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Frugal Friday’s Workwear Report: Satin Keyhole Top

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I’m loving the color of this “salted caramel” keyhole top. I think it would look great with a navy suit or paired with a gray blazer.

The cut looks like it might be a little bit cropped, so I would probably buy it in a tall size, just to make sure I can keep it tucked in. If you don’t love the caramel color, it also comes in a great basic ivory or “green sage bouquet.”

The top is $41, marked down from $69.50, and comes in regular sizes XXS–XXL and tall sizes S–XL.

Calvin Klein has a plus-size keyhole top that's marked down to $52.12 from $69.50. 

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Elizabeth is a 30-something lawyer living on the East Coast. She spent seven years as a Biglaw associate in NYC, three years as a partner at a medium-sized firm, and is now in-house counsel for a large company. She loves Diet Coke, '90s sitcoms, and dresses with pockets.

Comments

  1. Anon

    For those looking for vaccine reaction anecdata. Late 30s. Had Pfizer #2 midday yesterday and woke up in the wee hours with chills & fever & aches. This morning, I feel a bit like the old SATC scene where Charlotte whines that her hair hurts.

    But I am so grateful to have received it, and I know this will be a short-lived annoyance! Gatorade for breakfast, coming up.

    • AnonATL

      My husband gets his first dose today! I’m hoping he doesn’t have a bad reaction because I was planning to have him shoveling mulch with me tomorrow.. lol
      Hope you start feeling better soon.

      • Anon

        OP – I had nothing but a sore arm from #1, lasted about 36 hours (haven’t heard of anyone with anything worse than that). I wouldn’t have been thrilled to be shoveling mulch but maybe it would have worked the pain out faster if your husband needs encouragement :)

        • Anon

          My #1 reaction wasn’t horrible, but it was much more than a sore arm. Headaches, fatigues, overall achiness and then about a week after the shot I developed really swollen and painful lymph nodes. One night it was so painful I couldn’t sleep but fortunately that didn’t last long. It was also the worst sore arm of my life, felt like I’d been stabbed. I’ve had a lot of vaccines including notoriously painful ones like tetanus and rabies and this was a lot worse.

          Fwiw (because someone always says that if you had a reaction to your first dose you probably had Covid without knowing it), I’m as certain as one can be that I haven’t had the virus (no known exposure, adults WFH and have been incredibly cautious, our only contact with the outside world is a kid in daycare and zero cases in her school, no illness in our family in well over a year, got negative antibody tests multiple times, etc etc.) It’s not literally impossible I had an asymptomatic case, I suppose, but it strikes me as vanishingly unlikely I had Covid.

          • Anonymous

            The anecdata I’ve heard are that plenty of people who probably haven’t had COVID do have a strong reaction to shot #1, and that people tend to react strongly to one of the two shots and less dramatically to the other.

          • Anonymous

            Anecdata, but my husband did have Covid a year ago in late March 2020 and also didn’t have a reaction to the first shot (Pfizer).

          • Anon

            OP here – interesting. I am 99% sure I never had it between a few negative PCR throughout and a recent (like 2 months ago and I’ve done nothing much since) negative antibody test. Nothing more than the usual flu-shot-soreness for #1 but #2 has me on the couch!

          • Z

            The “people who had COVID get a stronger reaction to shot #1” anecdata is all over the place (showing it really is just anecdata lol). It really doesn’t matter if you had it before or not, the severity of reactions to shot 1 vs 2 seem very random.

        • Anon

          Moderna anecdata: virtually certain that I never contracted COVID-19
          Shot 1, sore arm, headache
          Shot 2, sore arm, no headache.

    • Anon

      Most 30 somethings I know (especially women) had a similar reaction. Based on their experiences you should be feeling much better by tonight or tomorrow morning. I get Moderna #2 next week.

    • Lyssa

      That was basically my experience (age 41), and my husband’s (44), my boss’s (51, I think), and a few neighbors’ (mid-30s) as well. Advil and rest helped a lot. Feel better soon!

    • Jeffiner

      That was my experience with Pfizer #2 as well, but all of my friends and family who got it had zero side effects, including my 94 year old grandmother. She teased me that at least we knew my dose was working. Before we got them, and we were all anticipating side effects, a friend said “I’ve never been so excited to feel so miserable.” You’ll feel better soon! Congrats on the shot!

    • Velma

      Thanks for sharing–anecdata on second dose: very useful. Feel better!

      I had my first dose Weds. midday. Very sore arm (like a knot at the injection point) for an hour or so, then generalized aching arm and neck for first 24 hours. Possibly a low fever at one point, but all very manageable. Not a word of complaint from me–I’m so grateful my turn is here and for everyone working to distribute the vaccine.

    • Anne

      Late 20s. Took 2nd Pfizer yesterday afternoon. My arm hurts but that’s it, no other reaction. I suppose I could still get a fever sometime today.

    • Anon

      Has anyone who gets allergy shots gotten the COVID shot/s? My allergist said to wait 3 days after allergy shots to get a COVID shot (and then 3 days after it to get another allergy shot). I’m not eligible yet, but just wondering how the schedule juggling will be (and any different side effects, which I’ve never had from allergy shots other than I can see where my arm swells up at the injection site — I am built like a t-rex though, with very spindly arms).

      • Anon

        I did. My allergist said to wait a week after allergy shots, bring your epipen just in case, and wait 30 minutes instead of the average 15 minutes after the shot.

    • Anon1

      I found this article interesting for actual data relating to the vaccines. It is not necessarily about the reactions but the efficacy of the actual products and the testing. The source material is all linked within the article.

      [link removed by management]

      • Anon

        This is like a bingo card of COVID denialism and lazy pseudo-science. I have genuine interest in a risk benefit analysis (and many relevant comorbid conditions), and this was useless to read. It particularly bothers me when people take the hard work that was done to test vaccine safety and use it as a stick to beat the vaccines with, as if testing for a potential negative effect somehow betrays the likelihood of that effect.

      • anon

        Wow, really? I found it interesting, too, but probably not for the same reason you did. So, sure, the piece starts off with data. Below is how it ends, for the curious. Sounds like the term paper submitted by an angsty 10th grader who just finished 1984:

        “There is a substantial body of experts around the world, warning about the potential disasters of this novel SGT. The sanctity of life is relegated to the proclamations of those substantiating and in command of the New Covid Religion.

        The new normal breeds hysteria, ‘safe and effective’ are the cacophonous mantras. Only a heretic dare analyze the actual data or initiate rational query. The unscrupulous message proclaimed from on high, Covid is extremely fatal, the injections are extremely safe and effective. Full stop.

        Dr Vernon Coleman did not mince any words, in his emotional plea: Legally all those people giving ‘vaccinations’ are war criminals…There is no doubt in my mind, this is global genocide.’

        Of course, Dr Coleman’s comments were flagged as False information by Facebook. Meanwhile, Orwellian messages such as the following abound: ‘Love means getting vaccinated when it’s your turn.'”

        • Anon

          Another tool for the Russians to sow unrest and distrust of goverment in the US.

      • joan wilder

        I’m in mod for an hour and a half to point out this vaccine misinformation nonsense, which has been up all day?!?

    • Anon

      Also late 30s, Pfizer #2 and a similar reaction. 12 hours after had general moderate achiness, 24 hours after had mild fever, random chills, mild nausea. Then had some hot flashes/sweating at night. Woke up the next morning feeling 100% and no side effects after. Really felt like I had the flu for that one day.

      • Anon

        Also, I had no issues with first shot, just my arm hurting about the same as the typical flu vaccine, maybe a smidge worse.

    • brokentoe

      Anecdata from an old: I’m 60 and had my first Pfizer vaccine on Tuesday. No reaction whatsoever. Couldn’t even tell where the vaccine was injected. Hoping for a similar experience for the second.

    • Anonanonanon

      Late 30s husband had similar reaction to Moderna #2! No effects from #1 and is fine 48 hours now after #2.

      • Coach Laura

        I had two doses of Moderna, blood test/antibodies show that I haven’t had covid. Just a sore arm after #1. Next day after dose #2, I had chills, low-grade fever (99.4), all day headache and allover body aches. Had to stop working (WFH) at 3pm to get in bed with 3 blankets. Husband had similar but 102.2 fever.

        Spike protein test done for a clinical study showed positive antibodies against the spike protein receptor domain” which means my body has some defense against covid. For anyone with lymphoma or leukemia or multiple myeloma or other blood cancers, the Leukemia Lymphoma Society is running a study and they provide free blood tests to show whether or not the vaccine worked. The vaccine doesn’t work in a large number of patients, especially those with active disease or in active treatment.

    • Patricia Gardiner

      2 doses of Pfizer, no history of covid that I know of, 40yo:

      Dose 1: arm soreness similar to flu shot, moderate headache the next day, functioned at work no problem.

      Dose 2: arm soreness similar to flu shot, moderate headache and “brain fog” (felt like I was operating on too little sleep, but still worked a full day) the next day. That’s it!

    • Jules

      Q. What’s the most common side-effect of getting the Covid vaccine?

      A. Talking about having gotten the Covid vaccine.

    • Anon

      Early 30s. Had Pfizer #2 on Tuesday. I was laid out on Wednesday. I felt terrible. But, like others have said, I took solace in the fact that I wasn’t actually sick, it would soon pass, and it was better than getting COVID. I felt much better yesterday, and am back to 100% today.

      • Anonymous

        1st Pfizer shot yesterday. Felt terrible yesterday & most of today. (Headache, fatigue, brain fog). Arm very sore (worse than tetanus shot). Dreading getting #2 in a few weeks.

        Quite certain I haven’t had Covid.

  2. 5th anni

    Any suggestions for a fifth anniversary present — the “wood” year? Open to anything! We love kitchen stuff and cooking, have a toddler, live in DC. My two thoughts were either a new golf club or a new piece of art in a wooden frame, but would love to hear any inspired suggestions otherwise!

    • Cat

      We totally stretch the guidelines and enjoy traveling, so for “wood” we did a mountain getaway.

      • NYCer

        +1. This is what I would do. Plus throw in one of those giant Jenga sets (it is surprisingly fun for a range of ages), or a new wood salad bowl / serving platter / cheese platter.

    • anon a mouse

      What about a wooden cutting board in the shape of DC? I’ve seen state versions at Uncommon Goods, and I’m sure there are etsy sellers as well.

    • Anon

      Really nice salad bowl and salad servers
      Peugeot or other fancy pepper grinder in wood
      Cheese boards in wood
      Cheese grotto in wood

      Love the traveling to the forest for a vacation suggestion!

    • anon

      I love anything made of olivewood–kitchen spoons, cheese boards, salad bowls, etc.

    • Anon

      Thought of another one — when my son was a toddler, his grandparents bought us a really nice, really large, wooden block set. We all had so much fun building cities and castles and whatever else we could think of. And every once in a while we still get the set out and build something after dinner (my son is now 23). It’s very soothing!

    • Anon

      Agree with the travel rec above; I would do a road trip to the redwoods. :)

      My fifth is this year, and I’m thinking about getting some nice custom shelving and cabinets for my husband, whose hobby really needs a storage space upgrade!

    • Senior Attorney

      We have a Giant Jenga set and we love it. When parties are a thing again it will be fun to play with guests.

      • No Face

        I played with one of these at a bar and it was really fun. Thank you for reminding me that this exists.

  3. anon

    for those who are following this more closely, does it look like people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID can carry the virus/infect others?

    • Anon

      My husband works for a court system and the court hired a nationally renowned epidemiologist to help with their re-opening plans. The epidemiologist said in a webinar to employees that preliminary data shows vaccinated people are not transmitting the virus but that the data is too new to say definitively. So, signs are pointing positive.

      This was important to the court employees as some staff were resuming roles that could put their families at risk if they could transmit the virus still.

      • Anon

        +1 – just attended a lecture by an infectious disease expert. Preliminary data is suggesting that fully vaccinated people are not carrying/transmitting the virus but takes a lot more data to say so definitively.

        • Anon

          Nope! I bet they are all doing this. I’m in Northern New England and fed and state are sharing the epidemiologist.

    • Anon

      All the evidence right now is that the vaccines significantly reduce the likelihood of transmission but don’t completely eliminate it. Transmission could occur in the people who get sick despite being vaccinated or in people who get very mild infections and don’t know they’re sick but still shed some virus for a few days. Hence the CDC guidance that it’s fine to be around other vaccinated people, but you should be cautious with people who aren’t. The risk of transmitting to them is low, but not nothing, so you should evaluate the risk to the unvaccinated people and avoid being around large groups of unvaccinated people because you don’t know whether they’re at high risk or not. As more people get vaccinated and population infection rates drop, this will be much less of a concern, but we’re not quite there yet and variants are increasing, so just keep being careful for a few more months. At least at that point, anyone who wants a vaccine will have had a chance to get one, which brings the risk way down and means that most people who aren’t vaccinated have chosen to be that way (excluding kids and some special conditions).

    • Anon

      More data is needed, especially re variants. Don’t listen to anyone who tells you it’s a safe bet. We simply don’t know enough yet.

        • Anonymous

          What?? So less data or is needed? Or are you saying don’t listen to anyone who says it’s unsafe because there isn’t enough data to accurately assess risk level? Both make about as much sense.

    • Anon

      It appears to be quite rare. There’s a lot of good data coming out of Israel about vaccines reducing transmission, and the UK variant is pretty dominant there. Even if vaccinated people test positive and get sick, which does happen sometimes, they likely have lower viral loads and are less likely to infect others. I think it was Hawaii that recently announced that several vaccinated people had tested positive, but contact tracing revealed they didn’t infect anyone else. That said, I fully agree with the CDC that vaccinated people should continue to wear masks in public – ideally until we get real herd immunity that protects kids and the adults who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons, but at the very least until all adults who want the vaccine and can safely get it have access to it.

  4. Anonymous

    Looking for a gut check. I met my boyfriend 6 months ago and obviously our ability to meet friends and family has been limited due to Covid.

    He’s very close to his family who live a 3-hour plane ride away (parents, sibs, nieces/nephews) and usually sees them multiple times a year, but now it’s been over a year. I met them on a family Zoom on Thanksgiving but don’t have any relationship or direct contact with them.

    He’s started talking about how much he’s looking forward to visiting them again post vaccine. I’d love to join him and meet them for real, but I don’t know if it’s too soon, or if they’ll want to do their own family reunion thing. If you were me would you bring it up, or just let him make his choice about inviting me or not without hinting or discussing?

    • No Face

      I would just let him invite me if he wants. Personally, if I hadn’t seen my family in a year, I would want quality time with them without the “meet my new person” rigmarole. But your boyfriend could have a different view.

      Also, my stance is to never hint about anything. It has served me well in life.

    • anon

      I would address it directly, when it comes up again–“I can’t wait to meet them, but I understand if you’d like to make the trip alone for your first reunion.”

      • Anonymous

        This wording (I can’t wait to meet them but I’d understand ) feels like pressuring to take her. This is completely his deal. She should respect that and just follow his lead.

        • Anonymous

          This is OP, and I am probably more of a guesser per SA’s link above…but I might feel pressured if someone used that phrasing with me. Like, would he really completely understand or is he just saying that? (This is not based on my bf’s personality or our interactions, just my own general approach.)

        • Monte

          It reads that way to me as well, and I know I would be pissed if the first time I saw my brother in a year he brought along some woman he has known for 6 months, but clearly mileage varies on both points.

          • Anonymous

            Uh wow “some woman”? If he’s introducing her to family they’re probably pretty committed to each other. How is introducing you to (hopefully) your future sister in law, possibly future mother of your nieces and nephews, something to be mad about?

        • anon@9:58

          I disagree that this is completely his deal. Meeting families in person is a typical step in a relationship. OP can talk to her boyfriend of 6 months about whether and when they want to meet each other’s families, especially since Covid has disrupted some of the normal opportunities for that to come up. If my SO of 6 months was just quiet every time I mentioned visiting my family, I’d think they didn’t want to meet them for some reason. It sounds like she does want to meet them but is also being considerate about her boyfriend wanting one-on-one time for his first visit in a year.

    • Anonymous

      It depends on the relationship and your personality. Six months can mean different things depending on where you both are in your lives. At six months, DH and I knew we were going to get married. But we were also in our late 30s and were very up front that we were looking for a spouse not just a good time. When I was younger and/or not dating-to-find-a-husband-and-coparent, six months was generally still pretty casual. If you’re talking about marriage or moving in together then I think you should feel comfortable talking about when you’re going to meet his family. If you just DTR last week then maybe not so much.

      I also think you have to be true to yourself when you’re dating. I’m a very heart on my sleeve, direct kind of person. I would not be compatible with someone who can’t handle directness. If you really want to talk about something then you should be able to talk about it without your partner feeling threatened. Fwiw I brought up meeting DH’s parents earlier than I think he was comfortable, and he was maybe a little weirded out by it. But it was really nbd, he wasn’t offended or anything, and it worked out obviously!

  5. Lyssa

    This shirt is really pretty, but I wish it were a bit more fitted so it could be worn untucked. I’ve come to the conclusion that I really hate tucking things in – the items that have to be tucked just sit in my closet, and I’m constantly looking for nice shirts to wear untucked. My size is probably close to the model wearing the green version (but I’m 5 inches shorter), and she looks like she’s swimming in it.

    • No Face

      Different strokes. The way the top drapes on the model with the green version is the way I prefer all my tops to look! I never tuck anything under any circumstance.

    • Anon

      Does anyone know if this is a shiny stain? I feel like that’s not a daytime casual fabric, but maybe that’s because I’ve seen it in too many bad mother-of-the-bride dresses.

        • Cat

          Ha- the first thing I thought when I saw this is that it looks like it would definitely generate pit stains. The material does not look at all breathable and medium colors show the worst!

    • nona

      You might be able to have it tailored (shaping at the side seams or darts front and back) and then hemmed to hip length for you. But then you potentially have issues with it an over-the-head and might need to put an invisible zipper in the side to get your shoulders thru.

      But that sounds like a lot of work (from someone that sews), so I would focus on what you like about it (the fabric? the shine? the blousing at the waist – which won’t happen with the alterations suggested above) and try to find that somewhere else. So – use this as an inspiration piece :)

      • Anon

        The point is that most shirts out there these days are boxy and shapeless and it’s not easy to find a more fitted top, no matter how much inspiration you have.

  6. Anon

    For those of you in the office, what sort of dresses are people wearing to offices these days? I wear pants spring/fall, but in the summer I am a dress person. I used to be Team Sheath and then over the past couple of years I see midi-dresses and shifts in ads more. But I don’t see enough real people to know if something would fly (or how things look if you throw a blazer/jacket over them — it could be a mullet outfit — business on top, party down below, or it could be fine). My office is casual, but mainly that is just people switched their pants to jeans (although IMO it is too sticky and hot for jeans in the summer). The jacket is a need — we chill it down too much in the summer.

    • Cat

      Not back in the office, but from casually observing people in business casual when picking up lunch or whatever – the answer is the same stuff they were wearing in early spring 2020.

      Those people are few and far between compared to people in denim or more jersey knit type stuff, though… but I suspect as offices re-fill and people are more visible again, the super-casual looks will phase out accordingly. Like if I went into the office today the odds are I’d see maybe 2 other people so I’m not pulling out a dry clean dress, KWIM?

      • No Face

        I agree with this. Everyone is wearing the same exact things as before in the same situations, or they are Extremely Casual because the office is next to empty.

    • Anon

      Curious — we are back in the office on 6/1, so I need to shop for something that fits to wear.

    • Anonymous

      I am wondering about dress length for business formal. I keep seeing photos of Queen Letizia in below-knee or midi-length skirts and dresses and wonder whether my knee-length dresses will look dowdy once I finally start wearing them again.

      • Anonymous

        Mine are all hemmed to just above the knee, like top third of the knee. It is the most flattering spot for me — I am wide hipped and short, so midi dresses are not my friend and neither are sheaths. Anywhere below the knee not only makes me look dowdy but blows up my calves to epic proportions. Anything above the knee (more than an inch) makes my thighs look big. IF I were built like Queen Letizia, I could wear whatever I want but I’m built a little more like Queen Elizabeth, circa 1970

  7. Clementine

    Is everyone following what’s going on in the Suez? It’s absolute insanity right now – global shipping (which moves 90% of everything) is basically crippled between Europe and Asia.

    The alternates are going around the horn of Africa (which ships are defaulting to even though it adds around 20-30 days to a trip) or using the Panama Canal which is much smaller and can accommodate much smaller ships.

    • Anon

      Only following it for the memes tbh. I like the picture of the tiny digger against the huge hull with captions like “my daily walk outside against my COVID-19 anxiety.”

      In all seriousness, it’s pretty crazy. I hope this doesn’t impact vaccine distribution in the region.

      • Ribena

        I also love the memes. I saw one labelling the ship as ‘me having an entire pizza and bottle of wine’ and the digger as ‘20 minutes of cardio’ which gave me a good chuckle.

    • Anonymous

      I’m following! I work in shipping and I… kind of love it? It’s basically a victimless tragedy, I don’t feel bad for corporations or the over consumption they facilitate. It’s so crazy in the best possible way.

      • Anon

        Are there no necessities on those ships? I’m concerned it’s going to cause a major supply chain disruption including for critical supplies.

        • Anonymous

          Not really given that most ports are awful at planning vessel arrivals so ships often anchor for days or weeks before unloading cargo anyways.

      • Jeffiner

        Yes! I love that for once we can laugh at the disasters in the news. Did everyone see the p3nis the ship drew while holding in the Red Sea before entering the canal?

        • Anon

          No, but I know it’s common with planes to do that. I just had a kid do the Orienteering merit badge in scouts and now I can point to why having good navigation skills is important: 1) do not block Suez canal (TBH, I heard it is a dredging issue and also that the ship is one of the largest on the planet) and 2) make sure your “art” is symmetrical and life-like, so that we all understand what you were trying to draw in the ocean.

    • Anon

      It is wild (and thank you for all memes).

      I studied the Panama Canal in depth in middle school and feel like we had such an excellent teacher that I remember it all quite well (Gorgas, Walter Reed, mosquitos, how the US got Panama to break off from Colombia, how they didn’t use Nicaragua even though Nicaragua is largely flat, etc., etc.). I really want to visit and possibly sail through it at some point in my life (my dad worked in logistics, so I will like it on many levels, I suspect).

      I didn’t study the Suez Canal in depth like that, but I’d love to see it, too. I will avoid the horn of Africa after watching Captain Philips.

      If you ever stay on one side of Bald Head Island, you can see the large container ships come past it to Wilmington, which to me is just amazing to watch. They all have the escape pod like in Captain Philips — I never really noticed that until after the movie came out.

      • Coach Laura

        My husband’s grandfather was on the first battleship (USS Ohio along with USS Missouri and USS Wisconsin) to go through the canal on 7/15/1915. He has a certificate that he framed and kept. I would love to have seen how it looked back then.

      • Anon

        I went to Panama last year and there is a restaurant on the Canal with outdoor tables right at one of the locks so you can watch the ships pass through. It was fascinating! Pro-tip though: make sure you have UBER on your phone because the taxis stop going out to the Canal at a time that is earlier than when the restaurant closes. We were stranded for awhile (even though the restaurant tried to call taxis for us) and our hotel said none go out there that late. On a whim, I connected to the public wifi, downloaded Uber and got us a car with an amazing driver that gave us lots of tips for non-touristy places to see over the rest of our stay.

    • MagicUnicorn

      I personally find the images so absurd I cannot help but laugh.

      At the same time I get the impression that this is probably causing fallout I don’t understand and hurting people who can’t afford it but are too invisible to make the headlines. Perhaps this is a prime time to rethink the first world’s expectations that things happen immediately and don’t take any time or effort beyond entering our payment info online? That its pretty awful how we depend on people living and working in poverty across the world to support and supply our lifestyles of convenience and ease? I don’t really know what to do with those thoughts, other than to consider my own actions.

      • Anonymous

        Stop purchasing an from Amazon and Walmart is a good start! Living zero waste and thrifting are really impactful options too. Sure it may be a lifestyle adjustment, and you may need to learn to live with the discomfort of not having instant gratification, but it’s a fulfilling way to live knowing you aren’t part of the problem.

        • Anon

          I feel like thrifting alone isn’t enough to have no negative impact though. Hot water showers — not zero impact. I’m not kidding myself that virtue shopping is the path to salvation. Everything I do is a problem. Driving around to thrift stores looking for gently used camping equipment and a prom dress is a problem b/c it’s driving. And camping will involve driving. And the tent is nylon. IDK what the prom dress is — something that would give off toxic fumes if burned. Our dog has an environmental impact. Apparently we can’t all convert to electric cars b/c the grid can’t support it (and then there’d be the junking of old cars).

          • Anonymous

            That’s a logical fallacy. Just because it’s not perfect doesn’t mean it isn’t an improvement and worth doing. If you aren’t interested in being better that’s fine, but don’t try and discourage others.

          • MagicUnicorn

            I go down this thought path, too, but I feel like doing *something* is better than doing nothing, even if it is more effective at normalizing the idea of lifestyle changes for my immediate circle of influence than it is at directly impacting the global climate.

            We are definitely not at true zero waste levels but our household does lean heavily that direction. We reuse glass jars, try to avoid single-use plastics, minimize our food waste, cook at home, are happy with thrifted clothes (although more through Poshmark than locally, which does involve shipping), etc. No Walmart shopping, although the pandemic has made us resort to Amazon for some things (but we did cancel Prime a couple of years ago and have not missed it). We do depend heavily on home delivery for nearly everything right now because of the pandemic, but I try to pick the slowest shipping option available (which has the nice benefit of usually being the cheapest).

          • No Face

            Having no impact whatsoever is not possible. Everything has a tradeoff. Lifestyle changes aren’t pointless or futile though.

          • Anon

            I feel like saying “thrifting” will work if you are a standard size and need casual clothes, but if you are above a size 10 or need traditional workwear, that isn’t realistic. I used to work at a thrift store and we got a lot in size 2-4 and then 6-8, so those women had a lot of options, but really just for stuff that is casual or not current. If you were larger and needed an interview suit for your first job, you were likely SOL. Maternity clothes are good thrifted. But it really does not work for everything and especially doesn’t work if you are a man — good Carhart or Duluth is worn out, not given to goodwill after a year like so much women’s clothing is.

          • NYNY

            My sister works in sustainability and once told me something that really stuck: there’s a hierarchy to the mantra “reduce, reuse, recycle.” Not buying stuff is the most eco-friendly option of the three, and recycling materials is the least. So making do with what you have > thrifting > buying new and recycling the old. And each of those options is better than buying new and tossing the old.

          • Anon

            Just because thrifting doesn’t work for every single person every single time, doesn’t mean it’s not a good idea.

      • Ribena

        Appropriately enough I saw one of the memes with the ship labelled ‘structural problems’ and the digger labelled ‘individual behaviour changes.’

        A big way you can make a difference is with how you vote – especially if you weren’t always voting in low level elections. For many of the women on this board, you may also be able to make a difference by shifting the Overton window in your work related conversations – Eg I always talk about long term prosperity rather than long term growth.

    • Anonymous

      The Atlantic had a really funny article on it this morning. It was really well done. Something about a big a** boat

  8. Anon

    This seems like an Immigration Law comprehensive and Tax Law final, but how does Prince Harry get to work in the U.S.? He is married to a citizen, but does that mean he has gotten a green card? A green card holder or person in the US 183 days/year is taxed in the U.S. on their worldwide income (IIRC, the Dukedom throws off some $ that would be treated as income in the US; gifts from family would not be taxable; IDK re who picks up security detail expenses and if taxed as a gift, would be taxed to the donor and not the donee)(and possibly still subject to tax in the home country, but you’d use treaty provisions to avoid double-taxation).

    I feel like this unique situation is good for trying to think about real-world applications that make you remember not just the rules, but the exceptions to the rules. OTOH, as a litigator this is all a bit foggy and in the distant past.

    • Alice

      I’ve been so curious about this, but I’m not a lawyer at all, so looking forward to finding out!

      • Anon

        Surely some 2L is writing a journal article on it as we speak. And unlike most journal articles, it may actually get read.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t really care, but it does seem an awful lot like one of the silly fact patterns some law professors come up with in an attempt at humor.

    • anon

      Even without being married to a citizen, now that he has employment there are several visa pathways open to him. For most white Europeans it’s not that difficult to get a suitable work permit in the US.

      • Anon

        Yeah, your employer just has to certify that your talents are so unique that no American can do the job, or something like that, right? I’m sure Prince Harry’s employer would do that. My husband is a professor and has had several white European postdocs and it was NBD for them to get visas that permitted them to work here, even with no prior connection to the states.

        • Anonymous

          Is he actually anyone’s employee, though? I don’t think the Netflix deal and other enterprises he’s involved in are W2 gigs.

        • Cat

          I am kind of cracking up at the thought that no American man could possibly fill the very important spokesman job that Harry is doing. (Using all the titles and trappings of the institution he says he can’t stand.)

          • Anon

            The people filling out forms do know of the outsized confidence of minimally-abled Americans: I CAN do that! Have these people not talked to men? They apply for jobs like they can do anything (and are often given the chance and do a well-enough job to get promoted). Did they just talk to women with imposter syndrome?

      • Anon

        Someone fills out a form saying “no American can do this work”? I feel like I wouldn’t be comfortable stating that as a factual matter (I have not surveyed every American) — is it not under penalty of perjury? I feel like with my luck, I’d be the person audited over this and go to jail or something (and I suspect it’s some rando in HR that is charged with making this statement, not some CEO). I forget how many people live in the US (north of 300M, but not all are working aged), but that seems to be a bit of a reach as a general statement.

        I know artists and performers (so, some professional sportsball players and people like Mick Jagger) have different rules but IMO that makes sense (more for the artists — if the Stones replaced Mick, it would not be the same; sportsball teams have players moving around all the time).

        • anon for this

          What you’re thinking of is the skilled worker H1B visa (tech firms rely on it), and as far as I know, the meployer (I am leaving this typo because it looks so cute) just needs to document that they recruited openly and the foreigner was the best applicant for the job and that your search profile was appropriate for the job. There are some more bureaucratic details but you don’t have to make an impossible claim about the entire population.

          The special visa for aliens ‘who possesses extraordinary ability’ in a certain field, can be acquired very rapidly for a hefty fee, and was known as Einstein visa before it became associated with Melania Trump’s extraordinary abilities. Proving extraordinary abilities really depends on the field of course – winning prizes or competitions, I’m imagining being on the cover of a magazine counts, so why not being a royal?

          But he can probably just apply for a green card, and wont even get weird questions to provide evidence that theirs is not a sham marriage!

          • Anon

            I’m an actuary. Employers fill out H1Bs for talent coming from mostly Asia without a second thought. I believe the same has been true in the Silicon Valley.

          • Seventh Sister

            My brother in law had one of these visas! When he told me the name of it, I said, “does that mean you can see through walls?” He’s a professional dancer (not a recognizable name but you’ve probably heard of some of things he’s danced in). He got citizenship a few years ago.

    • anon

      I don’t know the answers, but it makes me happy to know that there’s a niche legal practice in U.S. immigration/tax law for foreign royals or aristocrats living in the U.S.

      • Anon

        As a tax lawyer in a different microscopic and nerdy niche, it seems entirely plausible to me that this niche exists and that I probably have colleagues who handle this issue ha!

    • Seventh Sister

      If there isn’t some kind of “special relationship” quasi-diplomatic situation that applies, he could certainly get a green card on the basis of having a spouse who is a US citizen. He also might have an investor visa for their foundation or maybe that $$$ house is somehow a farm?

      Honestly, I do not think about them very much. I definitely spend more time thinking about Tilda Swinton or Justin Peck (the ballet choreographer). They seem like nice enough young people who managed to get out of an overly rigid family business and I wish them every happiness.

  9. Monday

    Fun book recommendation: One To Watch. All hell breaks loose when a plus-size fashion blogger stars on The (fictionalized) Bachelorette!

      • Ribena

        I have read both of these and probably enjoyed Spoiler Alert marginally more – very much worth reading!!

      • anne-on

        +2 it was very cute, I also liked Spoiler Alert better. Also – the new Talia Hibbert Brown sister book is out and is great!

    • Anon

      Thank you! I just put it on hold at the library.

      On my walk this morning I finished The Vanishing Half and LOVED IT. I know I’m way behind on that one, but here’s a push in case anyone is considering it.

  10. pugsnbourbon

    Has anyone else had issues with ordering furniture from Joybird?

    I think I’m SOL, but it’s been a little ridiculous. When we ordered at the end of December our estimated delivery was mid-March. Okay, there’s a pandemic and it’s handmade, we can wait. Now it’s finished and shipped but it will have to sit in their “shipping hub” for a month (?!?!) before it can get to us. I’m trying to gauge if this is normal for Joybird and caveat emptor.

    • Veronica Mars

      Normal for every furniture company in the US. Basically every single part of the supply chain has been impacted, including the final mile delivery. Plus the ice storms in Texas caused foam shortage. My couch from November still hasn’t made it to us, and we had an early March estimate before the storms hit.

      • anne-on

        Thank you for this! We are waiting on a sofa and they informed me there are ‘foam shortages’ and I could not understand why. All furniture is just crazy backed up right now it seems.

    • Anon

      My friend had a very similar experience with shipping from Joybird. Her couch looks great now but she was pissed about the delivery time and communications from the company.

    • No Face

      I know one person who ordered from Joybird years ago, and it took forever to get the couch.

    • Anon

      We just got 2 couches from Joybird last fall. They were a few weeks to a month later than they were initially supposed to get here. But we do love them.
      Shipping and the port situation (not even having anything to do with the Suez canal!) is a MESS right now and I would not hold this against Joybird. Like, a bigger mess than it was even in the Fall when we ordered. It is a mess for all products, but I believe especially large items like furniture. It may be something like they simply can’t get a container to do the final part of the shipping, for example. That would be true of anyone. We ordered a bunch of furniture last fall from many brands, all were weeks to months delayed regardless of brand. Joybird was actually one of the least delays we had.
      Sorry, probably not what you want to hear.

    • shanananana

      It is very dependent on your local delivery hub. I had a joybird couch ordered in early october delivered 8 weeks to the day it was ordered, but my local hub was in push everything out mode.

    • pugsnbourbon

      Yeah, that makes sense and ultimately another month isn’t going to be that bad (our old couch is grody tho). Thanks for sharing your experiences, all.

    • Anon

      Yes it was a mess. A previous joybird couch broke so they were replacing it (that’s the good part) but they were unable to get straight with the contracted freight company that they needed to BOTH pick up the old and drop off the new. That’s sort of understandable but what was unworkable was that Joybird apparently does not staff their call center, you can only leave a voicemail, so we could not deal with the issue in the moment by getting the delivery co and joybird on a call together. Took three tries and was very frustrating.

      In contrast we bought a piece of furniture from Havertys a few weeks later and had a seamless experience.

    • Anonymous

      We ordered a sofa from WestElm in 2018 and it took 5 months to be delivered. Similar experience ordering an armchair from Pottery Barn in 2020. Even before the pandemic, many furniture companies were stretching out the “6-8 weeks” timeframe for months.

  11. Anon

    I read that Rutgers is going to require the vaccine for students in the fall, with exemptions for immunocompromised people who can’t get it and religious exemptions. What religion prohibits vaccines? I know there are some that prohibit blood transfusions. What do you have to show to claim a religious exemption?

    • Anon

      I dunno, Christian Scientists or something? They probably have already had the exact same policy in place for flu shots. Mandatory vaccinations aren’t new.

    • Anon

      Scientology (depends on if you count that as an actual religion)
      Some Amish communities
      Some very small Christian churches: Church of the First Born, End Time Ministries, Faith Assembly, Faith Tabernacle, and First Century Gospel Church.
      Some Dutch reformed churches
      Some Muslim fundamentalists

    • anon

      It’s my understanding Christian Scientists don’t partake in most or any type of medical intervention or procedures, including vaccines.

    • anonshmanon

      There were some Catholic bishops this year that opposed it because of the involvement of stem cells. The Pope issued a statement in the same week arguing for vaccines though.

    • Z

      The pope said to avoid the J&J vaccine, something about aborted fetal cells? But moderna and pfizer are apparently fine.

      • Aunt Jamesina

        Some bishops and other Catholic leaders have said this, but the Pope has said that Catholics have an ethical obligation to get vaccinated. J&J used fetal cells in the development of the vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used them in their testing. The Vatican actually offered the Pfizer vaccine to all of its citizens.

    • Seventh Sister

      Jehovah’s Witnesses used to oppose vaccines, but do not do that anymore. Some orthodox Jews will not take certain vaccines, though that is more community-based (e.g., our leader said we don’t take that) as opposed to an out-and-out ban.

      You also have some people (mostly evangelical Christians) who won’t take particular vaccines because of their derivation or because of some “mark of the Beast” belief.

      • Anon

        Coincidentally my husband and I got handwritten mail today from a JW sister we don’t know that seems to suggest we should just pray the COVID away.

    • MagicUnicorn

      Some evangelical/fundamentalist Christians claim moral objections to vaccines developed from lines that originated with embryonic stem cell research. It seems like the equivalent of saying that all water on earth is full of dinosaur pee, but my family members in that camp definitely have been conditioned to equate vaccines with abortion.

    • Anon

      Wasn’t the Pope saying Catholics should avoid one of the vaccines because the cell line was derived from an aborted fetus from the 70’s? I guess Catholics could get one of the other available vaccines but the whole discussion was absurd to me. Even if you are the most pro-life person on the planet, wouldn’t you want some good to come from what you considered a murder? Like if I get murdered, please donate my organs/my body to science. Don’t say you can use my parts because I was murdered.

    • all about eevee

      I have also heard some people say they have a religious objection to vaccines because their body is a temple and they will not desecrate the temple with a vaccine. Or that they put their faith in the idea that because of their belief in God, they will be healed from the coronavirus or the flu, and that if for some reason they were to die, that would be God’s will. They want to put their life entirely into their God’s hands.

    • Anon

      My university (not Rutgers) is planning to do the same in the fall and basically just allows you to sign a form saying you don’t believe in vaccines, so I doubt this policy will deter any hardc*re anti-vaxxers. But I do think it will encourage a lot of ambivalent people (“eh, I’m young and healthy, I don’t need a vaccine” etc) to get it. From surveys it seems like the really anti-vax people are limited to maybe 15-20% of the population, so getting everyone else on board is probably good enough for herd immunity especially if you’re talking about a university campus where everyone is 16+ and eligible for vaccination.

  12. Anon

    The comment on electric cars above got me thinking. What IS the plan for all of our existing gas-powered vehicles? Is there some mass retrofit being contemplated or will they all go to the scrapheap? Will they simply flood the third world and replace their “dirtier” older vehicles? What about people who can’t afford a car payment and have a paid off gas vehicle? Will driving a gas vehicle become a declaration that your finances are tight?

    • Anon

      I don’t see the electric car comment above, but despite the splashy headlines electric cars are still a tiny portion of the total number of cars that exist in the US, and will likely remain a very small portion even with high growth for a decade or more. So old gas cars will probably be scrapped at normal rates and simply just replaced over time with a gradually increasing portion of EVs.

      • nona

        +1 – this will be gradual and happen as replacements are needed and options become more available, understood and accepted. Whether to buy electric or gas will become (or already is) just another factor in the calculation that people make when buying a vehicle. And then the rest of the marketplace will respond to the increase/decrease in a way that works for it.

        This is something you can forecast and hypothesize on, but not really something where there’s a “plan” – there are too many moving parts. At most, the gov’t could maybe incentivize things to go a certain direction, but mostly it happens because car manufacturers stopping sell gas vehicle and only sell EVs.

        • Anon

          Yes. And just to add to this, there is a significant difference to how many cars are sold in the US in any given year, and how many cars exist in the US. There are close to 300 mm cars in the US. On average, only about 16? 17? mm cars get sold in any given year, depending on the year.

          So even if all manufacturers stopped selling gas vehicles tomorrow, and only sold EVs, it would still take well over a decade for a complete replacement to happen. (And I feel confident in saying that clearly this is a scenario that is not going to happen).

      • No Face

        Agreed. I want my next car to be all electric, but I plan to drive my current one for the next decade. When that decade is up, someone will be it used for very cheap or it will be scrapped, just like any other old car.

        • anonshmanon

          same. I looked at hybrids when buying my last car, but they were all so big. I hope that next time I buy a car is at least 5 years from now, and there will be an electric compact that fits my needs.
          To give you an idea of the scale, one study that was recently published determined that among other changes, we’d need to achieve that 50% the of vehicles sold to be electric (or hydrogen fuel cell, which is also zero emission) by 2030 to help with a net zero goal by 2050. One the one hand, given current share and past growth, this is mathematically possible. On the other hand, electric cars make up 2% of sales today, so in order to sustain 40% annual growth of this share, some consumer incentives will surely be needed.
          https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2021/01/27/getting-to-net-zero-and-even-net-negative-is-surprisingly-feasible-and-affordable/

    • Anonymous

      We definitely want to get an electric car when our 2013 Subaru kicks the bucket, but it won’t be for a while. I don’t want to “throw away” this perfectly good car, but it could last another 5-10 years and I expect electric technology to improve by leaps and bounds by then. We’ll have to see what makes the most sense at the time.

      • Z

        This is my plan with my 2011 Toyota. 10 years old and less than 100k miles on it, I expect to have it at least 5 more years and then will probably get a hybrid or electric.

      • Anon

        That’s not entirely fair. The “cash for clunkers” program in 2009 was definitely a government plan, that had the purpose of moving Americans towards better fuel efficient cars and specifically said the old cars had to be scrapped. So if OP is looking for a specific answer to if there is a plan, I don’t think there is one in place now but there has been some in the past. Just not ones that were the magnitude to create the scenario she is hypothesizing.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Allowance_Rebate_System

      • Anonymous

        So cool we have a Government EV policy expert on our board to conclusively comment on this issue with insider authority!

        • Anon

          ….is this directed at me? Anon at 11:43 a.m.? If so, what? I’m just defending OP against what was a bit of a dismissive comment towards her, when in fact we have had some level of “plans” before. Jeez.

          • Anonymous

            Yes it was directed at you because you literally have no idea what’s going on behind closed doors but felt confident enough to assert your expertise

    • Anon

      The trouble with electric vehicles as they exist now is that they aren’t the sort of thing that can become hand-me-down beaters. You can’t watch youtube videos to learn to fix your electric car, or take it to “your guy” who can fix it for cheap. You can’t get aftermarket parts. Software is proprietary and not something that can be fixed at home.
      For that reason, the folks who need a beater to get to their $10/hr job aren’t going to buy electric cars, even if the price point for buying one came down to almost nothing.
      I can fix an early 2000’s Honda or Ford F-150 from parts available at any podunk parts store if I needed to. Hell, I can keep my 40 year old Mercedes on the road that way, but I have to order parts online. Unless or until you can replicate that in an EV, those of us in the lower rungs of the economy aren’t going to chance our limited funds on EV upkeep.

      • Anon

        unless you live in sacramento california, where doing your own auto repairs is a literal crime.

      • Anon

        My experience of electric cars is that they cost very little in upkeep and fuel.

        My family’s EVs have required shockingly little upkeep. There’s no oil, so no regular oil changes to schedule and pay for. There have been a few minor issues covered under warranty, but they just haven’t needed repairs like our old gas cars needed.

        Also, fuel is cheaper.

      • Aunt Jamesina

        So my husband is a Car Guy and does a lot of work himself on our cars for fun. This issue has been happening more and more even with cars that run on gasoline, as more parts are computerized and/or require special tools to work on. Even changing oil is far more involved in modern cars than it used to be. I think the auto industry is moving more this way, whether cars are electric or not.

        • Anon

          Right, but my point is that there’s a whole other world of people who need transportation and DIY is the only option. The car-driving world looks a lot different outside of states with strict emissions and inspection laws coupled with no viable public transportation and where low-wage jobs are the norm. Hell, I swapped out my starter in the grocery store parking lot once so I could get home from work.
          People will be keeping these old cars on the road out of necessity for a long, long time.

      • Anon 2.0

        Agreed. I am very concerned about the potential negative effects of electric vehicles on the poor and working class. I feel like that issue is missing from the discussion. Not only is the price tag an issue, the upkeep required and lack of affordability of fixing electric vehicles are great concerns. Also, what happens when the power goes out, like recently in TX? I will not be purchasing an electric vehicle until I have no other choice. I care about the environment but I care more about people having access to affordable transportation.

        • Jeffiner

          I live in Texas and have an EV. During Hurricane Harvey there was a panic and run on gas stations, and people with gas cars couldn’t refuel for a weekend. During Snovid, we obviously couldn’t recharge our EV, but people with gas cars were also in trouble. Gas stations needed electricity to operate, and the ones that had power ran out of gas. All in all, I still prefer having the EV over the gas car, but I do have the added benefit of solar panels on my roof to generate power.

          I am with you on the concerns about EVs and the poor and working class. Hand me down cars and beaters kept running through a lot of home maintenance were a way of life for my parents.

    • Anon

      The other issue is you need charging stations. I live somewhere rural. There’s a charging station about 30 miles north of me but then there are another 500+ miles north of that with no charging station. If I wanted to drive to the Northern most point in my state and back, not sure I could do that with an electric car with the current charging options.

      • anonshmanon

        Just like the thrifting discussion above, this doesn’t need to be an all or nothing thing. It’s now estimated that over 80% of the US lives in densely populated areas. If even just half of those people switched to electric cars, it would be more than enough to meet emission targets.
        Fuel cell technology is another option that is more similar to gas in many aspect.

    • Anon

      Are people not getting hybrids anymore? I feel like that is the best of both worlds — the gas is a blessing if you live in or go to rural areas and for city driving, the regenerative breaking keeps the MPG low and uses less gas. The Civic Hybrid is very roomy as designed (like the Prius, but I’ve never had one of those) and yet small in footprint.

      I would not want an all-electric car (for one: nowhere to charge it since I have to park on the street). Some fancy new buildings have charging stations, but you can only park there for a couple of hours and then have to move your car, which would be a PITA in an urban area where driving around to find a spot can be a great time kill.

      • Anonymous

        My parents compromised on this and got a hybrid Corolla last year, which they both love! They bought the new hybrid car to replace the 20 year old CRV (which was actually gifted to a relative who needed a car but couldn’t afford one). My parents compromised for a hybrid because Dad is a HUGE techie and would have gotten an all electric car (*coughTeslacough*) but Mom wasn’t entirely on that train since there isn’t enough infrastructure for charging up for long drives.

        I currently drive a gasoline powered car but I’m thinking in 5-10 years when I’m getting my next car I’ll most likely go hybrid.

      • Anon

        My last workplace in the Before Times was in the burbs so not easily accessible by public transit (for instance, commuting there from my more urban home took 20-40 minutes depending on traffic – the most efficient transit route took 1.5 hours)

        They had a multilevel parking garage and electric charging stations on the first floor. Many charging stations – maybe 50-75? And they were gone by 8AM. People parked there all day. My friend who had an electric vehicle was super frustrated, because our work hours started at 9 and he didn’t want to have to come in an hour+ early just to charge his car. I always saw electric cars there that weren’t even hooked up to the chargers – the drivers just apparently wanted to use the fact that they owned an electric car to park on the first floor.

        It’s not all figured out yet, but charger etiquette is going to become a real thing.

    • CB

      The sale of new gas vehicles will end in the UK in 2030. We have a 4 year old civic and our plan is to reduce driving as much as possible and keep it until maintenance gets too expensive. The ranges for EV are going up and the prices are going down, but electric vehicles are still pretty out of reach for ordinary families. We looked and something big enough for a car seat / to put bikes on top (versus the cute but tiny Renault) was just too pricey when we already had a car.

  13. AnonyMich

    Just received a $250 Target gift card and planning to spend some on skin care. I am out of everything I’ve been using (Beautycounter) and recently picked up Cerave cleanser in the mean time. I don’t really have a regular skincare routine outside of cleanse + moisturize + SPF + eye cream when I remember it. Any recs on moisturizers (day or night), eye creams or serums? Would gladly accept recs with SPF and/or anti-aging properties. Late 30s, dry skin.

    • AnonATL

      I like the No 7 line at target. I use their Youthful Replenishing Oil at night, and it seems to improve my skin. Neutrogena hydroboost is pretty good. And everything I’ve tried from Aveeno has been good.

    • Anon

      I’m a big fan of Cerave Moisturizing Cream (in the tub), alternatively their PM lotion is not as thick but really nice. You can wear it in the day time, just need additional SPF. Also, Cerave healing ointment is great for “slugging” at night (you put a thin layer all over your face). Do you double cleanse? Ponds Cold Cream is great as a first cleanser, I follow that with Cerave hydrating cleanser. Also I read that Timeless products are now sold at Target? If that’s true, their vitamin C serum is one of the best I’ve ever tried.

      • AnonyMich

        Huh, I have never heard of slugging! How much of the ointment do you put on? I have hesitated on doing something similar because I sleep on my stomach for the most part and don’t want to smear my pillow with gunk.

        • Z

          Just enough for a thin layer over the areas you think need it. I personally use Aquaphor around my nose and cheeks. Also a stomach sleeper, I sometimes put a clean t-shirt over my pillow and pillowcase when I do this so I don’t get it all over the pillow.

        • Anon

          I slug with Aquaphor (another great use for that gift card because Aquaphor is good for so many things) when I have dry patches. I love it.

      • AnonyMich

        Also, I do not double cleanse because I rarely wear makeup (even in The Before Times). Is there another purpose for doing so besides cosmetic removal?

        • Anonymous

          Removing sunscreen, which I wear every day. + reapply (and like you most days I wear no makeup). I oil cleanse to get the sunscreen off then use a gentle cleanser.

    • Pompom

      A friend just gave me a sample of SuperGoop’s unseen screen and it was lush and lovely enough to become a daily moisturizer with SPF 40 for me.

    • Seafinch

      I have heard amazing reviews of Three Ships if you like natural (like Beauty Counter). I am trying it when my current supply runs out.

    • Anon 2.0

      I am really loving the Neutrogeno Hydro Boost products right now. They feel really good on my face and don’t have any strong smells. FWIW, I am 30, normal skin type not prone to breakouts so it might not cut it if you need something more specialized.

      • Anon

        +1 for the Neutrogena hydroboost line. I’m a skincare junkie and I think this one is better than the CeraVe. Get the moisturizer for extra dry skin – it doesn’t contain potential irritants like fragrance.

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