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Our daily TPS reports suggest one piece of work-appropriate attire in a range of prices. This plunge tie collar blouse caught my eye last week when we featured the Rachel Zoe suit — I think it's particularly interesting to compare this one (which to me has a 70s vibe) with others we've seen recently, like the one from Asos or the BR Mad Men collection. To me, it's all in the sleeves — love the overly long, almost pooling effect of the sleeves, as well as the sharp V in front. This blouse is $295 at Bloomingdale's (available in both ecru, pictured, and black.) Rachel Zoe Long Sleeve Plunge Tie Collar Blouse Seen a great piece you'd like to recommend? Please e-mail editor@corporette.com with “TPS” in the subject line. (L-3)Sales of note for 9.30.24
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- Target – Car-seat trade-in event through 9/28 — bring in an old car seat to get a 20% discount on other baby/toddler stuff.
- White House Black Market – 40% off select styles
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GRA
I love this blouse, but anything “plunging” makes me nervous for work.
IA_Eng
Exactly.
SAlit-a-gator
I love the vintage vibe of this shirt. This could be great depending on the amount of “plunge” involved. The less the better in my book.
Sorry for the early threadjack, but I need some advice from the hive mind: I’m looking at changing my Walmart rimless frames to something of higher quality. Neither Lenscrafters nor EyeMasters seems to have more than 1-2 rimless frames in stock and most of them are really plain. Does anybody have any recommendations for brands of rimless frames or online frame retailers I can look up? My budget is $300 and I want something really classy, modern, and high quality. I’ve heard some online retails sell designer frames at a discount. Anybody have any experience with that? TIA
Always a NYer
I have a pair of Burberry frames that I’ve had for years and I love them. They aren’t completely rimmless though, the top half has goldtone metal around them with the bottom plain. I bought them from a local eyeglass store but I think altogether they were about $320. I think you can find them online and I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some rimless glasses by Burberry. They’re very good quality and I love that the case they came in has the classic Burberry check =)
Anon
Not sure if they do online ordering, but See Eyewear has some great rimless glasses. I have a pair I really like – super lightweight, flexible sides (so they are good for running), nearly invisible.
another anon
Try Kazuo Kawasaki. They are all rimless, very modern, and everything is interchangeable (lens shapes, the stem colors, etc.). And they size them to your face, and they’re very lightweight. They may be outside your budget though, depending on your script and how much your insurance will cover.
Eponine
Do you have ForEyes near you? I have had a couple rimless pairs from them, which seemed pretty chic to me and were definitely high quality.
KateL
Some online vendors to look at – Frames Direct, Zenni Optical, Warby Parker (I think they only have semi-rimless). I purchased a complete pair of glasses from Zenni (frames/lenses) and was happy with the experience. I have also ordered just frames and had a local optical shop put the lenses in them – this tends to mute the discount a little because there is often a discount for frames + lenses purchase but not lenses alone.
lawtalkinggirl
I’ve been quite happy with my semi-rimless glasses from eyebuydirect.com – about $65 for frames, lenses and shipping. They also have some more expensive designer frames. I’m not convinced that spending more money gets you higher quality frames – aren’t they basically all made in the same factory/ies in China?
Always a NYer
I loved how this blouse looked under the suit but when I saw it on its own with that bow, I couldn’t. The sleeves look nice and long which isn’t easy to find but I’d never wear something with that big a bow, especially to work and under a suit. Too bad these designers insist on these adding frill like this. I miss the days of finding a really nice, simple blouse that isn’t hideous or frumpy.
Lyssa
I agree. I’m completely not a fan of the bow in the front look. I do like the way this blouse drapes, though.
N
There is something wonky about the neckline, to me. It feels like the bow is too heavy for the collar, and so have slid down the chest from the neck.
(I had a friend in high school who had a similar thing happen to an eyebrow piercing, come to think of it.)
Bonnie
I think the bow is just too low and hits at a weird spot.
Anonymous
Like gift-wrapped bosoms.
Alanna of Trebond
Amazing statement. You have a way with words, dear woman!
Anonymous
(Trying to get around the company’s filters!)
AEK
Dunno… it’s one thing to have a tie-neck blouse, but this bow is right between the boobs. Work clothes shouldn’t say: “I’m your present, unwrap me.” Then again, at the same time, this blouse reads frumpy, not sexy, to me, so maybe it’s not a problem. Anyway, I’m not a fan of the look, and I think it would be uncomfortable under a suit.
Mella
If I remember correctly, a tie-neck blouse with a bow is part of the foreplay between the accused lawyer protagonist and the murder victim lawyer in Presumed Innocent. In the book, he starts fantasizing about her (while in court even?) and untying that tantalizing bow is a big part of it.
Rural Juror
Anyone have info on the fit/sizing of Pour la Victoire shoes? I’m normally a 6 in say, Nine West, but am sometimes a 6.5 in brands like J Crew.
anon
I’d say they are fairly consistent with j crew and cole haan sizing. I find that nine west runs a bit big. E.g., I wear a 7 in pour la victoire, j crew, cole haan, and most other higher end brands, but a 6.5 in nine west.
I have two pairs of pour la victoire shoes, and really like both. Good footbed padding, high quality shoes.
Anonymous
IMO they run about a half size smaller than Nine West. I wear a straight 7 in Nine West (and could sometimes even go down to a 6.5), but PLV 7s pinch the heck out of me.
Reader
No info, unfortunately, but I think that brand produces very cute shoes. The company manages to create a vintage feel in a seemingly wearable shoe that’s not outrageously expensive. Everything I’ve seen on line has been too big for me. Good luck.
If you go on a website like Zappos or Shoebuy.com you may be able to get a number for a customer sales rep. I once had a question about whether I could wear a child’s Hunter rainboot. The rep confirmed I could.
SS
I would say they’re pretty true to size – I’m a 7.5 in PlV, as in Nine West. They are amazingly comfortable. I got the magenta pumps featured here: https://corporette.com/2011/03/03/coffee-break-prixie-pump/ for $78 and get compliments on them literally every time I wear them. Easy to walk a couple of miles in them as well.
lawtalkinggirl
True to size. I have the same Prixie pumps in 8.5 and they are very comfy.
Anonymous
I love tie neck blouses but I like when the bow is higher up on the collar, and with a “full blouse” underneath. I think it makes it look more like a sharp and well styled detail that way rather than a hey look at my chest.
Yankee Peach
IDK, this has a Faye Dunaway in Network sort of vibe that on me would look dated, not vintage — as if I didn’t have anything to wear and my mom gave me some of her old separates from the ’70s.
TheMightyB
The thing about tie necks is that they’re self tie. I prefer tying it in a knot as opposed to a bow, looks more sharp in my opinion.
IA_Eng
I picked up a tie-neck blouse at Kohl’s this past weekend (just looked but couldn’t find it online) that I’m wearing to work today – it has a much smaller bow than other such blouses I’ve seen; as others have said the big bows look too messy and unprofessional.
Bunkster
I had an odd thing happen today. As I was getting on the T this morning, I realized my badge was no longer attached to me. Stupid pants with no belt loops!
So I get to work and I have to wait for someone to let me on to my floor, etc. But then just before 9 this morning, I get an email from someone AT MY COMPANY saying she found my badge in the parking lot at Quincy/Adams.
My company is not large at all. I’d say there are about 500 people in the Boston office. What are the odds? I may have to buy a lottery ticket today.
Bonnie
That is really odd.
Kady
maybe everyone from your company lives in Quincy. J/K
Always a NYer
You need to buy a lotto ticket ;)
Eponine
It’s not that surprising actually because the badge probably jumped out at her, since it looks just like hers. You’re more likely to notice something familiar that’s been dropped on the ground than something you’ve never seen before. So a zillion commuters probably walked right by it, but it jumped out at her.
But still, buy a lottery ticket :).
Bunkster
Actually, it doesn’t necessarily look like hers. All it has on it is my picture, my name and the acronym for my department. It doesn’t even have the company name or logo.
Plus, thousands of people pass through the station and I park in a really obscure section (outside instead of in the garage). I park there because I can then pay for my parking via an app, instead of by cash.
SeaElle
I have to say I prefer the BR Mad Men shirts over this one. While the colors are limited, and I would prefer a nice neutral, I think the placement and width of the tie pieces are more attractive. The pieces that you tie actually appear to be more delicate in the BR blouses (if that makes sense).
I do like how long the sleeves are. I prefer my sleeves to run a little longer.
No Drama Momma
I like the bow, but the problem to me is that the bow prevents the shirt from looking good with something underneath, which it needs because of the plunging neckline (IMO). I definitely couldn’t wear that to the office as-is. I wonder if it is possible to sew it shut a bit? Or would that look silly? I would have to see it in person, I guess.
Anonymous
After jumping on the BR Mad Men shirts and spending more than I wanted to on a polyester shirt, I went to the mall and noticed that The Limited has a version of this shirt, with a smaller bow and higher neckline, in numerous patterns and colors and at a much lower price, but with short sleeves. I love the sleeves on the shirt above, but living in the South, a short sleeved shirt is perfect under my suits most days of the year. The higher neckline seems more work-appropriate, though perhaps not as high fashion.
Reader
The precipitous plunge is the blouse’s undoing.
Anyone who is seriously taking style tips from “Mad Men” is not watching the program very carefully, in my opinion. The costume and set design choices are impeccable. They serve to recreate a repressed, sexist era to which I have no desire to return. And there’s still plenty of room for improvement today.
Most of the pieces in that BR collection look like fugly costumes.
Two new programs are debuting that are set in the Sixties. One deals with aspiring young Playboy bunnies, the other with aspiring young stewardesses (“Fly Me!”). I read an article that said this nostalgia is about men feeling insecure and wanting to fantasize about the good old days. I’m inclined to agree.
Em
Yeah, I think Mad Men is absolutely brilliant, but not something to aspire to. That said, the clothes are gorgeous so I can see the appeal if we can divorce them from their context (which I’m not sure we’re at as a society). The other two shows, though, look like they’ve missed the point of what makes Mad Men about as badly as anyone can (or, rather, expect their potential audience to have missed it and thus not mind watching Mad Men without the social commentary). Depressing.
Argie
Well, I see Mad Men more about the breaking free of the repressed, sexist era, and as a reminder of what my foremothers went through to make it acceptable for me to expect to hold a job, support myself, and have my contribution valued. I don’t think wearing a pencil skirt, a shirt dress, a twin set or a sheath dress is going to undermine that or cause the guys in my office to regress to that repressed, sexist age (that most of them were NOT raised in).
Now, if I were to wear a playboy bunny costume to work, you might have a point.
Kady
Agree, but I think you are missing Reader’s point – that the Mad Men society was more repressed and sexist, which is why the female protagonists have to struggle to free themselves from their designated “places”. And because it was a more repressed and sexist era, the clothes have to walk that delicate line of being both puritanical (high necklines, low hemlines) and still emphasize women’s roles as objet d’art for men’s “appreciation” (skin tight, curvy).
DC Kolchitongi
I love 60’s-inspired fashion because it is so much more flattering on my small-waisted, large-bootied body than anything that’s been fashionable since. The husband likes it on me for the same reason… IT LOOKS GOOD…. that’s really all there is to it.
My husband, btw, grew up in a notoriously patriarchal and traditional country and yet went out of his way to marry an independent, career-oriented American woman because he wanted his marriage to be an equal partnership.
I see what you’re saying about the 60s being a terrible time that we shouldn’t want to return to. But seriously, that is completely orthogonal to liking the fashion.
Argie
You said it much better. And bonus points for using orthogonal.
Wearing 60s inspired clothes isn’t going to return society to the sexist repressed ways of the 60s.
DC Kolchitongi
Ha, I don’t know why but that word has really stuck with me from undergrad econometrics. It’s so useful!
Anonymous
Oh, this is a bad as the complaint from the other day that BR wants us to look like secretaries. The beauty of the trend is that we no longer have to wear shoulder pads and stupid tie shirts to compete with the men. We can look like women. I love Mad Men and I love the clothes. Lighten up for the love of God!
Emma
Anyone else wondering when the vintage look for career wear is going to trend out? Bow blouses have been “in” for a few years now. I used to love them, but now I’m getting a little tired of them and looking forward to their demise.
Reader
I love vintage looks; I don’t look good in head-to-toe modern. But it has to be intelligently revised vintage-inspired, with decent fabric.
Diana Barry
This is way too low-cut for work IMO, and it does give off the vintage (in a bad way) vibe.
I can’t do tie-neck blouses at all – this kind is too low-cut and then the ones that button all the way up remind me of my mom’s church blouses from the 80s.
Kim
I have to admit that I prefer the ones that button up further. You can then leave the buttons open as low as you are comfortable with and have more flexibility for positioning the bow. I agree that tying the bow directly under your chin really does feel too 80s-hipster for my tastes.
Monday
Checking in with another random makeup plug: I have very sensitive eyes and wear contacts, but recently concluded that I needed to switch to waterproof eyeliner because my regular was forever falling off. I prefer pencil, so liquid pens were out. I am loving a new waterproof pencil from Tarte because it’s junk-free in the ingredients, so I feel ok about inevitably getting some in my eyes as I am smudging it and then washing it off at night. It’s pricey, but I think it will last well, and I really couldn’t find anything comparable at a lower price. Also, the colors are FABULOUS. Somehow just right–I agonized for a long time at Sephora trying to talk myself out of this splurge! http://tartecosmetics.com/tarte-item-smoldereyes-eyeliner
Lyssa
On the same note, I’m looking for an eyeliner that won’t end up below my eye. I’ve tried everything: only lining the top lid (it still somehow migrates), using various brands, smudging well to start, etc., but I still constantly wind up with a smudge a few millimeters below my left eye (not usually my right- go figure). Liquid doesn’t seem to cause a problem, but I don’t really like liquid for everyday use. It helps some to rub a good smudge of pressed powder in the area, but it still happens a lot.
I’m open to recommendations!
Ru
Use eyeshadow primer before you wear eyeliner – I like the one by Smashbox but I’m going to try the Urban Decay one next. Also, the least non-smudgy pencil eyeliner I’ve found is Revlon colorstay. Some of my girlfriends swear by MAC but I don’t find the colors as saturated as Revlon or Stila but if you’re looking for a softer look, then MAC works, too.
http://www.sephora.com/browse/product.jhtml?id=P232323&shouldPaginate=true&categoryId=3990
http://www.sephora.com/browse/product.jhtml?id=P284718&categoryId=C10461
Monday
Are you totally sure that it isn’t your mascara that’s flaking off? I used to have that problem, and found that lash primer acts as a kind of adhesive and helps it stay on. So I wear lash primer on both top and bottom.
Otherwise, not sure–but the fact that it’s only in one eye makes me think that eye is watering more or something. That happens to me as well, but only at the corners.
Lyssa
I am sure that it’s the liner, not the mascara, as I’ve tried just skipping the mascara and it still is a problem.
Bonnie
I love this eyeliner from Physician’s Formula. It’s a liquid in a felt tip marker so it’s really easy to apply. I stays on well and I haven’t had any problem with it smudging since it dries on quickly. http://www.amazon.com/Physicians-Formula-Definer-Felt-Tip-Marker/dp/B001KYNWAK
SF Bay Associate
Bobbi Brown gel eyeliner – stays all day.
Nonny
I love MAC Fluidliner. I know you said that you prefer not to use liquid for everyday use, but since the Fluidliner is applied with a brush, you can control the amount you use and how light or heavy it appears. I used to use a basic pencil eyeliner but tried Fluidliner once and was completely converted. Now I use it every day. Have not had any smudging problems with it, it stays on all day and comes off nicely at night with normal facial cleanser.
Anonymous
bobbi brown gel eyeliner. Doesn’t budge.
Ru
I got the tarte clay eyeliner/shadow in a pot and it’s AMAZING. I love it, even for lining my water line. I got the trio (black, green and bronze) for $39, I think. Great value and the colors are so saturated. Be careful of putting on more than you need because the excess will flake off (which is awful if you wear contacts). The brush is so easy to use. http://www.sephora.com/browse/product.jhtml?id=P262304&shouldPaginate=true&categoryId=5648
LadyEnginerd
Thanks for the review! I’ll keep it in mind for weekends.
At work, I’m a fan of tightlining my eyes Laura Mercier cake liners and brush. Over here in nerd land, people comment when I noticeable makeup or, for that matter, a skirt. Tightlining seems to make me look polished and not like I have a big date later.
LadyEnginerd
Oh, on the ‘staying put’ front: I find that once the LM stuff is on, it stays. If you use water to apply, it comes of easily too! I do occasionally stab myself in the eye while putting it on, causing me to briefly cry black or blue tears for a minute or two. Definitely put on before concealer :)
K
I use this stuff and I love it! It stays well and doesn’t irritate my eyes, so it’s a winner. It’s more than I would normally shell out for eyeliner, but they last a decently long time. I love their off white shade for brightening up tired eyes. It’s my go-to on Monday mornings!
The Online Shopper
Tie blouses are fabulous, I think. This one is also available in an animal print (which normally I am not a huge fan of, but I think looks smashing under a dark suit) at Piperlime. I posted on the look last week:
http://theonlineshopper.blogspot.com/2011/08/wear-it-to-work-monday-rachel-zoe.html
Lynnet
How many of you lawyers had jobs lined up when you graduated from law school? And if you didn’t, how long did it take you to find a job?
I’ve been feeling like an enormous failure for not having a job yet, but I talked to a lot of attorneys today who made me think it’s more normal than law students think it is. I think hearing from all of the successful corporettes who didn’t have jobs right out of law school will make me (and any other readers looking for jobs) feel a lot better.
Anon
I was lucky and had a job, but graduated in ’07 before everything changed. Many people in my class did not have jobs yet (top 25 school), but they are almost without exception all employed with great jobs now.
These days it takes perserverence. If you just graduated and finished the bar, start networking like crazy and keep an open mind about your field of practice. Maybe try to get some contract work with a few different firms just to get something on your resume and meet some attorneys who might transition you to full time or know someone who will. Good luck!!
lawtalkinggirl
I also graduated in 2007 and had a job lined up, BUT a friend of mine in the same class was on law review at our top-10 school and was out of a job for several months before landing at a job she still hates in the city we went to school in. I have another friend who is a 2008 grad of a top-25 school and it took him two moves and ten months to finally find a job. It is totally normal these days to not have a job upon graduation. It is not you, it is the economy. It sucks, it really does.
anon
C/O 2008, top 25% class rank, top 40 school with a strong regional reputation – I was one of the few with a biglaw spot on graduation. I got lucky. About half of my friends (most with a lower class rank for whatever reason) did not have any job lined up. Several of my friends still do not have full-time attorney jobs, and two have changed careers entirely, having never found a full-time attorney job. Meanwhile, my SO is c/o 2009, top 33% rank, same school, is underemployed and still looking for full-time attorney employment. Many of his friends are unemployed or underemployed as well.
This economy STINKS.
Divaliscious11
Well, I had a clerkship and big law job lined up, but this was in the early 2000’s. Don’t feel bad, though. I have a good friend, who happens to be a great attorney (double Ivy) who has been unemployed for two years. Its the market….
NJEsq
I did but it was a clerkship, I then didn’t have a job lined up after the clerkship until I got a call for an interview on my last day. That was last year and since it’s only gotten worse this year… don’t sweat it!
Road Warriorette
I like the idea of this blouse, but the execution doesn’t work for me. Plus I would show an excessive amount of cleavage with the “plunging neckline”.
This morning I was listening to NPR, and they reported on a study done in San Antonio that found out mean people make more money. Not like NGDGTCO stand up for yourself assertiveness, but like disagreeable people. I thought it was very interesting. The WSJ article about the study raises some very interesting points about expectations of men vs. women. All that aside, I’ve worked with disagreeable people, and not only do they seem very unhappy, they make life terrible for those around them. Is it worth it to be miserable and cause misery to make 5-10% more per year? My opinion is no, but I am very curious to see what the rest of the hivemind thinks. I’ll post a link separately to avoid moderation.
My apologies if this was discussed already on a different thread.
Road Warriorette
A link to the WSJ article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904823804576502763895892974.html
Lobbyist
From WSJ how to look and act like a leader:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904140604576498380000356032.html?mod=WSJ_article_onespot
eo
Just wanted to let everyone know about a WSJ live chat that is coming up at noon Eastern (now) on salary negotiation. Google “WSJ salary negotiation tips the juggle” and it’ll come up. I have no idea if it will be worthwhile or not, but I’m going to give it a shot.
AJ
Makeup related threadjack: I need a new mascara. Currently I use L’Oreal Telescopic, which works okay, but not great. For reference, I have long, curly lashes already. They aren’t incredibly thick, but I find thickening mascaras cause a lot of clumping for me.
Mostly I’m just looking for a non-clumping mascara that provides some definition, since this is the only eye makeup I can figure out how to put on.
Diana Barry
I have had good success with both L’Oreal Voluminous and Sephora brand. The latter came as a freebie and it is my favorite mascara so far!
I also found that my eyes look great when I really make an effort to get the mascara onto the corner lashes.
Jess
Agreed on the Sephora brand! Got a sample free and love it!
Always a NYer
I swear by CoverGirl LashBlast. I love the applicator, the brush is plastic instead of the traditional brush and I find it clumps less because of it. Not to mention its like $8 and better than the most expensive mascaras I’ve tried.
R in Boston
I really love my Blinc mascara. It requires a combination of water and pressure to take off (i.e. washing your face and pressing on your lashes), so it doesn’t come off in the rain or when I rub my eyes all afternoon but also doesn’t require eye make up remover. I’ve found it to be pretty good on the definition/non-clumping front.
M in CA
I love Blinc. I alternate between that and YSL’s mascara, the one that comes in different colors. I’m obsessed with their navy, purple, and gray.
Kanye East
Co-signed. Blinc is amazing.
Eponine
Maybelline Full and Soft is my favorite, and its’ the only eye makeup I wear too.
Emma
PSA: Rent the Runway has a great clearance going on right now with fashion jewelry (dresses as well):
http://www.renttherunway.com/clearance/accessories
lostintranslation
Question: how do you guys sign off of most of your e-mails? While this is NOT the biggest of issues, it’s one of those things that can still pack a negative punch in the impressions department. For example, I get e-mails from high schoolers or lower division undergrads I mentor who sign off “Best, (Name)”, and it always seems a little arrogant in that context and is the last thing I read in their e-mail. If an e-mail is really important, I think about what is appropriate in that situation, but I want something I can just fire off in autopilot for generic e-mails. What would you recommend?
Anon
Why do you think “Best” is arrogant? I use Best, Thanks, Sincerely or just my name depending on the individual/the situation. I use “Thanks” most frequently.
I can’t stand it when people use “Thanks much”. I can’t quite put my finger on why.
Eponine
Because it’s grammatically incorrect? They’re confusing many and much. It should be “many thanks” because they are using “thanks” as a noun. It’s correct to say “thank you very much”, but that’s because “thank” is being used as a verb: (I) thank you very much.
Anon
I sign my emails “Best,”. I never thought that wuold be read as “arrogant”.
another anon
I can see how just “Best” could bug someone. It seems a bit informal. Depending on the formaility level, I use “Sincerely,” “Best regards,” “Kind regards,” and “Thanks,”. Best/kind regards is what I tend to use most frequently for email communications with clients, and I usually use “thanks” when emailing someone at my company. “Sincerely” is usually saved for emails to people I’ve never met, or where the situation otherwise calls for a higher level of formality.
A Regular Lurker
I used to hate “Best,” too, when I was in undergrad. I think it seemed pretentious or something. I must have gotten used to it, though, or maybe I’ve just concluded that there is just not a better sign-off for informal e-mails. Sometimes I skip the sign off and just write my name. I’m a big “Thanks” user, but it doesn’t always seem appropriate. I like “Cheers” more than “Best,” but I haven’t seen the former in common use.
Carla
I used to work at two big news companies where “Cheers” was used by everyone, from the CEOs on down, and I still use it regularly.
Nonny
My generic go-to: “Regards, Nonny”
Or, a little bit friendlier, for clients: “Thanks and regards, Nonny”
Or, someone I really like/longtime client: “Best regards, Nonny”
And sometimes just “Thanks”, especially for internal e-mails.
eo
Many times I don’t use anything. I will conclude my email with a final sentence that says whatever is appropriate, like “Thanks again for all of your help” or “I’m looking forward to working with you” or even “I’m sure we will be in touch in the near future.” Often times I feel like saying something else beyond that is awkward, so I just wrap things up with my final line and leave my auto email signature at the end.
If it’s an especially formal communication, I usually will add “Sincerely” and then sign my name.
Danae
I hate it when people who are not British sign off with “Cheers.” I acknowledge it is a petty pet peeve :)
I really like “Sincerely,” but I had a partner once tell me he won’t sign letters or e-mails that way because he is frequently not actually sincere!
“Best,” and “Regards,” are good middle grounds, IMHO.
Anonymous
What, we Americans aren’t allowed to cheer? I mean it’s not like we’re signing off “pip pip cheerio” or anything. I think cheers is quite acceptable.
Danae
I’ll reiterate and elaborate that I acknowledge it’s a petty *and irrational* pet peeve of mine. I think it dates to college when the kids who spent six whole months in London on a study abroad came back with all these pretentious affected Britishisms. We don’t pull birds or nick pints in the US :)
Anon
Totally agree on the “Cheers”. But then again, I know loads of people in the UK and many use “Cheers”. I’d find it weird if they signed something “See ya”, but I’m totally fine if that’s used in informal communications in the US.
Nonny
I share your annoyance with “Cheers”, Danae. The biggest part of my annoyance is that North Americans misapply it. In the UK, “cheers” is an informal way to say “thanks”. It is not a greeting.
I have lived and worked in the UK, and not one single professional person that I ever met or dealt with there signed off an e-mail with “Cheers”. If they don’t do it there, then why on earth do it in North America?
MelD
Not sure why “Best” is arrogant. I know a lot of people who use it. I typically just say “Thanks” instead. The reality is that email is more casual than a print document and something like “Sincerely” or “Best regards” just seems to me to be over the top. I think for the type of email you’re mentioning, “Best” seems like a fine sign off.
lostintranslation
Our standard e-mail signature is:
“Non-English Greeting” / “English Greeting”,
lostintranslation
There are obviously variations of the Non-English greeting too, but there is also a *standard* one that appropriate 100% of the time the signature/e-mail leaves the company. I guess English is case-by-case, but maybe I’ll use Sincerely or Kind Regards.
I do NOT find using “Best” to be arrogant in a professional context. It just seems really pretentious when 19 year olds e-mail me things like
“Hello,
I am very.important.misinformed American Undergrad from U of Mediocre and am pleased to inform you that I will be studying abroad at your university next year (I worked at the study abroad office as a mentor). As I am a top Engineering student, please find me the following classes and I would prefer if lectures and classwork were in English. Finally, I will be traveling in my spare time and you need to find me information for Eurailpasses, train discounts, necessary visas etc. etc.
Best,
Annoying Exchange Student”
And then I would always get Linkedin requests from them as a follow up. I don’t care, but that is the long winded explanation for the context that burned me out on the use of “Best.”
Nonny
Lostintranslation – I *love* your letter. I can tell you’ve gotten a lot of those!
Anon
Sounds like you’re more annoyed with the entire message than the sign-off :)
regular poster, venting
My boyfriend, soon-to-be fiance, managed to take BOTH sets of our keys with him to work this morning. His set and my set. I have no apartment key until the property management gets to the office (who knows when that will be) and lends me a spare, so I’m stuck at home. I can’t leave the apartment because I can’t lock it.
How the hell did this happen? Boys put keys IN THEIR PANTS so how could he not notice that there were TWO sets of metal pokey things in his pants pockets. Not to mention my keys are twice as big as his and have a girly keychain. And I left them NEXT TO MY PURSE, in a completely different area of our apartment from where he leaves his wallet, phone, and keys every night. I’m trying not to be a heinous b***h to him right now but @)$*()@!#()!&()!*&!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous
Why can’t he come back and return your keys?
Niko
Yeah, what’s stopping him from returning home to drop your keys off?
BTW, I solved our “which keys are mine?” problem by attaching a comic-con lanyard and a big sparkly rhinestone elephant to my set of keys. No way is DH running off to work with that.
regular poster, venting
Because he takes public transit to work and was already 60 minutes away when we realized it. No use in us BOTH being late to work.
Niko
Ah, of course. Public transportation!
Lyssa
Hehe, my husband did that to me a few weeks ago (actually, he had left one set in his car for some reason, and grabbed the other one). Fortunately, we were just moving in and had separated the apartment keys, so I still had my regular set, so I just left the door unlocked. (We have a very big and curious dog who I figured would scare off any potential intruders- things were fine.)
Kady
Make a 3rd set of keys that you keep at home. I, personally, have yet a 4th set of keys that I keep in my makeup bag, just in case (as I am apt to do) I forget my keys at home.