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For busy working women, the suit is often the easiest outfit to throw on in the morning. In general, this feature is not about interview suits for women, which should be as classic and basic as you get — instead, this feature is about the slightly different suit that is fashionable, yet professional. Also: we just updated our big roundup for the best women's suits of 2023!
I love the pretty color on this pants suit from White House | Black Market, as well as the comfortable, unstructured vibe to the blazer. (It's also machine washable!)
As they note on the product page, “Our work uniform has changed a lot in the last two-years, a more relaxed vibe has taken centerstage. Our slip-on blazer fits the current mood. It still has the classic collar but instead of buttons it has a self-belt.”
Nice! If you're not a fan of the self-belt, the brand has a TON of things in this color, including a faux suede double-breasted blazer. (I haven't seen a double-breasted blazer styled with a midi dress like this before, but I'm not mad about it — it's a really pulled together look.)
The pictured blazer and wide-leg pants are $99-$185, available in sizes 00-18; the pants come in three lengths. (They both come in basic black, as well.)
Sales of note for 9.30.24
- Nordstrom – Beauty deals through September
- Ann Taylor – Extra 30% off sale
- Banana Republic Factory – 50% off everything + extra 20% off
- Boden – 15% off new styles
- Eloquii – Extra 50% off sale
- J.Crew – 50% off select styles
- J.Crew Factory – Up to 60% off everything + 50% off sale with code
- Lo & Sons – Warehouse sale, up to 70% off
- M.M.LaFleur – Save 25% sitewide
- Neiman Marcus – Friends & Family 25% off
- Rag & Bone – Friends & Family 25% off sitewide
- Spanx – Lots of workwear on sale, some up to 70% off
- Talbots – Fall Cyber Monday sale, 40% off sitewide and $5 shipping
- Target – Car-seat trade-in event through 9/28 — bring in an old car seat to get a 20% discount on other baby/toddler stuff.
- White House Black Market – 40% off select styles
Cat
The grammar that WHBM used in that product description makes my head hurt. Yikes.
I like the look in theory but in practice, it always goes bathrobe on me.
Anon
I know, right!? Why-so many-hyphens!?
Anon
Outsourced the marketing copy to the third world non-English speakers that manufactured the polyester bathrobe they’re calling business attire.
Anonymous
Or ChatGPT.
Anon
No, ChatGPT would be grammatical, just incoherent. Grammar is one of the easiest things for an AI to do (there have been AI grammar checkers since at least the early 2000s, if not earlier).
Anon
ChatGPT has better grammar than this!
It stands out to me because I used to think of retail product descriptions as a hold out for editorial standards even when journalism was really slipping.
anon
Same on both counts. The description is horrendous, and the color/style is lovely but would not look like that on me.
Anonymous
If this were white, it would look very much like the dobok my kid wore to tae kwon do when they were 7…
Anon
I recently had to correct the grammar of a technical writer I’m working with!!!
Runcible Spoon
Notwithstanding everyone else’s comments so far, this look seemed a bit intriguing, but the no-waistband trousers are a show-stopper for me. I need to be able to cinch a waist, not pray slacks will stay up!
No Face
Meanwhile the pants are my favorite part! I am always on the hunt for pants without a waistband. Team thick waist for life over here.
Anonymous
A ‘slip on blazer’ (I mean, is there any other kind?) with a ‘self-belt (so…does the belt tie itself?)
It reads more ‘bathrobe trying really hard to be a blazer’ to me, lol
Explorette
Haha! Yeah these are weird word choices.
Anon
“self-belt” is an old term from sewing patterns, just means a belt made from the same fabric as the main piece.
Anonymous
Yes, I know.
I forgot how poorly humor translates to text…
Anon
Oh man the colour of this is great! But it would also probably look like a bathrobe on me. I want to add some purple to my wardrobe now though…
Anonymous
This is cute in theory but in practice it would just be a sweaty poly robe. Why can’t companies make clothing out of nice materials?! *sigh*
Anonymous
More like why can’t companies make *women’s* clothing out of nice materials. The men in my life have no problem finding business attire made of nice materials at this price point.
Anon
If we were buying for the next 10 years and weren’t addicted to very low prices and constant style churn, maybe they would? But we don’t demand quality when we also demand low prices. I don’t think you get to have it both ways. 50-100 years ago, you made a dress and re-made it as sizes and styles changed. What fabric could tolerate that now? Or what budget could pay for that skilled labor (because people generally don’t sew and if they do, don’t sew that well)?
Good, quality wood furniture is destined for the trash b/c it’s of an older style and no one is crafty enough to refurbish things. People won’t even burn it in the fire place, which IMO is better than the dump.
OP
It was mostly a rant into the void. For both labour and environmental reasons I don’t actually purchase any new consumer goods (except under garments). I have a whole wardrobe of thrifted clothes and home of antique furniture.
Anonymous
Her points stand, though, and this is something I think many women habe ranted about…
When it comes to clothing, because women collectively have wanted variety and low prices, we now have a ‘be careful what you wish for’ scenario and have low quality to go along with it.
Anon
The 2:46 PM comment stands. Men’s clothing is higher quality and current styles at the same prices.
Anon
Well, they aren’t constantly cutting new patterns for them. And I think they just use the same fabrics year after year, so they may get better pricing vs women’s clothing needing scuba fabric one year, etc. And men’s clothes are constant, year over year, season over season vs women’s brands have constant “drops” of new items in different colors, fabrics, and fabric weights. It seems like the margin on men’s clothing would always be consistently better (e.g., tuxedos are constant, women’s formalwear is a constant churn — you may sell more, but lower quality b/c it’s not like women have an unlimited budget). IDK what the answer is, but this is why my mom sewed and things have not gotten better with what is on offer.
Anonymous
My answer has been to buy second hand, wear the pieces for years, and save for the nicer stuff. I also have no problem walking over to the men’s department, lol.
Anonymous
And men’s clothing is so easy to find! The last time I bought a new suit, I went to every department store in my town and could not find a women’s suit in a nice material.But the men’s department in every store was filled with suits!
Anon
I don’t think you can give a men’s suit away right now. My husband is 2 sizes away from one fitting, a funeral is looming, and he is . . . full of hope and woo that his old (very high quality suit) is going to work out this time.
But yes — at my J Crew, they don’t stock suits. Many other appropriate bits of workwear (and 75% non-work items) though. From them and Talbots, you have to order and hope (I need to try on 3-6 sizes b/c I’m cusp petite and a pear to maybe get items that work in any given cut) and plan on dealing with returns.
Anonymous
Really expensive women’s clothes are also made of synthetic fabrics and are often poorly constructed. It’s not just fast fashion.
Anon
Yes – I always look up what Kate, the Princess of Wales, is wearing and a lot of times she’s in a rayon dress or whatever that costs $3000. It’s nuts.
Anon
This week’s Splurge dress was acetate/polyester.
Anonymous
True.
This is why I’m more concerned about construction and fabric content than I am the name on the label.
Anon
Amen.
Anonymous
There are literally dozens of furniture refurbishers on Instagram/Tik Tok who are doing amazing things to repurpose older furniture! Even older style items can be made to look new by removing dated legs or trim-I think there is a lot of good quality, wood furniture that is being picked up from curbs or Facebook Marketplace and upcycled.
Anonymous
I wish I could find one of those people in real life. We have this 19th century china cabinet that’s from various ancestors and it needs refurbishing and I CANNOT find a person in real life to do the work.
Anon
I absolutely refuse to buy poly anymore.
Anonymous
Same.
Even second hand I will check the fabric content label. I will willingly pay dry cleaning bills if it means better quality fabrics.
Anonymous
+1
Give me wool for suiting.
Anon
Me too.
Anon
Since we’ve talked about probate a lot, for those of you who have gone through it, especially if you are out of state to the person who died, what were the most helpful things to you (and things that took the most time / caused the most issues)? This is on the horizon for our family (there will be a surviving spouse for that, possibly making things easier) but I need to get my own house in order (with clutter and also any documentation / executor picking / etc.).
Anon
I first read this as “Especially if you are the out of state person who died” and was thinking, they’re probably not going to be posting about it :-)
In all seriousness, I need to do the same.
Anon
so i haven’t been through it yet exactly as my father is still alive, though my mom has passed away. but he is SO organized. i have the name and contact info for his attorney and financial advsior. i have a copy of his will. i have a copy of a list of every single account of his (and i mean every – from bank accounts to his southwest airlines account to bloomingdales) with passwords. my parents purchased plots and prepaid the expenses. the thing that will probably cause the most issues is the division of responsibility between my sister and i finding the time to deal with all the paperwork and dealing with the house. he is slowly going through the house to eliminate some of the clutter, though i know there will be a lot to go through when the time comes, which i hope is not for some time! he turns 74 in two weeks and is (knock on wood) healthy and i hope he stays that way. while DH and I love to tease him about it, I am also very grateful he has taken so many steps.
Anon
I wonder about that with the account and PW listings — so many ways for that to bite you (untrustable caregivers, cousin with a drug habit, etc.) with financial elder abuse. We keep some paper account records just so people know “I have life insurance from here” and “mutual fund at this place” because I like to think no one needs to get them without an exeucutor’s commission once I die (and yet I know: I could easily become disabled, mentally, before then and a trustable durable power of attorney person would need to access those funds to make sure I’m in the nice adult diapers and that they are changed regularly, that my property taxes are paid, that my tax returns get filed, that the power stays on or gets shut off, etc.).
Anon
It doesn’t sound like he’s giving his list of passwords out to anyone and everyone.
Anon
But it exists in physical form and it is like having a sticky on your desk with your PW on it, no?
Anonymous
It vastly different from a desk with a PW stick on it. I presume the poster is smart enough to keep it locked in a fireproof safe or locked filing cabinet at home or whatever. If only her dad and herself know she has it and it is not displayed, risk is minimal compared to convenience.
Explorette
Triple check all beneficiary designations. Retirement accounts that get paid to an estate are difficult. Make sure the original will is easily located. In my state, this means the difference between informal and formal probate. Pick an executor that knows how to and can handle doing things like preparing accountings and inventories, working with the attorney, following the terms of the will, etc.
been there
I’m so sorry for what you’re going through. It’s really hard to deal with all the practical estate stuff while also grieving while also trying to keep up with your usual responsibilities.
If the person who is going to die is still alive and competent, get them to a qualified trusts and estates lawyer. The whole thing is a million times easier and cheaper with good planning and it’s possible to entirely avoid probate with good guidance on trusts. Make sure to tie down all the major details, including pieces that don’t require the lawyer like transfer on death/payable on death forms with financial institutions. Close accounts that aren’t needed–each financial institution that needs to be contacted is one more place with possible friction and mess-ups on the part of the institution.
For me, it was really helpful to view hiring help as necessary, not as an option or luxury. In particular, I was glad to a) hire a specialized firm to clean out the hoarded house and b) hire a trusts and estates lawyer to handle probate. Also, getting grief counseling was helpful and I should have started sooner, probably while in the throws of managing care from across the country.
Josie P
My solution is to put all my clients’ assets into trusts or other vehicles so you do NOT have to go through probate. :) Source: am a T&E attorney
Anon
Yes, although you have to marshall everything and retitle it to get it into the trust. Which I should do.
Meara
Yeah my parents did this and then never put anything in the trust. My mom died and mostly was fine because Dad was on everything but now we are scrambling to get him to put his remaining assets in the trust.
Anon
I can’t speak to what takes the most time, but the most heartache is absolutely caused by expectations. If you have more than one sibling, make sure your parents have been clear about who gets what.
It was morbid, but after seeing another family torn apart over mere trifles, my grandmother got out a Sharpie and marked the bottom of every gift she received after about age 75. The giver’s name was scrawled in her distinctive script on things as simple as the paint-your-own napkin holder I made for her at summer camp. If she couldn’t mark the item, she kept its box and kept a tag in the box.
For things that weren’t gifts, my mom and her siblings drew straws out of a hat to determine who would go first (not just birth order) and they kept that order as they went through various possessions.
Grief does strange things to people. Even if you think you’re on friendly terms, ask your parents to be clear about who they want to have what and ask your siblings in advance what’s important to them. I have my grandfather’s wingback chair where he sat for 38 years to read the paper every morning and “rest his eyes” every afternoon, and it’s so very special to me, but it didn’t mean much to others, so nobody cared if it went to me.
For furniture and the like that younger grands or cousins could use to furnish those starter homes, make sure you let them know that if they want that super comfy couch from the sunporch, there’ll be an estate sale X weeks after the funeral and they’ll need to arrange before then to come get it. Send along pics of the house to jog people’s memories – a couple end tables I liked were sold because I had forgotten about them (ultimately NBD, but I would have asked for them had I remembered them).
Anonymous
Hire a trusts and estate attorney, and actually follow her instructions. Have powers of attorney in place for financial and medical affairs and leave a set of written instructions for your executor on where to find your records and how you want your person disposed of. We have had to play guessing games to find all the relevant records, figuring which insurance was still in place and finding the current beneficiary designations.
Novice Cat Lady
Cat questions. 1) We recently adopted a pair of bonded cats from the shelter. (They are littermates, boys, both 2 years old and neutered.) One of them is a biter. He’s generally not aggressive about it, and no skin has ever been broken, but he’s definitely using his mouth and teeth to communicate. It usually happens when he’s curled up with us and asking to be petted – you’ll pet him and suddenly he’ll turn his head and latch on to your hand with his teeth. Even after he uses his teeth, he still wants to be petted and cuddled, so it doesn’t seem like he’s protesting the petting. It really feels like he’s using it to ramp up his demand for attention. Any tips for how to curb this behavior? Right now, we just say “NO” and move the cat away from us. But I need to figure out a better solution. We have a vet appointment in a week or two, but looking for more immediate ideas.
2) Do you have any tips for the etiquette around having people over when you have cats? Do I need to tell people in advance in case they have allergies? Put the cats in a room together and close the door? Provide OTC meds? I have people in my life that I love who are allergic and I just want to be as open as possible given the fact that we do have these cats now. We thought about adopting a breed from a breeder that is more likely to be hypoallergenic, but were told that it was selfish to get a cat from a breeder – so we don’t even have the hope that they might not trigger allergies.
Anon
First question — if you find a way to actually train a cat like that, please let me know!
Second question — you’re overthinking. Tell your loved ones you have cats, let them take the lead.
Anon
I am pretty strongly allergic to cats, and I always appreciate a heads-up. I have my own Benadryl supply :)
Anon
The purebred ones would probably trigger allergies anyway, if it helps! I’d love to support ethical breeders of cats, but the cat fancy isn’t serious about science backed breeding programs or even incorporating detailed health history into pedigrees unfortunately. I don’t mind that they’re working on lower allergenicity cats, but it’s just lower relatively and not actually hypoallergenic.
Cat allergies can be pretty severe and not everyone can be in a house where a cat was comfortably. But if your friends’ allergies aren’t severe, I think cleaning and running an air filter are as important as the option to be away from the physical cats. Cat allergies can be fatal for people who have it bad, so don’t be offended if people need to meet elsewhere.
Anonymous
First: cats aren’t really all that trainable the way dogs are, just stop interacting when the biting happens.
Second: just tell people you have cats.
nananon
First: cats aren’t really all that trainable the way dogs are, just stop interacting when the biting happens.
Second: just tell people you have cats.
Anon
About the biting… I’m not sure cats always connect natural behaviors to the word “no.” (I find they understand “no” better if it’s something they’re not sure about to begin with, vs. something they experience as instinctual.)
I think the cat isn’t going to see the problem with biting unless you convey that it hurts. So it’s not just “no” but also “owww!” along with cuddle time being over. Cats think of themselves as little lethal weapons and they learn a lot about how far is too far with their teeth and claws from interacting with other cats when they’re little. They need to learn how far is too far when it comes to humans too. Some cats do love nips forever, but they need to be taught that pretty much no pressure is okay (cat bites that do bite the skin are a doctor’s visit kind of thing, so you know!).
Anon
I tell people I have cats (I have two brother cats.) They can do with that information as they wish.
It does no good to lock your cat away from your guests. Their dander is already everywhere.
Anonymous
re: biting – try confining your petting to the cat’s head or maybe the back, definitely not the belly. And/or stop when they start wagging their tail. We had a cat that would bite HARD when overstimulated.
Anonymous
He might not be as into the petting as you think. He might be tolerating more petting than he wants because you’re feeding him, but not enjoying it like you do. Let him just lie there quietly instead. I like to pet the forehead of cats like these, and avoid the back, no long strokes over the back or tummy – he’s not a dog. ;)
Tell people you have cats! I love cats, but I’m allergic. I can visit you, but I do need medication, will need to wash all clothes after and may need to leave early. If I didn’t plan for cats that day, I might not have my antihistamines, so I’d appreciate the OTC backup. I appreciate there being a cat hair free chair, or the offer of a clean, freshly washed blanket or sheet that I can drape on the couch to sit on, so I don’t get as much hair on my clothes and then drag them into the car. I’d love to pet your cat, but I will need to immediately wash my hands so that I don’t get the dander on my face if I itch or something.
Lots to Learn
We have a cat who bites in the same situations (bites to hold on while being petted). We’ve tried everything to break her of it and it hasn’t worked. Will watch the video, but I’m not hopeful.
Anon
1. If he isn’t biting down hard, don’t jerk your hand away because you’re more likely to actually get injured like that (I say from experience). Also it sounds like he might benefit from a kick toy. He’s probably just wanting to play.
2. Just tell them you have cats, they can figure it out.
Anon
Favorite pick-me-ups? I’m PMSing, sleep deprived, and the air quality from wildfires makes going outside very unpleasant. I would love any suggestions you have!
Anonymous
Hot bath, Uber eats from my favorite restaurant, talking to a good friend, painting my nails, doodling, coloring, yoga, meditation, finding inspirational quotes, losing myself in a book, watching stand-up comedy…
Anon
Turn your air purifier on, order or make something nutritious and then go to bed really early.
anon
Legally Blonde. Take out, with a slice of cake.
Peaches
It’s Reeses pumpkin season. For some reason they are better than the plain cups.
Sallyanne
Agreed but truly the Easter eggs are the best! And why can’t they put something out between Easter and Halloween?!
But to answer the question, hot bath and early bed!
Anonymous
Warm bath, some warm vanilla milk, and go to bed early.
TravelDreams
I interviewed for a county govt role and was added to “the qualified applicant pool”. I feel totally scammed. I think they just interviewed people so they could give it to the interim person in the role. Just a vent. Can anyone relate?
Anon
Just went through 3 rounds of interview for them to select the interim person. Didn’t they know they would do this after the first round?
TravelDreams
Oof, that sounds terrible. My sympathies.
Anonymous
Maybe but they are likely required to push all qualified candidates forward to the next round until they are down to like 2-3 people and then they make a recommendation based on scoring from exams and interviews.
gov anon
Yes. They likely had to follow a process and push all the qualified applicants through the steps. They may have known that they wanted the interim person. But also, they probably had no guarantee that the interim would decide to take the job permanently. In which case, they would have made an offer to the second highest scoring candidate.
Anon
Rounds two and three were just the two of us (myself and the person who got the job) and I am aware of the requirement for hiring the position — they could have hired after the first round and the decision maker was in all three rounds. I did get to meet the city manager (who is not the decision maker for the position) in one of the rounds and he has reached out, wanting to keep in touch for the next opening. So that was a positive.
Anon
People don’t conduct interviews just for funsies, I’m sure they were genuinely unsure at those points. I get that you’re salty about not getting the job, but other people don’t have enough free time just to play games.
Anon
Not able to reply to the funsie comment. City manager confirmed for me that the pick was made before the first round of interviews started. Additional people needed to meet the chosen person before hire was final, thus the final two rounds. The process only required more than one candidate in the first round. City manager stated he advocated for only putting the top person through the final two rounds. His words were that this was a power play by the decision maker.
Anonymous
Pool is a good sign. Speaking as someone who works in govt and is married to someone who works for a different level of govt, sometimes they do want to hire the interim person but we love to get a pool when we can because we can pull from that for other jobs that we are planning to fill without having to run yet more cumbersome competitions.
Anon
Agreed, pool is not a bad thing.
Anon
To get hired into most state gov attorney positions here, you have to be in the pool first. They can’t hire anyone external who isn’t in the pool. I don’t think they swindled you at all, unless when you asked about the process, they said it was something completely different.
Nudibranch
Government jobs are like this. The interim has to interview and we have to open the position to outside applicants. The interim often has an advantage if they’re observant and have a good work ethic in the interview, because they know what the job is and what it entails. They aren’t always hired though. The ‘best’ candidate may very well be someone from outside.
Anonymous
This recently happened at DH’s workplace. They hired an outside guy with a flashy resume over the female scientist who had been working her way up internally. Flashy guy was gone for an outside of govt position with a much larger research budget in another state within a year. Meanwhile female scientist has moved on and they are now stuck with an empty role. Those kind of scenarios are why higher ups like to push as many people into a pool as they can, then they can draw down in the future. City manager (esp if manager of one dept vs the whole city), may or may not have that perspective vs higher level HR management.
Anon
My god, this looks so cheap. This would look terrible about 5 seconds after leaving the store on anybody.
Anon
It does, doesn’t it.
Anonymous
It would look terrible in the store too, let’s be honest.
Anonymous
All WHBM looks cheap. Not a fan.
Anon
I mean, it’s one banana, Michael. What could it cost? 10 dollars?
Anon
Being flown to Denver for a final in-person interview for a senior role at a nonprofit. Help me decide what to wear?
I’ll be doing a panel interview and then lunch. Early October. I don’t want to be too formal (ie, no complete suits) and my favored vibe leans toward East Coast, elevated casual classic. I have no idea what to wear!
Anon
Your favourite amazing blazer. Pop to your local consignment store if you need a new one.
Wishing you lots of luck!
Anon
+1
And I think when it comes to interviewing, it’s still safe to err on the side of formality.
Anon.
Sheet dress and non-matching, but somehow coordinated blazer is what I would wear.
Anonymous
We use a cleaning service once a week that comes to clean approx 9-12/1 pm. Usually the same person. $150 counting tip for 2 bed 2 bath.
We recently did some painting and I booked this service to do a “deep clean” after. $300, counting $50 tip. Because we had to move furniture around for the painting and some other work, we already did a whole bunch of basic cleaning/dusting that would normally get done by the service when we were putting things away so what we were hoping for is more of a thorough cleaning of everything. They sent a new person who seemed nice enough and I told her to please wipe things down like the doors and cabinets etc and asked her to clean the inside of the oven and whatever extras that time allowed. I then left for the day and came to find that none of the extras were done but she was done before 4 pm (and possibly earlier) because she was gone by the time my husband came home at 4. Admittedly cleaning oven or cabinet doors are not expressly part of the deep clean service. But I am annoyed because under normal circumstances this is something that can run 9-5 and I felt like by cleaning in advance I was looking for something more detailed and instead I got a reg cleaning job with maybe some hasty extras. Like she cleaned the fridge but not well, wiped windows but left smudges, and overall it was a great regular clean but not a “deep clean” which is what I paid for. But maybe I’m being unreasonable? Should I say anything to the service? I texted the cleaner after and asked her if she cleaned the fridge (it really wasn’t clear to me) and she just said “yep” – didn’t ask me if I was unhappy, etc.
On the one hand I hate to complain, on the other I feel taken advantage of and I could have just paid our regular person to do a regular cleaning. WWYD?
Anonymous
If you are dealing with a company – there should be a list of what is done on a regular cleaning vs what is a deep clean. I would loop back to the company with any items from that list that were not done and ask that they be included with some extra time on the next regular clean. Tip your regular person more for the extra work. Maybe request your regular person as well.
Anon
I would not expect oven or cabinet doors if not listed as part of the service. I don’t think they skip the basic cleaning/dusting just because you already did it. But it sounds like in general you were not getting the thorough cleaning that you expected if things were still not that clean that they did work on.
Is there a way to stick with your better person and avoid this new person in the future? It sounds like that is what the main issue actually is (your usual person is just better so your expectations were higher). If you want to complain or ask them to make it right, I would stick with what was promised and what fell short of what’s expressly part of the deep clean service (so the fridge not being clean or the windows being smudged). I’d only bring up the hours if hours were agreed to.
Anonymous
It depends who you use and whether they gave you a list of things they do. If there is a list and things weren’t done then ask them to send someone again for no charge to finish the things that weren’t done. If there wasn’t a list and you’re unhappy then I might ask them to come again depending on how bad it was but I would have low expectations. In general though I think normal residential cleaners aren’t that good at a deep clean.
I use an individual who also brings a rotating crew with her. I paid for a move out clean when I was preparing to list my place for rent, though admittedly I should’ve asked for a list of what that includes. My realtor complained to me that it hadn’t been cleaned and offered to set up cleaning (for a fee) – after I’d already paid $300 before tip (usually $100). There were still crumbs in the fridge drawers, cat hair along the edges of the carpet, dust bunnies in the corners – things that clearly should’ve been done. I had them come out again and also clarified that move out clean means top to bottom every nook and cranny, which she agreed and said that should’ve been done the first time. Even after that I still found some little things, like baseboards that got missed. In the future I’m just going to use the realtor’s cleaning person.