Thursday’s TPS Report: Stretch Wool Twill Pant

Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices.

Stretch Wool Twill PantICB is having a pretty killer online sample sale right now — lots of interesting pieces and lots of basics marked way, way down. How good of a sale, you ask?  Well, let’s take these simple stretch wool twill pants, available in black and gray — they were originally $345 but are now marked to $52 (final sale, mais oui).  Whoa.  Designer pieces that cost almost as little as ICB designer Prabal Gurung’s Target collaboration? Sign me up. Stretch Wool Twill Pant

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  1. bobbi loblaw :

    Sorry for the immediate TJ – but, West Coast r3ttes, any suggestions for an alternative vacation spot for Yosemite in November? We’re taking our honeymoon in Napa in November and wanted to go to Yosemite but worry about needing chains for snow tires and getting up there. A friend suggested Big Sur, but it looks like there aren’t as many planned tours and activities there. Thanks.

    • What type of activities are you interested in? Are you looking for hotel/B&B/camping? Yosemite is beautiful with a bit of snow, but it is pretty far from Napa.

      It seems you will have a car. I would second Big Sur–it’s gorgeous, and a great place to hike, spa, etc. It is 1 1/2 to 2 hours to Hearst Castle, which would be a great day trip, and less than an hour (I believe) from Monterey (fantastic aqarium).

      Also in Southern California, Santa Barbara is a beautiful town. El Capitan State Park and El Refugio offer great beaches, and I think you can camp at El Capitan. There is a historic mission in town, shopping, good food, and if you aren’t tired of wine tasting…head a half hour or forty minutes away (search Santa Ynez Valley). You can also visit the beautiful Channel Islands off the coast by boat.

      Keep in mind that to get to these places from Napa, you could head to the Bay Area and take Highway 1 down the coast–a breathtakingly beautiful drive at times. Though not for the weak of stomach.

      If you are willing to spend more time getting there, Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California is beautiful in a really strange way. It’s close to Palm Springs.

    • locomotive :

      There is a lot to do on the way down to Big Sur. You can stop in Monterey and see the aquarium and also cute little beaches, in Half Moon Bay (another cute little town with beaches), Carmel, and there are lots of bed and breakfasts and hiking/outdoors-y activities in the area.

      • I loved Big Sur. Monterey and Carmel are SO cute (and have some amazing sea food restaurants and Carmel has one of the best cheese shops I’ve ever been to). It’s just a beautiful drive – especially the part through Pebble Beach. I would bet there’s tons of hiking (I didn’t have time for that in my itinerary). I don’t know, I feel like that would be a lovely addition. Plus you can see Redwoods – who doesn’t like redwoods?

        But otherwise, I feel like other people will be more help in concrete alternative suggestions. But either way, have fun!

      • Big Sur is fantastic. And Carmel and Monterey. And down to San Simeon to see Hearst Castle!

    • bobbi loblaw :

      Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! There’s a lot more around there than I realized. We will have a car, which gives us a lot of options. We enjoy hiking and my fiance loves to fish – so I don’t know if he’ll be able to find that. And I’ll have to check out that cheese shop in Carmel, TCFKAG. I may never leave then.

      • This sounds so fabulous. I’m going to threadjack the threadjack – apologies. My hubs and I are not going to be able to take a babymoon for various reasons, so I’d love to do something like this after the baby is born during my maternity leave (I get a long one). Does that sound doable? What age would be best? I was thinking like 3 months old? It would be a very low key vacation.

        • I would think 3 months would be a better time to travel and vacation than with an older baby. At 3 months they’re a little more alert but still not mobile (which is key), and still sleeping a good bit. You’ll be in to whichever feeding routine that you choose and hopefully the baby will have a more set/predictable sleeping schedule. I loved having a 3 month-old and basically just brought him everywhere with me in his carrier.

          As long as you’re planning low key (like, walking around Carmel, walking around the Monterrey aquarium, etc) and are ok with the baby sleeping in your same hotel room with you in either a pack n’ play or hotel-provided crib, it sounds like a lot of fun.

          • There is a growth spurt that typically occurs around 12 weeks, so I would recommend slightly after that (3.5-4 months?). Small babies are pretty easy to travel with, as long as they aren’t the type who scream the entire time they are in car seats (which is rare, but happens).
            I would plan a driving trip go you can go where you want when you want and take whatever you feel you need to make the trip work. Sounds like a fun & relaxing trip!

        • Corporate Cowgirl :

          3 months is a good time, 4 months is probably better. I flew across country with my almost 4 month old and 2 year old and it was great. No problems at that age, very easy. But, my 4 month old was sleeping through the night by then, so that helps.

        • Anon in NYC :

          A friend took her 1.5-2 month old on a road trip from PA to CO. She said it was pretty easy at that age.

        • I don’t want to scare you, but don’t plan something that can’t be cancelled/refunded. My little one hardly slept until after 6 months and would only sleep in what she considered to be ideal circumstances (never in a carseat, pack n play, etc.). I think she was a little bit of an anomaly, but just to be safe, make refundable plans. Congrats and have fun!

        • Diana Barry :

          Do you have time to take a long weekend before the baby comes? The absolute last thing I would have wanted to do during maternity leave was travel. If you do want to go, I would go somewhere where you drive so you can take as many breaks as you need.

        • I traveled with my 4 month old for 3 weeks and I think it was the perfect age. He still slept a lot and was great on the planes and road trips, I didn’t have to bring along food for him, and he didn’t require that many toys. We did sleep training when we got home, so I felt free to just do whatever it took to get him to sleep at night (usually ended up in bed with me in the early morning hours, so I could keep sleeping, which is something we avoided while at home). It was a marvelous trip — highly recommend taking advantage of that long mat. leave to visit people and places!

      • If you love cheese, try to visit the Sonoma side and San Francisco in addition to/instead of Napa . . . there are some wonderful dairies and cheese shops — and restaurants, of course! Off the top of my head:
        Dry Creek Kitchen in Healdsburg serves all local Sonoma County cheeses — and wines (and Hotel Healdsburg is a fantastic honeymoon hotel)
        Alas, Cyrus is no more. They had a phenomental cheese cart/cheese course.
        Andante Dairy
        Bellwether Farms (sheep’s-milk cheeses and yogurt — not set up for visits/tastings, though — they make San Andreas, Carmody and Crescenza along with others)
        St. Benoit (I have to list them because I love them — but they make yogurt, not cheese — SO good though!)
        Cowgirl Creamery and Milk Bar in the Ferry Building in San Francisco (they are also a local producer — they’re out on Point Reyes and make Mt. Tam and Red Hawk and multiple other cheeses)
        Mission Cheese on Valencia St.
        Say Cheese on Cole St.
        Cheese Plus on Polk St.
        Gary Danko (lovely, expensive restaurant with phenomenal cheese cart/course)
        Cheese Board and Cheese Board Pizza in Berkeley

        And far north, in Arcata, is Cypress Grove Chevre, which makes Humboldt Fog and Truffle Tremor. You can buy those cheeses at Cowgirl and Mission Cheese — perhaps Cheese Board too.

        And if you like charcuterie to go with your cheese — two favorites:
        Fatted Calf in Hayes Valley
        Boccalone in the Ferry Building — this is the charcuterie place of Chef Chris Cosentino (Incanto)

        • Anonymous :

          A lot of these suggestions are fantastic (loved the Ferry Building and Cowgirl Creamery), but Gary Danko is a waste. Overpriced and honestly not that good. The cheese cart was good, but the rest of the food options leave a lot to be desired.

        • Joanna Toews :

          +1 to the Cheese Board in Berkeley. Oh my lord. I still dream about the pizza.

          And then there’s Saul’s Deli across the street…

          And the original Peet’s Coffee and Tea one block up the hill on Vine…

          And, of course, Chez Panise…

          • If you go to the Cheese Board in Berkeley – make sure to have the pizza of the day. It is to die for.

    • I agree with others suggestions of Big Sur and Monterey/Carmel. Big Sur is more naturally beautiful, but there is more of a town/resort area in Carmel so you might want to stay in Carmel for a few days and make a day trip to Big Sur. If you visit Carmel, I recommend Carmel Belle for breakfast/brunch and Little Napoli for dinner. One thing to consider is that since you’ll be up in Napa, Lassen Volcanic National Park is closer than a lot of the national parks in central and southern california. It’s no Yosemite (which I consider to be in the top 5 national parks in the US) but it is very pretty. I’m not sure how accessible it would be in November though. Going south may be a better bet if you really want to do hiking.

    • how long will you be here? You can easily spend 4-5 days in Napa/Sonoma, just relaxing, wine tasting, going for bike rides, poking around the towns. I’d actually suggest going up to Mendocino if you want a mix of coastal/beach in there. I like Carmel/Big Sur, too, but I adore Mendocino in the fall. Lots of B&Bs, coastal, good food & wine. I think there’s fishing up there too (saw your later post on that) — at least a few friends of mine who are into that go to Mendocino to fish.

  2. Yet another TJ, sorry hive but I just got this email and it is frustrating.

    I left my last job in November. I was running a pretty big initiative and had to hand it off to someone less than competent. It is now April and I’m still getting emails like “how do I do this?” I now work somewhere else, doing similar stuff and really don’t feel like helping this person. How do I kindly tell her to figure it out on her own???

    • Say “I’m sorry, but I work for another company that the old project is no longer my responsibility.” If possible, direct them to other resources that would be of help to them. After you send that email, if you keep getting questions just delete the emails and don’t respond.

    • I think you just stop responding. It’s not “kind” and maybe even a little passive aggressive, but she’ll likely get the point eventually.
      Is it possible that a supervisor is directing her to reach out to you with her questions?

    • Why does it have to be kindly? Just say “Sorry soandso, I am no longer available to answer questions about the initiative because of my new position.”

    • I would just send an email (with an answer to her latest question, if you want to be nice) saying, “Unfortunately, I am working full time for another company and will not be able to spend any further time assisting Old Company with this project or answering questions. You could try contacting Mark Smith or John Jones, who were still employed there last time I heard from them. Best of luck.”

    • It’s been six months and you are no longer familiar with the project. Rather than stating it as “I don’t want to help you anymore” (which is perfectly acceptable), you could state it as “I’m no longer the best person to help you.”

      I think Ask a Manager has responded to a question like this. I’ll see if I can find the link.

  3. When a flight is cancelled, do they rebook you automatically? Just checked my glight status and it says cancelled but there is no info about when itll be rescheduled

    • espresso bean :

      In my experience, they do not rebook you automatically. I would try to meet with someone in person (if you’re at the airport already) or call to get rebooked. Good luck!

    • I think it depends on the airline. I hope for your sake it is not American Airlines b/c they are terrible! I would recommend calling customer service to get to the bottom of it.

      • Its United. My flight is not til tonight but there is bad weather in Chicago. I am in a meeting but will call as soon as I can. Thanks!

        • Oh no, good luck. I am in Chicago and it is pretty bad. They are actually closing schools b/c of the rain/flooding.

        • Kerrycontrary :

          Call ASAP. The other flights fill up fast with people who are already at the airport and their flights were earlier in the day. One time this happened to me (again, bad chicago weather) and I was already at the airport. I had to get really stern with the airline who was trying to delay my trip for 2 days (and this was 2 minutes after the flight was canceled, I was the first person in line). I ended up having to go home, fly out the next morning from a different airport in the region, and fly into a different airport within that state. But I really had to get where I was going. I hate flying for this reason, it seems to never go smoothly.

        • Call as soon as you can! You need to rebook yourself and it will be first call, first rebooked.

        • I fly United all the time. They do rebook me (I have elite status, not sure if that’s part of it), but it can sometimes be on a cr@ppy flight that doesn’t work for you. Call and tell them, they’ll work with you to get something that works. But keep watching the new flight(s) because they may get cancelled too.

          Also make sure you haev the available flights open in front of you- you may see flights/connection options that don’t come up in the United rep’s screen. Sometime you have to tell them “yes, i can fly through X city and make my connection- dont you see it in your system?!”

        • a passion for fashion :

          “bad” weather is an understatement. The streets are flooded here.

        • call now. I flew out of ORD last night & it was a MESS. united cancelled tons of flights & it was body to body in there. I’d also consider making a hotel reservation if you aren’t originally in Chicago – those were all booking up.

      • darjeeling :

        I have never tried this but I’ve heard that if you use twitter to contact them you will get rebooked faster- maybe you can do this on the sly in your meeting

    • If it’s Delta, you can get on their website and re-book yourself, which is much faster and easier than calling customer service. Even if you don’t do this they’ll eventually re-book you automatically, but it seems to be on days and flights that are not at all what I want.

    • Call the airline’s 800 number right away to rebook. You’ll be competing for available spaces with everyone else that was on your flight.

      There are some interesting items in the ICB sale but I detest final sales, especially for online items you can’t try on.

    • My experience is they rebook you but you may not want to be on the re-booked flight, so call the airline immediately.

  4. These pants are really cute but I hate buying items that are final sale in case they don’t fit!

    • I agree! I have two pairs in my basket and am deciding whether to go for it.

      Does anyone know if these run small or large? I’m generally a two in BR, J. Crew, Ann Taylor, etc.–I’m short and have some hips, though. I’m considering buying 2s….

      • I’d like to know this too–is the size chart accurate? If it is, I’d have to buy two sizes up from my normal size, which seems odd.

    • Oh final sale items, the bane of an online shopper’s existence.

      Though my bank account is a huge fan :)

  5. To follow up on my question yesterday about a graduation present for someone going to law school: I’m intrigued by the idea of Bluebook with the online subscription, but if I buy her a 3 year subscription and give it to her for graduation, would she activate it when she starts using it or would it run from this May through three years? I’d hate for it to expire before she is finished using it, although I guess theoretically, she would be graduating three years from May. Any advice would be appreciated.

    • Trust me, no one use’s BLUE book once you leave law school. I did NOT even use it alot in law school, EXEPT for legal writing. I would get the person a box of chocoleate’s b/c they will NEED that to study for the BAR.

      Today, I walked in to work b/c my dad is getteing very mad that I took 3 day’s off when I was with Myrna and Roberta last weekend and Monday. He is telleing me that I will NEVER get married with my TUCHUS, exept mabye to some guy with a gut as big as my tuchus, and then we could NEVER have BABIE’s b/c it would be physieceally impossibel for him to impregnate me. FOOEY, b/c I want a baby! I am NOT anxcious for some guy to be huffeing and puffeing away on top of me tho, like Alan did. He was realy a mess in bed, now that I look back on it. DOUBEL FOOEY on him. His new girlfreind know’s what I am talkeing about. Poor gal!

    • She will be finished by May don’t worry about it. I think this is a great gift idea. And am now contemplating having my bluebook custom bound in pink leather just for fun.

    • dont most law schools provide that for free?

    • Not to be pessimistic, but maybe starting with a 1-year subscription is a better idea. Just in case.

      • You know, I had the same thought, sadly. This young lady is probably first generation attending college and she’s very sure she wants to go to law school, but who knows. I asked a colleague yesterday where she’s going to school next year and they said she hadn’t decided because she was so afraid of making the wrong choice. So maybe the print book with one year of online.

    • Obviously you don’t know where this person will end up working, but if he/she ends up in BigLaw the firm will buy you a bluebook as a summer associate, and then when you start again. If you want to do this, I would go with the 1 year subscription.

      • Right – Not having gone to law school myself, I’m relying completely on you ladies for help. I know money will be tight for her, which is why I was considering the 3 year. But now I can see that the one year is probably a better choice.

    • don't want to rain on parade, but... :

      Not all schools use the Bluebook first year. I’m from a T-50-100 that uses ALWD for first year (hello, kickbacks!), then switches to Bluebook for 2L (which you then only use if you are on a journal). She also might not be litigation focused- Bluebook isn’t really used in transactional classes. I’d suggest not getting Black’s either, unless the giftee likes print books, because Westlaw has it online for free with her student login.

      • Interesting. Well, maybe I should revert to Plan A. I was just trying to tailor her gift to something helpful for law school.

        • NOLA-

          As an alternative idea, the place I worked at before law school gave me a going away party and some really sweet gifts. A couple of them were from my law school book store that they had ordered online (different part of the country). I got a law school hoodie, a cap, and a tee shirt. I loved that sweatshirt (and the hat) and wore both to death. I still have the hoodie and its my favorite sweatshirt. I was really touched that they went to the trouble of ordering it from across the country for me. I also got some other nice things like really cute pens, pencils/note pads, etc. I also received a huge, hard back Blacks law dictionary that was nice, but I actually never touched. It was so heavy and like someone mentioned, Blacks is available online free for most law students.

          So maybe a sweatshirt or something similar? Just an idea.

          • I like this idea. I got a college sweatshirt as a gift from family when I got accepted early decision, and I still have it and love it 10+ years later. I would do a hoodie from the school (once she decides) and an Amazon gift card. Textbooks can be cheaper on Amazon, and she can also get study books there–or fun books and movies if she needs a break.

          • Yeah, unfortunately, as I mentioned somewhere in this thread, she’s been accepted at three law schools and still hasn’t decided where she’s going. She’s a smart kid but I’m guessing doesn’t have a lot of family support for making these decisions.

      • This is definitely the exception rather than the rule, though. I would say 98% of law schools use the Blue Book first year.

      • I second this. I went to Northwestern and we did not use bluebooks 1L year for legal writing.

      • Ha – you must have gone to my school! They 100% taught ALWD at my school. I also agree about no getting her a hard copy of Black’s – she’ll likely have a westlaw subscription provided by the school that she can use to look up definitions in Black’s.
        I liked some of the suggestions from yesterday – office supplies (stickies, pens, and highlighters, a USB, and starbucks gift cards.

      • Same. We used ALWD for legal writing but Bluebook on LR.

      • Yep, we also used ALWD for first year (T-50 school), and then bluebook for publications 2L and 3L year. Also, I got all excited and bought a Blacks the first week of law school and have literally never opened it. Ever. It looks pretty on the bookshelf in my office now that I’m practicing, but it was not useful in lawschool at all. FWIW.

        You are very kind putting so much thought into these gifts, NOLA. These students are lucky to have you as a mentor and friend.

        • Half our profs use bluebook 1st year, half use ALWD.

          Generally, the ones who have/do practice in addition to teaching use bluebook, because that’s the accepted citation method in court. The ones who only teach use ALWD. It’s actually kind of a ‘fight’ at my school right now, because the BB profs are arguing that given how hard it already is to get a job, they aren’t doing any favors by teaching us a citation method/manual that nobody in the ‘real world’ uses. It’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out.

          At work , we use our state appellate court’s “style manual”, and bluebook for whatever isn’t covered in there. No one even knows what ALWD is outside school.

    • R in Boston :

      In my experience, only litigators use bluebooks. I have not touched mine since sometime halfway through my third year of law school, and didn’t bother with the updated versions every year during school. A few people got me books when I went to law school and I have never cracked one of them. Get her a gift geared toward the career (nice leather portfolio, card case with a monogram, etc), not toward law school. Then she will be able to use it for longer and it will be transferable to a different career if she doesn’t end up a litigator.

      If you do want to get a book, I would go with Strunk and White over all else.

      • I asked this question yesterday and didn’t get a response. If I get her a card case, does it need to be conservative? I had bought a couple of Lodis card cases but one of them is coral. Would that work or should I get something different? Black with red lining?

        • I think a nice, colored card case would be fine. It’s tiny and will only be out and visible to interviewers, say, for a few seconds. Also — as someone pointed out here recently — it’s okay to have some personality even if you’re a law student or lawyer. I’m senior/established, so I’ve obviously gor more leeway, but my favorite card case has a vaguely Indian/South Asian flower design in enamel with tiny little sparkling stones. (It’s somehow all encased in clear enamal or plastic so it’s smooth and the stones won’t fall off. I know I’m not explaining it very well.) I like seeing this pretty little thing when I pull it out to give out a card. My briefcases, on the other hand, are fairly boring black.

          I also second the idea for practical gifts like coffee cups, starbucks gift cards, highlighters, etc. I never did buy Black’s; she can always get one at the library, and looking at bluebook before starting law school would be dispiriting, IMO.

        • I don’t think it needs to be super conservative. A bright coral case is easier to find in a black bag.

          Other than that, a gift card to the store where they sell textbooks would be really helpful. Or maybe a set of E&E or Nutshell guides. Those textbooks really add up the first semester!

          Or maybe promise to take her shopping for her first suit and help kick in for the cost? If she’s not from a white-collar family, it can be hard to judge what to buy. Someone did this for me, and I’ll always remember it.

          • Great! Thanks. Now I’m thinking the coral case with a bunch of school supplies (highlighters, flags, etc.)

            I don’t know if she’ll still be around for the rest and she hasn’t picked a school yet.

    • Just wanted to chime in that I think this is a great idea! I think 1 year would be great because of the possibilities listed here but also that after the first year, she might get a subscription from someone else, like a journal or an employer.

    • I still use my Bluebook but am a litigator. It looks like there is not much benefit to buying only one year of online access since it’s $32 for one year or $50 for three years. A Black’s Law Dictionary is a nice gift but I rarely used mine and wish I had never bought it. I think a nice gift would be a basket of necessities: a spill proof coffee mug, a nice water bottle, highlighters, post-its and flags. These are things that are not expensive individually but definitely add up quickly.

      • The one thing I consistently used during law school was gift cards to my favorite coffee shop. Around finals, we would literally be there from open to close. Since you don’t know where she’s going, maybe a starbucks card, since they’re pretty much everywhere. Assuming she likes coffee/tea, I guess.

        • Awful Lawful :

          When I got accepted into law school, a family member gave me a leather portfolio from Coach. I’m not sure what your budget it is, but I loved the gift. It’s not something that I use all the time, but I love taking it to interviews as it gives me a bit of added confidence. Plus, I can put my phone, cards, and keys in it and then I can avoid bringing a purse to interviews.

          • Can you post a link to something like what you have? I’m curious. Honestly, I don’t know what my budget is. This young lady has worked for us for all four years and she is the best friend of one of my colleagues so I’d like to do something nice.

          • Veronique :

            My former job gave me something similar to this (http://www.amazon.com/Portfolios-Top-Grain-Zip-Around-Portfolio-Chocolate/dp/B001EY1OQK/ref=sr_1_4?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1366378091&sr=1-4&keywords=leather+portfolio+with+zipper) when I left to go to law school. Like Awful Lawful, I used it for all of my law school interviews and it gave me an extra boost of confidence (and somewhere to put my cards/lipstick). You can find them at a variety of price points, so don’t think you have to spend $175.

            Ideal Characteristics:
            -Black (I used my brown portfolio, but black would be better)
            -Zipper (better for storing stuff inside)
            -Notepad
            -Slot/folder for storing resumes
            -Business card section
            -Zippered section/slot for business cards you receive
            -Preferably leather (unless she has objections

          • Thanks! I was wondering about the type where you would be able to add keys, etc. This is helpful.

    • If you want to get her a book, I actually used my portable-sized law dictionary a TON my first year. I had been given the huge, beautiful hardbound Black’s for winning an award in undergrad, but never cracked it. The little dictionary I carried around with me every day my entire first year. The number of times I looked up “assumpsit,” I cannot tell you.

      For someone who is coming from an environment where she wouldn’t have been exposed to this specialized vocabulary, it was a godsend. (I felt like the only person in law school whose parents weren’t lawyers–I had never even met a lawyer.)

  6. I really want this houndstooth cutaway coat: http://www.icbnyc.com/shop/smoke-multi-wool-houndstooth-cutaway-jacket

    Would anyone care to enable me (or tell me that I would look ridiculous)?

  7. To the posters who told me I should watch Doctor Who -you are terrible people. Because of your recommendations, all my evenings for the forseeable future will be spent watching Doctor Who, isntead of doing anything productive, but, I’ll forgive you this time, because obviously the series is amazing.

    Has there been a consensus on this board re: shorts rompers for weekend wear? I recognize that they’re kind of ridiculous, but…I’m ashamed to say the look has grown on me. I’m envisioning a black sort of flowy shorts romper with espadrilles.

    I would also consider a jean-romper to be worn with cowbow boots, but only because Stampede is a time to wear all things ridiculous, and I feel if the jean-romper was less than $50 it would be well worth it for that 10 day time period. I recently bought my rodeo tickets, so “fashionable” rodeo wear is on my mind.

  8. No Problem :

    I have a question for all of you ladies who run: will running make my rear end get bigger?

    I’ve always had a curvy backside. I consider it one of my greatest assets (haha). However, I’ve gained some weight in the last few years and most of it has gone straight to my butt. I’ve gone up several sizes and am frankly pretty tired of having to constantly buy new pants and dresses.

    I also just registered for a half marathon this fall. I’m just starting to get going on training and hope to be up to around 15 miles a week by next month, maintaining that until I start actually training for the distance at the end of the summer. I also know that the muscles in your butt are used quite a lot in running, and undoubtedly will get stronger as I put on the miles. So for the ladies who run, have you experienced a change in the size of your butt because of running? Ideally I’d love it to get a bit smaller so I can fit back into the pants that used to fit last summer, but I don’t know if the running itself is just going to make that impossible.

    • Kerrycontrary :

      Running, or any cardio, and a diet change should make you lose weight overall. So you will lose weight in your butt if that’s where you hold it. Plus toning your muscles makes them tighter and leaner…so your measurements should go down. I wouldn’t avoid running just for fear of muscle size. Focus on the health aspect of things.

      • I agree that you should focus on the health aspect. However, I definitely liked the tightness I had in that area when I was running 20+ miles a week and doing regular core work.

      • No Problem :

        I’m definitely focused on the health aspect (hence all the running). Just wondering whether I should bite the bullet and buy new summer pants or cross my fingers that 2 months of running will tighten me up enough that the pants that are too snug but wearable will be more comfortable.

        • Anon in NYC :

          You could also face a situation where your shape will just change. A friend just told me that doing consistent Bikram yoga changed her rear so that it’s tighter, but also provided lift in a way that she didn’t expect, so even though she’s leaner she can’t fit into her former pencil skirts.

        • When you first begin running, keep in mind that there might be a temporary situation where your muscles will retain some extra water and you will feel all weirdly “bloated” and like it’s not working as it should. Do not worry! This always passes and you will be in a much better shape (heh, minus the extra water retained by muscles, I meant) in a few weeks’ time. Just a friendly FYI from a running enthusiast. :)

    • I have not experienced a change in butt size as a result of running. I do find running makes me pretty hungry and if I don’t watch what I eat, my butt will grow. But that growth is fat, not muscle. Boo!

    • unless you do sprints, then no. long-distance running actually makes it hard to hold on to muscle.

      • Cornellian :

        or hills. Which, honestly, if you’re running a marathon, you should probably practice a bit depending on which race you’re running.

    • I used to do about 20 miles a week, and have always had the flattest of assets (I make up for it in other areas!) However, I got a huge case of the sads and didn’t run for like, a year. It was gross. I recently got into a new work out routine for the last four months, which most of the classes do squats, leg work, etc. All of a sudden I’ve got a toosh. It’s amazing. I’ve never had one and so am quite excited. But, I only just started actually running again a few weeks ago.
      So based on my experience, I think this shows that being a runner does not add to your current fixed assets, unless you do additional asset-enhancing exercises such as squats.

    • I gotta be the voice of dissent here, but running definitely enlarged my trafficstopper. In a shapely way, but I definitely pack much back, as they say, when I’m running high mileage.

    • frugal doc.. :

      No, it probably will not get bigger and in fact will likely get smaller and more toned/tight.

      I also have a bit of junk in my trunk that seems to work for me, and when I started doing cardio and lost some weight I lost quite a bit from my butt. I’m actually a little annoyed, as now my pants all have saggy butts. Of course, my thighs are the same..

    • I read two interesting blog posts yesterday about what running will do to your butt/body that you might find helpful:
      This one suggests that regular intense cardio, like long distance running, can actually make your body hold on to fat: http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/5343/why-women-should-not-run/

      This one says that running on a treadmill specifically will make your butt smaller, because of the different way your muscles are engaged: http://www.xojane.com/healthy/the-treadmill-ate-my-ass-or-how-to-avoid-treadmill-ass-syndrome

      I think it largely depends on what kind of large your butt is. If it’s muscle, you’re best off running on a treadmill to get rid of it (but if it’s muscle, my vote is buy new pants and learn to love what you earned). If it’s fat, pretty much any exercise that leads to fat loss will get rid of it, as long as you’re not building butt muscle at the same time (squats, sprints, etc). But honestly, my vote either way is to buy new pants and embrace your booty.

      • Apparently I need to spend more time on the treadmill.

      • I’m halfway through the Why Women Should Not Run article and I’m already seeing red. The author is coming from a different background than I do, and probably speaking to a specific audience, but jaysus. The only reason to exercise is not to turn yourself into a hard-bodied fitness model.

    • I’m an avid runner (lots of marathons, 1/2s, other races and maintain like 20-30 miles a week) and I have absolutely no butt. I love, love, love running and it’s helped me maintain my weight through lots of life changes and a very sedentary job.

    • Praxidike :

      Sorry, but running is unlikely to make your butt smaller. Weight lifting and a good diet, combined with some running, will probably do the trick. But you’re going for overall fat loss rather than just loss in the butt. It is pretty much impossible to do “spot toning”, even though people misuse the term constantly.

    • For point of reference, have been running relatively regularly since 18 (29 now), and running high mileage in the past 3-4 years. (I LOVE running!)

      I never saw any change in my butt that I could attribute to the running until I significantly increased my mileage and kept going. After that, it has gotten “better shaped” but most definitely not bigger. I think that running hills and a lot of speedwork *could* have a small butt-reducing effect.

  9. ICB Stretch Twill Legging Pant? :

    Am I crazy for considering? Is this OK? Is a legging pant different from legging-as-pants? I’m imagining wearing next winter on weekends, with boots….

  10. Hi all – I just got the Aussie 3 minute miracle on the recommendations of the lovely ladies of this site. Question for you all – do you use this daily? Weekly? Once in a blue moon? I can already tell a difference from one use but just curious going forward. Thanks for the rec!!

    • momentsofabsurdity :

      I use it weekly (sometimes twice a week in the winter). Basically, I use it again when my hair stops feeling as soft/smooth as the last time I used it, which usually takes about a week. I don’t wash my hair every day though, more like every couple of days.

    • mintberrycrunch :

      I actually use it in place of a regular conditioner whenever I wash my hair (every 2-3 days). But my hair is very thick and long, so it stands up to a fair amount of conditioner, and I actually like that it weighs my hair down a bit, so ymmv.

      • big dipper :

        I do this as well. I wash my hair 3X/week and use this conditioner afterwards. My hair is medium thickness, I just make sure to adequately rinse my hair.

    • I don’t use it too often in the summer (maybe once every other week if I’ve been swimming/out in the sun a lot). In the winter, when my hair feels drier/more static I tend to use it about twice a week. I also wash my hair daily, so if you wash less, once a week would probably be plenty.

  11. Thanks again for all of the great comments yesterday regarding my question about losing weight after having a baby. I agree that diet plays a big role, and while I generally eat pretty healthy, I have some vices (read: chocolate) that I should cut!

    So on the subject of diet….I’m currently BF’ing and read that you should consume an extra 500 calories a day to maintain supply. Did you all actually do this, or can you maintain supply eating a bit less? Ultimately I care about the healthy of my baby and obviously don’t want to impact supply, but I am curious what you ladies have experienced. I haven’t been tracking what I eat, but I essentially eat what I ate pre-pregnancy plus some healthy snacks.

    Thanks!

    • Diana Barry :

      Don’t count!!! I definitely eat a TON while nursing, esp when baby was small. I was constantly hungry and also thirsty all the time. I would eat to your hunger – drink a glass of water before eating if you are worried you might be thirsty instead – but don’t count what you’re eating. Anecdata, but every one of my friends who tried to cut down on food also lost supply.

      • LackingLuster :

        If you start cutting calories while you are nursing, you will not only be hungry, but you will be tired too. And hunger + tired = lower milk production and worrying about that, plus things that don’t need to be worried about (like laundry, the dishes, etc.) and freaking out on your husband for weird little stuff, and then not being able to sleep, and then everything will be bad. Ask me how I know. So trust me, if you are hungry, have a snack. This is not everyone’s experience, but once I hit about 4 months into nursing, the weight literally started falling off. I had lost everything by six months and kept losing until I got pregnant again and quit nursing the first one. Wait and see how your body reacts.

    • Divaliscious11 :

      You need the calories, but keep in mind 500 calories is not a huge amount of extra food. a plain large bagel is about 400…..

    • I don’t have a baby, but jeesh, worrying about cutting calories when you’re producing food to feed a rapidly growing human, after just growing that human inside your body, and after having pushed that human through a fairly small opening resulting (most likely) in tissue damage that needed to heal — I’m thinking your body needs FOOD! If you still have an extra 15lbs in a year, maybe that’s something to think about. But not 10 weeks post partum.

      • This. Calm down. Have some extra lady garden parties if you want to up the calorie burn.

        • Anon for this :

          Laughing because BF’ing can sap your drive for lady garden parties in a big way. At 10 weeks pp that was at the very bottom of my list.

    • Basically, you should eat if you are hungry. Choosing healthy snacks instead of junk food/empty calories is good, but yes, you need approximately 300-600 extra calories beyond your normal daily caloric requirements to maintain your milk supply. If your baby is gaining weight fine and you eat when you are hungry, drink when you are thirsty you should be fine. Its more of a concern if you suddenly drop off your caloric intake or suddenly increase your exercise than if you adjust gradually.

      This web site is a good source of evidenced-based bf info written by lactation consultants, nurses and doctors:
      http://kellymom.com/nutrition/mothers-diet/mom-calories-fluids/
      http://kellymom.com/nutrition/mothers-diet/mom-weightloss/

    • Eat, just make healthy choices. Have toast instead of a bagel. Have salad for lunch. Fruit/cheese/yogurt/granola as snacks, not chips etc.

      You do need to keep up your intake, and you WILL be hungry. Just don’t fill up on junk.

    • I am currently pregnant and had gastric bypass 5 years ago, so my OB sent me to a dietitian and I am so glad. I feel much better about my diet and I have a better idea of what I need, versus what “they” say I need. Ask your ob for a recommendation.

    • For what it’s worth, I was hungrier BF’ing than when I was pregnant. I also had to drink water almost constantly or else I felt like I was dying of thirst. On days when I couldn’t get around to eating as much, I noticed a supply drop. I think the best choice is to just make sure that you’re eating to your hunger, but making those calories count. So, instead of ice cream for that extra 500 calories, eat an apple with peanut butter, veggies with hummus, etc.

    • I would definitely not count calories this soon after birth. Your milk supply is still regulating and if you don’t take in enough calories now your supply could drop.

    • I just read your post from yesterday and I agree with everyone who says it’s only been 10 weeks! My understanding is that at the 10 week mark, some of the weight is still going to be extra blood, water retention, etc. That stuff will just take time to process, regardless of how much working out you do.

      I also just read a great book called Does This Pregnancy Make Me Look Fat, which I’d highly recommend it to anyone who is struggling with the emotional side of pregnancy body issues.

    • It is really, really depressing to me that there is this much pressure to have lost all the baby weight after just 10 weeks. Thanks celebs and all the magazines showing how they got their pre-baby body back in “just 4 weeks!”, or whatever.

    • Thanks all. I will just continue to listen to my body and eat when I need to. I should have also mentioned that I had a c-section, and 10 weeks later, it still hurts to do anything ab related. But as everyone says, the weight will come off in time.

      Re: the pressure to be back to normal — it’s just not celebs unfortunately. At my new mom’s class, one of the moms was bragging about how she was back to her regular weight as soon as she LEFT THE HOSPITAL. The rest of us wanted to strangle her. :)

      • Anonymous :

        So, you’re still recovering from major surgery and taking care of a 10-week old baby? Seriously, give yourself a break for a little longer, I can’t believe you’re this stressed about 15 lbs, given the circumstances.

      • No, you should NOT be worried about this, just take care of yourself and the baby. (And along the lines of the new mom bragging: Not long after I had my son but when I was back at work I was dealing with an a-hole opposing counsel who more or less gratuitously told me his wife had left the hospital in her pre-baby, teeny-size jeans. Yeah, thanks for sharing that. I did get some revenge by winning against him in a jury trial within the year.)

  12. Hi everyone, I have a job search question. I’m applying for a job at a legal nonprofit and I need to submit a legal writing sample. I’ve been out of law school and practicing for two years at a civil legal aid organization. What do you guys think about using a a seminar paper from my 3L year? The subject of the seminar paper is definitely of interest to this potential employer, it’s a good fit. It’s 23 pages total, but I could edit it (not sure if I should, no guidance given on length and recommendations seem to vary widely as far as page numbers for writing sample).

    My concern is: will it be weird to use a law school paper when I’ve been out for awhile instead of “real world” work? I don’t write memos at my current position, the only writing I’ve done has been letters and standardized pleadings, nothing that requires any real argument skills (and nothing that contains much original work, we have a form bank). I’m just not sure what else to use for a legal writing sample. Thoughts??

    • I use law school papers as writing samples, and I’m almost 3 years out. I clerked, so cannot use any writing from that as a writing sample, and since clerking I’ve been in a job where I don’t do a lot of writing, and the little that I do would be really difficult to redact to a point that I could share it. I think it’s fine to use a law school paper as long as it is still an example of your best work and you are comfortable discussing the topic.

      I typically aim for 10-15 pages with writing samples that do not specify a length, but I am curious to hear what others say.

    • I work in the legal department of a non-profit, and (absent instructions to do otherwise) I would send both. I think it’ll be clear why you’re including the law school one and not sending something more technical or recent could make it look like you haven’t had any recent experience drafting. If forced to give one, give whatever matches the type of writing you would expect to do at the job (i.e. if you’d be writing briefs/memos, send one of those, even if the subject matter is completely irrelevant to the job). Good luck!

    • I typically send a cover page with any writing sample I use. The cover page includes the same header as my resume (name, address, contact info) and a brief (2-3 sentence) statement on what the sample is and why I chose it. Using a cover page would allow you to explain that, while you have been working for a few years, you felt this paper from law school would best demonstrate your ability to perform the kind of work that would be required by this job. I would edit it down to 10-15 pages, though.

  13. (Sorry if this is a double post, my comment didn’t post on my first attempt)

    Hi everyone, I have a job search question. I’m applying for a job at a legal nonprofit and I need to submit a legal writing sample. I’ve been out of law school and practicing for two years at a civil legal aid organization. What do you guys think about using a 7-page excerpt from a seminar paper from my 3L year? It’s 23 pages but I can edit it (not sure if I should, no guidance given as to length and recommendations seem to vary widely re: page length for writing samples). The subject of the seminar paper is definitely of interest to this potential employer, it’s a good fit.

    My concern is: will it be weird to use a law school paper when I’ve been out for awhile instead of “real world” work? I don’t write memos at my current position, the only writing I’ve done has been letters and standardized pleadings, nothing that requires any real argument skills (and nothing that contains much original work, we have a form bank). I”m just not sure what else to use for a legal writing sample. Thoughts??

    • What kind of work would you be doing at the legal nonprofit? If it’s policy-related, I think it’s fine to use your 3L paper. But if it’s direct representation, I think you are much better off using a pleading that you’ve done at your current job. Or do you have time to write a memo about a legal issue that may have come up in your current position?

  14. Blazer Help :

    Any ideas for a camel/stone color blazer I can wear in the spring? I need to wear blazers/jackets to work but I only have black and navy. Looking for something that works in the summer.

  15. consulting? :

    For ANP: my email is oh [dot] hello [dot] caro [at] gmail.

    To hellskitchen, the firm I’m keen on actually only works with nonprofits, but I guess I’m interested in consulting in general. Is that ever something that people break into, or do you have to get a degree in it?

    • I’ll write shortly!

    • hellskitchen :

      I was looking into that a few years ago and I was told that unless you are very senior or some kind of a niche expert (have a doctorate or something) or have prior consulting experience, the only way to break into management consulting was right out of college or grad school. Many of my nonprofit friends went into consulting for a couple of years after b-school. I am sure there are exceptions and the rules may be slightly different if the firm does only nonprofit consulting as I am sure they need domain experts in education, public health etc. but I found it hard to break into a straight up consulting firm, coming from a nonprofit background. ANP may have more info as it seems she’s worked in consulting

  16. I am sick as a dog and have to be in the office (no I’m not contagious). Is it bad that I literally didn’t do a thing other than shower this morning? I figure if I’m going to say I’m sick and still have to come in, I might as well look the part.

  17. Baby name opinions: what do you think of the name Stella Jane? Do you see a lawyer or doctor with that name? I keep thinking diva, but our last name starts with St and I love the alliteration. Other than my name, Stella is the only St name I like.

    • Oh goodness, please please reconsider your love of alliteration, particularly with St…what if your child has a lisp??? A friend of mine has a rhyming name and it kind of sounds ridiculous (she freely admits it’s the only reason she’s thinking of changing her name when she marries), and I’m thinking an alliterated name also might sound silly.

      • Yeah, not sure I’m sold on alliteration. (Stella Stephenson? Stella Stanger? Stella Stavros? Not sure what your last name is, but none of these does it for me.) Personally, I’m not a fan of the name Stella. It makes me think of either an old aunt with a northeast accent and a smoker’s voice, or Brando yelling “STE-E-E-LLAH!!!” But that’s just a very personal reaction. I’m sure everyone has their images (positive and negative) for every name out there.

      • Granted it is not an ST alliteration, but I have an alliterative name and I have always liked it. To each their own….

    • Woods-comma-Elle :

      I now go by my middle name, but as a child I used the end of my first name (it’s a combo) which made my name alliterative. I never minded the alliteration, it was pretty cool (RR) though I have never been too fond of my first name. I changed the name I use when I moved to the UK because my middle name is more user-friendly for English speakers. On that basis, if your child didn’t like Stella, she could always go by Jane.

    • My first and last names both start with ‘S’ and love it! Like you, my last name starts with “St.” However, my first name does not. Think Sunny Stamos. I’d never considered having both names start with “St,” but now that you mention it, I don’t think I’d like it as much. My vote is to pick another name that starts with “S,” but not “St.”

      And, since you asked, I don’t like the name Stella, but I think it’s a generational thing. I think of Stella as being someone my grandmother’s age. Then again, some very old names are coming back so maybe Stella is one of them.

      And congratulations on your baby!

    • I love the name Stella. Not a huge fan of Jane, but if it’s a middle name no one will really see it that much anyways. :)

    • Are we doing this now? :

      Baby names, really?

      • Trends in baby names is something I think is really interesting and something I follow. I liked OP’s post.

        • I think it’s fair game- OP asked in the context of if was a “professional” name. We’re professional ladies. Some of us probably have name we feel are less than professional adn have to make do.

          Speaking of- for those with long first names that go by nicknames with friends, do you go by your nickname at work? Eg. are you Margaret or Maggie at work (if you’re Maggie at home)? Katherine or Kate? Elizabeth or Liz?

          I have a long name, and I NEVER use it. I go by the nickname at work, which got a whole lot easier when I got IT to change my email to Nickname.Lastname in addition to FullName.Lastname.

          • I use the nickname at work (not “Em” – that’s purely an alias). I know NGDGTCO says to use the full name – but, to be honest, I work with plenty of men who also always use a nickname. I don’t think it’s a decisive factor in coming off as professional. I also think it’s difficult to have people in one part of your life call you one thing and another part another thing; to much awkwardness when worlds inevitably collide.

            I, too, have both nickname.lastname and fullname.lastname as working e-mail addresses (I use fullname.lastname as the default, and that shows up when I e-mail people); I also had IT add a common misspelling of my name as an alias which solved all sorts of problems.

          • I could have sworn I read an article somewhere (I tried to find it…no success), showing that men are more likely to use nicknames at work because it makes them “more relatable”, and women are more likely to use full names because it conveys more authority, and at work, men are generally seeking to be more relatable, and women are generally seeking to project more authority…or something like that?

            I generally use my full name regardless, to be honest, though it’s only two syllables, and I’m fine with the short form. I wonder whether I’d act differently if I went by the short form.

          • I have a long first name (let’s say it’s Catherine) and have always preferred it to the nickname (let’s say Kate). So I try to go by my full name at work and in my personal life — but I do find that people often start calling me “Kate” whether I ask them to or not, which gets annoying. I’ve actually had more success going by “Catherine” at work. I’m not really worried about conveying authority or whatever – if I liked “Kate” better, I would use it — but I happen to like my full name. I do *not* like it when people tell me that I need to go by Kate because Catherine is too formal. Who asked you?

          • On that note – I am actively TTC. Most of the baby message boards out there scare me. Has anyone come across a message board for pregnant professional women or professionals TTC?

          • big dipper :

            I have a long name and exclusively go by my nickname. I correct everyone I meet immediately if they use my full name, and where ever I work I always request my email/everything be set up with my nickname. I also use my nick name on my resume.

            I barely respond to my formal name, and my formal name has like 5 potential nicknames so being clear up front avoids confusion.

            Some of my friends have advised me to go by my formal name (my nickname ends in an “ee” sound) because they say my nickname is “not grown up enough.” But, my nickname IS my name in my mind. I don’t even consider it a nickname. So I definitely fall in your camp.

            On the flip side, my brother has the opposite problem. He has always gone exclusively by his formal name (think William) rather than any of it’s many nicknames (Will, Bill, Billy, Liam, etc). He is really firm about people calling him by his given name, and not some nickname of their choice.

            I think the point someone made below is interesting. I think my brother and I probably have so much trouble getting people to call us the right thing at work because of the point made below. People expect women to use their formal names to convey more authority, so I meet resistance trying to go by my nickname. And people expect men to utilize nicknames to convey that they’re relatable, which makes people constantly call my brother by the possible nicknames for his name.

            Really, the rule should just be you call people whatever the name is they introduce themselves as. I think it’s inappropriate to shorten someone’s name (or call them by their more formal name) after they introduce themselves by a certain name.

          • Meg Murry :

            To Anon @ 1:53 -
            I haven’t come across any professional women message boards. Kat, I think you could make a great sister site or message board out of c*por-Moms (hint hint hint)

            But for baby name geeks, try babynamewizard dot com (and the book), swistle dot com / babynames, and bigbadbabynames dot net

            @January – I have a short name that is a legit standalone name and one of my co-workers used to *lengthen* it, because she thought it suited me (like calling someone named John Jonathon, even though his name was just John). I didn’t really mind because she was my friend and the longer name was an ok name in its own right, but it did confuse some of our coworkers sometimes that I responded to this other name

        • Yep, barren spinster here and I find baby naming sort of fascinating, too.

        • Having moved from a major metropolitan area to a rural one, I am FASCINATED by what popular names/spellings are in different areas now.

          FWIW, I like Stella Jane and don’t mind the alliteration. Whether it’s diva or professional will depend a lot on your daughter’s personality.

        • Naming is interesting from a sociological perspective, too.

          I guess OP is part of that hipstery trend where the old-lady names are being recycled for babies:

          Eunice, Stella, Agnes, Beatrice, Dorothea, Florence, etc.

          Stella Jane seems fine to me, if you don’t mind being tagged with being part of this trend. Some people would mind, because they don’t like being told that their name is not the product of some amazing organic internal imagination, but a confluence of social Zeitgeist.

    • Anecdata – my future MIL, who is a doctor, is named Stella.

    • Stella Jane is the name of my favorite niece, who is almost 3. It’s a lovely combo, and Stella is traditional but unusual.

    • This disappoints me. As if lawyers and doctors the only successful professions.

      • should read “lawyers and doctors are”

        • Lady Harriet :

          I think it was just an example. If the OP went through doctor, lawyer, CPA, nuclear physicist, theologian, school superintendent, state legislator, etc. the list would get unwieldy pretty quickly.

        • I don’t think OP was trying to imply that those two professions are “successful.” My money is on the OP trying to politely ask, “please tell me if this name sounds like a p%rnstar name.”

    • I have an alliterative name and I hated it…until I thought about going by my (old school) middle name instead (moving to other side of country…all new people…perfect opportunity). I asked a lot of people and most actually loved the alliteration. I came around to their way of thinking in time and now it sounds so powerful when I introduce myself. So if you like it, go for it.

      Jane? Is that in reference to The Blue Castle (aka my favorite book)? That was going to be my daughter’s middle name!

      • I have a friend who thinks all her success in life (and she is very successful) can be traced back to having an alliterative last name with a corresponding number of letters in each (think: Samantha Stephens).

      • Please tell me you opted for Valancy as your daughter’s middle name instead?

        • Naw. Jane is Valancy’s middle name. Her mother chose it to “tame” the name that Valancy’s father, to her mother’s unending horror, chose and died shortly thereafter.

          Yep, I’ve read that book waaaay too much. And why hasn’t it been turned into a movie yet?

          • Sorry, I was wrong. From Project Gutenburg:

            Her full name was Valancy Jane. Valancy Jane was rather terrible, but she liked Valancy, with its odd, out-land tang. It was always a wonder to Valancy that the Stirlings had allowed her to be so christened. She had been told that her maternal grandfather, old Amos Wansbarra, had chosen the name for her. Her father had tacked on the Jane by way of civilising it…

      • Jane is because of Jane Eyre first. It’s my favorite all time novel and I’d love her to be just Luke s modern Jane. And because lots of wonderful women have had that name, particularly Jane Goodall.

    • Ok, I will play.

      I read your “last name starts with St.” not as Stavros or Stanger, but as St. James or St. Vincent. In which case Stella St. X, sounds a bit like a fake p*rn star name to me. If that’s not the case, I obviously take that back.

      Now, moving on to the name Stella itself, I actually just had this conversation with my SO and his response was, “if you name your kid Stella, you’ve gotta really hope she turns out to be good looking otherwise it will be awkward…” Not sure what that means exactly, but passing on the male perspective.

      Anyway, name your kid whatever makes you have. And on alliteration, I’m all for it, though maybe sticking to first initials only.

      • Agree! I immediately thought stripper name. But Stella Stamos sounds nice.

      • WRT what Mr. AIMS said, I have heard the same thing from guys! If you have a somehow innocent or retro or non-s3xy name, it’s a huge plus if you’re good-looking but just sad if you’re not.

        I like the name Stella and have noticed a lot of old-style first names coming back, so I say I like it. Didn’t have any s3x industry associations with the combo with St. _____ either, but maybe I’m too naive or something.

      • Lorrie Moore has a good short story on this topic- the woman’s name is Agnes and she is very plain. Her older sister was beautiful and had a beautiful name to match, so her mother thought it would make her second child more intriguing if she was beautiful but had a retro/homely name. Didn’t quite work out that way.

        More on topic- I don’t think of Stella in the same category as Agnes. Stella is old fashioned, but a pretty name, I think. I know a 6 year old named Stella and I think it’s a darling name for her.

    • I love the name Stella, I think its perfect for a little girl as well as an adult. I might add this to my future fat little babies list (entirely in my head, don’t worry, I don’t have a google doc).

    • Comic book :

      It may sound a little comic book, but I like it. I met a Peggy Powers once, and thought she sounded like a superhero. She also kicked butt at her job.

    • Lots of great points here to think about! Thanks, everyone. I knew I could count on you. To he honest, I think stripper, too, although I don’t know why. Our last name is one syllable, which seems to make a difference. And to Anon looking for a baby message board, I’ve looked at babycenter, babyzone, and babybump. Love the videos, articles, and general info, but hate the communities. Too many, um, how to say this? Very young moms to be. And to many rants about personal drama.

    • Anyone else see the Modern Family episode where Cameron does the Brando STELLLLLAAAAA while looking for the dog named Stella, and then squees later that he got to walk around the neighborhood and “yell ‘Stella!’ like in Streetcar!”? I found this particularly hilarious because I also used to have a dog named Stella and did the same thing…

      but to the OP’s original question: I kind of hate alliterative names to the point that avoiding them was one of my baby-naming criteria. But to each her own. There are much worse names out there now-a-days! I don’t think anyone would really think twice about Stella St___.

    • I just picture Stella from HIMYM, who was a dermatologist :)

  18. So, i just started calorie counting and whoa, they add up fast! i have always had a healthy diet (vegetarian, very little processed stuff) but i had no idea how many calories i was consuming. i have been using my fitbit app to track what i consume, but it is kind of clumsy. have people had luck with syncing fitbit with myfitnesspal?

    • I religiously use MyFitnessPal but don’t use Fitbit. My recommendation is to post on the MFP forum – I am sure there are tons of people there who use Fitbit and can help you.

    • I have my fitbit synced to MFP and really like how it works. I was already accustomed to using MFP when I got the fitbit, so it made sense for me to do it this way, but I think the database of food and the interface of MFP is better than fitbit’s food logging. Also, if you’re tracking your water intake, MFP allows you to track however many ounces you like, while fitbit’s “goal” is so low that I usually meet it by lunch. It is important to ONLY enter food/water intake on the MFP site — otherwise it will be entered twice.

  19. Make up people, please help!

    Will be in a wedding shortly. Lots of pictures. Among Make Up For Ever’s HD Invisible Cover and Mat Velvet, which will work better? Priorities are: no ghostface in photos, make me look dewy (not oily – I do have moist skin to start with), and be longwearing (no touch-ups needed, and ideally without primer).

    HD seems to leave lots of people oily, but a lot of people seem to get very pale (if not ghostly) using Mat Velvet.

    Would I get the best of both worlds by having oily skin and using Mat Velvet without primer?

    • I think the most important thing for make up in pictures is to use something that doesn’t have SPF – that is what causes ghost face.

      I haven’t personally had experience with either of those foundations… You should check out gossmakeupartist on YouTube, he has a lot of great reviews of foundations, he really loves Make Up Forever, but he goes into the hows and whys of why one is better than the other.

      • Anonymous :

        Thanks, I’ll check! Neither have SPF, but I haven’t been impressed with the Mat Velvet pics I’ve seen, and I’ve seen several warnings about HD with oily skin. I will check that guy out.

    • Gail the Goldfish :

      I’m wearing Mat Velvet today from a sephora sample I just got, and so far it seems awesome (I have super oily skin). Not sure how it works in pictures. I would just get samples of both from Sephora if you have one nearby and try them out and see which works best.

    • Gail the Goldfish :

      also, for events where I really need makeup to last, like weddings and parties, I use Urban Decay’s All Nighter makeup setting spray. They also have one called De-Slick Setting spray that’s for oily complexions, but I honestly can’t tell any difference between the two and the All Nighter seems to help makeup last a little better.

  20. UK ladies – Banana Republic are having 25% off until midnight, with code HAPPYHOUR =D

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