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For busy working women, the suit is often the easiest outfit to throw on in the morning. In general, this feature is not about interview suits for women, which should be as classic and basic as you get — instead, this feature is about the slightly different suit that is fashionable, yet professional.
This is suuuuuch a pretty skirt suit from UK brand Hobbs.
(Fun fact: so many things there are machine washable, including the skirt here! The jacket says “dry clean,” but not “dry clean only,” so you could in theory wash it carefully in the machine.)
My first thought here was that it reminds me of a Kate Middleton wore a few years ago that was so lovely it prompted a reader to write in and wonder whether it was appropriate to wear interesting suits like this to court. (K-Mid? Duchess Kate? What are we calling her these days?))
In any event: the suit is new in, so all sizes (US sizes 0-16) are in stock. The jacket is $480, and the skirt is $275.
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FugAnon
Sorry, not sorry, this looks like an old lady suit. It’s giving Dolores Umbridge.
Vicky Austin
I kinda feel like it would be ok with better styling. I hate those shoes.
Anonymous
This. Take away the shirt and shoes and this is a beautiful suit.
Velma
There’s another photo of it on the site with the jacket partly buttoned and no visible top. Looks a lot more current.
anon
With no disrespect toward my lovely grandma, she had a 1990s church suit that looked almost exactly like this.
Anon
That is funny. At my church, only men wear suits. Women are in full rufflepuff regalia. IDK what those folks wear to funerals, but suspect it is an all-black rufflepuff.
Anonymous
Younger women wear rufflepuff, but the 70+ ladies at my church would absolutely wear this suit. It’s not a business suit, it’s a church suit.
anon
70 year olds are wearing rufflepuff? I find that hard to believe!
Anon
In the SEUS, yes. Not as poofy but yes.
Anonymous
Yup. Same. Worn with a brooch.
Anon
Why do you think lawyers should only wear navy, black and grey to court? I am 57 and would wear this in a trial if it came in petite. I am sad that so many people equate color with frump.
Anonymous
It’s not the color so much as the collar.
LA Law
Whereas I think it would be lovely and appropriate in any business formal setting (lawyers, politicians, people giving presentations). The color makes it more than a basic but it is the perfect classic suit.
One of the things I have noticed lately is the disconnect between people in professions where they never need real “business formal” clothes and those who do. The latter do still exist!
Anonymous
I *love* business formal, even though I don’t really have a need for it, and I really like this suit.
Runcible Spoon
It DOES look very British royal, but would be a decent court/trial suit, professional without being too dowdy and yet not distracting, either, which is what you want as an advocate in court.
Anonymous
Agree that a colored, tailored suit without too much going on is a good choice for court.
Anon
I’ve been looking for a suit jacket in this color, and am very tempted by this (I’m an lawyer and am envisioning wearing this to court- I think the jacket would work quite nicely with black pants). Does Hobbs run true to size?
Anonymous
Yes, true to size.
Anon
I love the suit! Late 30s, not Dolores Umbridge.
NY CPA
Ohhh this suit is gorgeous! Love the color.
Anon
I wonder how Prighozin’s plane crashing will affect Wagner’s overall footprint or if it will just be absorbed into the Russian army. They have such a terrible track record globally – it would be great if they lose some strength.
Anon
“Crashing,” right?
Anon
Haha yes – “so unfortunate his plane crashed tomorrow”
Cb
Yeah, I assumed he’d be defenestrated or a mysterious car crash but shooting down a plane over a population seems like a crazy choice.
Anon
That’s exactly what I did when my husband said the plane crashed. I said “crashed” with air quotes.
If it wasn’t a plane crash I’m sure he would have fallen off a balcony or died from a rare form of food poisoning. So clumsy.
Anon
Defenestration is very on-brand for Putin.
Anon
It’s crazy to me that with the entire world watching, Putin has no compunction about just taking out his enemies like this. What would this guy do if he was allowed to act unchecked? We should all be scared of that.
Anon
Frankly, I’m surprised that he was even still alive on June 25th, much less alive and with a private jet that others were willing to get on with him. Like shocked even.
Anon
I don’t understand why Republicans, fka The Party of That Manufactured The Red Scare, don’t care about how untethered Putin is.
Anon
bc they admire him
anonshmanon
Russia has neither free elections, nor free speech or a free press. Therefore he can do whatever, just like the kings of old. People can murmur but they cannot speak freely without risking everything. 45 very obviously coveted those aspects of how dictators run their countries. He said so repeatedly.
Anon
Sounds like DeSantis.
anon
There is a long history of known and suspected hits in western countries. Think of the Salisbury, England nerve gas attack or Putin’s aide who died in a Dupont Circle hotel.
It’s fascinating how under the radar it all is: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/russian-tycoon-pavel-antov-dies-putin-ukraine/672601/
Runcible Spoon
The plane fell out the window.
Anon
Got it. It all makes sense now. Does Russian life insurance exclude windows as a known hazard?
Anon
Do private jets keep passenger lists? Here or in Russia? I’m surprised.
Anon
I’m relieved people are appropriately cynical about this. I still remember commenters here commenting on Jeffrey Epstein’s tragically neglected mental health.
anon
What do people with full bangs across do with them when working out/otherwise sweating?
Anon
Headbands/sweatbands would be my guess.
Anon from MD
I use a boby pin to adhere the bangs to the rest of my head and wear a sweat headband. I love these Maven headbands from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V4NLW34/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
I have curly hair and hate to have bangs touch my sweaty forehead and have to wear a ponytail to keep my hair off my neck. Since my hair is layered, the bobypin and bands are essential.
anon
Do you mean you pin them back on the top of your head, like flipped back from your forehead? Or to the side? I’m debating getting bangs and this is one of my main problems but I do like the idea of both bobby pins and a sweatband.
Anon from MD
To the top of my head, flipped back from my forehead yup.
Anne-on
I have Zooey Deschanel style bangs so I usually sweep them to one side and bobby pin them back to keep them off my forehead. I came in once to update a credit card at my gym and the front desk person literally didn’t recognize me because I didn’t have my bangs pinned aside!
Anon8
Looks like I’m in the minority just leaving them down to workout, but I don’t sweat a ton.
Anonymous
Grow them out.
Anonymous
Nothing.
Anon
I don’t have them now, but when working out with bangs, I used to let them get sweaty, then wash bangs only in the shower, quick blow dry when done. Often I washed all of my hair but it sometimes was OK to wait until morning for that.
Anon
I pinned them back backwards with a clip when I had them.
Anon
Any recommendations for fun things to do or restaurants for a week in Charleston, West Virginia?
Anon
Google
Anon
[removed by mgmt]
Vicky Austin
Whoa, okay, it was a snarky response but I don’t think it merited this level of vitriol.
Anon
Hopefully it will spark her to go to therapy!
Anon
[removed by mgmt]
Anon
Yeah the one with the repressed rage here seems to be you.
Anon
Wow, that really escalated… Overreact much, Anon at 2:26?
Bex
Um, wow. I don’t think you are convincing anyone that they need therapy by cursing them out (and in fact, go to therapy is the most overused insult used on this board.)
Anon
Eh Google is out of date. I would be asking one of the AIs for some itineraries as a start. (And then checking to see if its recommendations are real, but they usually are for stuff like this!)
Anonymous
I would never rely on the AI bots for travel recommendations. My husband tried asking one for a restaurant within waling distance of a certain location. It gave him a restaurant 8 miles away that had gotten bad ratings and then gone out of business.
Anonymous
Google is out of date? Jeez, so am I.
Anon
The AIs are more out of date than Google and Yelp. I think the last time ChatGPT had a major update was 2021. Multiple people have posted anecdotes here about going to a place recommended by ChatGPT only to find it shut. I would definitely recommend starting with Yelp for restaurants and Google for activities/points of interest.
Anon
I don’t use ChatGPT. Bing chat does same day searches. Of course I would still use Google and Yelp to check reviews (and whether the business is open).
Anon
I just went and tried Bing for a long conversation I’ve been having with Chat GPT. Bing did a very poor job on the same topics vs Chat GPT. It’s a very niche topic. Compared to basic googling of the topic, Chat GPT gave me more information, and Bing gave me less than Google.
Anonymous
Where do you think the AI algorithms get their information?
Anon
Lol, where do you think ChatGPT is getting its info? The hard on this board has for it is so weird to me.
Anon
Yeah I don’t know anyone in real life who uses AI like this, and I work in tech.
Anonymous
My recommendation is to go literally anywhere else.
Anon
I assume she’s going for work or is accompanying a spouse on a work trip.
Anon
New River Gorge National Park, which isn’t that far away.
test run
Interrupting all the weirdness to say I had one of the best pizzas of my life at Lola’s Pies! And it’s in a cute neighborhood where you drive up hills past really cute houses to get to it.
Anon
There’s great antiques there and it’s close to the Greenbrier, which is fun to see and lots of dining options. I ate at a lovely place with a porch that I unfortunately don’t remember the name of.
Anonymous
It’s actually a couple of hours from the Greenbrier. And the food at the Greenbrier is almost as bad as the service and the decor.
Anon
Well I love the decor there, so YMMV
PolyD
I’m kind of late, but sometimes I look for NYT 36 hours in Wherever (maybe they don’t have WV, but worth a look), and get some ideas there.
You could see if eater.com covers the area.
Anonymous
She’s the Princess of Wales.
Waffles
Thank you! I was coming here to say the same thing. She has a clear and easy title…
Anonymous
PoW
Anon
Help me use my words. I matched with a guy on Bumble and we really hit it off as far as messaging goes. It was refreshing. I agreed to go on a date with him. However, it feels like it’s spiraling out of control. First, he wants to do a full night of activities on weeknight – I work long hours at a high stress job and I usually don’t like going out (and being out late) during the week. Second, he won’t tell me what these activities are. He will only tell me the name of the restaurant he wants to take me to first, and then the rest of the night’s activities he has planned are for me to guess using puzzle clues that he gives me (and must be sent over email so he asked for my email address). I already mentioned my high strung job, but I also have social anxiety, regular anxiety, and I’m not an “activities” person. I appreciate all the work he’s putting into this date and he’s a nice guy, but I’m much more “let’s sit in a quiet bar and get to know one another.” I asked him if we could do that instead on a Friday night and he said no, that he really wants to do whatever activities he has planned as a first date and they can only be done on certain nights of the week. Then he agreed for a regular Friday night date as second date.
I feel so deep into this whole thing and I’ve been too agreeable the whole time, when in reality he is stressing me out. How do I use my words to get out of this whole thing?
Anon
Nope nope nope. A first day is always short and casual. You haven’t even met this guy?! And he’s planning activities with a puzzle?!! JFC. You need to shut it down. Do not go on a date with him. All you need to say is, “I’m not available for a date any longer, best of luck” and block him. That’s it.
Anon
I also wanted to add, no reasonable man would ever expect a woman to commit to a full evening of secret activities on a first date because a reasonable man would understand how inappropriate and unsafe that is.
Anonymous
+1
The one time I went on a date with a guy who I felt was pushing a little hard but my friends had talked me into (like Explorette below – “how bad can it be?” “YOLO” etc), I was in and out in 10 minutes. The waitress hadn’t even come around to take our drink order yet! He skeeved me out. Things that I had written off in messages were worse IRL. As I was leaving, he said, “But I drove an hour here!”, to which I said something like “enjoy the hour home.”
When you meet Mr. Right, he’ll be Mr. Right in part because he listens and understands your busy career and you won’t need to talk yourself into or out of anything. Got married to my Tinder guy 5 years ago. They’re out there. Stay true to yourself.
Anon8
+1 He’s coming on way too strong. Red flags all over. I’d unmatch or block or whatever.
Anon
+1,000
Anon8
Might I add, biggest red flag of all: “I asked him if we could do that instead on a Friday night and he said no.”
He’s so wrapped up in the idea of his grand romantic gesture he literally doesn’t care if you like it or not.
No Face
Ooooh, this slipped past me. I change my opinion. Do not go on a date with this guy.
Do not go on dates with people who lie or disrespect your boundaries, ever.
Trish
This is giving ME anxiety! I would tell him that if he wants to meet you, it will be on Friday night for a drink only.
Anon
“Chad, thank you for planning the date. In further reflection, I don’t think we are a match. Best of luck finding someone.”
Anon
Why be so polite?
“No, I don’t want to.”
Anon
Possibly because my default is to be polite?
Explorette
Wow that is a lot for a first date! I was typing up a sample response for you, but as I was doing it, I changed my mind and think you should lean into saying yes to this experience. No one will ever do this again for you. I’m really curious what all these activities are and how it will work. Appreciate that you get to have a very unique experience even if it means you are not firing on all cylinders the next day. It’s one night of your life.
Anon
No, this is terrible.
Anon
Oh he11 no.
Girl, say, “On second thought, we aren’t a match. Good luck.” Block and route his emails by rule to the trash.
Anon
Ummm no. Not with someone who wants to push her boundaries like this!
Anon
No no no. OP told the guy she’s not into this and he refused to back off. A guy who won’t take no for an answer is a guy you don’t want to be involved with.
“I’m not comfortable with this. It seems like we’re not a match.” Then unmatch.
Anon
He is doing way too much. It’s a nice sentiment, but the fact that he’s saying ‘no’ to you makes it clear this isn’t for you, it’s for him. Romantic gestures that don’t take into account the person’s interests aren’t romantic.
You need to use your words assertively. “So sorry for saying this sooner, but I don’t have bandwidth for activities or late nights during the workweek. Does Friday 7 pm at [Bar you like] work for you?”
Don’t leave room to negotiate. If he doesn’t respect this boundary, he’s not worth your time.
Anon
Agree with all of this.
Anon
OP here – I should add that he told me to expect to walk at least 2 miles
Anon
This strikes me as the type of guy who is so into his own idea of himself as a nice guy / catch that he thinks of what will make a big impression without thinking about the other person. I would steer clear, since I think it’s characteristic of people with narcissistic and self-absorbed tendencies. My ex was like this, and it ropes you in at first but is eventually coupled with a lot of ego and inability to see himself as wrong / see what the other person feels is valid.
Anon
+10000000000
The above scripts that say something like “Upon further reflection I don’t think we’re a match.”
Anonymous
Nope nope nope. A first date is for casually meeting at a coffee shop or bar. It is never, ever for a two mile walk anywhere. (Do you really want to go out with someone who isn’t in tune with women’s concerns about safety? Two mile walk to end up in a ditch! Yikes no!)
Anon
Absolutely not. Time to use your words OP and say no.
Anonymous
Hard no. I’d message him with “I appreciate you putting a lot of time and thought into this but we just aren’t on the same wavelength. This date is not going to work for me and I wish the best in finding a good match.” Unmatch, block and leave it at that. The weird bumble dates I experienced happened when I went against my instincts. Nope right out of this situation.
Runcible Spoon
I would suggest NOT indicating you appreciate his putting a lot of time and thought into this — that’s particularly what is turning everyone off, so I would kindly not encourage him to replicate this tactic with some other woman. If you want to be polite, you could say something like, “Thanks for your interest, but we don’t seem to be a good match. Good luck.” And then decline any further engagement with him by blocking, etc. Lack of transparency signals some measure of risk and danger.
Anon
Hard no. Bow out or ghost. Block his number, block or unmatch on the app etc. He’s not hearing what you tell him, and tbh I think you’d be uncomfortable on the date if you do end up somehow getting the first date changed to something lowkey.
This could be cute for an anniversary date with someone who knows you and respects you preferences. Not a first date off an app.
Anonymous
Tell him to F off. Gently.
Anon
This is way way way way too much for a date this early in the relationship. MAJOR red flag alert, especially the part where you’re trying to tell him what your life is like, and what you do and don’t want to do after work, and he’s not listening/doesn’t care. This is what lovebombing looks like, just FYI.
There are people out there who invent fantasy relationships in their minds and then try to force-fit people they meet into the fantasy. Who the person really is doesn’t matter; it’s just about executing their fantasy of The Perfect Date or The Perfect Relationship. This whole scenario to me has “Good Guy” vibes, like – “I’m such good guy; I’m a hopeless romantic! Why won’t women date me???” And believe me – there’s always a really scary reason why the guy can’t get or keep a girlfriend. Run, run, run.
I would send a text that says something like “This conversation is making me see that we are not a good match, and so it’s best if we both move on. Best of luck to you in the future” and then block him on EVERYTHING, even your LinkedIn.
No Face
Wait -this is a first date? Wow!
Personally, I do not like surprises so I would be a no at any point in a relationship. I especially am not going to agree to do some stranger’s puzzles.
“I appreciate the sentiment but I don’t like surprises and I like to relax and get to know someone on a date. If you are interested in just drinks/coffee/dinner, I’m game.” But honestly, be mentally prepared to not date this guy.
anon
This response is perfect.
I am VERY CURIOUS what he’s planned, but I would also find this really weird and offputting.
Cat
Same. This is weird, over-the-top, and completely out of sync with early dating safety. If he doesn’t absorb the message above and back off, I’d cancel altogether.
Anon
I wouldn’t even offer to meet him for drinks/coffee/dinner. There are red flags all over the place and OP doesn’t need to spend another minute talking to this guy.
No Face
I agree with you now!
Anonymous
Yup. This is coming across like the start of a crime podcast. Hard pass.
Anon
Second location!
Red flags and sirens all over.
Anon
Yep, I have listened to way too many true crime podcasts and I am proud of that fact. And this is exactly how so many of the “and then the guy showed up at her house with a bunch of rope and a knife” stories start: with the Great Guy who just wants to do the Grand Romantic Gesture and Seems Too Good to be True.
Anon
Someone told me I would be walking a long distance in high heels because they didn’t want to rent a taxi. I canceled the entire trip. Please do not go out with this guy. It could be a dangerous situation for you. Please!
Anonymous
Personally, I would cancel and block.
He’s showing you – before you’ve even been on a date! – that he’s not really that nice of a guy, he’s more involved with his own plans and POV than listening to your input. He’s showing you that your preferences are a low priority compared to his self image as dating genius. It’s not charming to ignore your potential date’s input. Do not give him your email or phone number.
Anon
He sounds like a control freak. This is not a great first impression so stop wasting your time and go find someone who can take no for an answer.
Anonymous
I read somewhere that turning a date into a multi-activity date with different locations is some kind of red pill or pick up artist tactic. It’s designed to make you feel like you have been dating someone longer, to create a sense of intimacy much faster. I’d block and delete, especially because he didn’t respect your boundary when you asked to move this adventure or whatever it is to a Friday night.
Monday
Yeah–luckily I don’t know much about PUA, but this sounds like a Move from a Playbook of some kind, and it’s problematic for all the reasons people have already pointed out. I would no longer be interested in meeting him at all. Send a totally bland message saying the plans are off, and then immediately un-match or block or whatever so he can’t reply. (Since he sounds like the type who will argue, question, or lash out.)
Anon
I was just thinking the same thing. This sounds like a desperate incel tactic.
anon
Ewww. Hadn’t even thought about that, but you’re right.
Anon
OP again – thank you ALL. I just sent him a message saying we are not a match and i wish him luck, etc.
Anon
He sent me nothing but a thumbs up ha. Whatever dude.
Anon
Jk, he has now sent two follow up messages. I’m deleting and blocking. Thanks all!
Cat
Did you give him your email address or any other “real” info? Be careful if so and good work bailing now!
Anon
If the follow-up messages contain the kind of dreck I think they do, send them to beammeupsoftboi on Instagram!
Anon
Good for you!!
Next time, my advice is to not get deep into messaging with guys before you meet them, because it ends up with you feeling emotionally involved. Meet for a drink/coffee quickly instead. Never go anywhere with him on a first date.
Anon
What were the follow-up messages? We deserve to know!
Runcible Spoon
I’m not surprised at these stalker vibes. Good job cutting him off hard, he was bad news.
Senior Attorney
Good call!! Onward…
Anonymous
I’m just going to put it out there that this is very similar to what my abusive father did to hook my mother, and it took her a very long time to get out.
He’s completely dismissing you and making the entire thing about what he wants, and the chances are very high that he will come on very strongly and love-bomb you right out of the gate.
Getting away now will be a lot easier than getting away later.
Explorette
Oh I should have clarified, I do not think this guy is the right fit for OP at all! My point was it could be an interesting evening and to go have that experience.
For actually dating this guy, oh h e double l no. He has no respect for what you want or need and only cares about what he wants. You said you are not an activities person, and he is clearly very into activities. This won’t decrease as you start dating, and is a reflection of what your life together will be like. So no, you are not a fit and should not go on more than one date with him.
Anon
I don’t think you’re compatible.
anon
whew…. this thread totally stressed me out
Thank goodness you said no. Now I can sleep.
Anon
Has anyone tried Mint Mobile? Looking at my phone bill and considering switching!
Anon
I want to know this also. It almost seems too good to be true.
Anonymous
Yes, I tried Mint Mobile for about a year. It was okay at first, but then I had poor cell coverage and lots of dropped calls. I switched to Visible, and am having the same problems, so may need to grit my teeth and pay more money for Verizon or AT&T.
Anonymous
Try Consumer Cellular?
Anon
That sounds like you’re in a bad reception area. Can you look up what cell providers have towers in your area? Mint uses the T Mobile network. I had previously had T Mobile before switching to Mint, and I’ve luckily never had coverage issues on either.
Anon
I used it for years. I only just switched to Tello because it’s even cheaper for my usage patterns.
I liked their customer service (especially after having had a big name carrier with circle of hell customer service previously!). I remember I had a problem with call quality once, and they fixed it quickly after just chatting.
Anon
I tried Mint Mobile a few years ago. The cell signal in my area was ok, but I had trouble with roaming in Europe, which their website had not prepared me for. Customer service was subpar overall. If you are looking to save money, have you considered Google Fi?
Anon Elder Millennial
Yes! For several years. There’s places where my cell coverage isn’t great but my friend with a TMobile line has the same issues in the same spots. Using it internationally is a pain and that’s really the only downside. Everything else is great.
anon
I haven’t, but if you are looking for a cheaper option Google Fi is excellent and dirt cheap.
Anonymous
We got my son an account there for his phone – their coverage is good for the limited area where we are. My husband and I are still on my parents’ cell plan and the Mint account is super cheap. Good for what we need it for, which is an in case of emergency phone for a kid who doesn’t use it mch. (he’s 11.)
Anon
My husband and I have had Mint Mobile since 2020 without any issues. It didn’t work in Europe or the Caribbean, at all, so I had to buy SIM cards, which wasn’t a dealbreaker. It’s super cheap!
Anecdata
I had mint in 2020 and it was fine, was mostly in the bay area sob coverage wasn’t a huge concern though (it runs in TMobile which has less rural capacity than the other carriers)
Plus at the start of *everything in 2020*, I got a voicemail from Ryan Reynolds saying anyone who needed it could get extra data free, so that was kinda cool
Anonymous
I should ask this tomorrow, but – my bond funds are all tanking. what is everyone investing in to diversify away from stocks and stock funds? (already have $ in Cds and treasury bonds)
anon
This is normal for what is happening in the short term. Bonds are there for long term stability. You should have decided on an asset allocation already %stocks/bonds, and best to hold those percentages and ride things out in the short term. Or rebalance now if you haven’t in awhile. Yes, bonds will be slow for awhile. It’s up to you if you feel more confident with having all of your $ in the market instead, as things waver for the next year or so…
If you are trying to decide what to do with new conservative money for the short term, then money market funds are doing great right now. Look at the best ones you have access to. I have a lot in the best yield funds at Fidelity and Vanguard.
Anonymous
that’s what i thought – long term stability – but the 5 and 10-year YTDs are like 1%… i’m getting better than that at my savings accounts. but my father was saying that bonds and bond funds are harder to do cost/basis on? need to google more.
Anon
Anyone else watching the debate?
Anon
No but I know Vivek and it’s SOOOO weird that someone I know personally has gotten this close to the presidency (even though I realize it’s still really unlikely he’ll win).
Anon
It’s disturbing that someone who thinks climate change is a hoax and who wants to disenfranchise voters under 25 is on that stage.