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Reiss Yara Textured Clean-Cut Shirt | CorporetteOur daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices. I feel like we've had a ton of white blouses on here lately, but there are so many good ones out right now! I like this textured, fluid blouse from Reiss — available in navy as well — it looks simple but chic, and I love that it's machine washable. It's in the Reiss Outlet — it was $180, but is now marked to $90. Reiss ‘Yara' Textured Clean-Cut Shirt A couple of plus-size alternatives are here and here. Seen a great piece you'd like to recommend? Please e-mail tps@corporette.com. (L-4)

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  2. Anonymous

    Need some help. I’m a recent grad in a business formal environment and still building up my wardrobe. I have enough suits at this point, but only two dresses that are formal enough to wear to work events. Well, I just made the massive mistake of dropping both dresses off for very minor tailoring the day before an important event (cocktail dress, clients will be there), and I just found out the tailor somehow screwed up… BADLY. The dresses are now unwearable without major changes. I have several deadlines today and will only have a half hour to rush to a store and grab a dress before the event after work. In the immediate vicinity of my office the only clothing stores are an Ann Taylor, a Forever 21, and a Target. Not ideal.

    I’m an exaggerated pear shape, average height. Can someone with some free time shop vicariously for me so I have some ideas when I run out over lunch? Also, if I don’t find anything that fits how terrible is it to show up to an event in a suit when I know most of the other women will be wearing dresses? Thanks in advance!

    • Former Partner, Now In-House

      Cut yourself a break. Spend the 30 minutes doing something else, put on some lipstick and go in a suit.

        • Scully

          Agreed. Or buy some sparkly costume jewelry- preferrably a necklace. Suit, muted top, heels, lipstick and some sparkle= fine for after work event in my area.

    • Wildkitten

      Ann Taylor will have something. You can call in advance and ask them to pull dresses in your size for you – though I often find the salespeople are not great at understanding business formal. You can also look at skirts + tops. Is your suit a skirt suit? You could just add a nice top. And I’m sure you’d be fine in a suit – women of a certain age wear blazers to cocktail events so I’m sure you won’t be the only person with a jacket on, just the youngest.

      • KS

        Fellow pear shape here, voting for Ann Taylor. They have some fit and flare silhouettes right now that would be your best bet for fitting off the rack. Try the Stripe Flare Dress or the Laser Cut Dress, perhaps?

    • LawyrChk

      Suit is fine. Of your retail choices, I’m betting Ann Taylor will be your best bet for something you will actually get some mileage out of and that will fit well off the rack.

    • Meg Murry

      Are the clients ones on projects you work on? Are any of your bosses/team women? Go to one of them and tell them what you said here (dropped off dress at tailor, tailor screwed it up, you’ll have to come to the event in a suit) and ask if you should come in a suit or if you should just not go.

      Others may have better input on business formal environment, but to me it would be better to let someone know “hey, I got the message about c*cktail dress code but couldn’t do it because of emergency, is this going to be a bad impression to clients?” instead of letting them think “I don’t know what c*cktail dress code means, or I forgot about this event until today so here I am in my work clothes”

      • tesyaa

        I think mentioning the tailor screwup sounds like an excuse, even though it’s true. Also, it might be perceived as bad judgment to leave alterations to the last minute, or to deal with an incompetent tailor (as unfair as that seems). Wearing the suit with confidence (and perhaps with a change of blouse) is a better way to go IMO.

        • Anonymous

          Yes dont mention the tailor. Weve all made a mistake like this at some point, but it does sound like bad judgement to take both of your dresses to the tailor one day before the event.

          What size are you? Where are you located? Maybe someone nearby will have something you can borrow- any friends your size?

    • mascot

      I think that wearing a suit to a weeknight event that’s right after work doesn’t look that out of place. I mean, cocktail attire for men is a suit. It might be slightly different if this was a Saturday night event or something where you aren’t assumed to be coming from the office. But, go to the event and rock the suit if you can’t find anything else.

    • (Former) Clueless Summer

      A lot more people may be in suits than you expect. Generally, we all go in suits (or work dresses with blazers) to any industry-type event marked cocktail if its right after work/downtown. Unless you know for sure people are changing, I would check because I bet there will be a lot of suits.

      • TO Lawyer

        +1 – I usually go to events like this in a dress and blazer. I think you’ll be fine in a suit!

        Breathe and put your best foot forward. You can do it.

      • L in DC

        Agreed. I generally wear suits to work-oriented cocktail events on weeknights. I’ll also make sure I’m wearing makeup and then throw on some interesting jewelry if it’s convenient.

    • Anonymous

      ann taylor has a search in store option- its not 100 percent but at least you will have an idea if there is something there for you.

    • anonymom

      You are busy with deadlines and only have 30 free minutes between work and the event. Even if you had a dress, it would still be fine to go in a suit under these circumstances. As Former Partner said, put on some lipstick and rock the suit. You will be more relaxed and present yourself better if you’re not rushing in from a last-minute shopping trip wearing a dress you don’t feel comfortable in.

    • Anonymous

      I would call Ann Taylor, ask the to pull business-appropriate conservative cocktail dresses and a could of more nighttime blouses that you could wear under your work suit. Worst case scenario, you go in your work clothes, best case you find another dress that works for you. If you have to go as-is, just smoke up your eye makeup!

      If you know most of the women, including those from your office, are going to be wearing a dress, then I would try to find a dress.

    • Snickety

      Black suit skirt, silky blouse, statement necklace, heels. With an exaggerated pear shape, you’re going to have a hard time finding a dress that fits straight off the rack anyway, especially in 30 minutes. Use the 30 min to buy a new necklace.

  3. LP @ target

    This is the day of the LP@ Target launch. Can you put on a more fun /sparkly shirt with your suit? Otherwise, I’d go to AT.

    • Maddie Ross

      Sigh, no. It’s Sunday. You had me excited for a minute to go run out and shop! I’m determined to get something from the collection for my daughter.

  5. Working Interview

    I’ve been asked to a second round working interview at a small, local NPO. This involves a whole day on site. Since the job I’m being considered for is not a direct service position (it’s a director level office position), I’m not sure what will be evaluated during this time. I’ve never done a working interview before, so I’m not sure how to prepare.

    Any advice or insights?

    • Coach Laura

      I’d look at it as a two-way “getting to know you” opportunity. Obviously, you’ll want to be engaged, remember names/titles of those you are introduced to etc., but also have some questions ready, ask questions as they occur to you, be able to discuss problems/solutions to problems common to your new position and to NPOs in particular. They may want to make sure you’ll like the job and fit in and you should want to do the same. I’d bring a padfolio and a pen and extra copies of your resume and business cards. Write down names or questions as you go. Good luck!

      • Working Interview

        Thanks so much, Coach Laura – that gives me some good prep pointers!

  6. Atlanta Legal Market

    Does anyone have insight on the current state of the legal market in Atlanta? Specifically, I’m looking to lateral into a litigation practice, and it seems to be very slow. Also, does anyone else think the biglaw market salary in Atlanta is oddly compressed ($135k-$190k) [and certainly compared to NY/DC/LA]? Is this still the case? The most recent data I could find was from a few years ago. Any general thoughts on Atlanta’s legal market are appreciated as well! TIA!

    • Anon

      Off-topic, but it goes to show how far the legal market has fallen that 1st years in Atlanta make 10K less today than I made as a 1st year in Atlanta in 2006….

      Unfortunately, I can’t be of much help (still in Atlanta, but in-house, and never a litigator). I don’t think Atlanta is slower than other major markets, and yes salaries are definitely compressed, but COL is also significantly lower. IMO from being in BigLaw, your hours aren’t significantly better than they’d be in other large markets, so the lower pay can sting when you’re working the same hours you’d be in NYC but getting paid significantly less.

      • Former associate

        In response to anon’s comments,within the last 2 years I left the litigation group of the NY office of an AtL based BigLaw firm, and on average (based on annual billing data provided in internal firm meetings), NY associates across all groups (with the exception of transactional in the 2009ish time frame) averaged 100-300 more billable hours annually than the Atlanta associates did. It was actually a bone of contention when NY bonuses were addressed, because Atlanta management would often point to our higher salaries, without accounting for the differences in the markets and the very real difference that we were billing more hours. M

  7. Lo & Sons OMG - Static?

    I just received an OMG bag and it is attracting dust and and stray hairs (I shed a lot) like crazy. Is this a result of being packed in plastic that will wear off or is it typical for these bags?

    • Zelda

      I have an OG (same material) and haven’t had any issues with dust or stray hair. Mine is black, so it would definitely show up if it did! Try wiping it down with a used dryer sheet.

  8. lining pants?

    I am highly allergic to wool and have been wearing skirt suits exclusively since all the manufacturers stopped lining their pants. I really need to have at least one pants suit for certain situations and am getting desperate. I have even considered buying a polyester suit but haven’t been able to find one with pants that come close to fitting well. Does anyone have experience having a tailor add lining to unlined pants? Does the lining hang well? Is it ridiculously expensive? Do I need to buy the pants a size bigger to accommodate the added lining? Or is this just a terrible idea?

  9. Seeking Help with Logistics

    Hi. I’m looking for any suggestions with respect to logistical details regarding my mother’s estate. My mother died unexpectedly last month. She lived alone in a condo and left everything to me and my two sisters (thankfully, we are not having problems with the will or financial aspects). We do need to sell her condo, which is in a state that none of us live in and is several states away from me and my sisters (we all live in different states). She has some personal items (framed pictures, crystal, glass decorative items) that we’d like to keep among the three of us, but I’m worried about getting them adequately packed for shipping via UPS or similar because they are fragile. Does anyone know if we can hire movers who will pack the items and “move” them to a location even though the loads will be quite small (a box or two), or have any recommendations? Suggestions are appreciated.

    • anon

      If one of you is going to the house to go through the contents and set aside the personal items, you can take the items in question to UPS and have them professionally packed there. I did this with some similar items my grandmother gave me years ago and they shipped fine.

    • mascot

      Is it completely out of the question to drive and pick up the items yourself? Certainly you can get them professionally packed either by a moving company or a shipping company. I’d imagine that the hassle and risk of loss for such a small load using interstate movers makes that not an option. Your option then would be one of the parcel services.
      And yes, there will be horror stories about every service losing/breaking something as well as hundreds of thousands of untold stories about shipments that go through just fine. But, if the pretty low risk of loss is unacceptable to you, then you should hand move these items.

      • Meg Murry

        Yes – as much of a PITA as it would be, could the closest (geographically) sister go there and pack up the items and drive them to her place, and then make arrangements for each sister to get her items? Someone has to go there and supervise the separating out of the items that are staying in the family vs those that are being sold or donated, right?

        How are you handling the rest of her possessions? Are you using an estate/auction company? They may have ideas, or experience packing up fragile items. Alternately, maybe there is an antique store in the area used to packing up fragile items that you could hire for the packing/boxing? In my town there is a family that does all 3 (estate sales, auctions and antique sales), so that would be who I would ask for recommendations on how to handle it.

    • Anon

      Most cross-state moving companies pack multiple shipments onto one truck. Have you tried calling moving companies either in your area or where your mom’s condo is to ask for rates? I would probably try the smaller companies rather than the major chains first, but someone might be able to cut you a deal.

  10. tesyaa

    I have a pair of Aerosoles heels (in good condition) that are several years old, and I think the style looks dated. Do others find that pumps and other dress shoes need to be replaced periodically just because of heel/toe shape? I feel bad donating a perfectly good pair, but I’m not going to be happy looking dated or frumpy.

    • Anon

      I had to travel to my parents for a funeral once, and forgot dress shoes. I dug around in my closet and my mom’s closet and all of our old shoes were SO frumpy. The thick heels on sandals, ugly toes, etc. Even with the 90s coming back into fashion now, I can’t imagine wearing them again. I have definitely donated perfectly good shoes just because I no longer like the style.

    • Sparrow

      Yes, I donate shoes if they feel frumpy . I’m with Anon in not getting into the 90s styles that are coming back.

  11. Zelda

    Any suggestions for solo travel companies/tour groups for someone in her early 30’s? As a single woman, I’d like to be able to plan a trip without having to rely on friends/family, but I don’t want to be the only single or the only person under 65 in the group! I like exploring different cultures, museums, arts (fine and performing), food and wine, and I’m not into backpacking or camping.

      • cbackson

        If you’re not into backpacking or camping, REI isn’t really the way to go.

    • Anonymous

      G Adventures has differing levels of accommodation/activities. Some of their trips are rugged, but others are more city/cultural based.

      • DCR

        +100! I’ve been on 5 G Adventure trips, everything from camping in Africa to cities of Southeast Asia. Had a great time each trip. The groups are normally late 20 – mid 30, but it may be older for the greater comfort ones. And they try to use local guides wherever possible.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve heard nothing but positive reviews of G Adventures trips. The original name was “Gap Adventures” so it’s a younger, 20-40s crowd and while they do have a lot of outdoorsy-oriented trips, they also have more traditional city-based exploring and bus tours for any remote area sights you may want to see. You can filter on their website for the comfort level of trip you’re seeking to filter out the backpacking and camping trips.

      Another thought is trips through your alumni association, but I think those still skew older and are quite a bit more expensive because they coordinate so much for you.

      • Wanderlust

        Just a heads up – My partner and I (late 20s/early 30s) went on a GAdventures tour of Vietnam, Thailand, and Laos, and in our group of 10 people, EVERYONE ELSE was 22 or younger.

        It may have been a fluke or due to the timing/location of our trip, but it definitely skewed young. They were only interested in eating western fast food and going out to bars to drink.

    • Ellen

      Yay! Nice shirt from Reiss, but $90 is NOT to cheap! But I will still consider it if it goe’s on sale, Kat.

      As for the OP, I would be interested in this also, b/c I am ALSO in my early 30’s but am NOT married and do NOT have a boyfreind. I want to travel and see thing’s but Myrna is NOT interested that much in traveling, and if I go, I do NOT want to have to go with a guy who will think I will have sex with him. I was thinking of groeing on a CRUIZE where there are a lot of single men, but then again, they to would I am sure want to have sex with me w/o even considereing me for my MIND. Where can I meet men that will respect me for my INTELLECT and not just want to huff and puff on top of me for sex and roll off and then leave, like most men in NYC these days. FOOEY on men that just use us as their private sperm bank’s. DOUBEL FOOEY!

      Grandma Trudy say’s this is a good thing b/c she got married very young to a guy who was NOT abel or willing to have sex, so b/c she wanted children, and he did NOT even want to try, they got divorced within a year. She think’s it is good that I sampel men even b/f we are engaged b/c this way, I can tell if one guy is better then another for me in bed and if I am realy thrilled with his sexueal prowess, I will be more likely to concieve a child quicker then if I just wait for some schlub to impregnate me, which is not goeing to be easy at my age. She also does NOT think it would be teribel for a guy to impregnate me outside of marriage, b/c she says these days’ it is NOT a bad thing to be a single mom. I disagree b/c I do NOT want to struggle. I want a rich guy to MARRY ME and have kids he will NOT abandon. I do NOT want to have to juggle child care with work b/c I realy do NOT want to do either one full time. I want to be like Rosa, not work and have a housekeeper and a nanny to take care of thing’s around the house while I go to YOGA, and then lunch with my friend’s and then come home where my housekeeper will have made dinner for the family, and the nanny take care of our kids. That way, I would be relaxed enough to make love to my HUSBAND in an way that would insure he NOT ever stray. This I think is where Rosa went wrong. She did almost all of this but some times, was not fully there for Ed at night. Grandma Trudy think’s that is why Ed strayed with the stripper. He NEVER would have stayed in NYC late if he knew that Rosa would be waiting at home for him, ready for incredeibel sexueal adventure’s after dinner. So I have learned my lesson VICARUSLY thru Rosa’s mistake’s.

      I will be there for my man (assuming that he meet’s the other criterion) and will insure he NOT stray b/c he will NOT have a reason to b/c I will be happy to keep him happy! YAY!!!!!! I hope other’s in the HIVE agree with my approach!

    • Anon

      G Adventures!!!!! I’m early 30’s and single and I recently took a 2.5 week trip with G Adventures in South America. It was my first time ever traveling without friends or a SO, and I was nervous about it, but had no reason to be. It was AMAZING. I made some really good friends and had a fantastic time. Everyone on the trip was single and the ages ranged from 22-38 (I did one of their budget/age-limited tours, which are only for people ages 18-39). There were 11 of us plus our guide (a local 30-year-old guy who was awesome and super helpful).

      We visited some cities, some smaller towns, and an island. During the day there are options for scheduled activities if you want, but you can also wander off on your own. A bunch of us ended up doing things together during the day and sharing meals because we really hit it off, but there were other members of the group who generally preferred to be on their own and just join the group at the hotel at night. Because it was the budget option, we did stay in cheaper hotels, and there was an overnight bus ride, but I didn’t find it uncomfortable. They have other options if you want something a little nicer. I was the only American on the trip, which I liked, but be prepared for that (everyone else was British/Australian/European). The only downside is that I live so far away from my new friends! I would caution that we ran into several other tour groups over the course of our trip, and not all of them seemed to work as well as ours (I heard stories of another guide who wasn’t very invested/helpful; also some of the other groups had interpersonal issues, etc.). So while I had a great experience, I think it can be hit-or-miss. Happy to give you more info over email if you want.

      • Anon

        Would this work for someone who’s married but whose spouse is not able to travel? Or is it very “singles scene”?

        • Nancy P

          I think it would work. I did a GAP trip several years ago, and there was one married couple on our trip. Some people had SOs at home, some didn’t. At night we ate dinner, maybe hit a bar for a few beers, and went to bed.

        • Anon

          It’s not very “singles scene” unless you want it to be… our group actually ended up with two couples by the end of the trip, and there were some members of the group who did want to drink/stay out late/meet people, but there were other members who weren’t interested in going to bars at all and that was perfectly fine. I think the fact that it was an age-limited tour meant that it was more likely to attract people who wanted to go out, and that might be less the case with the non-age-limited groups. Someone with a spouse at home would have been perfectly happy on our trip, I think.

          Also just want to add — I first heard about G Adventures from this s**e and I’m super thankful! This is such a great community.

    • Pippit

      I had a bad experience with G Adventures, back when they were GAP. I was on a trip to the Galapagos, and a guide with extensive knowledge of the flora, fauna, and geology was promised. The guide was not as advertised. While he was interesting, as he grew up in the area, and knew a lot about recent history, did not know much about the science, which was a big disappointment. He also did not deal well with the group’s requests or concerns, basically ignoring any issues that came up. It was still a fantastic trip, though. I have had good experiences with a competitor of their, Intrepid Travel. I have found their guides to be much more responsive, although expertise varies.

      To answer another question, none of the trips I took with either company was a real “singles’ scene.” There were parents with kids, active retirees, college-age people, and a wide range of adults, although they do skew younger that other package tours. The more “basic” the tour, the younger it skews, I think.

      • Anecdote

        As an aside to the “not a singles scene” comments – a friend of mine deliberately picked one of these trips b/c she didn’t want a singles scene. And then she ended up meeting her now-wife on the trip. So…you never know what can happen when you don’t expect it!

  12. Anon

    Resume question.

    When I was hired in my current job, I was given a temporary title with narrower duties, with the understanding that I’d move up in four months into the actual position I was hired for with a grander title and broader duties. I’ll only have been with my employer 8 months when I leave (state politics – the short time frame is ok). Do I have to split my resume into 4 months with Title A and 4 months with Title B, or can I just put everything under Title B? I don’t want to seem self-aggrandizing, but I don’t want the extra clutter on my resume, either.

    • Meg Murry

      For a less than one year position, I would just put down both titles, maybe as Title A (8/14-12/14) and Title B (12/14-1/15) and then combine the duties all under one header, since it sounds like Title B was an expansion or addition of the duties in Title A.

      • Anon

        +1. Put both titles together (including the time frame for each) and then combine the duties. I’m a lawyer and it’s standard to do this with summer associate/associate positions.

    • West Coast

      The best wsy i found to do it is to put only the last title on the main resume line. On the scoping statement below, you can say you started doing X and after 4 months, you were promote to Y, where your responsibilities included …

    • Muppet

      I would either list both titles in the same line, or only list the second title, since that’s where you ended up. Since it’s such a short time frame, it doesn’t seem like a stretch to me to just list that one.

  13. Mid-Range Intimates

    Suggestions for mid-priced matching bras and panties with no lace or decoration, nylon (not cotton) and underwires? In years past, I bought matching sets from Maidenform, but they no longer carry what I’m looking for. Most department store brands are either too expensive (don’t want to spend more than $25/bra or $10/panty, and preferably less) or have all kinds of lace (which I don’t want for numerous reasons). On the other hand, Target brands (G&OM), while they have the right style and price, fall apart after just a few months (example: underwire sticking out of end of stitching).

    Open to any ideas.

    Thanks.

    • Suggestion

      My suggestion is Soma Vanishing Edge – if you wait for a sale, it’ll be at your price point.

      • Anon

        +1. I’ve been happy with the quality of Soma bras I’ve owned. Though I think the biggest promotion they ever do is 25% off (often couched as 50% off your second bra), so on a $60 bra, it might be high for your budget. (They are more affordable on clearance, but colors can be wonky.) I LOVE their vanishing edge panties, which they sometimes do a 5 for $X special.

        I started shopping there in 2012 and everything I have is still going strong.

      • Anonymous

        I recently moved to the Soma Enhancing Shape bras (they fit my shape really well and don’t fall off of my shoulders) but Anon is right, the colors can be wonky. I can’t wear the Vanishing Edge panties because they have the silicone at the leg openings and my skin is too sensitive to tolerate that. I get welts from the silicone.

        • Anon

          I hear you.

          When I get home in the evenings and change out of my work clothes, I also change into plain cotton panties. The vanishing edge are fantastic at what they do (a normal panty that’s invisible under clothes), but by the end of the day, I want normal underwear! OP, you might buy just one pair and see if you like them.

    • la vie en bleu

      I like G a p B o d y these days, everything is very simple, have a large range of sizes, and you can put together matching sets of anything. They are a little pricier, but I use e bates or collect coupons or watch for sales, and I haven’t paid full price yet.

      and i second the B a r e ly There rec from Miss B

    • Anon

      I’ve bought many nicer brands (like Natori, Wacol, Calvin Klein, etc.) at TJ Maxx, but it is harder to find matching sets.

  14. Carrie...

    I frequently scan Marshall’s for my basic bras and better prices. Usually get Calvin Klein. It is hit or miss though in finding your size/style when you want it. They have some sets but usually picked over. I forgo sets and instead often match separates, as it is pretty simple to coordinate black bras/panties and nude bras/panties. Although honestly, guys couldn’t care less (!)

    For your style/price preferences, I would find a basic brand/style you like and then wait for the seasonal sales and stock up.

    Also, I am surprised how quickly your delicates are breaking down. I put all my nicer panties (and $10 each are nicer in my book!) in mesh bags in the washer and hang up all underwear to dry – never put in the dryer. And I hand wash all bras. It really doesn’t take much work, but I have never had underwire come out using these methods. And I am a bit cheap when it comes to underwear…

    • tesyaa

      I always feel guilty when I occasionally put a bra in the machine. Hand washing is the way to go. My Target bras are years old (I do have about 8 in rotation) and they’re 100% fine.

      • Baconpancakes

        I put my bras in the washing machine in a lingerie bag, and hang them to dry, and my favorite, most versatile, nude, slightly padded, full-coverage bra lasted for approximately 3 years (due to the elastic nature of them, bras are expected to last approximately 120 wears, less so for larger cups with more weight to bear). Others are lasting longer, but I don’t wear them as much. I do have a problem with my light-colored bras getting stained by dark shirts that I haven’t figured out yet, though.

        ETA after reading Emily below: My bras are all Chantelle and Wacoal and other high-end bras, so that probably lets me get away with washing them in the machine.

        • Anon

          Yeah, I machine wash and theh hang bras and nylon panties to dry and I get several years out of them (and I’m a D-cup wearing pretty bras so tough on bras).

          • Baconpancakes

            I personally don’t dry anything that’s elastic or nylon based. I have one particular pair of seamless panties that are still going strong after seven years. It really annoyed my ex-boyfriend to have to separate out basically every pair of underwear when he did laundry.

        • Mpls

          +1 to lingerie bag (actually, a domed thing specific for bras) in the washing machine.

    • Emily

      I have the opposite problem–I find when I handwash it doesn’t feel clean. I just throw in my nice bras (chantelle, wacoal) in the wash and line dry and they’ve held up nicely (better than maidenform bras I used to get from costco) (3+ years I’ve gotten so far). I do wash in a front loader with no agitator center so I don’t worry about the straps getting caught.

      • Carrie...

        I agree that front loader with no agitator is much safer. Agitators quickly destroy bras. I also wash all of my clothes with woolite in the delicate cycle, then hang dry. If you must use a washer for delicates (in delicates bags) instead of handwashing, this is the way to go.

        It is truly amazing to me how much longer my clothes/delicates last since becoming careful with washing/drying.

      • anonsg

        I don’t use a front loader but I toss them into a mesh bag an djust throw it in, then line dry. They last quite a few years. I don’t buy high end bras.

        There’s a bra subscription service that is nice, but you can skip every month until you find something you like. It’s called adore.me – they come in sets typically – bra and panty – and sometimes have big sales around holidays. You just have to know your size.

    • Cat

      ha – it drove me nuts in a good way, but I’m a freak who actually enjoyed the LSAT logic problems. I took the “semi homemade cooking” approach to solving it – used the explanation for the first step (how you figure out that it can’t be May or June) and that got me into the right mindset.

      But seriously, Cheryl, there are better conversation starters.

      • Baconpancakes

        I can follow the logic once it’s explained out, but I can’t bring myself to solve it myself because I keep thinking, “No one would say this. This is illogical. Bernard and Albert, have some self-respect. I know Cheryl’s hot and all but seriously just find someone else who doesn’t play mind games. You will regret this.”

      • a naan

        +1 for loving the logic games LSAT section!
        also +1 for Cheryl, Bernard, and Albert needing a new hobby.

      • Sydney Bristow

        I was all about the logic games and rocked that section on the LSAT but I just could not figure this one out.

    • anon

      Maybe I am stupid (but I did great on the LSAT!), but I just don’t follow how they completely eliminated May so early on. It can’t be June because after you eliminate May 19 and June 18 then June 17 is the only date left in June, so if Albert knew it was June then he would know the date–which means it is not June. This does NOT eliminate May, since there are 2 possible dates left in May and both are duplicated in other months. After you eliminate June, it’s Bernard’s turn. He knows that Albert doesn’t know, which means that it isn’t June 17. The 17th is now the only unique date left, so for Bernard to have sufficient information to deduce the entire date then Cheryl must have told Bernard that the day is the 17th. So it’s August 17. And once Albert knows that Bernard knows, then he can figure it out too.

      • Meg Murry

        The Guardian has an article on how you got to that answer, and how it’s both right and wrong, depending on interpretations. http://www.theguardian.com/science/alexs-adventures-in-numberland/2015/apr/15/why-the-cheryl-birthday-problem-turned-into-the-maths-version-of-thatdress

        I have a love/hate relationship with this type of problem. I figured it out because there were only 2 people saying things – but once it gets into 3 or more (I know that Bob knows X but Susy knows Y but …. how many are wearing red hats?) my brain just can’t handle it and I throw up my hands. Or I guess I should say – I don’t care enough to make my brain handle it. I like logic puzzles otherwise, but not the ones about who knows or doesn’t know something, or the people that always lie and always tell the truth, etc.

        But yes Cheryl, don’t be coy – either tell them the truth, or make them guess. Don’t be annoying – no one cares about your birthday but you!

        • anon above

          Ha ha–I took Albert’s statement that he knew that Bernard didn’t know as a fact rather than a deduction (which is reasonable given the wording), so technically I am right! Self-esteem preserved.

          • Anonymous

            No. No. No. The question is not ambiguous. You couldn’t answer it correctly and that’s okay. What is not okay is trying to explain away why you couldn’t answer it. You are not “technically right”. You are wrong. Sometimes it is okay to be wrong.

      • Catslastname

        When I did Officer Training in the Air Force, we had to solve one of these puzzles where everyone had a single clue (ie. “The window is red” and someone else has “If the window is red, the car is not blue”) while running a mile. It was a blast!

    • Annon

      These can be brain teasers and interview questions in my industry, ugh I hate these on interviews. Never directly related to the job responsibilities on hand !

  16. Dulcinea

    Re the comment about not getting into 90s trends again…. Does anyone else hate pretty much everything that’s out in stores right now? I’m grumpy so I’m going to list the trends I wish would just die already: “tribal” prints;skinny pant ( especially those with seams made took as if they are horse riding pants?; boxy blouses; COBALT; exposed zippers; leather trim; sheer blouses. And because I hate them so much I will say again: skinny pants including jeans. I can never find shoes that I think look good with them other than tall boots ( which I don’t find comfortable for walking around all day. especially because Iike to wear socks all the time and socks usually look stupid with ballet flats. Argh. Is it the weekend yet?

      • Dulcinea

        It looks good on me too but I’m just sick of it. And when it goes out I’ll be stuck w a bunch of stuff that looks really dated .

        I am feeling less grumpy now ( cleaned my desk which was relaxing and now I have a clear space to work). I do like the blouse Kat picked today!

    • anon

      Co- sign for tribal, exposed zippers, leather (why, ugh), boxy things, and sheer blouses (useless. useless. useless).

      I’ve learned to accept skinny pants but I agree on the shoe issue.

    • Anita

      If it’s any consolation, fashion magazines no longer feature skinny pants in editorial spreads. It’s all about wide leg, including denim. Hopefully, that means street/mall style will make the move, too.

    • Must be Tuesday

      I hate sheer blouses. Really really really really hate sheer blouses.

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