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I am Muslim. Should I be concerned about the election results?
My only hope is that the experienced, educated people who recoiled from trump during the campaign will hold their noses and seek to work in government to mitigate the damage he can do.
Speaking as one of those people, I plan to decline a job offer that I previously planned to accept. I cannot fathom the notion of working with or for him, as commander in chief. 55 million people just told me that as a woman of color my interests are unimportant to them so, I do not feel that I do not owe the nation that debt.
I just started in government. I get why you feel that way. I do. But the civil service is full of good, good people – many of whom did NOT vote that way – and I think the best thing we can do is be a force for good on the inside.
I’m a woman. I’m a minority. And I am going to buckle down and keep coming to work every single day for the next four years because I love my country more than I hate Trump.
I sincerely hope not. I will stand up for you, and I know many others will as well. I am so sorry that this question needs to be asked.
Same here. I’m nervous but fully intend to be actively involved in standing up for people who may be targeted.
Absolutely. It is a shame that this has to be a concern. WE are all Americans.
Agreed. I will be standing with all of my Muslim, LGBTQ, Latino, immigrant, disabled, etc. countrymen.
I think that all people are created equal and irregardless of who win’s the election, we should all be OK b/c this is America! Dad told me this same thing this morning and he knows what he is talking about b/c he is MENSA eligibel. I wonder what this will mean for WC cases? I know WC is based on STATE law, but still –is anyone in the hive plugged into the DC people on this?
Not today.
Ugh. Really?
No wonder people have a hard time taking this s*te seriously. Yeah, let’s troll and be an idiot on a day when everyone is upset, crying and devastated.
I am also Muslim, but I live in a solid blue state. I worry more for my family in the Trump areas than myself. But as a whole, I think we should brace ourselves. A green light has just been given to unleash a torrent of hate not seen in America against Muslims previously.
I don’t think so. I am a lifelong Republican (Johnston voter) and regular churchgoer. I would not for a moment stand for you to be hurt because of who you are by heritage or what you believe. The First Amendment is first for a reason and we are all judged by how we treat those who may need its protections the most.
FWIW, our Supreme Court has no protestants on it — it is Jewish and Catholic. If you see that against a backdrop of history, that has to be a sign that we are really committed to the First Amendment and we stand up for it.
What?…
Thank you. I read this too and thought “Huh?”
And just… fyi.. Anonyomus at 9:29. Being a Johnson voter is hurting people based on who they are by heritage and what they believe. You may have convinced yourself otherwise, but a candidate who would leave social and civil rights issues to each state to decide is a candidate who has no conviction for the protection and support of people based on their heritage and beliefs.
This + 1,000,000
By refusing to take an action that could contribute to stopping Trump, anon at 9:29 has refused to take a stand for OP and others in marginalized groups. Full stop.
I don’t get it — someone on the other side of the aisle types in to say what is in her heart — kindness for a person feeling threatened / unwanted and gets jumped on. This should not be who we are.
+1
Agreed. Her sentiments were not unkind, even if you don’t agree with them. Let’s do better, now.
Her sentiments were not unkind, they just ring hollow.
Honestly, I think it depends on where you live. I would certainly be concerned, but I don’t know to what extent.
I’m a non-Muslim WOC and have the same question.
Non-Muslim here but I’ve already decided that if he starts registering Muslims, I’m putting my name in in solidarity. If we all do it the registry becomes meaningless. I’m not going to stand by and let this happen.
I’m non-Muslim, voted for Trump (in a blue state, so no impact on election) and will also put my name on the registry. I’ll also protest it. But seriously, it will never happen.
Trump’s election was a backlash against the entrenched government establishment – Democrats mainly – and against the Clinton (Bill and Hillary both) multimillionaire legacy and the Obama legacy. It is not a backlash against POC, WOC, Muslims etc.
You are wrong.
No I’m not wrong.
This is what I mean: NYTimes article “Donald Trump is elected president in stunning repudiation of the Establishment “. So kkh Is the NYT spouting a racist misogynistic dog whistle?
+1
…and if that were true, incumbent Republican senators (who are ALSO the establishment and ALSO completely entrenched in the government you are supposedly backlashing against) would’ve lost yesterday. But they didn’t. Because “against the entrenched establishment” and “against the elite” is a racist, misogynist dog whistle for people like you whose lives won’t be affected by what happens next to hide behind.
I’m glad you were able to put your head in the sand because the target wasn’t on your back, but you are very wrong.
It was an absolute backlash against “others” / multiculturalism and job loss because of technology. It is the whole premise of “Make America Great Again.” In other words, an absolute ‘whitelash’ against “immigrants stealing jobs” and “jobs going to China” – otherwise, the poorest would literally rebel against a 1%er who does not pay his fair share of taxes at the expense of coal country, Detroit, etc. becoming decimated.
You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
I agree with Anon in Blue state. It’s a huge backlash against the establishment. The leader chose to dress it in an appalling way to drive the frenzy. This is fundamentally about money, and why some people have so little, other people have so much, and how this all played out over the past 10 years.
WRONG.
If that were the case, you would have seen a all new faces in the house and Senate as KKH said above.
And if it were about money, you’d remember 2010 and that Occupy Wall Street was *literally* about people being angry that the most wealth is focused in the smallest percentage of people, those people who do not pay a proportionate amount of tax, and who despite already being rich received ‘bailouts’ when the banks went bust on the middle class and the rich only profited on it.
What.
A vote for billionaire Donald Trump is a vote against… money?
So… you’re telling me.. people who voted for Trump are lashing out against people “in the establishment” with money? They voted for a man who had a multi-million dollar inheritance, doesn’t pay federal income taxes and has a house of golden toilets to show the left how mad they are at the wealthy elite?
Is this real life?
Utterly confused by “A vote for billionaire Donald Trump is a vote against… money?”
I would love to see an intelligible, well reasoned explanation for that one. Please, because my brain is dying.
There is no intelligible, well reasoned explanation. Poor white folks have been voting for the GOP for years despite the fact that the GOP snake-oil of trickle-down economics will never, ever address economic inequity. Not when the CE salaries are a gazillion times higher than the salaries of the entry-level employees. Never mind the anti-intellectualism (insisting that high schools teach creation “science” alongside the theory of evolution, starving state & municipal budgets so that schools don’t get enough funding). Never mind the fact that there are more poor WHITE people than poor POC. Reagan first gave us the image of the “Welfare Queen”–that’s what sticks in the minds of the angry, disenfranchised, misled and economically frustrated poor white GOP voters. Read “Deer Hunting with Jesus” or similar books.
“I agree with Anon in Blue state. It’s a huge backlash against the establishment. The leader chose to dress it in an appalling way to drive the frenzy.”
Your OWN post proves the point that it’s a backlash against non-whites, POC, WOC, Muslims, LGBT, etc. If the leader chose to dress it in RACISM AND BIGOTRY to “drive the frenzy,” that literally means that he knew people would be motivated by racism and bigotry and that people were motivated by racism and bigotry.
Critical thinking, people. Please.
Is that why people voted for a candidate who wants to lower the minimum wage and has the most regressive tax plan in years?
Maybe it’s actually about what he says it’s about – race baiting and fear mongering.
Anon @ 10:40am, here is one thought – the tax “platform” Trump proposed during the election would create more tax cuts for the wealthy and could increase taxes on middle and lower income brackets: http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/26/news/economy/trump-tax-plan/
We definitely need to strengthen the middle class, and I truly believe the democratic ideals and platform are the way to do that – healthcare reform, broader access to education, increase taxes on the wealthiest, etc etc
The man lives in a gold-plated penthouse in a gold-plated building that has his name (in gold plating!) emblazoned on the outside of it. A gold-plated penthouse built on the backs of undocumented and non-union labor, on the backs of people he defrauded through numerous of his now-defunct and illegitimate businesses (Trump university, anyone?), and on the backs of small business contractors he refused to pay, simply because he knew they couldn’t afford to sue him. Please tell me more about how this was a backlash vote against the wealthy and the elite.
It’s coming from an incredible place of privilege to think this is an election only about money. If you haven’t watched Van Jones comments last night, please do:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/cnns-van-jones-remarks-about-donald-trump-win-go-viral-w449053
My (white) DH who did not vote for Trump kept saying it’s not about racism it’s about money, but after hearing Van Jones speak he looked at me and finally understood what it must feel like for me.
It was backlash on BOTH…how can you not see that?
What’s the bad Obama legacy that is hurting the middle class? What I see is people who couldn’t access health insurance now having it.
Or those who can’t afford insurance on the exchanges because the rates have increased by the hundreds each year. Or the labor force participating rate being the lowest it’s been in decades. Or underemployment, which is prevalent.
Or the bail out of auto industry in Michigan…
I’m with you Anon in Blue. Trump vote does not equal racist mysoginistic hater as the media is constantly implying. I will fight against discrimination against minorities. I voted for him for the Supreme Court appoinements and as anti-establishment.
Me too. Black head to toe and severe gibson roll hairstyle.
I think we should all be concerned about the election results. I don’t think a lot of people get that it is going to be Pence running the show.
For context, I don’t really identify currently as any religion, but I am from a Muslim country, and grew up practicing Islam. So I am an educated woman of color immigrant from a Muslim country. I am basically an embodiment of everything that Trump-Pence hates.
Dressed head-to-toe in black today, but still wearing a pant suit.
Also dressed in black.
Also in black.
Me too.
Oh that’s perfect. I’ll do the same.
in black and cobalt. a continuation of our male patriarchial society.
black and cobalt tights. Great minds…..
That was my outfit – black pantsuit and cobalt sweater – for my 15 hours yesterday as a Dem observer/liaison in the local Board of Election. In somber black and gray today, but with shiny purple shoes, my tiny symbol of a hope. that I can’t quite feel yet.
Yep, I’m in black and blue.
I wanted to wear black but decided to wear my color blue power blazer and get back to work.
Canadian wearing a black pantsuit with my HRC women’s rights and human rights t-shirt.
Canadian immigration department website crashed last night from so much traffic.
Current mood – don’t complain, send help. GLAAD and Planned Parenthood will be getting my $$$$.
My America belongs to Susan B. Anthony, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Rosa Parks amongst many others and he might have it for 4 years but I will do everything I can to help y’all get it back.
American in UK and reeling today. This am, my students just kind of stared at me this morning and I had no answers for them. Dreading my lecture tonight, I think for my own mental health, I’m going to allow 10 minutes of venting and discussion and then try and focus on the topic.
In a Brexit/Trump context, I guess you just do what you can. For now, I can just focus on calling out racism and sexism when I see it, support progressive causes, and try and be good and kind but my heart is breaking for those who now feel unsafe and unwelcome both here and at home.
Cobalt shirt, black skirt.
Gray sackcloth here.
Also wearing black.
I don’t own a pantsuit but I’m in all black today. I had laid out an outfit with a pink sweater last night but switched it out this morning. I’m so disappointed and nervous.
Likewise.
Blue and white.
My entire office spontaneously showed up in black.
Same here — it’s all black and gray, completely unplanned.
Same here…
I just got back from an impromptu team meeting. Every woman there was in black and dark grey. Not planned, just indicative of today’s mood, I guess. I am in a black sweater and dark grey pants.
Black and grey here. And it’s a somber, rainy day in my city.
Same here. Yesterday was a beautiful day with clear skies and warm sun until mid-afternoon. About sums it up.
Me too.
Black pencil skirt, white tee, royal blue jacket.
Black pantsuit indeed. And, fortunately, the weather matches my mood (although I’m apparently so distraught I couldn’t be bothered to open an umbrella).
Also in all black.
Also in head to toe black. It’s fitting for my mood and funereal
Me too. and no makeup. f the patriarchy.
I woke up too upset this morning to bother with make up or contacts. Or heels. Everyone should feel lucky that I’m wearing matching clothes.
same
Sad day. Dressed in black and gray.
Also wearing black today…
Was too distraught for dressing carefully today, so I wore the first sweater on top of the pile, and mascara to keep myself from crying. Not sure how successful I’ll be today.
Wore jeans and a t-shirt today. I can’t stop crying, there was no way I could dress myself any nicer than that.
My company has “Red Shirt Wednesdays” to show support for the men and women in the military. This morning as we were getting dressed, my husband picked up his red shirt, then threw it on the floor saying, “There is no f*ing way I’m wearing red today.”
Very few people here are in red today. This is a deep red state, and this particular county even went red.
Off work, so wearing a “Self-rescuing Princess” tee, since it’s quite clear my country won’t.
Also in black.
Me too.
Blue dress and polka dot cardigan. All smiles.
I’ve seen so many people saying, how do I tell my kids that bigotry and rac*sm won? Etc. Well, how about you don’t? Tell them that people want different things for America. We have different opinions on what is the best course for America, but we all want the best for America. Let’s try not to continue heightening emotions and namecalling.
(I didn’t vote for Trump).
Trump is endorsed by the KKK, and didn’t even disavow that endorsement. That’s pretty much the definition or racism and bigotry.
He did disavow it, FYI. I’m not sticking up for him. I’m just saying I don’t think all of that serves any purpose.
He disavowed it after a huge public backlash. He didn’t immediately disavow it and said he needed more time to research it. I think whatever your politics are, we can all agree that there are people like Hitler and the KKK that can and should be immediately condemned. Well, at least I thought that until yesterday evening.
Tell them that some people want an America where white men always always win.
Tell them some people are willfully ignorant.
Tell them some people hate women and brown people.
Tell your children the truth.
And some people want jobs…and food…and control of illegal immigration…and to be heard and not denigrated.
average household income of trump supporters = $70k. Don’t tell me people wanted food.
You don’t take average household income to the supermarket. You take your low end of average to the food bank.
Anonymous at 9:44, why do you think it is permissible to discriminate against others to marginally advance* your own economic interests? You feel like you’re not being listened to? Boohoo. Whites are the majority. The rules were written for you, by you. The fact that other people have finally had the chance to speak in the past few decades doesn’t mean that you don’t have tons of people representing your interests.
*Lol, sure. Lemme know how fast Trump rebuilds those factories.
And how exactly do you think Mr. Trump is going to provide new jobs and food? I thought government was the problem? Or is it just the problem when it helps the wrong people.
Let’s see. How about we replace free trade with FAIR trade? Let’s end the tax inequity between small and mid-size businesses and large corporations — as small and midsize companies drive job growth. Let’s end the rampant abuse of H1B visas. Let’s control ILLEGAL immigration. And then I don’t care the religion, race, height, or gender of who gets the jobs.
Right. . . what are Mr. Trump’s plans for all of that? Besides a wall.
Obama deported more immigrants than ANY president. Let’s not be naive. Democrats of late are no more pro-immigration reform than Republicans.
So they voted for the candidate who wanted a lower minimum wage and a regressive tax code? Oh please.
Oh please. Donald Trump is going to give people food? Are you kidding me?
That is exactly what I told my daughter this morning. She asked if we could move abroad. She is 9.
Yeah, this. My two oldest kids are truly sad.
Thank you. Trump received more of the African-American and Latino vote than Romney did. 20% of African-American men voted for Trump. There is clearly something more than alleged prejudice at play.
Also – not a Trump voter. But I recognize people can disagree on politics.
you realized “alleged prejudice” includes sexism? so the fact that 20% of black men voted for Trump doesn’t mean he isn’t a bigot?
I’m saying it’s not that simple. I don’t think we can say that 20% of black males voted for Trump simply because they don’t like women.
Yes. Sexism. SMH
My response to a friend’s post on this topic was to tell your kids the truth. Tell them that there are some people out there who believe there are categories of people who are lesser than they are. Tell them that you don’t believe that and that is not an appropriate view in your family. Tell them that there are really good people out there too and give them examples. Tell them how when they are old enough, they can help fight injustice. Teach them how to get involved in their communities. Teach them to respect all people. Teach them to fight for what they believe in.
I think this response is good. Don’t demonize the other side but don’t lie to your kids either. Young =\= stupid
Yes. My oldest is almost 4 and one of the many things I vented to my husband last night is that my kids are going to become aware of the world around them at a time when I can’t point to the US president as someone to look up to. And at a time when I’m afraid lots of -isms are going to have a louder voice. it’s just sad. And a huge parenting challenge.
I also have a 4 year old…I don’t need to say too much now, but I am very worried about how to explain about government and elections as he gets just a little bit older and more aware when I don’t have a good role model to point to. :(
I have a 4 year old as well. I had been thinking of my kids as too young to understand much, but the I realized that I distinctly remember Ferraro as a VP candidate which would have been when I was 4. I knew it was exciting that a woman was on the ticket, and I know I looked at her and knew she was different from the normal male candidates and that she was like me, and that women should be equal.
Just be glad you don’t have to explain to your children and grandchildren why you voted for Trump.
Yes. This.
This has got to be a mostly white person sentiment. As a minority and a Muslim, I’m not telling kids that people who voted for someone who openly campaigned on banning us from the country just want the best for the country.
+ agreed as a fellow minority Muslim woman. I feel very unwelcome. My parents are refugees who came to the US during the 80s and the election rhetoric toward ppl like them is very clear.
I’m a Republican and I’m glad you’re here!
Our country would be a dying country without immigration. We don’t have the birthrate to sustain ourselves, so if people don’t come here, we will be so much worse off. Plus, it is the right thing to do (maybe not with total open / unfettered borders; and I don’t know what you say to people who wait patiently to come legally; and it would all be better if the countries to our south were safe for their citizens; but overall: y’all come and stay!).
There isn’t a candidate in recent history that advocated for “total open/unfettered borders.” Sigh.
That’s what Clinton said she wanted in her Wall Street speeches.
She said that in the context of trade, not immigration, I believe.
Yes, let’s have unfettered borders for trade so we can make sure any jobs that are left are shipped out.
When Hillary was Secretary of State in 2014 and unaccompanied refugee minors started turning themselves in at the border seeking refuge in record numbers, she advocated for expedited deportations without giving kids a day in court.
How is that “open/unfettered borders”?
As a minority and a Muslim who knows some Trump supporters personally, a lot of them truly believe that America is better without Muslims. Some of them have not met a good “average” Muslim person. They only know what they see on TV (terrorists who want to destroy America for it’s “liberal” values). Based on what they know, they see a ban on Muslims as the only way to keep their (our) country safe. Furthermore, a lot of Trump supporters are not college educated and prefer simple solutions to huge problems. I am sure that the average Trump supporter acts more out of fear than reason. Just because they make stupid decisions doesn’t mean that they are bigots.
Hopefully, as the world becomes more global, we can all work together to stop the few “bad guys” that ruin things for the whole world.
Becoming more global is the problem, not the solution.
+10000
I am the Anon below. I cannot agree with this comment enough. As I stated below, technology made the world smaller, but also showed to relatively peaceful Muslim population of the country what being a real Muslim means. Local Muslim leaders are getting funds from Saudi Arabia to to propagate “real” Islam where killing non-believers is a fair game.
According to Wiki leaks , Clinton foundation took donation from Saudi Kings who also support radical Islam (aka ISIS) in the middle east. I cannot think of worse thing she could have done.
You do know the biggest supporters of the Saudi Royal Family (who have funded violent ideology) is the Bush Family? Please educate yourself.
That point is extremely subjective. Globalization has downsides, but also a bunch of upsides. The average standard of living increases through free trade.
I am from a country from a sizable Muslim population and I am not an American. I can completely see why majority of Americans are so scared/exhausted of Muslims.
1.Most of the terrorism worldwide (currently) is carried out by Muslims.
2.Governments go so much out of their way to make Muslims comfortable, without showing the same
regard to majority population.
3.There are no signs of uprising/reform/revolution against terrorism by ordinary Muslims. Reason
being they are in a different country and they cannot stop terrorism spawned somewhere else in the
world.However,when Muslims in Palestine are hurt, there will be all sort of protests, boycotting Israeli made stuff
etc all over the world.
4. Yesterday, some one mentioned about false rumors that Muslims cheered when WTC fell. I have
seen Muslims cheering when majority population or the country is hurt in one way or the other. I
have seen “average” Muslim being arrested for recruiting for ISIS. I have seen them becoming more
and more radicalized as technology advances and they can see how Muslims are fighting for their
religion (aka terrorizing people and committing atrocities) and want to do the same. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if some Muslims has cheered for the fall of WTC.
So dismissing people as dumb/stupid/bigots for their well founded fears is definitely one of
the reasons why no survey predicted Trump win. It is quite possible that people either falsely
told that they were voting for Hillary or didn’t participate in the survey at all.
As a Muslim, I agree with quite a bit of what you said, sadly.
I would like to specify though, that American Muslims have their own unique “American” subculture that is different than Muslims in other countries. I can tell you that 9/11 has been the worst thing that has happened for American Muslims – not only as an attack on our country and it’s liberty, but also the stigma that has followed American Muslims as being associated with evil/terrorists. As for radicalization, I don’t know what to say. All I know are regular working people who only care that they can save up enough for their kid’s college tuition or work stress or how they’re going to decorate their table for Thanksgiving.
I pray for our country, and all the different amazing people in it.
And as a Muslim, I disagree with all of what you’re saying
1. Globally, terrorism is carried out by Muslims AGAINST mainly Muslims. Muslims have been the single biggest target of ISIL/Al Qaeda. Are people really stupid enough to think that most Muslims are in support of the actions of terrorists groups when Muslims are the biggest target?
2. The majority population doesn’t need any special accommodations to feel comfortable. That is the perk of being the majority. You have control of nearly all levels of government and business and industry. What else could possibly make these majority populations even MORE comfortable? I’m genuinely baffled by this.
3. You could not be more wrong on this for several reasons. I have personally marched in dozens of Muslims against terrorism/ISIS protests. But putting aside personal anecdotes, people protest and march as a way of demonstrating that they want change. But is protesting ISIS really going to convince ISIS not to kill any more people? Even when I’ve marched, it’s mostly been out of a sense of helplessness than anything else. If ISIS cared about the opinions of Muslims they wouldn’t be murdering them by the thousands (see point 1). And Muslims have shown solidarity with their countryfolk at every turn. You can google hundreds of examples of Muslims in American and elsewhere strongly taking a stance against terrorism. (To the extent that Palestine is relevant here, the protest behind those at least have coherent goals => encouraging governments to take certain action or stop certain action. Even if you don’t believe in that cause, you can understand how people may think it’s more valuable of an effort to protest something with a tangible action plan than “let’s protest bad people doing bad things” which is basically what a protest against ISIS would amount to).
4. This is the very definition of stereotyping. You can make the argument that you just made against any group of people. Here are other examples: “I have seen a viral video of white people screaming obscenities at minorities. I wouldn’t be surprised if some whites cheered at the killing of blacks” ; “I have seen a black person assault a police officer. I wouldn’t be surprised if some blacks cheered when a police officer is killed.” These are all examples of abhorrent statements and none of it would justify a hate against either group.
1. Majority of Muslims may not support terrorism. However they are silent observers. In cases where the terrorist activities are directed against some other minority Islamic subgroup/religion/culture,it is either supported or met with indifference. If majority of Muslims and Islamic governments around the world are actively against the menace of terrorism and nip it in the bud, then it would not be so rampant today. Also, thank you for the name calling.
2. Exactly..majority population is taken for granted. At best, they are laughed at and dismissed as stupid. At worst, they are demonized and called evil. When Steel City Magnolia wrote a post yesterday,there were very less posts where people were genuinely interested in understanding her concerns. If Dems had made an attempt to understand the concerns of moderate working class Republicans, we would not have seen Trump where he is today.
3. So if protesting ISIS is not going to work, then find something that is going to work. Getting rid of Islamic terrorism requires nothing short of a revolution. Most of the religions reform from time to time. However, Islam is regressing. Where is the strong counter narrative for what radical Islamic clerics preach? It is either very weak or non existent, especially in countries where terrorism is rampant. Regarding Palestine, sure, work towards something that provides results. Same way, has the Muslim community worked towards providing the same security and safety that they desire here to non-Muslims in countries where they are majority?
At least, this is more achievable right than protesting against ISIS right?
4. I have one more example of stereotyping: “People who voted for Trump are bigots/racists/stupid/evil/selfish/deplorable/dark and dangerous etc etc.”
Please don’t group American Muslims with Muslims in other countries. Some of us have never stepped foot outside U.S. soil and have no way of affecting the actions of foreign nationals 1000s of miles away….
I’m white and a nominal Christian, and I’m in complete agreement. And it’s not only Muslims–what about my Latino friends? What about my disabled friends? What about my Black friends, or my Jewish friends, or my immigrant friends? How can I look any of them in the eye and tell them that racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia didn’t win?
You don’t. You tell them that you love them, support them, and will fight for their rights.
I’m Jewish in the US midwest and the majority of Jews I knew supported Trump. Some were legal immigrants (Jewish refugees from the 70s-90s). All highly educated. So did my family in Israel (they said the general sentiment in their various social circles in Israel was pro-Trump).
My Jewish SO and friends in the Midwest were strongly anti-Trump and are frankly afraid of the new wave of anti-Semitism that he has fanned.
This is totally mind boggling to me- don’t they realize that this view is putting them on the same side as Neo-Nazis?!?! WTF? The world has gone mad.
Interesting. I’m Jewish, with relatives in Israel, and the only pro-Trump person in my family is my one uncle that we collectively started calling “the red-neck Jew” after he proudly told us that he was kicked off of FB for posting racist stuff about Obama.
+1 You could reasonably say that Trump voters “want the best for themselves to the exclusion of others”, but certainly not “we all want the best for America”.
I realized yesterday, during his victory speech, that one of the core problems here seems to be that we have two very different definitions of “the real America” in this country.
I kind of agree with this. While a racist and a bigot did win, reducing the fears and concerns of millions of voters to “isms” is part of what got us here. Clearly a huge segment of the populace was feeling angry and left behind, and the rest of us added fuel to the fire by dismissing them as ignorant and horrible.
(Also did not vote for Trump and am so, so sad this morning. But name-calling is not a productive way to move forward.)
I’m already over the “we only have ourselves to blame” rhetoric. It’s baloney.
Trump didn’t get elected because Hillary called Trump voters deplorable. He got elected because he told working class white people that he would make sure they stayed above immigrants, Latinos, gays, Blacks, etc on the social class ladder. Working class whites were watching minority groups increasingly win equal rights and they worried that if everyone has the same rights where that leaves them. Because being poor and uneducated is tolerable as long as you hand on to the pride of being white and associated with the powerful and rich by virtue of your whiteness. But once being white isn’t as special because people in minority groups are being recognized as equal, working class whites panic. And sure we can package that up, throw some cognitive dissonance on it and say working class whites had real concerns about “making America great again” but all that ultimately means is securing the status of white people so that the poor, blue collar Americans have something they hang their pride on.
And none of that has anything to do with Democrats recognizing what it means to what America to be “great” again and calling people out for their hate.
So many typos, sorry. I am going through all of the stages of grief at once. And my post isn’t directed at October as much as it is all of the rhetoric I’m hearing this morning about Dems saying this is somehow our fault because we didn’t understand Trump voters.
I agree with all this. Unfortunately, it comes down to economics and scarcity, perecived or otherwise.
Look in the mirror. It’s these types of opinions and denigration of others that has helped to get us where we are today.
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What else are we supposed to call it, then? I’m asking honestly. I have family who voted for Trump–I’m not dismissing them as “ignorant and horrible.” But they support building a wall between the US and Mexico, banning Muslims from entering the country, rolling back gay marriage, and deporting undocumented immigrants. These are all policies that I have heard them describe gleefully as ways to “take our country back.” What is that, if it’s not racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia? It’s the very real fear that the world that they grew up in, dominated by white, nominally Christian men, is gone. But you don’t have to mean something to be racist, for it to still be racist.
My mother in law was visiting my blue state and saw some merchandise that was a Trump style baseball cap but instead of “Make America Great Again” it said “Make America White Again.” The idea was to call out the dog whistle that is the Trump slogan. She shook her head and said that will never work back in her home (red) state because no one would be appalled at the dog whistle. They would actually applaud a “Make America White Again” campaign slogan. There is nothing you can call that except hateful racism.
You don’t see any other reasons people might support those policies? (besides rolling back gay marriage, which Trump doesn’t even want to do)
You missed the point. You don’t have to MEAN something to be racist for it to still be racist. If I asked my father the Trump supporter if he was racist, he’d say he’s not, because he has a black friend. If I asked him if he was xenophobic, he’d say no, because he enjoys traveling. He might say that he supports Trump because he wants to keep our country safe and support American jobs, but the way that Trump proposes to do many of those things is through racist and xenophobic policies.
And do you honestly mean to tell me that Mike Pence and the evangelical Christian lobby won’t try to walk back LGBTQ rights (to say nothing of reproductive rights) with control of the White House, both chambers of Congress, and 2-3 Supreme Court nominations?
+1 to emeralds.
Your intention is irrelevant if the effect is racist.
Like, if my fist slips and hits my friend’s nose and breaks it, is her nose less broken because I didn’t mean to punch her in the face? Come on.
Yes to what emeralds said.
Right now I feel like they are ignorant.
I think there will be people who are crushed, and devastated, when they realize they were once again used and abused by someone who had no plan or intention to help them.
But they aren’t stupid, they aren’t unaware, they read the same internet we do. They KNOW they are mocked, dismissed, taken for granted and/or ignored by the establishment. so they went for the only other choice they had. I don’t think a lot of people on this board can understand what it felt like for many people to have someone acknowledge them as human beings worthy of value and respect (even if I think he was lying through his teeth when he did so).
Oh boo hoo, poor little white people.
“I don’t think a lot of people on this board can understand what it felt like for many people to have someone acknowledge them as human beings worthy of value and respect (even if I think he was lying through his teeth when he did so).”
I can’t even with the irony of this comment. Unreal.
“I don’t think a lot of people on this board can understand what it felt like for many people to have someone acknowledge them as human beings worthy of value and respect” –> actually that is totally how it felt to me to have a real possibility of a woman being president.
Amen to NationalAnthem right above, that is also how it felt to me.
“Clearly a huge segment of the populace was feeling angry and left behind, and the rest of us added fuel to the fire by dismissing them as ignorant and horrible.”
So.Much.This. There is a lot of ignorance within liberal America regarding the composition of Trump’s voting base.
“The firmness with which the people have withstood the… abuses of the press, the discernment they have manifested between truth and falsehood, show that they may safely be trusted to hear everything true and false and to form a correct judgment between them.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Tyler, 1804.
Jefferson got this one wrong.
And I entirely agree with this.
“Tell them that people want different things for America. We have different opinions on what is the best course for America, but we all want the best for America.”
Yea, well, you could say that, but you shouldn’t because that’s a lie by omission. Sure, people want different things for America, but what you haven’t explained is that those things include racism, sexism, bigotry and discrimination, and you haven’t explained why that is permissible. Or, you haven’t explained that people think that discriminating against marginalized groups is an acceptable cost for achieving more ethical aims or why that is permissible. You haven’t explained how racism, sexism, bigotry and discrimination could be a path to making America better for anyone except those doing the discriminating.
“Let’s try not to continue heightening emotions and namecalling.”
Please. Trump supporters and Trump himself do not get to ask me to quit name calling, or to “heal,” or to be unified with them as long as they continue to treat me, gays, the disabled, Muslims, and people of color as second class citizens, or deny climate change, or threaten to jail or kill political opponents or journalists. Full stop. You DO NOT get to treat people like they are subhuman and demand that they cooperate and be nice to you.
+1. I am not going to “try to get along.”
“Please. Trump supporters and Trump himself do not get to ask me to quit name calling, or to “heal,” or to be unified with them as long as they continue to treat me, gays, the disabled, Muslims, and people of color as second class citizens, or deny climate change, or threaten to jail or kill political opponents or journalists. Full stop. You DO NOT get to treat people like they are subhuman and demand that they cooperate and be nice to you.”
+1,000.
Clearly, not everyone wants the best for America. Just their America.
Slow clap.
Drain the swamp!
I am so disappointed and just shocked. Another glass ceiling still intact…
However, I am thankful that this election brought out so many voters. I am thankful this election has opened my eyes to the disparities between the urban and ex-urban perspectives – ones that I had dismissed as ignorant throughout the election. I am thankful this election has piqued my interest in politics, and I will be sure to vote in every election, not just presidential elections. I am thankful we live in a democracy where one person is not a dictator, and the people will still be heard. I am thankful this election has made me realize how out of touch I am with the very people that I want to help.
FYI, I would have been happy to vote for a woman president, just not her. I think a lot of people felt that way. So we can’t blame the glass ceiling entirely.
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“The Flag still stands for freedom and we can’t take that away.” I honor the men AND WOMEN who have defended this land and sacrificed for my freedom – including the families who have also made ultimate sacrifices, the mothers, the sisters, the wives, the daughters. All who suffer to make this the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
If you are waiting for the perfect female candidate while not holding men to the same standard of perfection, then that is most definitely a glass ceiling. And that is that I saw in this election. HRC was not the perfect candidate, but she was extremely qualified with a pretty transparent life in the public sector. Her opponent was a man who had never served public office and blames everyone else for his failures, with an apparent lack of civic understanding as to how our government operates.
She comes across as very Tracy Flick.
Geraldine Ferraro, different election, not top of ticket, I wouldn’t mind living next door to. Ditto Jill Stein (not on the ballot in my state), and I’m not a Green Party fan generally. Condoleeza Rice would be a good neighbor (and she could maybe get me in to the Masters).
I think this is exactly the problem. Being ambitious is only a problem when a woman is ambitious. Of course you have to be ambitious to seek out the highest office in the country.
You’re not voting for a neighbor – you’re voting for a LEADER. The likeability concern is only a concern for women – does anyone think Trump is particularly likeable?
And FWIW, I’ve heard/experienced a backlash from privileged white men after Canada elected a young PM who openly claims he’s a feminist and appointed women and minorities to his cabinet. It’s really disheartening as a WOC to realize how little progress has actually been made. This is not particularly comforting but at least we won’t have to hear the extreme hatred against women in the news for the next 4 years.
That Canadian leader has problems of his own and lots of people were upset and felt patronized because he talked about women and minorities over qualifications and some of the people he appointed in the name of progress had questionable qualifications for the job he appointed them too.
Sure it matters for men! Bill Clinton. Obama was the candidate people wanted to have a beer with, not Romney. It totally matters.
Plus Condi is a wonderful piano player, so you would get some free entertainment out of it.
HRC is not WJC.
WJC connected with people. He grew up poor and white and lost his father and could speak persuasively to a lot of people that HRC never connected with.
HRC is Al Gore.
But does that mean that people find Donald particularly likeable? Someone who you’d want as next-door neighbor?
Exactly. She’s Al Gore and Ted Cruz. She just is. No, I don’t think Donald is likeable either, but I was just responding to the comment that it only matters for women. In this case, neither was likeable, so I guess it was a wash.
I wasn’t waiting for the perfect female candidate. There are lots I would have voted for. Don’t pretend she wasn’t crooked.
don’t pretend Trump isn’t crooked.
I don’t, and I didn’t vote for him, but Ds deny it. I know so many Rs saying they held their noses and voted for him, but no Ds said they had to hold their noses. They should have.
Yes. I wanted to vote for a female candidate. I could not vote for Hillary. I did not vote for Trump. (And I live in Texas, so it didn’t really matter anyway).
I’d say tone-deaf, not crooked. The email business originated from Sec. Clinton’s discomfort with tech. She didn’t want to carry two devices (one official, one personal). NPR said she isn’t comfortable using a desktop computer.
It didn’t help that for the past 25 years the right from Limbaugh to Breitbart was throwing mud in her direction at every opportunity.
The glamorous, wealthy milieu in which the Clintons move? Some wealthy people have very down-home, help-the-little-guy politics. That may or may not seem approachable to people who share their politics but live instead in tiny houses or cramped apartments.
Americans have this crazy notion that our Presidents have to be “likeable.” FDR wasn’t “likeable” but he–and Eleanor–understood how to take action that benefits ordinary folks.
That thing about carrying two devices has been completely debunked.
No, it hasn’t.
Listen to the “This American Life” episode from last weekend. It does a great review of the email/server debacle. I was truly shocked to learn how clueless she and her team were/are about technology. And the inefficient tech in Washington didn’t help.
It was also interesting to hear the Server already existed in her home, from Bill’s time, and she upgraded it.
The This American Life episode was very good.
I repeated a quote I saw on Twitter about how we live in a world where the least qualified man can still beat the most qualified woman. My husband replied that he didn’t think she was the most qualified woman. Yet he couldn’t name someone more qualified. I pointed out how she was freaking secretary of state. He replied, yeah but I can’t really think of anything she accomplished. Oh I don’t know, how about catching Bin Laden and the Iran deal? He still voted for her – do you all think we are just ignorant to what goes on in politics because we don’t follow it unless it is an election or is it really ingrained sexism? Can you name things John Kerry accomplished or Colin Powell? I don’t know. I’m just sad.
Hilary caught Bin Laden??? That’s a new one. Like Al Gore inventing the internet.
Are you kidding, Anonymous at 11:30am?
http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/56212671d475a5ce0f58cf43/16:9/w_1200,h_630,c_limit/mark-bowden-barack-obama-osama-bin-laden-new-york-times-magazine-jonathan-mahler.jpg
My bad: looks like Joe Biden caught Bin Laden
I’m now on the hold list at my library for the Hillbilly Ellegy book that was mentioned yesterday.
My future BIL pretty much fits into this category and is happy with the outcome. He never mentioned who he was voting for so I was slightly surprised by his reaction today. We’ve had respectful conversations about our differences of opinion and the 2nd amendment in particular. I’m glad we’ve been able to discuss it in a reasonable manner. Clearly his point of view is something I should have exposed myself to more though. I’m interested in talking to him more as we go through this.
Same, I’m on the wait list for my library.
Empathy and respect for all of our fellow citizens is what is needed right now. My facebook page is currently full of hate, from both sides.
I just picked up my copy yesterday after being on the hold list for a long time. Fortuitous timing.
I just finished reading Hillbilly Elegy. It’s a fantastic book, and as an elite WOC with a great job and stability, it did help me keep in mind that there are many more dimensions to what’s going on than just the -isms and hate. That’s a part of it, no doubt, and I’d never lie to my kids about that or diminish its importance, but the problem is that people live in bubbles and demonize each other rather than trying to understand, and that totally goes both ways. I certainly don’t excuse any of the awful things that transpired, and I’m disgusted and angry as anyone. But the point remains.
I am going to read it in hopes of gaining some understanding. Thank you.
I read it recently, too, and really enjoyed it. very thought-provoking. I sympathize with the community described in the book, but I also wonder what the solution to the culture clash the “elites” have with them is, or if there even is one. It just felt like such a vicious cycle of failing to give young people an outside perspective or a chance to choose their path. The author was briefly interviewed on NPR this morning, and was certainly less surprised at the election results than most.
On the same topic, the Cracked article that Kat pointed to yesterday is really good, despite some pretty foul language and the fact that Cracked is mainly a humor site. I haven’t read HE, but it sounds like the same basic idea. Should be required reading for anyone confused by the results today.
On the same topic, the most recent this American Life podcast episode was also helping me understand slightly better what motivated people to vote Trump. It was called “Will I know anyone at this party?”.
I listened to that this weekend. I highly recommend. Also, the New Yorker article about Clinton and Populist Revolt- cites to Hillbilly Elegy.
Yes. Can we please all try to get out of our bubble? Lumping a group of people you’ve never met and assigning them a set of characteristics based on stereotypes and saying that the worst element of their group does represents all of the group and that they are all terrible people, and refusing to try to understand where they come from, is wrong no matter what the group is.
I’m horrified and terrified, but I also understand how it happened. I place the blame on an elite system that has taken votes for granted, ignored and dismissed and derided entire swaths of the country, and on a media that refused to investigate or report or get out of their own elite bubble.
Well, to be fair, journalism has been decimated and the only things they can afford to report on are apparently celebrities, disasters and things that you can explain in 140 characters or less.
“Lumping a group of people you’ve never met and assigning them a set of characteristics based on stereotypes and saying that the worst element of their group does represents all of the group and that they are all terrible people, and refusing to try to understand where they come from, is wrong no matter what the group is.”
Like saying that Mexico is “sending all of their rapists?”
Like calling refugees terrorists?
Like advocating for a ban on Muslims?
This is what’s BS: trump supporters b*tching and whining that people are stereotyping them as racists or whatever because they’ve spent the last year behaving like racists. Trump supporters begging and simpering to be “listened to” and humanized and validated because they just want their precious jobs back while simultaneously voting for someone who is characterized by his sweeping bigoted generalizations about multiple groups of people.
Disgusting, hypocritical, and shameful.
We can all continue to scream at each other, or we can try to listen. We can keep name-calling, or we can listen and try to understand.
I despise Trump. He was disqualified in my mind the moment he legitimatized the birther movement, and has only become more disqualified with everything he said since. But, I lost. He is our next president.
So lets figure out what happened. Let’s find common ground. Let’s just not say that everyone who voted for him is a terrible person and go back to our corners and call each other names.
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I want to be clear: +1 to nasty woman!
THANK YOU FOR THIS. The same people who are calling all Mexicans rapists and all Muslims terrorists based on the actions of the small minority of those respective groups do not get to complain about being called racists because some members of their pro-Trump cohort are explicitly racist. You don’t like being lumped in with the worst elements of your group? Neither does anyone else.
100% with you s-k-s. Dehumanizing one group of people because they supported a candidate that dehumanized a lot of groups of people (which I find abhorrent!) doesn’t get us anywhere.
s-k-s, I’m not interested in platitudes. I’m not calling anyone a ‘name.’ Namecalling is calling you an @sshole or a b!tch.
Calling people out for bigotry is calling people out for bigotry. That’s not “dehumanizing.” That’s calling you out for your sexist, racist, bigoted positions. It is NOT worse to tell someone they are being a bigot than it is to BE a bigot.
“We can all continue to scream at each other, or we can try to listen. We can keep name-calling, or we can listen and try to understand.”
Try to listen? This isn’t an f’ing kindergarten class. I am so TIRED of listening to sexism and racism. I am SO TIRED of hearing the whining of white males (and whites generally) that are sad they’re losing their privilege. We’ve been listening. You have the mouthpiece. I’m tired of listening to male politicians say that women don’t deserve reproductive rights, that we’re s!uts if we have sex, that there’s such a thing as “legitimate rape,” that climate change isn’t real, that women don’t deserve maternity leave of any variety, that gay people shouldn’t be allowed to get married, that a *corporation’s* “christian beliefs” are more important than my right to have my healthcare needs met. I’m not interested in “common ground” yet. I’m not interested in finding common ground with a person who thinks its ok to sexually assault women. Screw it. No. Hardpass.
And you know I never said that “everyone who voted for him is a terrible person.” Don’t put words in my mouth.
Trump wants to REGISTER people based on their religion. Does no one see scary overtones in this???
You know what, no. I’m not going to “listen” to people who think I don’t have a right to live. I have no obligation to listen to their opinions- they are not worthy of my respect. I do not have to “love” people whose vote could literally kill me. I do not have to try to “understand” racism, because racism is not something where there are two sides. They don’t get to be terrible, disgusting, deplorable people for 18 months and then suddenly be like “oh wah wah wah people are being MEAN TO US!” I wonder what the HELL that feels like?
To be fair, we’re saying they voted and supported the worst element of their group, so technically he is representing them.
In addition to Hillbilly Elegy, check out the writings of Sarah Kendzior (twitter and other places). She saw last night coming a long time ago.
I will, thanks.
Don’t mourn*; Organize.” – Joe Hill
*Mourn a little
I’m in the UK. My mantra since June has been “Mourn. Stay angry. Campaign” plus “when they go low, we go high” from Michelle Obama.
for me, “get real, I’m made of steel, this is nothing” works best!
I’m wondering of the people who were so smug the last 8 years (not all who voted for Obama / the Democrats were of course, but there were some) are feeling the same horror now that I’ve felt for the last 8 years.
Maybe this will be the wake up that the Democrats need. People outside of cities, people in rural areas, people who didn’t go to college, people who grew up on the reservation like I did. We have voices too and won’t be ignored. If you don’t listen to us than this what happens.
Probably, but what horrifies me is that the winner never addressed these issues himself, so how can anyone have confidnce that he has the wherewithall to deal with them?
I don’t think people had confidence in him to do any of these things, but I think a lot of people don’t know what to expect from him while they DID have confidence that Hillary wouldn’t change anything about how these people’s issues are dealt with.
Is that really enough?
What I’ve been curious about is if the group of people that you are talking about (people outside of cities, people in rural areas, etc.) actually believe that Trump will improve the economy for those areas specifically or just appreciate the fact that he appeared to care?
#nevertrump here, but I have a lot of family in Trump country supporting him.
I believe it’s far more of the latter than the former, but the latter is a powerful, powerful thing. It can’t be underestimated (duh. clearly. look where we are today). Much like Obama ran on a feeling of ‘hope’, Trump ran on a feeling of ‘the ol’ days’. It’s powerful to feel disenfranchised and suddenly have a perceived outsider come swooping in and speak to your emotional core, and promise change (Obama did the same). The difference is in the execution, and that’s what the next four years are about.
darn it’ — ‘the GOOD ol’ days’
I can’t speak for everyone, but around here it was that he was the first politician who appeared to care. Since I’ve been a teenager and old enough to pay attention, there hasn’t been a politician from any party who has bothered to come and do rallies here and talk to us. We never even had the “benefit” of a politician pretending to care around election time and then disappearing for 4 years. People where I grew up have always been so separated and disenfranchised from the political system and then Trump actually showed up and talked to people. That’s why so many here voted for him. I am the first in my family to attend school beyond high school (and one of the few who graduated high school to begin with) and even when I was in college I had people either assume they knew what was best for me or outright assumed I would be voting Democrat and there was no need to court me. Again this was just my experience of what happened in the election.
Thanks for sharing this. The drivers for this result are complex, and won’t be solved by shrieking “racist!” at anyone that disagrees with your political opinion.
Who won this election? Certainly not the Democrats, and the Republican party may never recover. For me, in the long run, this may be a good thing for US citizens. We’ve opened the lid, found that none of us like what is inside, and now we can face it and fix it. My hope is that this election forces us to do so in so inclusively, even with those whose opinions differ from ours.
That’s fair, but how often do you out-vote your senators and representatives?
Yes! There are senators and representatives in all of these areas. If they weren’t helping you, don’t keep voting for them!
Many people here have not voted here in years or decades because they felt so ignored and left behind (or because there were unable to get the proper ID etc.). I know that here at least people turned out in record numbers to vote and there was lots of encouragement for it and help for people to get proper documentation. Trump coming and talking to people galvanized a lot of people here who otherwise would not have voted.
I have no sympathy for people who don’t vote or don’t get involved to make the changes they want to see.
I guess people on the reservation are lazy and the system isn’t totally stacked against them. Also heaven forbid that they feel disenfranchised because no candidates comes to talk to them or show care about their issues. Black people like me have faced similar issues and are still to this day (I live in North Carolina). Do you feel that way about us as well? I didn’t vote for Trump but your post smacks of privilege and elitism.
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Thank you for writing this. It helps us understand in part what happened yesterday.
Thank you for sharing. As a WOC city mouse, I have noticed that poor white people are discussed, but generally in discussions of race to derail them and change to a class-based focus.
However, there are tons of representatives, both at the state and federal level who represent primarily rural districts. What do their constituents think about them?
You know what? That’s fair. I can’t understand how any person believes that Trump is somehow the answer, but yes – there are voices out there that I was apparently completely unaware of.
I hope for you that Trump gives you what you think he will.
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And what did Trump offer these groups other than an outlet for their anger?
There are people where I grew up who have been eligible to vote for decades and have been ignored by politicians of both parties that entire time. Then in this election a candidate actually came and did rallies here and talked to people. When you have been separated from the political system your entire life that’s a powerful thing.
He offered them the comfort of knowing that no matter what happens in this country he won’t let them become second class citizens to people in minority groups. I know that’s cynical, but I think a lot of this is “Well, at least I’m not Enemy #1 in Trump’s America. Someone else is.”
Although this gives me The Sads, I have to applaud you because this is the realest comment of the day. We shall see if it comes to fruition, though. At the end of the day, Trump is still the 1%.
Tale as old as slavery, wherein rich, elite slaveowners pitted poor whites and slaves against each other for the profit of themselves. Everyone Trump insulted is angry now because they see the injustice now. The working class white Americans who long for when America was ‘great’ are in for a rude awakening because he’s not going to actually help them. They will be just as angry and frustrated later. (Although you cannot discount a presidential candidate legitimizing feelings of anger and frustration, even to the point that they safely blame people of color… because I don’t know how else you say the n-word in front of others and not be ashamed of yourself.) When he said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue it was the truest thing he said.
I understand people felt someone heard them for the first time. But I think it’s just plain absurd to think he can actually help them. (He has no experience governing after all and only looks after his own interests until he declares bankruptcy and starts all over again.)
But that’s so horrible. Because they just want someone else to be a second class citizen by that logic?
I remember reading about an experiment where people were asked if they’d rather have a 2000 sq. ft house if it was the biggest of all their neighbors or a 4000 sq ft house but everyone else had 6000 sq. ft, and the vast majority opted for 2000 sq. ft. as long as everyone around them had less. How disappointing.
I don’t know what to make of this election but clearly there are a lot of angry people who would rather just blow up the system (fine) and who are angry especially at not feeling like they’re not on top of the pyramid (sad).
Oh I 100% agree that it’s wrong. It’s sexism, racism, homophobia and xenophobia. But they’re trying to legitimize it by saying it’s not about race, gender, sexual orientation, immigration status, etc, it’s about “making America great again.” People who voted for Trump may genuinely feel left behind, ignored, and disenfranchised, but it’s because they’re seeing people in minority groups becoming increasingly heard and with more access to the same rights whites enjoy.
I am not saying that this isn’t the case and I certainly don’t disagree, but the people in my situation are not white. They felt ignored for years and decades even until Trump came along and actually talked to people here. So while you are right for some situations, there were cases where people voted for him because they felt ignored and not because of race or them wanting to be better or ahead of anyone.
That’s exactly what he offers. How do you think the Nazis happened? People were angry and wanted to be hateful. The Nazis created the platform for it. Trump is doing the same.
I get it: vote the bums out.
I think people get complacent and just expect votes. You want your vote to be earned (and re-earned).
Honestly, looking at the numbers and trying to be rational … its turnout. Hillary didn’t turn out voters. Trump did. The country is really no different than the country that voted for Obama twice. Obama turned out more supporters than his opponents. Trump turned out more supporters than his opponent.
You grew up on the reservation and voted for a man who campaigned on hating brown people?
FYI not all people of Native decent are “brown people”. And it’s still insulting to use that terminology whether someone has brown skin or not. There are other words that can be used to describe the people that Donald Trump hates.
(Source: Native woman with non-broen skin who grew up on a reservation in Canada)
*non-brown*
I’m a light skinned Native and have no problem with the term “brown people” to describe us. Suspect it may be different in Canada because, from what I understand, the political language is about “visible minorities” and First Nations are separate.
I have no problem with people who live in rural areas, who did not go to college, or who grew up on a reservation. I do have a problem with people who are racist, sexist, and uneducated. Not going to college is not an excuse for being ill informed. Trump actually bragged about sexually assaulting women and the fact that he “got away with it” because he has money. He is a danger to women and minorities. Also, very few people who voted for Trump used their voice prior to the election. Apparently they were too embarrassed to admit that they would vote for someone like him. I’m horrified and concerned about the loss of civil rights and reproductive rights not my bank account.
I am just devastated today. I think the hardest part of it is knowing that there are so many people out there who I didn’t know before are OK with racism and sexism. There are obviously so many women who were never taught that they deserve better than a man who thinks they are his property (but only if they’re pretty enough and not fat). It makes me sick to hear my teen daughters’ friends parrot what they have heard from their parents. I know we are supposed to move forward, but how???? I can’t even look at the people I know IRL who didn’t broadcast their political views but showed up on my Facebook feed as “liking” utterly offensive political memes, etc. If it matters, I am not even a diehard Democrat. I voted for McCain and Romney, although I never felt devastated when Obama won and grew to adore him and FLOTUS. I voted for several Republicans, including a senator, yesterday. This is so far beyond political parties.
I’ll completely welcome someone telling me I am crazy to be so devastated.
I’m not going to tell you how to feel or tell you your feelings are wrong. I suggest that you move forward by standing up for what you believe in. Educating people in a respectful and empathetic way. Learning about other’s situations that are different than yours to better understand how this happened. Volunteering. Supporting those whose rights may be in danger. Getting involved in local politics. I am frustrated by a lot of what I perceive to be people giving up and being hopeless. I don’t think it’s hopeless, but it could be if everyone throws their hands up in the air in disgust and gives up.
I will tell you that I am not surprised by this result based on my experiences in rural areas where the residents feel the country has forgotten them. Anyone that thought Hillary was a shoe-in was a bit disillusioned.
You can do all of the things you mentioned and still have it come to this. Ask me and my friends how we know.
I don’t disagree with you. That doesn’t mean I think we should stop doing it.
I think the continuation of those things needs to be paired with a better understanding of the true lives of people outside our own bubbles. I don’t think it’s enough to fight just for what you believe in and against what you think is wrong. I think that needs to be paired with understanding how the people came to believe what you think is wrong and how best to help and educate them as well.
Perhaps I am being overly optimistic, but it seems like a better alternative to me than being devastated. I refuse to let Trump take that much control over my emotions.
My political leanings seem similar to yours, and I am also devastated. While I would have been disappointed, I would not have felt so horrified if most of the other Republican candidates this cycle had won — while I disagreed with their policies, at least they were not as outwardly unhinged as Trump.
You’re not. I am too. And I’m also struggling with the people I know IRL who supported Trump. I cried this morning.
Also, I’ve voted Democrat in every election, and I was disappointed that Bush won, but never for one second did I think he was a “bad” person. And while I voted for Obama twice, I would have been fine with McCain or Romney. This feels worse.
You are not crazy to be devastated. I live in a very blue state and know very few people who openly support Trump. However, despite our absolute horror and fear, we must work together and take action to prevent Trump from infringing on civil rights. I was petrified of a Trump presidency, Republican Legislature, and an eventual conservative Judiciary. The only thing I could think of last night was to immediately donate to the ACLU and Planned Parenthood. Those are the organizations that will work to protect our rights. I urge everyone else to get involved and speak out. If anyone has any other suggestions, I’m all ears. Also, sorry for any typos. I couldn’t sleep last night. I have no idea how I will get through this day.
I plan on getting subscriptions to the NY Times, the Washington Post, and my local paper (along with continuing to support NPR, which i already do), because I think investigative journalism and a strong press is going to be increasingly important, and in the past I’ve pretty much stuck with online sites of tv news (CBS, BBC, etc).
Gail, I was thinking the same thing. I’m starting with my hometown paper.
+1 million
housecounsel, I’m right there with you. My kids are both younger than 5, but I am devastated to think they’ll grow up for at least the next 4 years with this as the backdrop. I can focus on the small things, like saying I’ll stand up for those who are targeted. But both sides of their extended families are positively giddy about this win. Family members who I thought were reasonable liked memes that denigrated huge swaths of people. I’m devastated that I have learned this about them, that I was so wrong about who I thought they were. I don’t know how to move forward on this.
I am an American from a Muslim family (my father’s side of the family is American — midwestern all the way) and my mother’s side of the family is from the Middle East.
I cannot even describe right now the terror I feel at the prospect of a president who proposed putting “Muslims” on a registry. I honestly wish I could meet a Trump supporter right now (blue state, so I’ve never actually met one in real life) and have them defend their candidate to me. Tell me, exactly, how it is that your desire to “shake things up” (with your median 72K/year salary) and “stick it to the establishment” could possibly justify your decision.
I’m not the “other.” I am American, and I don’t know any other country.
My sister-in-law is Turkish, Muslim and a naturalized US citizen. My brother is in the military and they are currently overseas. My niece, their daughter, is terrified that they won’t be able to come back to the US because her mother won’t be allowed in. Because of her religion.
Presidential election results should not be giving little girls nightmares, is all I’m saying.
I’m jealous. I unfortunately know a lot of Trump supporters and they will tell you that what Trump said was just talk and he doesn’t mean it. From what I’ve experienced, Trump supporters do not like to engage with the facts. They are also very willing to overlook, excuse, and rationalize hateful language so long as the hateful language is not directed at them.
My Trump-supporting father just engages with completely different facts than I do. For him, reading something on Breitbart or an alt-right conspiracy blog that doesn’t appear in the Post or NYT is proof that it’s true, because the liberal mainstream media is trying to suppress “the facts.” Of course, the story of the day isn’t in the NYT because it’s a crock of BS and real journalists adhere to certain standards of honesty. But it’s his truth.
“For him, reading something on Breitbart or an alt-right conspiracy blog that doesn’t appear in the Post or NYT is proof that it’s true, because the liberal mainstream media is trying to suppress “the facts.”
In my opinion, this is one of the biggest successes of the right’s messaging in recent years and one of the biggest problems we face going forward.
When you have people convinced that they can discard facts, information, and reasoning because they believe it comes from a “biased” source that is “lying” to them, then you can get them to believe anything. There is no check on the lies that you can feed them.
My otherwise brilliant and highly educated grandparents are like this. They are on a steady diet of Fox News, Drudge, Brietbart, etc. Discussing issues with them is like arguing about whether the sky is blue.
I see the same thing with all of this crowing about “the establishment.” If you can convince people not to trust anything said by someone because that someone is “part of the establishment,” without applying any other reasoning, you can get them to believe anything.
It doesn’t mean that there’s not room to be skeptical of both the media and “the establishment.” But the extreme has produced what we now see.
Can you explain to me how rolling back marriage equality helps those people, in our non-religious, secular government?
I actually think that’s what’s wrong with our politics, or maybe our country more generally. The polity shouldn’t be SO divided that every single time there’s a presidential election, half the country goes into deep mourning. If the United States really are that divided, then maybe it’s time to think about whether the United States would be better off as 2-4 countries, instead.
Yesterday there was a request for books on the topic of women’s suffrage. Amazon was a bust on the search, so I started by finding ebooks that were available at my library. I couldn’t find any books about Elizabeth Cady Stanton and only 2 about Susan B. Anthony, 1 of which was aimed at young adults. I’m on the hold list for both of those.
I did check out and start reading Anna Howard Shaw: The Work of Woman Suffrage by Trisha Franzen. I’d never heard of her before. The book is interesting so far and she seems to be an intriguing figure. The introduction suggests that there will be a lot of discussion of the intersection of racism and suffrage. I’m only about 10% into the book but I’d recommend it based on what I’ve read so far.
I think there is a gap here in the books written about these women and the suffrage movement. Perhaps that will change since we are less than 4 years away from the 100th anniversary of the 19th Amendment. It is definitely a topic that I’ll be digging into more.
I found this book referenced in the Wikipedia article on Women’s SufferageL: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0252071735/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1.
I also have this book on Elizabeth Cady Stanton at home for my daughter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312602367/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Here’s one about Stanton. I get all my good recs from A Mighty Girl, which is a fantastic website for girls.
http://www.amightygirl.com/you-want-women-to-vote-lizzie-stanton
Not so much about the suffrage movement but I’m reading Claire Harman’s new biography of Charlotte Bronte at the moment and loving it. There’s also Romantic Outlaws which is a biography of both Mary Wollstonecraft and Mary Shelley.
Thanks for this recommendation… off to Amazon I go!
Thanks. I’m adding these to my list to read.
Not specifically on the suffrage movement – but Gail Collins book “America’s Women: 400 years of Dolls, Drudges, Helpmates, and Heroines” is a truly awesome book in terms of getting context on the cylclical ways advances really happened for women. I have given copies to a few people. It also makes me feel less sad when things are going badly. It reminds me that there are setbacks, but progress is still steadily moving forward.
That was me! Thank you, all. We need these books now, more than ever.
In light of recent events I would like to prioritize hiring a woman at my small law firm as our next hire. I’m the only lady out of three partners and our associates are predominately male. In our area most lawyers past 5 years call are men so none of this is unusual.
In the past we’ve always hired the best candidate when we need to and we’ve never advertised.
Overwhelmingly we receive resumes from men for associate positions (all unsolicited). What are some of the ways you go about trying to get more female applicants?
Recruit from women’s organizations. If there’s a professional women’s networking group in your area, work with them to advertise the opportunity to their membership.
Agreed. Also talk to senior women in your area of law about the job opening and ask if they know anyone interested in making a move.
Are job postings on University careers boards a thing where you’re based? Try that, especially women’s colleges.
I know it can be tough to deal with the fee, but reach out to good female recruiters! I’ve gotten most of my jobs (except my clerkship) through recruiters who actively solicited me for openings after meeting me at a networking event or finding me on LinkedIn or through one of my article for the local bar journal.
If you truly can’t afford a recruiter, use those tactics yourself – look for the associates “co-writing” (aka, actually writing) bar journal articles, go to networking events, contact colleagues and ask them to connect you with female associates they’ve worked with (or even against, one of my referrals once came through someone who was opposing counsel to me and was impressed with my work!), and then reach out to those women proactively and invite them to apply.
The thing with recruiting women is that, in general, we’ve been socialized to believe that we have to be invited in to predominantly male spaces (which is why your pile of unsolicited resumes is all male, and, I would bet, predominantly white) – it is the rare woman who will cold-call (or cold-email, I guess) a firm in search of a job when there is no posted opening, so if you want to work with more women, you need to invite them in!
Your firm isn’t located in Chicago by chance is it?:)
I kind of want to disinvite my Trump-supporter relatives from Thanksgiving. Petty, maybe, but I’m married to a Mexican. Feel free to talk me off the ledge, but I don’t know how i can be polite.
I’m talking to *all* of my relatives ahead of Thanksgiving to let them know it’s going to be a politics-free zone. My family is all Trump supporters. My husband’s is all Clinton supporters. Nothing good can come of it, so we’re all going to be civil and polite and talk about football and the weather and how cute the grandkids are.
Yep. I hosting at my house and providing all the food so I feel justified in laying down some ground rules, the first and foremost of which is mo political talk or political adjacent talk. Everyone will be aware of this beforehand. DH and I plan to inject loud conversation about the weather over anyone who breaks the rule he first time. Second time, you get openly called out on it. Third time, I hand you a plate of food and show you the door.
Me too. I am not religious but 50% of my extended family is Muslim. Unfortunately I’m married to someone who voted Trump.
I’m a Jewish woman currently dating a Muslim immigrant. I’m frightened.
How are you still married to a trump supporter? How can you be married to a person who hates your family?
Well, Washington is playing Dallas. There’s always that.
I want to boycott my Trump-supporting inlaws’ 5-day 50th wedding anniversary extravaganza, which will require taking my kids out of school for 3 days and traveling 500 miles in mid-December. (This is unreasonable right, leaving politics aside?)
So, I’m right there with you.
Yes, this is unreasonable. No way I would take my child out of school for a party.
I wish it were just a party. They plan to rent a lodge at a national park (near no one’s home) and expect all of their children and families to show up for 5 days. With 5 weeks notice.
Unreasonable. I wouldn’t go, even if they had voted for Hillary in a red state.
My grandparents did this for their 50th (luckily their anniversary is in the summer) and it was great. It’s unreasonable…. but horrible politics aside, I’d go. You only have so many years with older relatives.
OMG I would so go to a lodge in a national park. Can I take your place???
Blame the market downturn.
I am struggling with this too, as I am fairly certain that most of my in-laws voted for Trump. I plan to go and if they discuss actual politics (NAFTA, tax policy, etc.) more power to them (this is unlikely though because I am pretty positive none of them actually understand NAFTA or tax policy), but racism, xenophobia, etc. (which are highly likely to come up in conversation) will not be discussed in front of me or my child. It will be at their house, so if they can’t abide by this we will leave. This was my policy before Trump was elected, so I will just continue with it.
I can’t help you, because my husband is now already on the edge about my parents visiting at the end of the year, and that is even further down the road. You aren’t alone. Moving forward constructively is tough.
Particularly if it’s entry-level, contact your alma mater (perhaps the Career Development Office) and ask them to put you in touch with the leaders of their Women Law Students Association.
In an age where we unfriend, unfollow, and block views different from our own, we need to move forward because we really are stronger together. Empathy, empathy, empathy.
+1000
I think this was touched upon in the comments above but thought maybe a separate thread would be good. I am feeling incredibly disappointed in women. I just can’t understand how women could have voted for this man and it makes me think to a general something I’ve noticed and that’s that women are often the worst enemy of women. Now, I know there are some who will say they would have voted for another woman, that HRC is corrupt or awful or whatever. I think that’s bullsh*t because he offered no comprehensive policies on any subject and is at least as “corrupt” by any metric you apply to her. But it makes me think back to negotiating my maternity leave, where no one was more hostile to my taking leave than other women who “did it without accommodation” and don’t see why I would want to be “compensated for my time off.” I could point to countless more examples. Anyway … I’m feeling pretty down about my gender as whole and would appreciate some thoughts from the hive.
I so agree with this. I honestly didn’t even consider a Trump victory because I didn’t think any woman or minority would vote for him. Clearly I was wrong.
People are sick of the status quo. Hillary promised four more years of Obama’s policies. A lot of people voted against that, not necessarily against a woman or for an [insert string of derogatory remarks] man.
This argument makes no sense. Obama has 55% approval ratings. Hillary and Trump were both consistently in the 30s throughout the entire campaign. People may have been voting against the “establishment” (although LOL that a white male family-made billionaire is not establishment) but they were not voting against Obama’s policies.
They were not voting against actual policies, but their perceptions of his policies, I think. I have a facebook “friend” (from high school) who actually posted that she is glad Trump won because now she won’t get kicked out of her house so a refugee can live there for free. I mean, I think she honestly thought that was a risk in real life. What can you even do to combat that level of cluelessness?
Getting kicked out of her house so a refugee can live there for free is about as realistic as people being made to register because of their religion, huh?
His approval rating had been tanking throughout his presidency basically until the start of 2016. He hasn’t gotten much done recently due to political gridlock in Washington and the failure of the ACA, his signature legislation and what I think he hoped to be the main piece of his legacy, to actually provide affordable healthcare. Diplomacy is failing left and right and we haven’t had any notable success fighting ISIS.
In my opinion, the recent improvement in his approval rating is mostly due to the ugliness of the election season and how bad it made both candidates look. Grass is always greener…
Eh, terrible people come in all sexes, races, colors, religions. I blame everyone who voted for Trump. Women didn’t vote for Trump as much as men voted for him, so I don’t think you can blame this election result on women being the worst enemy of other women. Uneducated white men turned out in droves and elected him. The fact that some women and minorities also supported him is not what led to this result.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/11/09/white_women_sold_out_the_sisterhood_and_the_world_by_voting_for_trump.html
+1
It’s girl-on-girl crime a la mean girls. While we’ve made strides in supporting each other, there are plenty of women who are still more likely to tear another woman down than to help her up. We believe there isn’t enough room for us all to succeed and therefore snark at each other, denigrate each other, require a higher standard of each other than we do men. Use this as a reminder to be a better mentor, colleague, friend to other women.
Maybe someone voted for *another* woman who was running. There were more than two people on the ballot.
If you voted for Dr. Stein in a state that went for Trump, you voted for Trump. Her slogan was “don’t let the lesser evil stand in the way of the greater good.” Really???? How is Trump being president in any way for the greater good of the things that SHE believes in? How about let’s all grow up and not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Internalized sexism is a real thing.
I loathe Donald Trump. For a year, I did what I could to stop him, donating time and money to other candidates who had a shot of beating him in the primaries, and then doing what I could to try to secure delegates for Cruz in case it came to a brokered convention.
It hurt to see so shortly after 2014, the year in which the Republican party, my party, absolutely kicked butt with a slate of young, diverse, and talented candidates. From a black congresswoman in Utah (and the daughter of immigrants!) to the disabled governor of Texas, the sharp and driven Lt. Gov of Massachusetts… it was a sweep both for the GOP and within the GOP. It showed how conservative ideas appeal to people from all walks of life, a big tent that accommodates a lot of people without compromising principles.
Then Trump happened.
I wish I had understood sooner (although I picked up on it sometime in the spring) how one constituency was overlooked by us, as well as the Democrats: the working class. The people who are usually too busy with their lives to think about policy or vote more than sporadically, who had been content for decades to leave the policy-making up to other people.
This was their election. I could not disagree more with their vehicle to accomplish “can you hear me now,” but it was the only one they had.
Trump won by turning out historic non-voters in droves. He did it without a sophisticated, data-driven GOTV machine.
That warrants me listening. I hope the rest of you do, too, because calling them deplorable only fueled the fire.
Bridget, this is very well stated. I agree, the white working class has been left behind. We vastly underestimated the extent of their resentment and anger.
I don’t agree with everything you said but I appreciate your perspective. Thank you for this information.
Is anyone planning on changing relationships in real life based on this election, particularly if those people have advertised homophobic, racist, misogynistic, etc. beliefs? Do you continue to spend time with them in hopes of changing their beliefs? I have no desire to associate with people with these beliefs, but I don’t see how anything will change if everyone chooses to “cut these people off.” I am really struggling with this. As an example, my hairdresser is an acquaintance of mine and her husband is one of the most racist, misogynistic and homophobic people I know. Do I get a new hair dresser? I don’t see how I am going to sway her beliefs during my quarterly haircut (fwiw we don’t discuss anything serious during haircuts anyway) and putting money into this family’s pocket knowing what they support is really difficult for me.
Not relationships with people (I firmly believe in killing people with kindness) but I’m changing my consumer behaviour. I now won’t support Wetherspoons or Dyson (Brexit) and I refuse to go to see the new Harry Potter film (Johnny Depp)
As much as I would like to cut people off, that will not do any good. I don’t spend money at companies that have different political views, ie: Ivanka Trump, Hobby Lobby. But as far as personal relationships go, I wont completely disassociate with them. As far as your hairdresser, I might switch.
I’m sorry. This can’t be real. You would stop seeing your hairdresser because you disagree with her HUSBAND on politics?
Maybe, just maybe, we should all realize that life is more than politics and political opinions and just try to be good people.
She said he is racist, homophobic and sexist. Not that this is about politics.
So you’re ok with people not voting for Hillary because they disagree with Bill Clinton’s actions? Same thing.
If it’s only that reason, and not the election, than she should have “broken up” with her hairdresser long ago.
This. i’m pretty sure one of my good friends, who lives in a swing state, voted semi-reluctantly for Trump. I was texting with her last night and she said something about at least liking Pence. My response was “I kind of hate both of them, but I still love you.” We have done a lot of traveling together, and have a lot of overlapping hobbies, but she’s from a much more rural area than I am, and has a different world view, but she’s nice. We have a lot of mutual friends who are POC or LGBTQ, and I’ve never known her to disrespect them. I still enjoy her company. We have never, in 10 years, talked politics before last night, and probably won’t again. I just don’t think you need to go there in every relationship. Its disappointing that she doesn’t feel the need to stand up to bigotry at a national election, but she gets it right at a personal level, and that’s really the bar for me. I wouldn’t spend time with people actively spouting hatred.
We will punish women for every possible thing in this country.
some immediate thoughts
-she is not actually responsible for her husbands view
-not seeking out people who say stuff that upsets you is obv your right
-not wanting to put money in their pockets? You are not making a donation, they are providing a service that you pay for. As a sentiment, it’s awfully close to denying people with certain views to work for their living. Nothing good has ever come of that.
Maybe I’m suspicious/wary of one or two of the Trump supporters I know because of things they’ve said.
But 90+% of my college friends are liberal, and I’m more angry at those ultra-liberal friends who were completely uncompromising about anything and would attack anyone who dared to say they wanted to vote for someone other than Hillary. They were just nasty and unrelenting and vicious and obnoxious. Not respecting the fact that someone (and in fact a majority of the electorate) may have a different opinion than you is what is really making me mad and rethinking my association with them.
My answer to your question about changing relationships bc of this election is…sort of. I am a white Republican woman who was appalled by Trump. I do not agree with most of Hillary’s policies but if I still lived in a swing state I would’ve held my nose and voted for her. I had the luxury of casting a write-in vote bc I live in a heavily blue state so it really didn’t matter. The only open Trump supporter I know is my BFF from HS and our relationship is not close anymore. I don’t foresee it changing. I am used to having a lot of democrats as friends and colleagues and generally the differences in our political ideologies have never been an issue. We respectfully disagree. I did lose one good friend due to political tensions after the 2000 race and looking back, I regret it. Looking back, we were both at fault and pretty intolerant of each other. I miss her.
However, I will be changing one very important relationship – not entirely due to this election, though the election did bring some key issues to light for me. A few weeks ago I filed for divorce. There were a number of very big issues at play, most of which had nothing to do with the election. However, Trump’s treatment of women in general and Hillary in particular really brought to light my spouse’s misogyny. He claims he doesn’t support Trump, but he is a republican and a political news junkie and has watched more coverage of this election than most people I know. In the past year he has increasingly placed more and more blame on “those b$&@?%s” at work and other severely concerning remarks about women in general. He does not see anything wrong in Trump’s comments about women. Trump’s dismissive treatment of women in so many ways resembles my husband’s attitude toward me. Politically, I still do not like Hillary. But as a woman…I greatly admire how she stood up for herself and for other women throughout her lifetime. In a crazy and completely unexpected way, she inspired and empowered me. Never once did I believe she would lose and I am as worried about the future of our country as many of the Hillary supporters posting here today. Again, the election is far from my only reason for divorce but it certainly illuminated some aspects of my spouse that I no longer wish to be subjected to.
I am sorry you have to go through this. Sending you good thoughts!
+1. I wish you only the best in moving on with your life.
I am sorry you are going through this. Sending you good thoughts!
I am sorry that you are going through this. Stay strong!
Thank you all. I appreciate it. I should clarify that while the misogyny is what affected me personally the most, my disgust for Trump is based on all of his hate-mongering, not just against women. And I saw that type of hate become more and more open in my own home. These are not beliefs I can allow my daughter to grow up believing are acceptable. And yet any dissenting opinion I voiced was promptly squashed. I feel strong for taking action to free myself and my daughter from the situation though I worry about how I can minimize the future impact of his disgusting views on her. As for those who voted Trump in despite all the hate, I am trying to be optimistic that it will somehow be kept in check and live and kindness will prevail. But I have the luxury of optimism because I am white, Christian, and not disabled. I am also appalled at the Republican politicians who supported Trump and I question whether there this will be the party for me moving forward. It has been an illuminating election for me personally to say the least.
Hugs.
Kudos for having the courage to take this big step. Sending good vibes.
So, I’m fascinated how nobody saw this coming (inc me). I’ve heard mixed coverage but can anyone point me to an explaination on how the polls were so, so wrong? I heard higher than expected white noncollege educated make turnout- was that the *only* problem? Especially in states like WI.
I am a Yankee republican in a dark blue state and bough i really hated it, I favored for HRC. I felt ill last night watching trump inch closer to victory. But the looks on all the commentator/pundits faces (inc the republican)…it was like nobody had any idea.
I think there were a lot of people who didn’t want to admit to voting for Donald Trump that did vote for him. So.. they were too ashamed to associate themselves with him, but more than willing to elect him to our highest office.
+1
This was my fear throughout the lead-up to the election, and is, I believe, what happened.
It’s like the Bradley effect. But with voting for an a**hole instead of not voting for an African American.
I also think there were a lot of people who fell in the undecided category. I cannot tell you how many people I met who didn’t make up their minds until they were standing in the voting booth. I would assume this portion of the population skewed the polls as well, changing how they responded based on the day they were polled.
Jake Tapper said something last night about when he was visiting a shop in a swing state. The shop owner said a lot of people he’s met are “leaners”…they’ll lean over the counter and quietly tell him that they’re voting for Trumpf.
Polls are adjusted or conducted based on historic turnout to try to mirror the voter pool – i.e., if non-college whites typically make up 15% of the voters, they make up 15% of the poll. But this year they came out in higher numbers.
Also, Hillary was assumed to be winning in WI, MI and PA. So voters stayed home. Ooops.
That’s what I heard last night- but was it just higher turnout for the segment that supported trump? No other factors at play? I don’t mean anything nefarious, but it seems like trump did unexpectedly well (compared to Romney) in segments like blacks, Asians, etc.
Higher turnouts than expected from the Trump bases (rural voters, non-college voters, etc) and far lower turnout from urban voters in swing states – that’s how Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc went red. A huge portion of people that turned out to vote for Obama that hadn’t voted in the past didn’t turn out this election.
I really think all the polls like 538 saying Hillary Clinton had it wrapped up also did a great disservice, as it let too many people sit back and assume things were going to go their way.
I’m sad, but I can’t say that I’m super surprised that the pre-election polls were wrong -there were just too many variables to bring into account, and so many states that were so darn close.
Scott Adams and Michael Moore called it. Several of my friends called it a year ago (including the “wow, that state actually flipped” states).
As an aside, Connecticut was within seven points, if I’m not completely hallucinating.
In Cincinnati today, we are waiting on the verdict in the murder trial of the police officer who shot Sam DuBose.
My home state voted to reintroduce the death penalty yesterday. The state where I attended college and grad school voted against legalizing marijuana and has some of the toughest penalties in the country for it. I’m devastated for things beyond Trump winning.
Omg, what state is this?? Also, regardless of what Trump does in office, I’m frightened that so many people voted for him and share his values.
Nebraska voted to reintroduce the death penalty. I was born here and have lived here my entire life except for the six years I attended college and grad school. I lived in Arizona for those six years and it is my second home. Arizona voted to reject marijuana legalization. I love both places so much and am devastated that this is what happened.
Nebraska voted to re-introduce the death penalty. My extended family voted to re-instate the death penalty because they were peeved that the legislature was able to repeal it without a vote of the people.
If the initial repeal of the death penalty had been by vote of the people and not by vote of the legislature, I think the result could have been different.
Fellow Nebraskan? I’m feeling sadness on that one, as well.
Agreed. It’s really hard to reconcile how Nebraskans could vote for Trump on pro-life issues, but then turn around and vote to reinstate the death penalty.
Former Nebraska resident. I believe the wording on the NE ballot for the death penalty was the down fall. The use of “retain” and “repeal” was really tricky and unfortunate.
See, but at the same time, the ballot was very clear in explaining what each meant. As long as people read the ballot, I think they had full understanding of what their vote was achieving.
Agree, ballot language was clear. I almost cried when I saw that result this morning.
So, has anyone seen this list of people Trump (Drumpf!) is allegedly considering for his cabinet:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/who-is-in-president-trump-cabinet-231071
People have said that hopefully he would surround himself with informed people, but this list is scary. Sarah Palin? Newt? Giuliani? Donald Trump Jr?
Not to mention eliminating the Departments of Education and EPA…
I did. I thought i couldn’t be more horrified, but I was wrong. A climate skeptic as head of the epa. Palin or the co-founder of Lucas oil as interior sec. Goldman Sachs in charge of the treasury. Giuliani as attorney general. Horrifying.
Goldman Sachs has been in change of the Treasury for a long time.
I wonder if this is the sort of roster Trump voters expected? I don’t know a lot of Southern Republicans who would see Giuliani or Christie favorably…
He announced it before the election. Anyone who is surprised but voted for him does not have my sympathy.
Right. Christie has been his “transition” chief for some time now, and Giuliani has been one of his most aggressive surrogates, one who will say anything and seems increasingly unhinged (“There were no terrorist attacks in the US before Obama!” “Hillary wasn’t at Ground Zero!”) and mean-spirited. If Southern Republicans didn’t know these Yankees were aligned with Trump, they weren’t paying attention or didn’t care. Probably both
Relax. The media has literally struck out this election. No doubt some of those names will be in the mix, but good lord – just wait for facts, please.
I work in Higher Ed. Eliminating the Department of Education is pretty scary…
His proposed most of these names before so I don’t think it’s wild speculation. Nothing on this list is terribly surprising to me.
Anyone who thinks the EPA should be eliminated needs to go spend time in Beijing or similar city, because never have I been so happy to have the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts as when I visited Beijing and it looked like it had snowed because of all the grit/soot on the trees and you can’t drink the tap water.
When has Trump visited Beijing or similar city? (How about his buddies Gingrich, Giuliani, Christie?) Trump made the Birther hogwash seem like the truth. He repeated the lie over and over and over. Facts don’t mean anything to him and his ilk, and many of his supporters are too uneducated to ask good questions. These are the people who don’t think “creation science” is an oxymoron.
Genuinely do not understand how Michigan voters can support someone who does not fully support the EPA and its mandate for clean water after Flint.
Prior to August 2008, Sarah Palin was considered one of the nation’s foremost energy experts in political office. Aside from her considerable work in Alaska (both in oil and in renewables), she chaired the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission (made up of 33 states?).
I do not understand how it’s okay to denigrate Gov. Palin’s considerable accomplishments in Alaska. No one has to agree with her, but suggesting that she’s a lightweight in energy is just wrong.
Well, for one thing, she would be in favor of getting rid of the Department of Energy.. so…
The GOP’s 2008 vice presidential nominee then took an unusual stance toward the department she positioned herself to lead: “I’d get rid of it. And I’d let the states start having more control over the lands that are within their boundaries and the people who are affected by the developments within their states. If I were in charge of that, it would be a short-term job.”
Also, a huge part of the DOE is nuclear. The current Secretary of Energy is a nuclear physicist.
I think it’s fair to criticize a person’s fitness for an office if her advocacy is to allow each state to handle its own nuclear power efforts…
I was under the impression that the NRC was independent of the DOE. Is that incorrect?
They are independent but the NRC deals with nuclear as it relates to public health and safety not as it relates to energy policy.
Yes, Palin wants to do away with the DOE, which in fact deals with much, much more than oil and gas issues, including alternative energy, nuclear energy, conservation, storage of radioactive waste from nuclear sites and – this is huge – clean-up of the Cold War-legacy nuclear sites that remain shockingly contaminated with both radioactive and non-radioactive waste.
The current and immediate past secretaries of Energy are Ph.D. physicists, one a Nobel laureate. Palin maybe – maybe – knows something about fossil fuels, but how is that helpful to moving forward in the 21st century? Also, she can hardly string two sentences together . . .
I’m fairly familiar with Alaska politics, and actually thought Palin had a lot of potential when she was running for office. But then she actually got elected and turned out to be really, really ignorant on basically everything *other* than energy policy. And on that issue, she didn’t stay in office long enough to accomplish much. So she doesn’t actually have much of a record to look to, although if she’s going to be chosen for something, she’s better qualified for that than anything else. There was a lot of possibility there, but it didn’t materialize in reality. There are a lot of excellent Republican choices in the energy and environmental sector that are better qualified than she is, but they’re less appealing to Trump’s political base and don’t really have name recognition.
Yeah, she was not good for Alaska.
Y’all, I really don’t want to wade into the political fray, I’m too emotionally frayed myself. But I do want to share that first thing this morning, when my Latino husband ran around the corner to grab something from the grocery, a man in army fatigues followed him through the store, out through the parking lot, and then as he was driving away, jumped in front of his car to yell “PRESIDENT TRUMP!!”
I am scared for him, for our family, for our daughter. Scared that it’s the 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht. Scared that we are already discussing moving for our own safety as an interracial couple. To me, the issue of Trump as a president and the issue of how his candidacy has empowered people to act out racist, sexist, and xenophobic beliefs are two separate things. The former? They won, fair and square (I think). The latter? Terrifying and not okay, no matter who got elected. My husband is destroyed, thinking that his ethnicity could pose a risk to our family’s safety. I’m pretty destroyed myself.
I’m a WOC as is my husband. He’s an immigrant. We are both scared. I’m so sorry this happened to your husband. I was watching the returns last night with a friend, the daughter of an immigrant. It was Taco Tues., $2 tacos, and all these white guys were chanting TRUMP TRUMP while eating their tacos. One joked its good they got their tacos in time because Trump will build a wall around the Mexican restaurants. Its so very frightening.
We are all Americans, so its hard to understand this blatant white supremacy and aggression.
Wow, I am just horrified at both of these stories. I just can’t even imagine. I am so sorry. Please let me know if there is any way that I can help. I will definitely call out this insanity if I ever personally witness it. I am so ashamed that we are going through this.
I am so sorry for your husband’s experience. I’m also married to a Latino man, and I too fear for his safety.
My best friend is married to a Middle Eastern man who “passes” for white (how sick, that this is how we’re now thinking), and they are seriously contemplating changing their family name to camouflage her husband and children’s heritage.
I’m not sure where we even go from here, but I know I’m trying hard to figure out how to do something, anything, to protect the people Trump wants to discard.
That’s how I got my last name – mom’s maiden name, from a country and time when being my father’s ethnicity was not helpful, at best. I’ve been telling that story to Americans for years and they always think it’s the oddest thing. And here we are.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. Truly awful.
Part of what is making me so sick about this is how I have seen people apparently emboldened — like “if someone can say this and be elected president, surely i can say it too.”
Most recently it was at a Mexican restaurant, Monday night, customers to the waitress: “Will you have to worry about getting deported? Are you here legally?” “Well considering I was BORN here, yeah.”
Yesterday while waiting in line, 5 separate cars drove by and someone yelled “trump!!!” One yelled “trump or else” and one “trump or jail” I was in a portion of the line that just happened to be a bunch of women in a row so it felt very targeted. Today the kkk took to the streets of NC- walking around with no fear. The lid of civility has been removed.
How did the polls not foresee Trump winning?
I’m so confused.
Hillary lost WI, MI, PA, nearly every swing state. She barely won VA, her running mate’s state!
I watched in horror as the NYT live tracker went from 80+% likelihood of Hillary to 95% likelihood of Trump. WTF happened? Any stats buffs in the Hive?
Love the dress! This is a fashion blog after all.
Different groups of people support candidates at very different rates, so it matters not just how many support Hillary v. Trump but who shows up. They underestimated how much white men (especially uneducated ones) would show up and overestimated the minority and millennial turnout. Most polls say they have 4 percent margin of error and Hillary was leading in most national polls by 3 percent or less (and by much, much less in many key swing states) so this is not really that shocking. It also appears she won the popular vote. The electoral college gives more weight to votes in rural America and that’s where Trump’s support is.
I made a spite donation to Planned Parenthood and a few other orgs in honor of Donald. I’d encourage you to do the same (just picturing a mail carrier of “thank you” correspondence from PP arriving at office makes me smile, not that he’d see it, just to irritate his staff).
So there’s that.
Oh I love that. Good idea. I’m going to send Clinton a letter. I don’t think she’ll see it but whatever. Maybe it’ll make some staffer feel better or maybe it’ll be eaten by their dogs.
I would not be surprised if she does see it, actually – she’s been incredibly responsive (through her staff) on social media and in other fora where her ground-level supporters have gathered. She may not read every piece of mail she gets, but I do get the sense someone in her organization would read and appreciate it.
Oh, what a good idea! I’ll be writing to Barack, Joe Biden, Hillary, and Tim Kaine tonight.
I was thinking of writing a thank you card to Hillary.
And do it again in 6 months, and 6 months after that. Its a long fight. Its not over today.
I do it every time someone says/does something misogynistic that p-sses me off, so it’s relatively regular.
had to find a refugee/immigration group outside Catholic charities to write the donation to–any suggestions?
Episcopal Relief and Development. They do amazing work with refugees, and despite being associated with a church, there are no religious restrictions or any other potentially problematic issues with this group. They help everyone in need equally, period.
This is a fabulous list of Pro-Women, Pro-Immigrant, Pro-Earth, Anti-Bigotry Organizations:
http://jezebel.com/a-list-of-pro-women-pro-immigrant-pro-earth-anti-big-1788752078
I’m thinking of giving to Planned Parenthood, Let Girls Learn, Muslim Aid USA, and the NAACP
And here’s an organization that specifically supports muslim aid and immigration:
http://www.muslimaidusa.org/?gclid=CjwKEAiAr4vBBRCG36e415-_l1wSJAAatjJZ423f5WdZyDU0kFVikSs9-ik7c2LPEDFxTqwT2qfSvhoC9Xjw_wcB
I give to Oxfam. They work to help refugees and towards the eradication of poverty.
Great idea to donate to organizations we care about, and I love doing it in honor of Trump. I will do this. I am a fan of Wellstone Action, which does good work training people in progressive electoral politics. They’re filling the pipeline with good progressive activists–who win–all over the country.
I have my health insurance through “Obamacare.” I could not afford it on my own; I am underemployed and doing the best I can.
Does anyone know how this could play out?
No idea. I don’t know how it plays out for the millions that will lose insurance or for pre-existing conditions or for women’s healthcare. I just don’t see anything positive coming out of this.
Health insurance could be very interesting. My parents fall into a sector of the population that doesn’t have a low enough income to qualify for subsidies, but does not have a high enough income to afford the $2,750 per month premium that they will owe in 2017.
https://twitter.com/EByard/status/796317753749729280
This is how the future voted.
That map reflects the opinions of the millennials who did vote. But the majority of millennials didn’t turn out. We’d probably have a different President-elect if they had. I find it hard to be optimistic about the future when so many young voters stayed home.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/194296-the-millennial-electoral-maps-might-give-you-hope-but-our-generation-has-a-lot-of-work
Totally agree everyone should vote, but to me this was another article on ‘yet another thing we can blame on millenials’. Lower voter turnout for younger people vs all other age groups is nothing new…
How is everyone actually getting through the day? I’m sitting here in shock, barely keeping back tears. Last night I worked until 1am, and the focus helped, but I can’t anymore. I need to stay professional today – how are you guys doing it?
I’m holed up in my office with the door closed. I feel absolutely devastated.
I work from home, which helps, but I have not received one single work email since last night. I am so curious what everyone in the office is doing. Meanwhile I’m just going to sit here with the news on, doing the most mindless tasks possible.
Not doing too great here either. There are a lot of avid Hillary supporters in my group and there has been a lot of quiet crying behind closed doors.
I’m taking a break from the news. Not on social media. Plan to watch sitcoms for the foreseeable near future.
Will give some money to democratic causes like the anti defamation league, the ACLU and PP.
I’m in NYC but we have a surprising number of people here who are elated he won. So will try to not engage. I just need a mental break.
+1 to donating to ACLU
There are a lot of tired eyes in my office today. More than a few look like they were up crying. Mostly it’s just unethusiastic, muted interaction.
Everyone here knows my politics. I’m giving free hugs to democrats and trying to be brave.
Staying in my office as much as possible with door almost closed. Rocking to Florence & the Machine.
I’ve been going with Rage Against the Machine, personally. My “angry music” playlist is getting a workout today.
Sitting in my office with the door closed so I can occasionally cry when the reality hits again and again.
I am at a meeting and I am sitting in the back, trying not to think about my daughter. Wore some nude eyeliner on my waterline to look less weepy?
Honestly, I am a bit relieved to be away from my husband this week — I think he would be baffled at how *personally* I am taking this (it doesn’t help that my smarmy r*pist just popped out of the woodwork texting me to find out whats up) which would just be another thing to handle, and since I had a hotel room to myself, at least I got out some cathartic, drunken sobbing last night.
My husband is baffled. He is upset that Trump won, but he’s all “we have to live in reality, and at least our taxes will be lower,” where I am despairing for women, for minorities, for how to explain this to my kids. He acts like I’m overreacting, and maybe I am, but it’s pissing me off.
My Hillary-voting SO had a similar reaction. He’s angry, he’s disappointed, he thinks America made a huge mistake, but when I was sobbing on his shoulder an 4am he just didn’t seem to get it. I told him that he was a middle-class, straight white man and that almost all of his friends are also middle-class, straight white men–no one is coming for his rights or making his reproductive autonomy a political issue. He understands all of these issues on an intellectual level, but he doesn’t feel it on a personal, visceral level like I do as a woman, or like my Muslim/immigrant/LGBTQ/etc. friends.
Same with my husband. He’s angry and upset but jumped to analyzing the situation.
“He understands all of these issues on an intellectual level, but he doesn’t feel it on a personal, visceral level like I do as a woman, or like my Muslim/immigrant/LGBTQ/etc. friends.” sums it up perfectly.
Same. I had to list ways it directly impacts me as a 25 year old woman, and him as my partner. He essentially just disagreed with me that all of those issues are real. Made everything so much more painful- Trump has legitimized this denial.
I closed my door to my office, which I never do, and I haven’t managed to get any work done. I surprised myself by crying a lot last night and my eyes are bloodshot.
Quietest email day ever. Cried three times. so far. Wearing black pantsuit and purple shirt to my business meeting.
I’ve voted in 5 elections. My candidate has won the popular vote 4 of those times, but only won the election two of those times.
So, don’t tell me my vote counts. It really feels like it doesn’t.
My 12 year old niece just texted me to ask how after having the three most educated and well spoken first ladies in history, Hillary Clinton, Laura Bush and Michelle Obama we could end up with someone like Melania Trump. (My niece is very interested in the history of that office)
I don’t have kids and have no idea what to say to her. I don’t have kids so I’m not used to this kind of thing and I’m still devastated about the election but want to speak to her in an appropriate way. Any idea what I can say to her?
(I mean she knows that Melania is married to the man who won the election and she followed very closely because Hillary is the first woman to be nominated on a major ticket and is a former first lady. But she is still upset and confused. Her parents were good in shielding her from the most hateful rhetoric but this is the first election where she is old enough to follow and understand)
Melania speaks at least two languages. We don’t know much about her. Let’s not judge a book by its cover; let’s hope for the best for now.
+1 I abhor her husband but I want to give Melania the benefit of the doubt.
+1 I am no fan either, but at least she had the good sense to keep her son out the campaign almost entirely.
My daughter expressed the same thought this morning (specifically with regard to some of the photos of her that have circulated) but I said, “I really don’t know anything about this woman, I’m not going to sl u t shame her, and this is not her fault.”
First Lady is not an elected position. I’m not sure how her education level is relevant.
I’d start by saying that education is not the same as intelligence, and just because Donald married her because she’s beautiful doesn’t mean that she’s not also smart. I question her judgment, sure, but she’s handled herself gracefully (excepting plagiarism) and speakers multiple languages. Her supposed platform against cyber bullying is ironic, given her husband, but a decent idea. She’s a multilingual immigrant who supported herself before marrying rich. A very different life and a very different marriage than the current FLOTUS, but I’ll give her a chance. I’m desperately hoping for some redeeming qualities for this couple’s stint in the White House.
She immigrated here illegally. She used her looks and her body to get ahead. She lied about going to university. I don’t have a problem with this but she and her horrible husband sure have a problem when others do the exact things that she did.
An uneducated, gold digging, former mistress turned trophy wife who has to steal a speech because she can’t write her own is not a role model. She and Donald deserve each other and they are both a disgrace.
The whole DT family is embarrassingly tacky. In 50 years we’ve gone from Camelot to Spamalot.
I thought she came on an H1B?
Yes, while her supposed focus on cyber bullying is painfully ironic, I really like it and think that it could be very powerful for a First Lady platform. It seems very appropriate and a needed place where a First Lady could make a big difference.
I wonder if the Secret Service will take away Trumps twitter account? She’ll make big inroads into cyber bullying just if that happens.
I worry if Melania Trump experiences domestic violence from her husband. We all saw the meme of him looking at her ballot. That was a red flag to me. A very controlling behavior. Look at how he treated Hillary in the debate, following her in a menacing fashion. He has many red flags of an abuser.
I can have sympathy for her, but I also don’t respect her. She is a hypocrite herself. She violated the terms of her visa and received over $20K in pay while on a tourist visa. Yet, she and her husband love to trot her out as “legal immigrant” who did things “the right way” while damning other immigrants. She plagiarized and blamed it on a staffer. She talked about cyberbullying yet is married to a huge bully. She lied about having a degree on her website; the lack of a degree isn’t problematic, its the blatant misrepresentation.
Its hard to see redeeming qualities in her.
I worry about that as well. He has been accused of DV before.
I’m so sorry everyone. Everyone I know is just as devastated as you are. I wish there was something we could do for you.
Keep fighting and support organizations that fight for civil rights.
Invade?
#MakeAmericaSouthernCanada
This may be the first time I’ve laughed today.
Annex the West coast and the Northeast?
Minnesota would like to join, too, please.
That is literally the plan my coworker and I came up with!
Uneducated white male voters hate uppity women.
Yeah because *all* non educated white men voted for Trump and *no* other demographics did because they *all* voted for Hillary. Right.
I’m not sure if you’re a troll but just to be clear, that demographic made all the difference in the extremely narrow margins in the select states that made the difference in the electoral vote.
Yes, a lot of them do. But it is not helpful or accurate to make that a blanket statement. My husband falls squarely within that demographic. He is married to an uppity woman. And I think he is even more devastated than I am by the election results. I am sitting here, insulated in my office. He has already been invited to leave the country by his coworkers due to the fact that he will not hide his vote and is vocal in calling down misogyny, racism and bigotry. I am standing up for him against your blanket statement. Because he stands up for us.
I want to extend my sincere thanks to your husband, Lilly. It’s hard to be in the position that he is and not back down. We need more people like him.
Thank you emeralds. I will tell him. He is being treated horribly at work today. I know it will help him to know that his publicly standing up for what is right regardless of how he is treated for it is appreciated.
Yes, we love your husband Lilly. Tell him to be strong!!
My Father never graduated high school, lives in a solidly red area and worked blue collar jobs his whole life. He is in his late 60s, happily voted for Hillary and raised two uppity daughters. I know trump voters, none of them are uneducated white men. That’s what we are telling ourselves to get through, but we have a lot more work to do to understand the real reason. Sexism was 100% a PART of it, but it is so much more complicated than that.
Devastated by the results, cried last night and feeling so numb today morning. Not visiting any website besides this one, knew this would be a supportive group. Can’t stand the fact that so many people I personally knew voted for Trump and he got away with blatant racism, sexism and terrible sexual assault comments and now marches on to the highest office in the country. Will have to keep waiting for a female president. Mind you, none of these Trump voters I know are poor/uneducated/white. Shocked.
Thinking beyond, what will happen next? Is Roe V Wade gone for sure in a few years? Getting more scared about what would happen next ? Is health insurance gone for pre-existing conditions? Coverage for birth control ?
Yes- goodbye to roe and the Obamacare protections.
Even though you may be mourning these, as a #nevertrump Republican, these are personally the only highlights in what I think was an otherwise bad decision for this country.
The rest of us certainly are so glad that you’re pleased that we stand to lose reproductive rights. Really warms my heart. I’m so excited about being forced to bear children I don’t want.
Personally, I can’t wait to 1) pay $800 in September for my birth control implant, which was fully covered under Obamacare, or 2) switch back to the cheaper but less effective and more obnoxious pill.
Sorry, forgot 3) stop being such a whore.
Totally besides the point (and not to undermine your greater point, which I absolutely agree with) but I wonder if you could get your implant switched early in December or early January? I switched IUDs early and it was covered.
Sure, now women can go back to the days of dying from back-alley abortions. Who cares about women’s health and safety, we are meant to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen with no options. Bring on the good ole days ! That is what trump supporters always wanted. So frustrating and disappointing, this will rollback decades of progress young women had taken for granted.
This drives me nuts. The problem with being “pro-life” is that it doesn’t take into account the complex circumstances women and their families face. This isn’t women going out wanting to kill babies. Some women find out rather late in their pregnancy that there is a complication that means that the child is going to die inside her, is not going to survive outside the womb, or is going to be born with severe birth defects and lead a low quality of life. Any of these things could also make a continued pregnancy dangerous for the woman. The idea of a woman and her family not being able to make a choice in their situations is unacceptable. There is also of course rape/incest. And of course there are simply people who accidentally got pregnant and do not feel they are in a financial position or otherwise in the right position to raise a child. I do not believe adoption is the answer for even the later group, as for example giving birth can result in job loss for women who are already economically vulnerable. You need think about the whole picture.
How can any woman think overturning Roe is a plus?
I’m one of the many women who have faced the heartbreaking decision to end a wanted pregnancy. I had to terminate my pregnancy due to it being ectopic. I also had a miscarriage that resulted in a D&C. I am married, no kids, and both pregnancies would have been wanted and loved.
I take your comment personally. You would prefer that I die than terminate a life threatening pregnancy. Disgusting.
Hugs. I’ve been there too.
Women will die over this though. The stakes are that high.
Yes. It is scary the number of wealthy/educated/white (mostly male) Trump voters I know in my ultra-blue bubble. :( I am frightened.
I have a wealthy educated white female friend who voted for Trump in my very dark blue state. She and her entire family did. They also employ many illegal immigrants in various capacities.
Until this year, we have agreed to disagree on politics. I don’t think I can be friends with her anymore.
I live in Massachusetts in a poor city hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs. The NYT actually profiled my city as “Trump Country” several months ago because he won over 2/3 of the vote in the primary. A lot of people (children/grandchildren of immigrants) believe Trump will bring jobs back. There’s also a widespread welfare fraud perception in my city.
Here are some of the gems in my community’s popular FB group, 17K+ members strong. I’m sharing this because there’s a lot of talk about how rural voters came out in unexpected force for Trump. These are urban folks in Massachusetts, who also just legalized marijuana and voted no to expansion of charter schools (both ballot initiatives passed by large margins in my city and state).
They voted Trump because they feel disempowered by the liberal establishment even though their parents/grandparents were classic Democratic voters.
1) The White peoples still have a say
2) Trump is gonna make welfare queens work for benefits
3) He’s alright started! Let’s build that wall!
4) My wife became a citizen legally has worked for 25 years got sick and has been denied any assistance for over two years,but everyday i know and see people who are healthy as horses play this system that has been set up by the left to take care of frauds and illeagles,but not the ones who worked to pay for it.
5) Anyone else laughing at those sad liberal faces? Mmmmm your tears are so yummy….
6) I am an educated, self built woman who i surround myself with only educated working women who all voted trump. Actually, the only ppl I know who voted for a murderous , treasoness evil b*h are non working, state aid collecting ppl. The email thing is what is. Lets never forget the hero’s she left for dead after 6 outreaches begging for help. The line of dead bodies. The millions of dollars donated to her crooked foundation from Syria, Iraq and other countries where its completely legal for a father or eldest male in a family to put to death a daughter who is raped because she is no longer pure. Those are the reasons EDUCATED women voted against her
7) atleast when im driving home from work i wont see some lazy scumbag in a nicer car then mines.
8) hopefully he will crack down on people who are abusing the system.
9) if you work and you see whats going on the working american is treated like shit so hopefuly this will change.
I feel like each of those gems really underscore how little this has to do with people feeling “disempowered by the liberal establishment” and everything to do with white people feeling threatened by the upward mobility and recognition of people in minority groups.
Possibly, except the city and this region of the state is nearly all white. There’s double the state average of unemployment and a quarter of women living in poverty. Its low income white people angry about unemployed white people.
I am always amused by the fact that when people claim to be EDUCATED on the internet, they almost always have appalling spelling and grammar. Sort of the way that people who emphasize that they are “classy” are usually anything but.
I am originally from a rural county in Pennsylvania that sounds like it is basically the same place. It is over 90% white and over 60% of children live below the poverty line. Trump told people at a rally that he would bring back coal mining. I don’t understand why people believe that.
(County went over 70% Trump.)
Please do not forget.
Remembering that tragic night.
I don’t think that Trump cares about anything or anyone except himself. I think this whole thing of him running and winning is just to flatter his own ego. He must be puffed up now beyond all bounds. If anyone, including unemployed white men, think they will get any help, they are sadly mistaken.
Yes, I agree he is an egomaniac who ran because it was something to do. Why else enter politics for the first time and decide to run for President?
My only hope now is that the reasonable Republicans in the House and Senate will kick his butt and keep him in line. However, I am not holding my breath. If any other Republican won, I would be unhappy, but not fearful and depressed like I am now.
Slate posted an article this morning that basically said “hey liberals, don’t move to Toronto, move to a swing state,” and I have to admit, it got me thinking. I live in a deeply red county in a deeply blue state (so it’s very unlikely there’s much I can do to change my county at a local level, and even if I could, it would have no effect on national elections because my state doesn’t “need” my county to go blue). Also, my H is recently laid off, so we are struggling with the HCOL in our area. I’m a mid-level attorney who could waive in to a number of swing states without taking a new bar exam. Should we be seriously thinking about relocating to the kind of place where our voices might actually make a difference?
Our county’s reaction to the results today has left us feeling uncomfortable, unsafe (my husband is Hispanic and our last name is identifiably so), and kind of pointless to the whole political process here. Obviously, we’re not moving tomorrow, but I can’t help but wonder if we should be seriously considering relocating to a place where we could actually affect the political process (on both a local and national level) in a real and meaningful way. Thoughts from the hive?
Join us in PA! Both major cities are relatively cheap and fun places to live. I think its a great idea and am so glad I moved away from the expensive northeast and into the rust belt (I’m in Pittsburgh). I genuinely love it here, despite my dismay at how our state voted this election. I wouldn’t move only for this reason but the qualities that a lot of swing states have (lower cost of living, calmer/less stressful lifestyle) are appealing for a lot of other reasons.
This is part of my thinking – especially since the lay off, my H has really been struggling with stress-related illnesses, and our finances are not great (not quite in the red, but a major financial crisis of any kind will put us there for sure). Trading our $350K mortgage for a $200K mortgage and cutting my (50 minute each way) commute in half while moving to a place where “all work all the time” isn’t the prevailing life goal sounds so appealing.
+1
I’m in Pittsburgh too after living in larger, HCOL cities, and I love it here. That said, the city itself is already quite blue.
We would welcome you in NC. Our cost of living is cheaper, and a large chunk of the Triangle area is Northern transplants. We haven’t worked out a long-term transit plan to deal with our ever-increasing population, but we did just pass a new sales tax referendum for transit. And it looks like we’re about to get rid of our Republican governor, too (race currently too close to call and they’re going to have to do a recount/wait on absentee and provisional ballots, but the Democrat is currently ahead by a few thousand votes and likely to win).
Agreed, come to NC! I’m surprised the likely McCrory defeat hasn’t gotten more attention. If he does indeed lose despite the overall move toward Republicans, it’s largely because of HB2, so at least it’s one vote for tolerance over intolerance.
McCrory’s defeat and Richmond’s defeat of Joe Morrissey are the two things getting me through my day. (For those of you who haven’t had the pleasure, Morrissey highlights include sex with a minor, jail time for said sex with a minor, and getting disbarred for lying and fistfights.)
About the only solace I could find today was in the fact that Joe Morrissey lost. Little victories.
I think you’d need to move to a swing county in a swing state, for the greatest impact.
This makes no sense. Pretty sure the way the electoral college system works is that the party with the most votes in that states get the electoral votes. If you mean b/c of local elections, then, ok.
We’d welcome yall in VA! Richmond is cheap but has pretty much every white-collar industry you could need to find. Live in Chesterfield County if you want to maximize your votes. Or you could try being the change you want to see in the world in Virginia Beach, which is our second-largest metro after Northern Virginia (which I’m ruling out for COL, but if you want to affect the way the state goes, move to Fairfax County–it’s pulled us blue sinec Tim Kaine’s gubernatorial run).
I had so much hope yesterday. I dressed up in an outfit reminiscent of Rosie the Riveter and headed down to my favorite bar, honestly believing that they would name Hillary the winner no later than midnight. The packed bar would erupt into cheers, I would cry tears of joy into my boyfriend’s chest and then call my mom and exclaim “We did it! We actually did it!”
My heart is broken.
Thanks for the laughs.
Does it make you feel good about yourself, Trumpette, to make fun of other peoples’ heartbreak?
Unless you are Hillary herself I think it is ridiculous to be heartbroken over this. Perhaps brush up on your civics, read up on the balance of powers, and figure out how limited the role of president is.
I thought it sucked when Obama won, Obamacare was shoved down our throats, etc. but you know what? Life went on.
Yes, but Obama had to contend with a Republican congress. Trump has a Republican congress–and most of them have shown that they do not dare to stand up against him.
Not quite; Democrats controlled the Senate 2009-2015 and also held the House majority 2009-2011 when Obama went into office.
Obama did not threaten gigantic swaths of the population with deportation or registration on basis of their skin color and religion. He did not brag about sexually assaulting women. He did not encourage violence. He did not threaten to incarcerate his opponent. Do not compare them. They are nothing alike.
As a disabled woman who has experienced both sexual assault and DV, I am terrified. I am miserable. My heart hurts. I cried from the time I woke up this morning until I finally drug myself out of the house almost two hours later. I didn’t do anything about making it look less like I’d been crying because I’m not going to hide how scared I am. For myself. For other women. For all of the groups who Trump has expressed don’t matter. I am so scared. So scared.
Sloan, I’m so sorry. Please know you are not alone, and there are so many of us (the majority of the popular vote, in fact!) who absolutely, 100% believe you matter, and we will fight for you.
I’m a PD and advocate in California. I’m devastated that Trump won and devastated that my state did not vote to end the death penalty. Hugs to all of us.
I was surprised on the death penalty initiation too. But at least Prop 57 passed? (But so did 66.)
*initiative
I am wondering whether this means that it will be years or possibly decades before either party has a woman on the ticket? I sure hope not. Though I am in Canada, I am afraid for and worried about minorities and anyone else that will be impacted by him winning.
Of course there will be women on the ticket. The key will be findeing qualified women to run. FOOEY!
I sure hope so Ellen!