. Not presumptuous at all–particularly since he told you to reach out.

      Don’t be afraid as a young associate (or soon to be associate) to reach out to practice group heads (or even department heads). The worst they can say is no, and reaching out is looked upon very favorably in my experience.

   2. I think you should reach out, but you don’t need to specifically ask him for lunch/coffee. You could say something like you have been in X town and are enjoying the clerkship and learning a lot, and looking forward to starting with them next fall. Then he can offer to meet you or just wish you well if he’s busy.

   3. He told you to reach out for lunch, so it would not be presumptuous at all to do so. Reach out!

7. So I had a doctor’s appointment this morning for the first time in over 2 years and found out that I’ve gained what seems like an alarming amount of weight since then (I’m not sharing numbers on purpose). I knew I had gained some weight but didn’t quite realize it was that much so now I’m concerned (and to be honest a little mad at myself that I let it get this far).

   I know I can get things back on track but I need a really simple, foolproof plan to follow to try to reverse this unhealthy trend. Any suggestions? I find it hard to fit in the gym but I know I need to, as well as a painless way to revamp my eating so I’m making mostly healthy choices.

   Thanks in advance ladies!

   1. I lost 45 lb (and have kept it off about 6 months so far) tracking calories with MyFitnessPal.

      1. +1/ I lost about 40 pounds, first with South Beach, and then with MyFitnessPal.

      2. Not the OP, but that’s the last bit of push I needed to pull the trigger and start this thing up. I’ve heard pretty much nothing but good things about it – and I’ve got quite a bit to lose. Wish me luck. :)

   2. Weight Watchers worked really well for me. I liked actually going to the meetings, but lots of people prefer online. For me, it was a great method of re-wiring my brain as to how to eat, manage portion size, etc.

      1. +1. I just finished my first four weeks on Weight Watchers, totally online (on my iphone, mainly) and have found it convenient and easy to use. It has helped me to hit the reset button and quit some bad habits (e.g., mindless snacking while on work trips) and to rethink portions. I’ve lost 4 pounds (one pound a week) and probably could step that up a bit.

      2. +2 for Online Weight Watchers. Lost 20 pounds once, and then 10 pounds that I regained four or five years later. It’s really just a tracking mechanism, but somehow paying for the privilege of tracking made me more consistent and honest about it.

   3. I’ve been there. The two biggest things that helped me: counting calories and smaller portions. Weight Watchers did not work for me.

      I learned that my portion sizes were completely out of whack. Like, I’d sit down to eat a bowl of pasta and after I started measuring portions/counting calories, I would realize that I was eating 2/3s of my daily calories in one bowl. I also realized that I was drinking a lot of my calories (regular consumption of wine/beer). I would try counting calories of everything you eat/drink for the next few days to really get a sense of how much you’re consuming.

      Also, I would try to find cardio that you love. For me, it turns out I love spin classes and hate running. It makes the gym less of a chore.

   4. Weight Watchers. There’s a ton of support and you can make as many or few changes to your lifestyle as work for you.

   5. Try substituting one meal a day with soups loaded with vegetables and beans and which have very less fat. Cut out any carbs during that meal. I have found that it will fill you up and leave you satiated. You can make soups very flavourful, so you will enjoy it. I did that and gradually lost ten pounds without feeling hungry all the time or feeling restricted.

      1. Just for terminology accuracy here – vegetables are all-carb and beans have some carbs as well. I think you mean to leave out dense carbs, like bread and pasta.

         1. yes..that is what I meant.

   6. About 10 years ago, I did WeightWatchers and lost 34 pounds. This year I gained a bunch of weight and I’m doing the “I” diet in combination with MyFitnessPal. I started the diet October 28th and I’ve actually lost almost 8 pounds already.

      There’s an online site, but I’m just following the I Diet book, which I bought at Amazon. Basically, it involves adding a lot of fiber to your diet. So I’m eating lots of berries, apples, pears, brocccoli, edamame, etc.

   7. Since fall 2011, I’ve lost nearly 60 pounds with crossfit. (and an iatrogenic hyperthyroid issue, but that’s fixed now). 50+ pounds is easily crossfit alone. The last few can be accounted for with the health issues. But, in total, about a third or more of my entire bodyweight has been lost!

      I didn’t change my diet, other than I found when I was working out a ton, I wanted to eat only good foods. I eat pretty much whatever I want now, and though I haven’t been to the gym (see above health issues) in probably 8 months, I’ve sustained without any trouble.

   8. For squeezing in exercise, I’m a fan of the Ruthless Exercise video series. They are 20 workouts that take 20 minutes/day and the package costs $20. It comes w/ a diet plan too but I haven’t look at that. The exercises are not overly difficult but you really sweat and gain muscle even though it is such a short time to do it. The downside is having to wash my hair daily from the sweat. My hair hates a daily wash.

   9. Don’t be so hard on yourself; the weight does creep up as we get older. I’m currently trying to decrease my sugar intake so am trying to make it a week without eating any sweets. It’s so hard!

      1. I gave up (added) sugar for Lent and decided to stick with it when Lent ended. I now eat food with added sugar maybe twice a month, and I choose very carefully. I lost 35 pounds pretty effortlessly. I feel like after thirty-plus years of struggling with my weight I’ve finally found what works for me. I do not limit quantities of other foods or count calories. Counting and keeping a food log make me disorder-y.

         1. That’s awesome, but how?? It seems like there’s added sugar in everything! It seems like it would be so time consuming and stressful to commit to this choice. Like how do you eat at a restaurant? Do you make your own bread?

            1. I’m starting off slowly by avoiding foods that are sweet e.g. candy, granola bars, yogurt, sugar and sweetened coffee creamers, etc. breakfast has been the most difficult. I’m only indulging my sweet tooth with fruit.

            2. ALN, what it comes down to is that I have given up most processed food. I don’t really eat bread anymore, but it is possible to find bread without added sugar. Instead of sandwiches, I eat turkey and cheese in a lettuce wrap or on Doctor Kracker crackers (2 varieties are free of added sugar). I eat sugar-free Edy’s or Clemmy’s ice cream and order sugar-free granola online. There are a couple cereals without added sugar, but wow, do I miss cereal, as well as granola and most protein bars. I only eat plain yogurt.

               I do eat at restaurants. I don’t grill waiters, though. Sugar-free is not a religion. I just avoid obvious things like honey-glazed chicken or salmon.

               I read a lot of labels at first. It was shocking. I sort of assumed that Whole Foods would be this smorgasbord of sugar-free, but the sugar is there. It’s just called “organic cane syrup” or a million other names. Now I feel like I know where it’s going to be lurking.

   10. Similar thing happened to me. All the sudden realized that I had gained significant weight (to me). I freaked out and beat myself up and started to try diets, unsustainable exercise regimes, etc., which totally didn’t work for me. What did work for me was figuring out which ‘sacrifices’ had the best cost-benefit ratio for me. For example, I cut out my thrice daily visits to the candy bowl at work (subtract 150 calories/day), I replaced pastas and meat sandwiches with quinoa and vegetables, which keeps me fuller longer and makes me less bloated, I cut by beer consumption by one drink per outing. I implemented what is truly a minimal work out routine, but one that I can stick to.

       Small, workable changes coupled with mindfulness was what reversed the slow creep for me. That said, it took me about a year to lose the amount of weight I gained in 1.5 years (and you probably want faster results :) ), but it’s sustainable for me.

       1. Quite late so I don’t know if you’ll see it – but thank you for posting this. I lost 20lb with MyFitnessPal last year and then put it back on through illness and anxiety, and so I’m trying to take a slowww approach now. Thanks for proving that it works.

   11. This obviously doesn’t apply to everyone, but switching from zoloft to wellbutrin has made a huge difference in my weight.

       And for self-motivation to exercise, I’ve been trying to focus on exercise as a treatment for depression / anxiety, instead of focusing on my weight. It’s somehow more motivating and seems more important to exercise for a reason other than “trying to lose weight,” which seems like a never-ending and very boring battle.

       Another really easy way to cut back on calories is to decide that you don’t eat seconds. Of anything. Ever. One serving is good. I find it a lot easier to take a reasonable first serving, and then just putting the idea of seconds out of my mind. I don’t need it, my rational first-serving self portioned out everything I need. I’m big on self-talk, so ymmv!

       1. I think that idea of reframing exercise is a good one. It also has the benefit of being a lot more credible! Exercise helps with mood immediately and obviously–unless there’s a serious clinical condition that’s not being addressed. Exercise for weight loss is a lot more complicated, indirect, and may work very gradually or (frankly) not work at all.

          That said, about weight, exercise can help with body image. Meaning you don’t actually get any thinner, but you feel better about how your body feels and perhaps looks.

   12. Been there, lost about 35-40 pounds in the last year. Get into a daily exercise routine and watch what you eat. I alternate between running, the pool and workout videos. If keeping a food diary or counting calories helps go for it. I cut out fast food and made an effort to make more meals at home. I also second the idea of substituting one meal with something filling like soup with beans in it, worked for me. Sometimes I’ll have a big breakast e.g. eggs and some fruit and have a snack for lunch, usually fruit e.g. a banana or two. Don’t be too hard on yourself either, once in a while have dessert if you want or fries or whatever other guilty pleasure you’ve been denying yourself. I also found that it helps to drink water instead of juice or alcohol, cuts back on sugar and empty calories.

8. OOoooo I like these. I always think ballet flats make me look like a frump, but I feel like the pointed toe would work with pants and still look nice

   1. I wear these with pants. They look good.

9. For Thanksgiving, I’m driving down (and coming back) with a friend of mine from high school and her husband. I want to give a gift or some kind of token of thanks, as it’s a 6-7 hr drive one way. I thought about a nice bottle of wine, but her husband doesn’t drink, and I’m afraid that giving cash for gas seems too much like we’re back in college–or maybe it isn’t?

   Thoughts on something nice but simple I could give? Traveling for Thanksgiving is ridiculously expensive, and I’m so relieved that my friends don’t mind me going with them.

   1. I wouldn’t necessarily jsut give them cash, but definitely step in at the pump and buy them a tank (at least) of gas on the trip. If it were me, I would also bring fun (but car appropriate) snacks for the trip and bottled water for all.

   2. I definitely don’t think giving cash for gas seems like you’re in college; my friends and I are in our early 30’s, and when we take road trips we always split gas. Who wouldn’t like it if you offered to buy them a tank of gas? It only seems polite.

   3. Like Maddie Ross, I wouldn’t give them cash for gas, but I’d step in and buy them a tank or two of gas. Also, with a 6-7 hour long drive, you’re probably going to stop for meals. If so, I’d pay for the meal.

   4. I drive people far places all the time. Don’t argue–just get out and pump the gas (make sure you look at the tank to see that you’re putting in the right grade). Just say, “Please, I insist. I am getting this.” And then do it. It’s much less awkward than cash. Promise.

   5. If it’s a 6-7 hour drive, I’d definitely contribute to gas- just say ‘please, let me get this next tank’ when you stop for gas. Assuming your car gets 25 miles per gallon (which is not unreasonable) and you have a 10-12 gallon tank, you’re going to be filling up every 300-350 miles.

      I’d get them a gift certificate or gift card to a restaurant that they both like. If you’re strapped for cash, a Starbucks gift card for each of them with a really nice thank you note would be good.

   6. I’m long past college and when I give people long rides I appreciate when they insist of paying for at least part of the gas. It definitely works best if they just jump out and insist. I’d much rather than than a gift of any sort.

      1. I think that stepping out and insisting on paying is what I’ll do.

         Thanks!!

10. Am I the only one who is meh about the BP Move Over Flat? I have them in leopard, and while I love their look, they have zero support. They are harder on my feet than most heels, so I’ve had to add inserts. I also feel like they wore out quickly.

    1. +1 – I also found them to be a little big in my normal size to the point where I am constantly flexing my toes to keep them on.

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